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The Greek government is bracing itself for violence ahead of the European Union implementing a landmark deal that, from Monday, will see Syrian refugees and migrants being deported back to Turkey en masse.

Rioting and rebellion by thousands of entrapped refugees across Greece has triggered mounting fears in Athens over the practicality of enforcing an agreement already marred by growing concerns over its legality. Islands have become flashpoints, with as many as 800 people breaking out of a detention centre on Chios on Friday.

“We are expecting violence. People in despair tend to be violent,” the leftist-led government’s migration spokesman, Giorgos Kyritsis, told the Observer. “The whole philosophy of the deal is to deter human trafficking [into Europe] from the Turkish coast, but it is going to be difficult and we are trying to use a soft approach. These are people have fled war. They are not criminals.”

Barely 24 hours ahead of the pact coming into force, it emerged that Frontex, the EU border agency, had not dispatched the appropriate personnel to oversee the operation. Eight Frontex boats will transport men, women and children, who are detained on Greek islands and have been selected for deportation, back across the Aegean following fast-track asylum hearings. But of the 2,300 officials the EU has promised to send Greece only 200 have so far arrived, Kyritsis admitted.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/02/greece-violence-refugees-riot-forced-return-to-turkey

This smells funny,it does little to slow down the refugee issue and will cause disruption in Turkey that they really can not afford right now.
I know they are doing this to be in the EU but it seems like the EU is gambling that Turkey some how falls apart before that happens.
Actually now that I think about that,thats most likely what they think will happen. Do not see them giving Turkey what was agreed to and I also
do not think Turkey can handle the influx. So combine that with the border wars and you know they are going to fall into a interupted state.

Well that kinda sucks for every syrian refugee trying to escape their own bloody war.

If no one takes me in now, then where will they go.. thats pretty sad.

I havent been updating to read the whole syrian situation since theres a whole mess with current presidential candidates going on here in the states..

Fuck Turkey, they are the ones funneling most of them into Europe. You think Greece is more able to handle them? Please. Do unto others.

This. Turkey has been encouraging the refugees to leave, and has extorted $1.3 billion from Europe to take them back. They've taken the money, now they need to take the refugees.

The U.S. and its European vassals are getting busy screwing up Libya again and probably even worse than in 2011 and probably will do their best to destabilize the entire Northern Africa. It´s spring and calmer seas now across the Mediterranean so those NATO screwballs are eager to get the refugee torrent going that route.

The Greeks should pack all these third world barbarians and send them to Berlin. It was Angela Merkel who provoked this huge immigrant influx, as a result of her foolish statements. This evil woman is even worse than Adolph Hitler. The latter destroyed the European Jewry, while the former is hell bent upon destroying the entire European civilization.

Pack all these third world barbarians and send them to USA because USA made the chaos in middle east.

Many of SOBs insult Turkey. Why? Why Turkey didn't hold them. Turkey already has 3 million refugees and provides their all necessity without any support of EU. Some of them go to Europe with hope of better life standards but God damn greece coastal security boats get sank their boats by shooting.

Because Turkey is not sending them back where they came from or to other Arab nations where they share the same culture, instead they send them to Europe and they do not assimilate and try to force locals to assimilate to them, often with violence. Why does Turkey deserve support from Europe? They are doing plenty themselves to create this conflict. Turkey is purposely funneling the migrants to Europe and several countries there do not want the giant influx of migrants regardless of what that traitor to her own people Angela Merkel says. Additionally Turkey has been dealing directly with ISIS and other terrorist groups. There are a lot of people hoping for better life and standards, that doesn't give them a right to come to places with a better life and standard and then crap all over it until it is just as shitty as where they came from. I wish Greece would sink more boats, maybe they would stop flooding in like they are entitled to run rampant all over Europe, disobey the domestic laws and just leech off of welfare programs. Immigration laws exist for a reason, if they didn't the entire world would be one giant shithole. Maybe if more of the migrants were acting like civilized human beings I would have more sympathy for them, but they aren't. Funny how the UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc don't want anything to do with them. I wonder why.

Their intention is very clear. Isn't it? First the GCC and Turkey provoke a civil war in Syria, by providing advanced weaponry to the Islamic State and the Al Nusra. And when Syrian civilians flee the fighting, they divert them to Europe. Two objectives are achieved at the same time. The secular regime of Assad is replaced with an Islamist one dominated by Al Nusra, and Europe is converted to Eurabia.

A union of sovereign nations whose outer border is provided by a subset of those nations cannot stand against an external threat.

