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Is Donald Trump a racist or a bigot? Support your position with direct sourced quotes. I am all about free speech, but this thread is about facts, not opinions. Think Trump is racist? Back your assertions up with direct sourced quotes. I expect this to be a short thread.


THREAD RULE: For this thread I am requiring a that any accusations of racism or bigotry against Donald Trump must be supported with direct quotes. Any accusation of racism or bigotry against Donald Trump that does not include a direct sourced quote along with it will be removed. He who claims proves. I will not be judging the content of said quotes as grounds for deletion, but an actual quote from Donald Trump including a linked source must exist to post here if you are going to accuse him of racism or bigotry. EDITORIALS DO NOT COUNT AS DIRECT QUOTES, use a full speech or transcript of a full speech or interview.

What with all the frothing liberal fervor against Donald Trump NOT ONE OF YOU can produce evidence to this effect? I am starting to think these claims just maybe have no basis in reality!

I can't provide anything because he's not a racist or a bigot. Simple.

He never called all Mexicans rapists, he said that a number of ILLEGAL migrants coming over are augmenting crime rates. His temporary ban on Islam is not bigotry. It's when people, whom are apart of Islam, become bigoted by killing Christians. He's just defending us.

Trump will provide an equal opportunity for all - no matter what race, gender, or sexual orientation.

Liberals are just mad at him because for once in their lives they may actually have to work for their money, instead of digging into the trust fund mommy and daddy setup.

Yeah... You do.

Berniebots can't comprehend a simple request like  direct quotes, but want to be in charge of the number one country in the world...


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Lol you can't provide any sources, but that's fine.

He never said rounding them up and shooting any and if he did you will be taking it out of context. Which shows you're too desperate for this.

He never claimed Mexico was sending their rapists and murderers to America. Jeez where do you get your info, CNN? Seriously, he said that a lot of illegal immigrants coming to the States from Mexico were rapists and murderers. Some are also nice people. Look at New Hampshire. Huge heroin problem due to immigration issues. Gang problems in Chicago. Please watch the FULL tape!

With the protestors, Trump supporters were defending themselves because Bernie supporters came in VIOLENTLY attacking Trump supporters. All the Black Lives Matter losers came and tried disrupting things, Trump was only defending his audience while making a simple joke. Oh, and he never said to send them to the hospital. Again, SOURCE!

Well, that apparently wasn't enough because they were all INVALID. Lol do you know how to read, bud? The OP says to source your claims. All that you said was taken out of context! Why not try and source. Or just try again. But probably can't do that either.

Direct quotes, this is not. Try again berniebot

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“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bring crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.”

100% factual. Not a racist quote.


First of all "In Mexico there are no black people," Police Claim (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35981727).

Who's the racist again? Mexico.

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Let's have those quotes.

Better, let's have those pictures and the secret recordings of your porn fantasies.

Oh....wait....

There aren't any?

What the OP is asking is impossible to find. $560M+ and counting by the GOP to stop him already. They found nothing on him that was racist or bigoted.



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Trump is not a racist nor a bigot he is just a Joke.

I'm good with asking for actual proof of allegations.

Seems reasonable.

You know, I am for Trump, but if one were not, there are certainly enough things one might complain about without having to lie.

Exactly. Plenty. But nothing sticks. They need to lie. Even that does not work. They need to cheat. They need to be lazy so they ask people to work for them and do research for them. Those berniebots are sad.

Again, this thread is asking for the impossible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F33n_rAXBHA

Sadly, the more muslims like him tell the truth, the bigger the target on their back becomes, making TRUMP's point... on target. (sorry for the pun)

Opposition of what? Reading comprehension?

I deleted your posts because you can't follow simple instructions. Post a quote with a direct source and it will stay. If not, I guess you are just shit out of luck.

Only a Trump supporter would shut down the opposition...   ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ50XmALd54

No, you didn't. Neither did he. Either you were missing the quote or the source. No one is buying your bullshit. Most of the previous deleted comments are still quoted above so your lies are obvious for all to see.

... And that is why, ladies and gentlemen, a berniebot is a berniebot  is a berniebot is about obfuscations is about obfuscations is about obfuscations is a berniebot...

No Direct quotes yet. That's the only fact you need to remember when going through all the misdirection by the robot.

This thread is about facts, not your opinion. Furthermore you are incapable of debating me anyway, so no loss there.

If you only actually quoted and directly sourced the information you cite as proof of Donald Trump's racism/bigotry it would still be here. Maybe do that instead of blubbering some more. Go back to your safe space. Any further posts from you without a directly sourced quote will be deleted. I am not going to keep indulging your idiocy. Have a regressive day.

