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Explain this shit.

Dude are you simply trolling or are there any point you trying to make with this thread. Bitcoin people are no more greedier than the average Joe and they are on average more

intelligent than the ordinary Joe. For someone to grasp the concept and to talk about Bitcoin on a public forum are already a step up from the average fiat public. You have to

explain in more detail, why you saying.. what you said in your post... to quantify that statement.  ???

What is there to explain? People want to get Bitcoins... This does not mean anyone's greedy neither that people who use Bitcoin are more greedy than people who use exclusively fiat.

Bitcoin represents many things fiat does not. But neither represent greed in its essence, not even fiat

Case in point. Look at what you typed up there. An average 5-year-old has better grasp of grammar, sentence structure & formatting skillz.

Yeah, people want to get $$$ too, do they post shit like this?

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Now replace "bitcoin" with "dollar" & cringe.

It does seem like it, doesn't it? But in fairness, this is a forum devoted to bitcoin, that is to say, to a kind of money (let's not quibble on technicalities). A forum devoted specifically to gold or any other valued commodity/currency might produce a similar focus on get-rich-quick type thinking and apparent greed. I've not visited such forums so I have no way to compare, but perhaps others who have could comment.

Perhaps we could broaden the comparison to message forums for collectible items of any sort. Would we be surprised if many of the threads on such forums were devoted to how-to-get-more of the collectible most efficiently, or persuade others to value the collectible more, or encourage others to participate in schemes and plans relating to profiting with said collectible items?  In this context, I don't think the frequently scammy appearance of this forum is all that surprising, or unusual (though it is unfortunate.)

>A forum devoted specifically to gold
Do you have a link I could check out? Not baiting, honestly want to compare.

>Perhaps we could broaden the comparison to message forums for collectible items of any sort.
Beanie Babies come to mind. Collectibles I know are vintage cars, tube amps (HiFi & guitar) & guitars.
Can honestly say there's no comparison, even though music gear guys are notorious f*ckups. Vintage cars & audio gear isn't even in the same ballpark.
What sort of collectables were you thinking? (a link to a forum would help, if you got one)

BTW, do metals forums have ponzi & gambling sections?

Your post is the case in point. The average teenager can spell the word "skills"  ;D ;D ;D ... I can speak 3 different languages and write two of them.. even if it is a little bit below

par. My spacing is easy on the eyes and unique.. You have to resort to SMS style writing to make up for your lack of skills.  ::) Next time you chose a topic for a new

thread, take some time to come up with something more creative and constructive. Another one to add to my ignore list...  ;D ;D ;D 

the sad thing is that they see bitcoin as a quick buck scheme, and they want those coin to dump for fiat and by cigarette and say to their friend that they made easy money to internet, and bought those cigarette with it...

No brah, you're an embarrassment, your ilk are the reason I'm ashamed to be associated with Bitcoin. English is not my native language either, so zero compassion. If you can't speak English, go and post in your local sub, no need to shit things up for everyone.
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There's a ton of smart people out there that may appear as idiots because they don't speak proper english. I know a guy that is a math and coding wizard but he is russian and when he writes an email he looks exactly like those guys with terrible grammar.

Nah, stupid is stupid, don't blame it on language/cultural differences. If the content worthwhile/interesting, no one would complain about shit grammar. My problem's with idiotic, insipid tripe getting repeated, ad nauseum, in mispunctuated broken fkn English.

Those who posted that are not dumber, but they surely are greedier. They need money, by just posting junk and earning through their signatures. They know that they are posting useless stuff, but they only care about increase in posts, nothing else. ::)

It´s being translated by bots and so comes out like it´s being written by idiots. Maybe those bots will figure out one day that the definitive article is very little used in Russian.

Chilax mate, just ignore the topics you don't like. People have the right to try to say what they want to say. And don't forget that most of them are not native English speakers.

Btw if you'll read through the threads you've posted here you'll find a lot of interesting stuff I'm sure. )

i doubt that they are dumber than ordinary people, some of the sentences are just misstyped or translated into english with the google translator, so that does not mean theyre dumb

though i think they might be greedier than the ones that dont use bitcoin at all because they want to get as much money as possible as they know the price might increase because of the pump

You stumbled into signature spam hell, where people with poor English post similar topics to post in. Most of them come here for the money and not because they actually support bitcoin. Just wait till the whole world has internet access.

