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hello guys,
i am freebitcoins.site owner.
running sucesfully since  6 months but until now i dint got good profits , i hope i have bots i am unable to find them, could you please help me how to find bots and how to find real users

so it might really help me a lot , please help me guys

This topic should help you out:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1211353.0

That thread won't help with bots. All the bot scripts can now bypass everything written in that article. The OP's site? Yeah, offline; he got inundated with bots still, and decided to just take the site offline. It wasn't worth the headache.

And sorry, OP, but if you don't know how to distinguish your own real users from bots, then you'll never run a successful faucet. Hate to tell you the truth, but just telling you how it is, mate.

Prevent bots by implement signup system on your faucet site .
 

Are you using any captcha?

I guess if someone really want to be successful in that faucet job, have to learn or know webmaster skills very well. Also owner have to know that how a bot can bypass the security systems. So after all these they can block these bots.  ::)

First look if there is someone with tons of refferals because bots is too using refferals links so they earn x2 with one Captcha.
Then change captchas like funcaptcha.
When Claiming use 2-3 captchas and second or third Captcha make pop up with javascript because some proxys disable javascript. And maybe put some anti bot script found there on forum, try to use search button. ;)

bots don't stop.
it use differnt script.
and steall our faucet..
very bad for us.

Thing is, funcaptcha now charges a very high price for their services, so users can't use it anymore. The antibot scripts do work, however users do not like them as much, but if necessary, use them to prevent bots.

try to banning IP them. .
Check who's the bot from your cpanel or your analityc, whre's ip bot.
then denny thats bot ip on your httacces

Thats too much work.

Bot can change IP in no time.

they can easily change their ips by only resetting their modems, or there are so many services they can get so many different ips.

Generally, bot owners pay for proxies, so blocking their proxies forces them to spend more money to buy more proxies, and reconfiguring their bots, which can discourage them. While it is easy to get new ips, blocking suspicious bot ips does work.

how we can find if people use proxy or not?
or we can detect from their IPs ? and what site to detect it?

 There will be always fight between Bots and webmaster every side want to wan this.

If you want an easy solution, pay 1000$USD per month to funcaptcha.

There is no free lunch.

Funcaptcha is no better than other captchas. Tested it and I can confirm that if you trust my word, but can't get screenshots of old data anymore to prove that, but you don't have to trust my word, I don't care.

The reason why is because Funcaptcha is the best to prevent bots, but some bot owners hire real people to solve captchas for them, so funcaptcha won't help if there are real humans solving the captcha, it will just make it easier for them.

Implement a script that prevents a user from claiming your faucet if the IP of the user was recently used to claim your faucet already in the last 24/48/72/whatever hours.

Yes, I understand. I have tested ReCaptcha, FunCaptcha and SolveMedia, none of them did not helped against bots enough, or not any tricks told at this forum (Anti-Bot links, proxy block or http access block). Bitcoin faucets had very aggressive bots and altcoin faucets had over 50% bot traffic I believe.

Do email registration prevent bots?

What is a proved method that stop bots?

Sadly, there is no method to stop bots. Xapo emails would be good, because those need to be verified by phone number, but for just single faucet claim that is too much to asked of course. Faucet games is other thing too, but thats not exatly same thing as faucet anymore.

Ok. Maybe some faucets can identify bots manually or semi-automaticly, but those wont share their scripts for free.

when i check my faucet there is some address with many referal and it look like they claim it consecutive , is that they're really human or just 1 man with bot?

It depends, is your faucet on faucet rotators with high traffic?

If so, the referrals might be from the owners of their rotators; many users use their rotators, so they get a lot of referral commission.

You can check where your traffic comes from with google analytics.

my faucet only single faucet and i'm not put google analytics yet
but when i check on cpanel i found that is too many IPs with 114.XXX.XXX only different in last number
 

That's weird, can you check their addresses? Google analytics is the best way to check out your problem and installation is easy, you should go install it for your website.

If you want to be completely safe, ban those ips. However, you may drive away traffic.

Please provide full addresses or give us the IP address like this 123.456.789.*

Thanks.

Friend put some IP complete to be able to check
 

Yeah, implement a script that detected a user IP behind tor,proxy etc.. 

do you resolve your problem?
i have bot attack too..
i think need use first page with only captcha.. after loading faucet.
what think?

Having several pages to go through before claim helps againsts bots, but dont stop them completely.

Having the same faucet as everyone else is asking the bots to attack you.

Im developing small plugins to make it harder for bots to collect. If you use several small deterrents to bots, they will ignore you and go after the Faucets that use open source faucets.

Would you pay 10$USD for a plugin to stop bots? Not forever, if someone is out to attack your faucet, they will succeed, but who hates you enough? Most bot owners will just ignore you and go to other faucets.

I am not 100% sure about that. I think many bot owners don't even manually check what faucets they are attacking.

Thats my point. If they need to work to defeat your faucet security, they just move on, to the next target.

do you have proof?
i need review to your plugin.
thanks

OP has PM'ed me regarding the concept of his plugin, and in theory, I think it can and will work well. However, it may make it harder for users to claim. Try PM'ing OP for a copy, I think he is willing to sell it for $10 USD in bitcoin.

OP, I think maybe you should give away some vouch copies to high ranking members who are interested to prove that it works. Good luck selling your plugin!

1. Require registration with email confirmation.
2. Add a captcha.
3. Block proxy access to your faucet.
4. Implement another form of income even if they do use a bot you still get money. Like shorte.st or adf.ly
5. Block Tor access to your faucet.

There are many ways to prevent bots from using your site, just have to be creative

ok.
how block Tor?
i don't know..
it's really?

whats your faucet and what faucet script are you using?