NOTE: I didn't delete his last few posts, he did. I don't know if this is a pathetic attempt at trying to cry censorship or what but it is sad.

For the record I didn't delete any of my posts, I posted a direct quote from the Trumpmeister (as requested in the OP) yet you still feel the need silence criticism of your wannabe mullet-in-chief. This isn't Fox News, you can't just cut the mic when someone says something you disagree with.

No, I deleted your post because you didn't directly source it. It is not my fault if you can't follow simple directions. Try again with a post that has a directly sourced quote (ie a whole speech or transcript not editorials) and it will stay. Weird that you would suggest I am a FOX news watcher, one because it is retarded, but two because FOX has been pretty famously hostile to Trump from the get go. I suppose you are just a fan of senseless cliches and memes.

Maybe the forum fairy deleted my last posts.....

You know as well as I do, that quote was made by Trump, it wasn't misconstrued nor taken out of context. I didn't provide a link as you keep changing the goal posts in the OP.

Not to worry, the next quote with be sourced straight from his voicebox.

Are you blind? I told you I deleted them. There were no changing goal posts, the very first OP had the requirements of a directly sourced quote, I added more detail for people with reading comprehension problems such as yourself. I am trying to be fair, I know you have trouble with simple directions, so I thought I would ad some advice to clarify what you clearly aren't comprehending in simple English. I look forward to your directly sourced quote.

Well I will show an actual quote.  Here is Trump agreeing with phrased and calculated stuff from Chris Matthews about should women be punished if they have an abortion.  A view which shortly after, when he saw how the spin machine was working the answer, he reversed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHG2n8buInE

So you have (1) and actual quote.  (2) a bunch of media spin on an inflammatory rhetoric primed by Chris Matthews (3) Trump correcting his statement.

You need to include the actual quote, not just the source. Otherwise how will anyone know exactly what you are referring to? Also that source is editorial, not the complete interview or speech. It is way to easy to selectively edit content and take it out of context removing further detail and nuances of the original statement. The point of this exercise is to clarify these accusations against Trump, using editorials as sources defeats that purpose.

Will revise.  Although I thought the editorial did a fairly good job of clarifying what happened.

That is your opinion though (not that I disagree), but opinions are what I am trying to extract from this discourse so facts can be clearly pointed out and examined.

Do you realize anyone finding racist, bigoted direct quotes now could have saved the anti TRUMP machine  $560M+? If I had such quote I would go straight to the anti TRUMP machine and make a deal, but not post it here in this thread, for free...

The Holy Grail of direct quotes...

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Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me, that was very kind of you.

Trump has said (and done) a lot of stupid things over the years, there are entire lists of retarded quotes (maybe you could help again and google them for me).

I've noticed one thing. People have a hard time with simple things. Is direct quote not two English words? And there are people trying to argue over it lol

 I hope they don't vote.

This thread is two pages long already, and is responsible for creating another thread with the same subject, from somebody with reading comprehension problems.

Yet no direct quotes from TRUMP that Donald Trump A Racist or a Bigot on any of them...

Strange world.

He took my advice and ran back to his safe space rather than engage in any factually based debate.

https://youtu.be/RqQn2ADZE1A?t=137


Man googling must be REALLY hard.

You can't even be consistent within your own statements.

He-he its like this article was made for this thread point for the feminists :P
Also too many pictures so gonna just link it checking sourcing it looks ok but doesn't hurt if someone feels like fact checking.
http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/donald-trump-sexist-comments-real-women/1452355
Hmm hard to hear the whole interview on these well if we can accept snippets this passes if not then failed well at least each pic was individually link sourced.

The bussfeed does 4mins though it works but its normal guy talk about who you would F*** if you could.
Howard Stern: Do you think Donald Pleasures himself can I feel your breast please I meant Donald (U.U If this was what has Howard Stern Said)
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/donald-trump-said-a-lot-of-gross-things-about-women-on-howar#.qc8VOqLW5y

That said my favorite one was this pic She passes (lol had to write that)
https://cdn29.elitedaily.com/content/uploads/2016/04/11113450/Elite-Daily-Celine-Rahman-Sexist-Trump-Quote-11.jpg

Reading comprehension problems abound.

That's the entire point of this thread. You all want to regurgitate these editorials with sensationalized opinion pieces attached WITHOUT FACT CHECKING. It is more than lazy it is disingenuous. What makes you think you have the right to post shit then demand EVERYONE ELSE fact check. That is NOT HOW DEBATE WORKS.

Now you demand to not even be on topic... you are going in the wrong direction. Still no quotes there.