The European Union member nations are no longer sovereign. Important decisions such as border control and refugee policy are taken by the authorities in Brussels. Else, the Greeks would have closed their borders and kept the immigrants out of their cities and villages. Here is the paradox. The Muslim immigrants are there in Greece due to the EU policy. And at the same time the EU is refusing to help Greece to resolve this issue.

perfectly agreed, angela merkel is more horrible human being than adolf hitler because she wants to destroy all the european civilizitation and culture by bringing all the refrugees to europe.. we must get rid of her immediately..

http://scd.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/france24_ct_api_bigger_169/article/image/03042016_chios-grece-migrant-afp-m_0.jpg

Migrants waving signs that read “We want freedom” protested on the Greek island of Chios on Sunday, a day before a controversial EU deal that will see hundreds of people deported back to Turkey was due to come into effect.

An estimated 750 people will be sent back to Turkey between Monday and Wednesday as part of the first wave of deportations under the EU deal, Greece’s state news agency ANA reported
.
Under the terms of the much-criticised agreement, all newcomers who arrived in Greece after the March 20 deadline are liable to be deported if they fail to apply for asylum or if their request is rejected.

The demonstration came after hundreds of migrants on Chios tore through a razor fence surrounding their detention centre on Friday, camping out at the port in protest against the planned expulsions.

Clashes also broke out at the site late on Thursday, during which windows were smashed and 10 people were lightly injured, according to a police official.

“They say that they don’t want to go back to Turkey and that they are afraid for their safety after yesterday’s clashes between migrants in the hotspot,” the official said on Friday, using an EU euphemism for what have basically become detention centres.

The tension on Chios has raised fears of further unrest less than 24 hours before the deportations are due to begin. It is also still unclear how and where the operation will take place.

“Planning is in progress,” said George Kyritsis, a Greek government spokesman for the migration crisis.

Turkey’s interior minister, Efkan Ala, was quoted by the pro-government newspaper Aksam as saying 500 people were expected in Turkey from Greece on Monday. Afghans, Iraqis and Pakistanis would be deported to their countries, he said.

Although arrivals have slowed, 514 migrants crossed from Turkey to the Greek islands on Sunday morning. Overall, more than 6,000 have registered since the March deadline.

Source (http://www.france24.com/en/20160403-greece-migrants-protest-chios-against-deportations)

Right now her party is polling less than 35% in Germany (used to be around 45%). But still, it horrifies me that so many of them support Merkel and her party. If she was the head of state of Japan or the United States, by now she would have been impeached and put behind bars for the rest of her life for high treason.

Of course the women and children are always up front for the photo ops, but in reality 3/4 of the migrants are fighting age males, most of which are not even from Syria. The flood of migrants is slowing already... gee what a surprise. Remove incentive to go there and they stop flooding in. What a groundbreaking concept. What is unfortunate about this is that people within Germany and a lot of the EU can not open their mouths about this insane policy of allowing mass immigration without risking being cast as racists or even being being criminally charged under totalitarian PC legislation. That is why I feel it is our responsibility to speak out for our brothers and sisters in Europe from places where we are still allowed a modicum of free speech. They aren't allowed to speak, so we should all be speaking out for them.

I've seen videos on youtube of migrants literally dragging girls to the front and shoving the babies at people, it's pretty disturbing sometimes how much they try to manipulate us when you see the reality of everything from a completely different perspective but I guess this is precisely why I get my information from the internet now, because it offers just that, multiple perspectives.

Can we get some demographic statistics on these refugees? How many women and children and how many males of military age?

First boats returning migrants and refugees from Greece arrive in Turkey


Three boats carrying the first migrants to be deported from Greece to Turkey under an EU deal with Ankara have made the short journey across the Aegean Sea to the Turkish port of Dikili.

Two boats carrying 131 deportees arrived from Lesbos. A third, carrying 66 people, came from the nearby island of Chios.

Under the deal with the EU, Ankara is supposed take back all migrants and refugees who enter Greece illegally, including Syrians, in return for the EU taking in thousands of Syrian refugees directly from Turkey and rewarding it with more money, early visa-free travel and progress in its EU membership negotiations.

Officials from the EU border agency Frontex said the Lesbos boats were carrying mostly Pakistanis who were already being deported to Turkey before the deal’s creation. As such Monday’s deportations are not a true test of whether the agreement can stop the flow of mainly Syrians, Afghans and Iraqis to Greece.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/04/first-moves-to-deport-refugees-from-greece-to-turkey-underway

EU should help them because west brought them chaos. There's good benefit to sell weapons to sides in Syria. They will sell weapons, they will support each side for sustaining chaos there and why they come here! FU!

Religion brought chaos,otherwise the Middle East would not be so easy to manipulate into eating its self.
People would be less likely to attack another area if they felt the people across the way where like them.
So chaos was just ripe for the picking and the correct buttons are pushed to achieve a weakened state.
Do you blame the West or do you blame the Middle East for not seeing through the bullshit?

The ultimate manipulation is religion its self and that is true problem in the Middle East.

Historic blow to human rights? Where was the worldwide concern for human rights.
the question is why Saudi Arabia banned the refugees from entering their borders?

Are you talking to me because I am the last person you quote and I do not see how it connects with what I was saying!
Give it a shot though...