The old saying there is a sucker born every minute applies well here.  You have a newer technology like this and people will use it to try to find all those suckers to take advantage of.  Doesn't mean bitcoiners are dumber or greedier that anyone else (in fact most seem to be more intelligent).  You just have an environment that caters to new people who seem dumber to people that have been using bitcoin and the greedy people who try and prey on those new people.

The current translators are garbage but this does bring up a good issue. If you can barely speak English should you be allowed to start threads or post?
There are enough places on the net to cover bitcoin in all other labguages so why post crap in another language!

You're asking a difficult question right here, albeit I could say that it is a good one. Basically, if you take a look at the speculation section for example you will encounter a lot of people that are really desperate for money (the altcoin section is worse, i.e. people that hope for another 'rise' similar to the one with Bitcoin). I can't give you an exact answer, but in any case you should not make a faulty generalization.

It has become horrible indeed. However, there are still some people that are signature campaign participants and make genuine posts.

An average grammar nazi could have found the "ignore" button by now and moved on. You can't possibly expect everyone in the forum to post to your liking. For those special occasions where forum rules are being broken there is also the "Report to moderator". Attacking other forum members doesn't really help your point but shows you being as much a part of the problem as anyone else.

So if you're done trolling what's your point again?

How these posters look at bitcointalk..


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I am still trying to understand your this shit. Why you didn't include your this thread in the above list?Why pointing fingers at others and accussing others of creating a shit thread by creating a shit thread?

You just validated his point and turned everything he said into accuracy.How dumb of you to not understand ? Its not that difficult . Stop attacking him ,why you butthurt ,bro  ?Is your thread included in that shit posters list ?

I am attacking him because he started attacking others.I pointed fingers at him to make him realize that he was doing the same.
And no the list doesn't include any of my thread but should I only speak when it is about me?

What's wrong with pointing out the obvious stuff ? I think he has a valid point,those threads are utterly bullshit and doesn't make any sense.Please have a read through the comments in those threads ,you'll regret your life choices.They don't have any sense of intelligence .

not everyone is here for the money side of things. I am here more because its part of a revolution against the bankers and governments that tax the shit of us so they bomb targets in Syria and Yemen and cause worldwide devastation.  I am here for something different and i understand that the end of paper money is near and i wanna put my cash into something that is real and something that doesnt fuck people over. I think people here are desperate to invest in the next Bitcoin and try and make a quick buck, but it is really if ever like that. 

Unfortunately this isnt an average grammar nazi he is getting paid for being a nazi.

Lets face it most of people are in here to make quick bucks. So, yes greedier but not dumber

A lot of folks on this forum don't speak proper English,  as OP is no doubt aware.   The writing often can be mistaken for retardedness.  And I have no doubt some members here are minors, and that's much the same.

Greedy?  Yep.

Hah. Half of those threads are made by my friend's alts xD it's funny how that guy who's spamming happens to be at the top of the class, but he pre-writes his posts on a notepad document then posts them all when he has time.

Actual legitimate bitcoiners (not bitcointalkers) are smart. They jumped on the hodl train before it takes off.

How about telling him to stop? Those thread are usually very useless and just a pit full of signature spam (i.e. posts that have near zero thought behind them).

So you're saying that the problem is inherent to "bitcointalkers"?

I concur. Sometimes this can be very 'annoying' as one can't even understand the other person at all. This makes one wonder why they even post in the first place.

for sure they are, but they slowly stop posting or visiting this board at all. I would say, that signature campaigns are actually the reason, we we had threads like OP mentioned (and why it seems, that bitcoiners are dumb)

is Staff aware about this? discussions and post quality significantly lost value over years (you can also see a difference, right?) and it is now more than less earning platform for signature whores from third world, where they already have net access...