Thanks,
I blocked all proxies and tor and users who use it.
i wait some days and check it result

Who's owner of freebitcoins.site?

I don't know..
I am interested, what you want from owner?

I use faucetbox script..
i need help.

Which one of you the owner of freebitcoins.site. you or sandy95?

is not my faucet.

my faucet http://ninja7.xyz

Here's how you block tor according to this guide: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1200700.0)

What I would suggest is to protect your site from iframe. Most of the time bots are programmed to use iframe. In this case, when someone iframed your website, it will deny the request.

If you do not allow iframes, you will no longer be able to be displayed in rotators. Rotators are also a great way to get known, but can often add to shitty traffic quality. Think about this before you decide to just block iframe access.

OK.
I know that rotator add shitty traffic with bot.
I will use iframe code.
best resolve problem

No, bots don't use rotators much, but the traffic is shitty because people just visit your site to claim and continue on. But it's almost a necessity to get your name out there. Every popular faucet allows for rotators because they know that over 50% of their new faucet users come from rotators.

ok.
i think need use "click links not bot".
do you know how aplly it?
or do you have code?

Are you implying that there is good quality traffic to a Faucet?

Not sure I understand your question. Are you talking about from rotators? I find a good number of the faucets I claim on from rotators. I believe i am absolutely good quality traffic.

You just said that rotators bring "shitty traffic quality". 

First, lest define quality traffic for a faucet:

1.- Real User

2.- IP that has not clicked the ads of the faucet ad network. So they can click in the faucet, and bring money.

Shitty Traffic, for me is

1.- Bots, iMacros

2.- IP that has seen every network ad, and never clicks.

I do get why a Rotator bring shitty quality traffic.

Well, I said that rotators often bring shitty quality traffic. That's not always the case, as I learn about a lot of faucets I never would have learned about if it weren't for rotators. But generally speaking, to have a visitor visit your site for seconds at a time, and make just a quick hit and run off of your faucet.. Yeah, that's pretty bad traffic quality.

But I do feel that there are plenty of faucets that receive good traffic! faucetgame.com is one of the best in the industry, and I'm willing to stake my reputation on that. And the 10-min claim sites are great because they keep the traffic on-site for a lot of their users. Which means the site gets an AMAZING time-on-site stat from those users.

I do believe that faucets, if designed correctly, can easily get good traffic. But my argument was that the faucets that get good traffic aren't going to be the ones that would fit into rotators very well. Most rotator traffic is pretty shitty lol.

every day born new bots.. and can't catch this.
need create trap for faucet bots

I thought about creating a faucet, but the bot problem stopped me from doing so.
Does anybody know how exactly they bypass the captchas?
I mean, do they solve the task, or do they just submit a few lines of code, some kinde of general key?

need creating custom php code.
and this stop bots.
but i not coder

What I have personally noticed in last few weeks

I have been running a faucet for last few months, and have noticed many Strange things in the last few weeks from coins going down at a rate of 30 people claiming and only 3 showing on analytics.

Bots usually just brute force CAPTCHAS and if your monetising from your CAPTCHAS your CPM will drop to basically nothing because of the high fail rate. If you look at impressions on solvemedia and see a big red band on the chart much greater than the green solve its a sure sign of bot activity. Also ad revenue becomes worthless.

I think we need to come up with a way to stop multiple failed CAPTCHA attempts. I have noticed that in my case the higher the bot activity the longer the sessions show in analytics


EDIT: I think I have found a way around this for now at least, only time will tell. If it continues working I will be sure to share if anyone is interested

Agree with you but this needs good dev to code script against bots. BTW bots devs update they code every day.

Bots that use a real person to solve aren't so much the problem as it doesn't ruin income from the ads within the CAPTCHAS, it's the high fail rate is what kills income. It must be simple enough to limit how many CAPTCHAS can be obtained and failed before it triggers a IP ban or something. I'm no coder but something like. If CAPTCHA failed or requested more than 3 times add ip to bad list. Or when 3k audio CAPTCHAS get requested and a GB of data of every few hours lol.

Has anyone had any experience with Incapsula? It works ok but getting mod_remoteip to work properly is a pain. Otherwise some users share the same timer

 In my opinion CloudFlare is much better than Incapsula.

I think I have found a way that works at least at the moment, I will share but want to test it for few days just to see how it turns out. I based this off my log files if anyone has similar results it should work for you too

I'm interested in this.what is your faucet script?

FaucetBox ready made script and it works a treat for bot traffic lol.

My idea was originally to use Fail2Ban and a custom filter to search logs on my server to limit POST requests within short time frames, it worked to a degree, within a few hours several hundred IPs were banned all similar IPs (thought that was a bit easy) Then incame more IP ranges each IP submitting less often. As it's a POST requests server doesn't log info maybe ModSecurity can be used to look in to the POST requests further  ;)

Something is definitely up

Or you can modify your script to show all the claims (aka POST requests) that were made. ;)

Thank you for the idea I use solve media and I will implement this idea. If user fails three times in a short span one can fire the timeout cooldown.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1448604

Mmm?

Thanks for that ;D... I will give it a go. i want to try and find a way to navigate people off the page after a POST request after they have claimed if it is at all possible, just to limit any false bans back button refresh etc. Would definitely be nice to see that huge red mountain engulfing the green solve rate go down if not disappear. 18 solves 120k impressions eCPM <0.01

Now about to lose what sanity I have left looking through my newly acquired log files. Would be awesome to stop them at system level. Faucet is down by the way. Bots aren't bothered and I'm genuinely sorry to the 2 or so genuine users that will most likely never see this post