Okay, here is one I submit for discussion purposes.  I don't know if it is true or a lie (neither do I care.)  But it appears to be sourced.

"There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell -- I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees." –Donald Trump, encouraging violence at his rallies, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Feb. 1, 2016

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/Donald-Trump/a/Donald-Trump-Quotes.htm

So the racist/bigoted part of that statement is? All anyone is proving to me here is none of you know how to read.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr2SLCnJWBw

I'm pro trump.  FYI.

But the statement has been latched on by "anti-Trumpers" who claim he "incites riots."

I'm sure you are, but the whole point of this thread was to cut out all the other pointless bickering, opinions, sensationalism, and other bullshit to directly focus on the alleged facts behind his supposed racism. It is frankly depressingly pathetic how little people here are able to comprehend what they read and focus on a single topic. This is of course why I created this thread so that people can't just come in and "yell louder" without having any actual content. Instead they just cry and cry as if I have stolen something from them by "censoring" them in one thread where I DARE to set very basic rules of conduct while the leftist model almost completely consists of rabid screaming and mobbing, dictating to others what they can and can not say, and denying their opposition the ability to even speak. After all if they had to actually engage in a debate they would lose because all of their ideologies are based on emotions, not facts. They inherently know on some subconscious level that it can't withstand careful scrutiny, hence the constant winging about their status of "victim-hood" and shifting between side topics constantly changing the goal posts to stay one step ahead of factual debate. By injecting other topics into this, you just give them more escape routes to avoid debate when they get cornered and are forced to confront their own conflicting ideas and hypocrisy. Not that it matters though because they have all run away to their "safe space" where they can do all these things freely without having to adhere to any focused debate.

I'm more pro Trump just felt like satisfying the cause here
Either way it does snippet back to articles problem is you didn't define if it needed to be audio or if points made during an interview were in the clear where no audio existed. Regardless of Full transcript or not, some stuff from the 90's didn't get uploaded to the web.
Can't debate if we don't have a rule set for it.

I already stated in the OP that transcripts were acceptable. Did they not have transcripts in the 90's? So far it seems no one on either side of this debate can provide a non-editorial source, a quote, and stay on topic. The rules are very simple and straightforward. IMO the problem is the lack of ability or will of anyone to discipline their focus for more than 60 seconds rather than the rules being unclear. It is much easier to just have a free for all troll fest that lefty loons thrive off of. After all who wants to have a boring factual debate when there are herps and derps to be had?

I created this thread because people like you are too retarded to engage in an actual debate. Run away back back to your safe space now.

EDIT: The rules were always that you use a direct sourced quote, all I added was detail so borderline illiterates such as yourself would know what I meant by those words.

I agree, anyway the name Moloch sounds like a bad guy from the Lord of the Rings.

If you notice all he ever does is list excuses of why he doesn't have to engage in debate or acknowledge any points in opposition to his own bias, and then accuse you of doing it when you point it out. It is much like the psychology of a 4 year old when you confront them about the cookies they stole out of the cookie jar. "You ate those cookies didn't you?" "NO YOU!"

If you want to be treated like an adult, act like one. Debate me instead of running away like a coward. This thread is about YOU providing evidence to back up YOUR claims, not just some bullshit sensationalized editorial from Huffington Post. Tell me what am I supposed to prove, that Donald Trump is not a racist? My "game" here is proving you, and people like you are incapable of having a legitimate debate which includes REAL sources.

So this isn't trolling but I am trolling? Interesting how those standards are different for you. Additionally no you didn't, you produced editorial 3rd party "sources" which were taken out of context. I explicitly stated the sources had to be direct and unedited. I am sorry if you are incapable of following simple logical standards that are the basis for any source or debate the world over. If you had completed more than a high school level of education you would know how to do this.

You can't even use the quote function let alone provide quotes with a source. Run back to your safe space before you might have to question your ideals. RUN FORREST RUN!

I thought you were done posting here. You can't even follow your own rules. If you'll notice I have quoted everything you said, so no need to crap up the thread with your bullshit two times.

P.S. I don't need to edit your words to make you look stupid, you do a great job of that on your own.

Please don't make it look like my words are Moloch's, he doesn't deserve that much credit.

Okay, okay, and look, this is all like- serious, dude.  It's the eulogy to the fun-eral of that Benie dudester.

This moloch is giving a bad name to that ancient, evil, but original baby burning god. Sad.

How about that.  So my vague memories of the nature of a Moloch were not wrong.  Maybe I remember it from Paradise Lost.  (which is not a training manual for a better, socialist future...)