The staff can't really do anything about it (aside from "hunting" down signature campaign spammers, but this 'fight' has been going on for too long). The administration makes the decisions. I've even attempted to get signature campaign managers punished, but my attempt was obviously not successful. I'm pretty certain that most of the staff members are aware of the problem, the only difference is the stance that these members have towards the problem (some voice their opinion strongly, while others don't).

In some cases 'significantly lost value' is an understatement.

Well, I´m sure that the Einsteins around here have their learned discussions on their special threads. Me, I like it better among the unwashed and dumb masses, especially being one of them myself.

I would say, staff can end this madness in ~15 seconds. just disable signatures (not maybe for whole board for start, but just for some core sections).

ok, maybe you will loose some users, but quality of posts (so whole board) will be improved for sure.

People that are obsessed with discussing the discussion itself probably don´t have that much to discuss. Or so regular common sense would deduce.

you will get paid for this post, right?

Did you read the remaining part of my post?

Even if we could make these changes, we can't do it without approval. In other words, staff members can not do anything about it.

I don't like the word greedier, I prefer the word "wiser". Bitcoin people knows how hard it is to earn money because we've all spent a lot of time in front of our screens. We've seen the hard work of ourselves and that makes a man wiser and wiser.

ahh got it. anyway, it seems, that so called "administration" prefer amount of users / posts over quality > this automatically means, that users generating quality posts leaving over time and only whores remains.

such stupid decision..anyway, thanks for reply, I guess, that we are one same boat on this..

Well, I can't say for sure but I know that several suggestions (in regards to solving/mitigating the problem) have been declined.

Correct, I dislike the current situation as well. If you have any suggestions in mind in order to solve it without banning signature campaigns altogether, please do make a thread about it (@everyone).

That is definitely the wrong word.

To think, all of this started because a newbie user with 16 posts started a thread to insult Bitcoiners on this forum. When I asked what the point was and why this thread was

started the user started with personal insults. When I did not give attention to his insults, he/she turned to PM's. I am not going to entertain this and will continue posting

constructive content in other threads. This is a poor start for a newbie on a forum like this or just a sock puppet account from another older user. Whatever this is.. it is still a

waste of time. { Check his post history... ETH shill and bashing Bitcoiners }

My point is simple: 95% of the posts on this forum are now insipid, illiterate spam.
If I was new to Bitcoin, and came to this forum to learn, I'd assume that bitcoin enthusiasts are fucking greedy morons.
Would further assume that bitcoin enthusiasts are too lazy to read and/or have the attention span of a fruit fly, because the same inane drivel gets repeated, again and again, within the same thread by what appears to be different users.
I would also be lead to believe that most bitcoin enthusiasts are gamblers, because most posts are appended with "bitcoin casino" ads.

Then I would leave & tell my friends to stay the fuck away from Bitcoin.

BTW, not a Grammar Nazi, my own grammar is shit. Have no problem with broken English, it's not my native language.
What I do have trouble with is dumb, vapid trash that's posted in broken English. If I wanted to discredit Bitcoin, that's what I'd do: start asinine posts like
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...and make sure that everything looks like it's typed up by a 5-year-old.
Clearer?


The Einsteins on this forum have been driven away; this forum is unsuitable for lerned, or any, discussions. Only suitable for spamming.
4chan haz tonier discourse. Better grammar, too.

Plausible. Thank your "friend" for making this place what it is.

You think this is funny? How about you report them so something can be done about it? This type of behavior is what is going to spoil it for everyone else and get campaigns banned entirely. I've long said that signature campaigns could actually help improve the post quality here but only if signature campaign managers don't allow shitposters onto their campaigns in the first place and kick any that start off but I'm getting to the point where I'd rather just signatures/campaigns be banned themselves because it would put a stop to all this bullshit in an instant.


Not any more. Banned him for copying and pasting content. He'll probably have alts though or just create a new account or buy one out of his signature earnings and join another campaign so ultimately futile in the end.


If campaigns aren't just banned outright then punishing campaign managers is something that needs to be done and I've suggested this to theymos a couple of times but no response. I know it would work to a good extent because businesses don't want to have their accounts here suspended because their presence is vital to them. I pestered secondstrade for months to do something about their campaign and they did nothing until I left him negative feedback for it then he actually started to deny people for poor posts rather than accept every single person and there has been a noticeable difference but I still don't think he's doing enough. That's where bans should come in. There needs to be repercussions because once campaigns realise they're going to get their accounts banned they will either step up their game, hire someone to do their job for them or just close the campaign.



Sadly true. If we don't try do something about it now it wont be long before the only people posting here are Indonesians and Filipinos with their entire friends and family posting away on ten accounts each all just stating 'we all hope to make profit because bitcoin is good because you can make profit which is nice' (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1408075.msg14282021#msg14282021) over and over again reworded ever so slightly.


Well this is certainly the dilemma isn't it. It's a catch 22 because the quality would obviously instantly improve if we did that and I'm getting to the point where I think it's going to be the only solution to put an end to it, but in doing that it's obvious we'd lose a massive amount of traffic and new users signing up which is kinda priceless to the forum. If campaigns were banned I wouldn't be surprised if the forum became pretty dead and half the people just left (though obviously this would be preferential to those that just want decent discussion). Personally, I think it's about finding a balance but there really needs to be some fear of punishments and people losing their accounts if they take the piss and abuse the system otherwise nothing is going to change.

This makes it sound that you think "half the people" post only because of sig campaigns. Do you really think so?

And if yes - why would it be a bad thing if they stopped posting?

Well obviously I can't put an exact figure on the percentage of people that would leave and can only guesstimate but just look at how many people have signatures on the forum and especially in all those shit threads. Do you think they would be there if they weren't getting paid to post? Ban campaigns and you remove their incentive for posting and the people who are only posting to get paid would leave as they likely have no reason to waste time here so in that respect it would be a good thing. Bad for traffic to the site but certainly good for content. With that being said, there's also probably a lot of 'great' posters that would probably eventually leave too or the amount of time they spend here would decrease significantly over time. I'm all for trying to improve the post quality and discussions but at the same time a dead forum would also be pretty boring. It's just gonna be be a shame to all the quality posters though who just appreciate being able to get a little bitcoin for something they would do anyway and unfortunately it's gonna be the shitters that spoil it for everyone else.

If someone leaves the forum because they're not getting paid... I can't make myself feel any regret about that. Death by drowning in cow manure isn't any more appealing than death by lack of traffic, IF that's really an issue - not convinced about that. Traffic created by shitposters doesn't sound like something worth having.

Perhaps there is a compromise, e.g. kill the fancy signatures for anybody below legendary, or some more sophisticated criteria to weed out shitposters.

Well you could certainly make that argument but if you think about the forum as a business a customer (user) is still a customer and traffic is still traffic. Hits/traffic are vital to websites and the revenue they receive and I would guess that signature campaigns account for half of the new sign ups here so it's a big factor in the continued growth of the forum. I guess you could compare it to someone owning a business such as a bar or a nightclub and you're getting a lot of rowdy undesirables in. They might be annoying and piss all over the toilets and spill beer everywhere but they're still spending (or bringing in) money there at the end of the day. There is also the point about signature campaigns contributing to the bitcoin economy and helping new users get introduced to it and getting their hands on their first coins. Many people are apprehensive or don't have the money to gamble on what is a risky venture and at least people can get to try out bitcoin this way and all for free. It's just a shame these idiots don't appreciate the gift they've been given because they'll sure as hell miss their cash cow once it's gone and regret their behaviour.


I have thought about and have suggested that we consider removing signatures from some of the lower ranks before. If we encourage/force campaign managers to only accept quality posters shitposters would have no where to go unless they significantly improved the quality of their posts. Things can be done but there definitely needs to be some repercussions for people running lazy campaigns.

Those are not "quality posters."
If your girlfriend leaves as soon as you stop paying her for sex, she's not your GF, she's a whore.
If a friend stops talking to you when you stop paying him, he's not really your friend.
If your "quality posters" stop posting once the money dries up, that's the best possible outcome ever.

Unless you're interested in talking with people who are being paid to talk to you, people who tell you shit they know you want to hear, who type up grammatically correct questions in Notepad that they know you'll enjoy answering, etc.

This is not a for-profit site.
The traffic generated by paying people to spam is the kind of traffic commercial websites pay to avoid. That traffic amounts to human DDOS attack.

The problem

The problem is that any non-technical enforcement (e.g. trying to strengthen campaign management vs. removing/reducing signatures) will require more staff effort, create more abuse/loopholes, etc possibly to the point of defeating the traffic benefits.

I'm all for making campaign managers responsible for the crap but how would you enforce it? Allow only approved sig campaigns similar to how banners are auctioned off, and require them to hire proper managers? What if users start wearing rogue "unapproved" sig ads perhaps contracted outside of the forum? Who would even decide what constitutes an ad? E.g. is my sig an ad?

The whole idea if sig ads is just a bizarre concept that's impossible to balance properly. Especially when you consider the massive range of incomes across the world. 0.1 BTC can be either a modest dinner or a monthly income.

Kind of, yes. The 'solution' doesn't have to be some solution that effectively cuts down the spam to near zero. It just has to have a somewhat effect; it doesn't matter whether it will make it harder to run signature campaigns (forcing managers to actually do their 'jobs') or harder to spam

Exactly. This is what is causing my concern. There are already too many completely useless posts for the sake of profit.

I still believe the only way to fully remove the problem of signature campaign abuses is for the moderation team to be stricter (not to say they aren't doing enough currently). While it definitely hurts them slightly, doing things such as leaving negative feedback to the campaign's account won't change anything (e.g secondstrade). I also think that signature campaigns run by bots should be disallowed flat out. It is impossible for a bot to judge a post's quality without relying on some arbitrary figures such as character count. This is essentially an invitation for abuse.

I still don't understand theymos' views on this. Does he not know (which seems unlikely by how much mods have apparently notified him of it)? Does he not care? Is there some sort of magical solution being implemented "soon"?

Forums don't need a lot of members to stay alive; the forum wouldn't die should signature campaigns be banned. I am/have been a member of several online forums with somewhat small communities, and all of these places seemed a lot nicer with such a small but dedicated community behind them. I don't see the loss in traffic as a bad thing whatsoever, and I doubt it will be significant enough to affect the forum financially. IMO it would be akin to filtering water from piss.

Hilarious never said anything about said quality posters no longer posting. He said it would be a shame for quality posters to not "get a little bitcoin for something they would do anyway". While I agree with your comparison, it doesn't make sense in response to what was said.
Perhaps you should check up on your own English comprehension before insulting others for theirs.

My English comprehension is fine. Yours, OTOH, appears lacking. Text from whence your quote was culled:
Added some text effects to help you focus :)

people are as dump as the OP creator , why would you think that bitcoiners and ordinary people are different people. i have seen many people like you in this forum   ;D

*dumb.
DUMB, you illiterate cumwad :)

If you find this very important and want to consider it, then the 'solution' needs to be something that does not completely remove signature campaigns. Making it significantly harder to spam (by some means) would be much better than doing nothing.

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Let's not start insulting each other directly as this will not help anyone.

what i meant here is that ,people start dumping new threads in order to spam ,since he was mentioning ordinary people as greedy and dumb.i was adding what ordinary people can do as the OP creator.

and for @ZyclonRacerX ,i didnt know that you created oxford university you dumber.

@Lauda,hope you are a Niki Lauda fan ;) so am i

You consider all signature campaign participants as shit posters, but allow drivel like this to be posted? How is this in any way or form constructive? Is this a crusade to crucify signature posters and an attempt to divide people on this forum?

I joined this signature campaign, because I support Bitcoin anonymity and this service is one method to accomplish those goals. The payment I receive to accomplish this, is a added bonus.

Signature posters add a lot of value in the form of traffic and content creation for this forum. The campaign managers are responsible to manage this in a responsible manner and signature participants should adhere to the rules. If a participant in these campaigns become a nuisance or a annoyance, and they are deemed to be a Sig spammer, some actions must be taken to deal with this.

This should also be applicable to all other members, not participating in these signature campaigns. Not wearing a paid signature, should not give you a free pass to post drivel and to insult other members.

Before you flame me for this post, consider this : Anything I post in the Meta section, do not qualify for payment as stipulated by the signature campaign rules.      

I don't think that this is the case with OP as he: 1) Isn't part of a signature campaign (no incentive to post); 2) Has not made that many posts in his own thread.

No, I'm not. I was not even aware of that person until recently.

It isn't constructive. Essentially even though 'insults' are technically allowed, they get removed if the post does not add anything to the discussion.

No, but they deserve it.

The payment does not help you accomplish goals, don't justify it (+ Bitcoin isn't anonymous). Anyone who sees their signature campaign as anything other than a bonus for their usual posting is most likely a participant for the wrong reasons.

did you know? so many people who don't wear a signature feel like they're the boss,accusing people doing a shit post even their post aren't even better than the person they're accusing,otherwise i know people who really kind and don't wear a signature attributes

1. I do not "consider all signature campaign participants as shit posters." Nothing I've said should have led you to think otherwise.

2. Bitcoin mixers aid Bitcoin anonymity like ordinary money laundering schemes aids fiat anonymity.

3. Yes, "signature posters" do  "add a lot of value in the form of traffic and content creation for this forum." As would Viagra, porn site spammers & the rest of "valuable" traffic website operators typically pay to avoid.
In other words, the added value is collectively best described as "fucking spam" and, as such, is overwhelmingly negative.

4. "Not wearing a paid signature" does not give me "a free pass to post drivel and to insult other members."
Though it does give me is a right to respond to an illiterate, incoherent douche trying to insult me in broken English. It also gives me "a free pass" to use said account-farming douche to illustrate my point.

5. Your not getting paid to argue for your right to spam this forum [with signature ads] & get paid is curiously meta. Touche!

Except from his foul language, most of his posts are offensive and/or nonsense. You guys need not to argue with ZyclonRacerX anymore as he is banned now. ::)
Link here (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1435993.0)

I just saw the thread though. Just wanna inform you guys who were offended by ZyclonRacerX

I understand your complains, but sometimes even those people are smarter than you think. In any case, can't blame people in places like indonesia or something trying to make some money off sig campaigns. Im glad if Bitcoin is helping them financially, who cares, just ignore the posts tbh.

And this needed to be posted from a sockpuppet account because... Sistine Chapel?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

I did notify the "authorities" of course. This desperate need for attention is why you created the account, isn't it? I'm happy to help the less fortunate among us.

Just another troll in this forum who does not contribute anything at all. He will only create another account if this one gets banned.

Yes they are.

Nice the grammar of the peoples topic titles?

I often see some sad ass pathetic Broken Engrish topic titles.

@OP
Fuck yeah they are greedy fucking retards.
They just don't want to admit it.

And their defense is.. "grammar"
Typical retort usually by little children still in school.

I wasn't offended. I am more offended by the lack of intelligent discussion here. (on bct in general)
I was following that linked thread, it was very informative, including mod input, but now it is deleted?

I commented on spam recently. No reply, no action, no interest.
(was this thread moved from discussion? should it be in meta, it's actually more about the moderation?)
Hilarious?

Seems like they've deleted it. It's better that way though. Zyclon is one of the proofs that some bitcoiners are rude and in need of proper education.

Hey buddy.. FUCK YOU
and who says the internet has to be a polite Tea-Party ?

Fuck your rudeness LOL

Man up and don't be a little pussy whipped PC SJW douche.

https://i.imgur.com/sI7E88w.jpg

I don't wanna say something about this. But apparently this post has made me believe that some bitcoiners are dumber than ordinary people. ::)

In my opinion, Bitcoiners are smarter than ordinary people coz they are involved in such activities like gambling, betting, trading which makes them to use our mind.

Bitcoiners are more than the other subs, so you'll find good people and bad people in here.
My feeling is that Bitcoiners are a bit greedier than ordinary people.
But your image is irrelevant. With the huge amount of account farming around us, pointless threads pop up at an alarming rate. You just caught a good bunch of them.

sorry for resurrecting this thread, but is there any reason, why somebody like me (not a signature whore, just interested in bitcoin) should still visiting this board?

I just checked couple of threads and I really don't know if it is just my view, but is seems now, that MAJORITY of threads/posts are created on purpose for hunting posts and posting non-sense. so...what now?