Turkey is looking to join the EU and this is its way into the fray,Saudi Arabia does not need to bow down or cut a deal at this point with any one. That could change but it would be like slitting their own neck to please some one else. Turkey has always been swayed by other Countries to a extent and is playing ball.

Friend, Turkey already, has more than 3 million refugees and it has no responsibility on this chaos. Actually Turkish Government and people have no compliance with them and most of people accepted them as their guests. But when EU tries loading a responsibility on Turkey,  naturally Turkey reacts. Turkish President said that " we have 3 million refugees and we spend 7 billion dollars every year for them and what Europe does? Nothing!  Closes borders and prevents refugees."  If EU is sad of their situation, at the least should support Turkey financialy.

This can't end well, the problem.of refuges should be solved at the roots. Turkey is dealing with refuges 4 or 5 years now and probably has enough. This is also the good situation for Turkey "to force" he Europe to give to them extra money and make additional pressure to enter the EU.

They seem to know very well that the emotional pull is how they are going to achieve their plight and get more of them into Europe and other locations around the world. I still recall at the start when they had a dead kid washing up on the shore and the media blizted us with photos.
The family ended up here in Canada and are now making the campaign into how we are not doing enough for thoses that arrived here.
Most of the people where sponsered by family meaning the family agreed to help them out and be responsible for them but now that they are here they are looking for the government to do something about it.

Germany warns Italy not to send migrants its way | Reuters

Apr 6, 2016 03:46 IST

VIENNA Italy should refrain from sending migrants north towards Austria and Germany or face restrictions on traffic along an important north-south transport corridor, German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said on Tuesday.
Austria, which has mainly acted as a conduit into Germany for migrants who have flocked to Europe since last autumn, also played a leading role in effectively closing the main migrant route into Europe, through the Balkans from Greece.

With warm weather returning to the continent, Austria is preparing for the arrival of more migrants taking another route - travelling up Italy after having crossed the Mediterranean from North African countries such as Libya.
Vienna has said it is preparing to introduce tighter border controls if necessary at the Brenner crossing, an important gateway for goods flowing between Italy and northern European countries such as Germany.

"Italy cannot depend on Brenner always staying open," de Maiziere told ORF television during a visit to Austria to meet his counterparts from other German-speaking countries, adding that Rome could not "as in the past simply guide people north".
Austria has said that tighter controls, such as vehicle checks and crowd-control measures including barriers and a fence like those at its main crossing with Slovenia, will be introduced at Brenner if the number of arrivals requires it.

"We hope that it will not have to be necessary to decide on such matters," de Maiziere told ORF, an Austrian broadcaster. He added, however, that it would also depend on Italy's behaviour.
"That is assuming that the numbers coming to Italy are not too high. That is assuming that Italy fulfils its obligations," he said, adding that he had been briefed on Austria's plans.

An Austrian Interior Ministry spokesman said on Tuesday the number of migrants crossing Austria on their way to Germany had fallen to zero. De Maiziere said recently it had fallen to about 140 a day in March, compared to thousands just a few months ago.
De Maiziere said that if the number of arrivals stayed low, Germany would scrap border controls that have held up traffic and angered many people who travel to Germany from Austria.

"According to the current estimate, if the numbers remain this low, we would not continue border controls beyond May 12," he said, adding that Germany still wanted to be prepared for a possible change in the trend.
(Reporting by Francois Murphy; Editing by James Dalgleish)

http://www.firstpost.com/world/germany-warns-italy-not-to-send-migrants-its-way-reuters-2714596.html

Why should Europe give them the money? Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the other GCC nations provoked the civil war in Syria, by arming various Islamist factions such as the Jabhat Al Nusra, ISIS and the Jaysh al Islam. This in turn created the refugee influx. So it is the responsibility of the GCC nations to take care of the refugees.

From what I have read this is part of the agreement that the EU has made with Turkey to allow Turkey to get into the EU.
From a far it looks like Turkey is branching out into to many proxy wars and its going to drag them into potential issues with Russia all the well trying to figure out the Kurdish,ISIS and other issues. If Turkey is feeling hard done by it should never have agreed to the deal in the first place.
Seems what you are being told is different from what is being told outside Turkey.
I am presuming you are in that area due to the context of your threads,are you in Turkey?

How is this working for Greece economically? Was not long a go they where talking about locked banks with limits and a exodus of young people across Europe. So I can not imagine this is helping matters,unless the Euro zone is some how picking up the tab.

The invasion of these third world barbarians are putting an enormous strain on the Greek government resources. The European Union is not helping out either. They have provided just a few million EUR to the Greek government. Now compare that to the € 20 billion which the Turks are about to get from the EU, for sending the invaders to Europe. 

So crash Turkey and Greece at the same time. Greece already screwed and Turkey stretched thin with all these boder scrimmages.
Think Turkey would wake up from being lead around with a carrot.