Since Moloch is too lazy to do his own homework I will do it for him. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and chock it up to laziness and not stupidity or being flat out disingenuous. Either way I am pretty sure he is not interested in the truth, because the truth conflicts with his ideologies.

"I have black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that."

"That line, however, is not directly from Trump. It is found in a 1991 tell-all by a former Trump employee, who alleges in his book that he heard Trump say those words to a black accountant at a Trump-owned establishment, according a 2011 article in the Huffington Post." A former employee who was fired and is trying to sell his book BTW...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fusion-misattributes-racist-quote-to-donald-trump/article/2567872


The irony is so sweet.

Real PER CAPITA homicide rates by race. Liberals have a severe aversion to statistical accuracy such as factoring in population size of the studied demographic. Scroll down for tables.

http://www.columbia.edu/~rs328/Homicide.pdf

...Or is Columbia University racist too? Maybe reality is racist.

Of course not.

P.S. stop speaking for me.

RE: Donald Trump calls for "ban on Muslims"

His ACTUAL words:

“Donald J. Trump, is calling for... now listen...you gotta to listen this one because this is pretty... pretty  heavy stuff and it's common sense and we have to do it. Remember the poll numbers, 25%, 51%, remember the poll numbers. Ok, so remember this, so listen. Donald J. Trump, is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. We have no choice. We have...no...choice. We have...no...choice. According to Pew research among others, there is a great hatred towards Americans, by large segments of the Muslim population.

Most recently, a poll from Center for Security Policy released data showing 25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans... these are people that are here, by the way...people here. 25, not 1%, by the way 1% would be unacceptable. 1% is unacceptable. 25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans, here in the United States is justified as part... think of that…as part of the global jihad. They want to change your religion. I don't think so...I don't think so...I don't think so. Not gonna happen. ...as part of the global jihad, and 51% of those polled agreed that Muslims in America, should have the choice of being governed according to Sharia. You know what Sharia is. 51%. Sharia authorizes...and look, this...I mean...this is...this is terrible.

Sharia authorizes such atrocities as murder against nonbelievers who won't convert, beheadings, and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women. I mean...you look...especially women. Tough stuff, and we have a president that won't even mention the term and you're talking about numbers like this. Mr. Trump stated, without looking at the various polling data, it's obvious to anybody, the hatred is beyond comprehension. Such a big portion. ...where the hatred comes from, and why we'll have to determine, we're gonna have to figure it out. We have to figure it out. We can't live like this. It's gonna get worse and worse. We are going to have more World Trade Centers...it's gonna get worse and worse folks. We can be politically correct and we can be stupid, but its gonna get worse and worse. ...until we are able to determine and understand this problem, and the dangers the threat imposes, our country can not be the victim of horrendous attacks by people who believe only in jihad. These are people who only believe in jihad, they don't want our system. They don't want our system. ...and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. They have no respect for human life.”

Video of the speech: https://youtu.be/1Od9Bdfadvc?t=977



In summary, he is stating that polling data shows that a large percentage of Muslims currently residing in the US openly support violence against Americans and half of the Muslim population supports the implementation of Sharia law. He recognizes this threat is being underestimated by the media and politicians, and because they do not understand the scale of this threat, there should be a moratorium on Muslims entering the US until this threat can be addressed. He never said he wanted to ban all Muslims. Using polling data derived from the Muslim population within the United States itself, he is stating that this sentiment among their population is a threat and needs to be resolved BEFORE there are more attacks, not after, and this insane need to be politically correct is blinding people from seeing the enormity of this threat. These people do not want to integrate. They do not want to live by our laws. They want to impose their own religious laws upon this country. This violates everything we hold important as a secular nation. This is not racism. This is reality.

You've been a big help for this.

Who's  Donald Drumpf?


Still no direct quotes from you, not even in your little copycat thread made out of pure unicorn's dead skin.

 :)

John Oliver did a show about Donald Trump and how his grandfather changed his name to Trump from Drumpf when he immigrated here. He presented this as if it was evidence of Donald Trump being disingenuous even though he was born Donald Trump and had nothing to do with this name change. All the liberal loons watch shows like John Oliver's, Colbert, or The Daily Show where they spoon feed them highly manicured left leaning "factoids" in a show that is more infotainment than educational or news content and then proceed to pretend like they majored in the subject in college because they sat thru a 20 minute video about it.

...aaand this is exactly why I made this self moderated thread so the adults could have a discussion about the facts without it being buried under a mountain of bullshit and bickering from moldlick and his ilk.

Bernie vs Trump, Who is more Violent! (Social Experiment) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeOkybuCXX0