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Title: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on April 19, 2016, 12:33:07 AM
I'll start with this deleted post that was removed by one of their scam promoters claiming that Bitcoin is going "copy Vcash" by adding an adaptive blocksize. I pointed out that Monero (and previously Bytecoin) had such an adaptive blocksize almost a year before Vcash launched.

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Hey monero guy, how is the monero's blockchain bloat? Lol

Its adaptive blocksize that was launched in early 2014 is doing fine, thank you for asking.


Enjoy this open, neutral forum for discussion of Vcash/Vanillacoin as my gift to you.

Other resources from community members below. No endorsement implied.


Vcash


Welcome to the official community topic of Vcash. This topic is moderated by the Vcash community members.

Vcash is a cryptographic currency that is not a clone of any other project. It is designed to be innovative and forward-thinking. It prevents eavesdropping and censorship, promotes decentralized, energy efficient and fast network transactions by use of irrevocable contracts and provides opt-in client-side anonymity. It has no pre-mine, pre-sale, IPO, ICO or BS.

Specifications:

30.7 million coins.
Variable block time targeting 80-200 seconds.
128 coins per block initially.
Difficulty is retargeted every block.
Blake-256 Proof-of-Work algorithm.
0.7% interest rate by use of energy efficient Proof-of-Stake.
0.0005 coin per kilobyte transaction fee.

Whitepaper:

http://v.cash/papers/vanillacoin.pdf

Wallets:

http://v.cash/wallets.php

Exchanges:

Bittrex: https://www.bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XVC
Poloniex: https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_xvc
RAWX: https://beta.rawx.io/#/markets/BTC:XVC

Projects:

https://github.com/john-connor/

Proof-of-Work Mining/Coin Distribution

http://pool.v.cash/
http://vcash.miningpoolhub.com/
http://xvc.maxminers.net/
http://xvc.suprnova.cc/

Ledger Explorer:
 
https://explorer.v.cash/
https://www.blockexperts.com/xvc/

Developer Announcements:

Development Team ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064326.0

Social:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/vdotcash
Forum: https://v.cash/forum/
https://v.cash/slack/

Disclaimer: This project is considered "beta" and is in an ever-changing state. This said, it moves rapidly and keeping up with the evolution is not easy. The best channel for up-to-date information is through the "official" forums. Anything posted on BCT or elsewhere regarding changes to this project's current state should not be considered unless also confirmed through the "official" forums.

Thank you for your support




I'll add the official threads info here.  Please add this to the front page smooth.   If you really want this to be an unmoderated announcement page you should at least start it off with the appropriate information.

Just created an unofficial Vcash facebook fan group. Click below to join !!!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1835848506633458/


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: bigfryguy on April 19, 2016, 04:05:36 AM
Vcash




Vcash is a cryptographic currency that is not a clone of any other project. It is designed to be innovative and forward-thinking. It prevents eavesdropping and censorship, promotes decentralized, energy efficient and fast network transactions by use of irrevocable contracts and provides opt-in client-side anonymity. It has no pre-mine, pre-sale, IPO, ICO or BS.

Specifications:

30.7 million coins.
Variable block time targeting 80-200 seconds.
128 coins per block initially.
Difficulty is retargeted every block.
Blake-256 Proof-of-Work algorithm.
0.7% interest rate by use of energy efficient Proof-of-Stake.
0.0005 coin per kilobyte transaction fee.

Whitepaper:

http://v.cash/papers/vanillacoin.pdf

Wallets:

http://v.cash/wallets.php

Exchanges:

Bittrex: https://www.bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XVC
Poloniex: https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_xvc
RAWX: https://beta.rawx.io/#/markets/BTC:XVC

Projects:

https://github.com/john-connor/

Proof-of-Work Mining/Coin Distribution

http://pool.v.cash/
http://vcash.miningpoolhub.com/
http://xvc.maxminers.net/
http://xvc.suprnova.cc/

Ledger Explorer:
 
https://explorer.v.cash/
https://www.blockexperts.com/xvc/

Developer Announcements:

Development Team ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064326.0

Social:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/vdotcash
Forum: https://v.cash/forum/
https://v.cash/slack/

Disclaimer: This project is considered "beta" and is in an ever-changing state. This said, it moves rapidly and keeping up with the evolution is not easy. The best channel for up-to-date information is through the "official" forums. Anything posted on BCT or elsewhere regarding changes to this project's current state should not be considered unless also confirmed through the "official" forums.

Thank you for your support
thanks smooth!! not sure if you are doing this as a jest or because you woud like an umoderated discussion...  I will try to post updates as they come about.

here is the latest weekly update/release for Vcash

"Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:39:24 GMT
Support for BIP-0037.
Deployed 0.4.5 RC3 (not sure if I like this, but rewards will halve at block 385k)
Drafted and Integrated RewardV3 Algorithm"
Bug Fixes
 
also RC3 v.5

"has
233 Mb on Win 7 64 bit

..RC2 didn't use more than 300Mb after 3 days or so. RC3 seems to use even a bit less. :cool:
Much better but still room for improvement. One of our engineers rewrote the entire block index structure of the codebase (over 6000 lines) which resulted in 30 MB less overhead and less slow memory growth with each new block. Additionally this resulted in a 300% speedup in the code-base due to the complete lack of object copying, referencing, etc. Hopefully QA will approve and we will deploy it into the next release."

both posts from Vcash forum

hard to call a forum neutral when it is made by an XMR developer, but we will see.



Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on April 19, 2016, 04:18:16 AM
hard to call a forum neutral when it is made by an XMR developer, but we will see.

Since it is not self-moderated I have no more control over it than anybody else (excluding forum mods). The only thing I could do is lock it, which I do not plan to do.





Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: bigfryguy on April 19, 2016, 04:21:36 AM
Smooth, how much resources do most nodes of coins need to run in comparison to VCash?


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on April 19, 2016, 04:32:56 AM
Smooth, how much resources do most nodes of coins need to run in comparison to VCash?

I don't know. Why don't you tell us about how Vcash nodes are different from other coins'  nodes?



Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: bigfryguy on April 19, 2016, 04:39:23 AM
Smooth, how much resources do most nodes of coins need to run in comparison to VCash?

I don't know. Why don't you tell us about how Vcash nodes are different from other coins'  nodes?




you are the OP why dont you tell me.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: TPTB_need_war on April 19, 2016, 11:08:21 AM
The brilliant, anonymous, plagiarist Vcash lead developer:

How does Monero propose to resolve the fact that it's blockchain is growing faster than Moores Law and pruning is so limited?

Human populations don't grow faster than Moore's law. Duh.

Disk arrays scale to anything we can fathom.

The issue is that no block chain consensus can maintain decentralization of validation, not because of scaling problems but because of the fundamental economic reality that not every miner can have an equal share of the hashrate, thus verification costs are not shared equally. The creates an asymmetry where economies-of-scale will maximize profit and grow hashrate the fastest thus centralizing mining.

The solution requires some clever innovation on proof-of-work.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: EmilioMann on April 19, 2016, 11:50:17 AM
Here is the thread without smooth's manipulation and lies:


"First they spreading fud, but now bitcoin core will copy Vcash code"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1441929.0


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on April 19, 2016, 11:58:53 AM
Here is the official thread without smooth's manipulation and lies:


"First they spreading fud, but now bitcoin core will copy Vcash code"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1441929.0

Lies? I posted exactly the message I got from the forum bot when you deleted my post, which was not at all a lie. It was 100% factual.

Good thing is, we don't need to argue about your scammy agenda-driven self-moderation any more, anyone who would like to discuss discuss things can do so here on this nice unmoderated thread. Enjoy!


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: Gillette on April 19, 2016, 03:31:24 PM
Vcash (former VanillaCoin) shut down both unmoderated  threads in Announcement section.

All the treads they open here (Altcoin discussion) are heavily moderated and they delete all critics.

So be very careful with Vcash - former Vanillacoin.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: bitcoin carpenter on April 19, 2016, 03:36:52 PM
XMR dev creates an unmoderated thread about another coin...

XMR shills pile in to prove how shitty bitcointalk has become..

There are already other unmoderated forums that aren't on bitcointalk, and although I would rather discuss things here, you guys really show me why it has moved.


I mean really doesn't the XMR shill army have enough places for them to wag their tongues by now... 

Oh well that's my rant, from now on I'll just come in to add weekly updates.  Have fun running an XMR thread about XVC.




Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: ArticMine on April 19, 2016, 04:54:28 PM
I read Stephen Pair's proposal and it is basically the Cryptonote adaptive blocksize limit in Monero without the penalty function. It relies only on the probability of orphan blocks to set fees. My take is that this will suffer the same fate as a Cryptonote adaptive blocksize limit without a tail emission, such as is the case in Bytecoin. It will fail once the emission runs out, with the hashrate collapsing and the coin becoming insecure  At best one would see the type of cartel that TPTB_need_war  has suggested; however my take is that this kind of cartel would only last for a short time before collapsing. Just witness what is currently happening in the crude oil market.

Edit: https://medium.com/@spair/a-simple-adaptive-block-size-limit-748f7cbcfb75#.muot131pa (https://medium.com/@spair/a-simple-adaptive-block-size-limit-748f7cbcfb75#.muot131pa)


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: TPTB_need_war on April 19, 2016, 05:33:07 PM
Regarding the future of Bitcoin and its Tragedy of the Commons economic design:

At best one would see the type of cartel that TPTB_need_war  has suggested; however my take is that this kind of cartel would only last for a short time before collapsing. Just witness what is currently happening in the crude oil market.

Cartels form in power vacuums. They must align with the greater power vacuums in order to sustain their market inefficiency (top-down control can't anneal maximum fitness). So the only way such a cartel would not fail, would be to become a fiat of the world government and be sustained by the Iron Law on Political Economics (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=984) which is the perennial, inimitable power vacuum.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: bitcoin carpenter on April 19, 2016, 07:07:22 PM
Quote from: r0ach on April 18, 2016, 08:36:11 PM
Wasn't the Bitpay solution the one where there's no negative incentive for continuously inflating the block size over time?  I haven't really spent any time examining any of the adaptive block size proposals, but it's obviously not as simple as just coding up something that sounds logical if you're unable to identify all the various game theory and attack vectors involved.

John's answer

I've never seen a proposal other than mine that had working code. Fixed block sizes "by design" are attack vectors. You cannot keep growing the block size, this does not work as it is nothing more than a "fixed variable" since it only grows. If transaction's grind to a halt you end up with 100 MB blocks that could be targeted. I've solved the problem in a deterministic way that does not break consensus rules and XVC is moving forward with it so we never have to think about it again.  Shocked
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Vcash Chief Architect
Website - Offical ANN


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: TPTB_need_war on April 19, 2016, 07:36:18 PM
The solution to the block size problem has nothing to do with controlling the size of the blocks. It requires a different design where transaction fees trend near to costs but not to costs, thus not making the nodes of the system bankrupt.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: EmilioMann on April 19, 2016, 09:04:38 PM
The solution to the block size problem has nothing to do with controlling the size of the blocks.
blah blah blah shit blah blah


"Blockstream’s Johnny Dilley: We’ll Eventually Have an Adaptive Block Size Solution (From Vcash)" https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/blockstream-s-johnny-dilley-we-ll-eventually-have-an-adaptive-block-size-solution-1460997499?utm_content=buffer36b7c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: ArticMine on April 19, 2016, 09:11:17 PM
The solution to the block size problem has nothing to do with controlling the size of the blocks. It requires a different design where transaction fees trend near to costs but not to costs, thus not making the nodes of the system bankrupt.

This brings us back to the Cryptonote adaptive blocksize limit combined with a tail emission found in Monero where:
1) The cost of mining a block is set by the block subsidy
2) The total amount in fees per block has to rise to a number comparable to, but most of the time smaller, than the block subsidy.



Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on April 19, 2016, 10:17:40 PM
Quote from: r0ach on April 18, 2016, 08:36:11 PM
Wasn't the Bitpay solution the one where there's no negative incentive for continuously inflating the block size over time?  I haven't really spent any time examining any of the adaptive block size proposals, but it's obviously not as simple as just coding up something that sounds logical if you're unable to identify all the various game theory and attack vectors involved.

John's answer

I've never seen a proposal other than mine that had working code

Monero and prior to that Bytecoin has had working dynamic block size code since early 2014. It has been proven in the wild against three at least spam environments, one due to poorly-written pool code and twice against malicious attacks.



Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: EmilioMann on April 19, 2016, 11:01:33 PM
Quote from: r0ach on April 18, 2016, 08:36:11 PM
Wasn't the Bitpay solution the one where there's no negative incentive for continuously inflating the block size over time?  I haven't really spent any time examining any of the adaptive block size proposals, but it's obviously not as simple as just coding up something that sounds logical if you're unable to identify all the various game theory and attack vectors involved.

John's answer

 I've never seen a proposal other than mine that had working code. Fixed block sizes "by design" are attack vectors. You cannot keep growing the block size, this does not work as it is nothing more than a "fixed variable" since it only grows. If transaction's grind to a halt you end up with 100 MB blocks that could be targeted. I've solved the problem in a deterministic way that does not break consensus rules and XVC is moving forward with it so we never have to think about it again.  Shocked
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John Connor
Vcash Chief Architect
Website - Offical ANN
 

Monero and prior to that Bytecoin has had working dynamic block size code since early 2014. It has been proven in the wild against three at least spam environments, one due to poorly-written pool code and twice against malicious attacks.



every body knows that monero copy&paste bytecoin code.
The proof is right here on bitcointalk, just look at the release date of coins

I'd like to remind people that my algorithm(s) for adaptive block size generation are Bitcoin/Peercoin protocol specific. After a year of reviewing the Cryptonote source code I no longer take any of it's derived projects seriously so it does not pertain. To get back on topic, my simple algorithm adapts to traffic influx while simultaneously preventing "arbitrary block size" DoS attacks, lastly it is highly configurable, adaptive yet simple while scaling to ∞ TPS.

Blockstream has no authority to make this wild claim that Bitcoin will ever have an adaptive block sizing solution because they are no authority figure over Bitcoin. Stephen Pair of BitPay came up with a written solution here: https://medium.com/@spair/a-simple-adaptive-block-size-limit-748f7cbcfb75#.pb5cyk56m using a common sense and simple approach but he only touched on the subject and did not produce any code to prove his theory so while possibly good it doesn't help us today. That said, you have a simple and adaptive solution that can be deployed "today" to any Bitcoin or Peercoin based crypto-currency:

https://gist.github.com/john-connor/c1e131771cfcca02ac9e7a14a4f08caf

Peace and Love 8)


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on April 19, 2016, 11:07:12 PM
Quote from: r0ach on April 18, 2016, 08:36:11 PM
Wasn't the Bitpay solution the one where there's no negative incentive for continuously inflating the block size over time?  I haven't really spent any time examining any of the adaptive block size proposals, but it's obviously not as simple as just coding up something that sounds logical if you're unable to identify all the various game theory and attack vectors involved.

John's answer

 I've never seen a proposal other than mine that had working code. Fixed block sizes "by design" are attack vectors. You cannot keep growing the block size, this does not work as it is nothing more than a "fixed variable" since it only grows. If transaction's grind to a halt you end up with 100 MB blocks that could be targeted. I've solved the problem in a deterministic way that does not break consensus rules and XVC is moving forward with it so we never have to think about it again.  Shocked
Report to moderator 
John Connor
Vcash Chief Architect
Website - Offical ANN
 

Monero and prior to that Bytecoin has had working dynamic block size code since early 2014. It has been proven in the wild against three at least spam environments, one due to poorly-written pool code and twice against malicious attacks.



every body knows that monero copy&paste bytecoin code.

Whichever you prefer, debating between BCN and XMR is obviously off topic here. Either way the claim that there is no prior working code is wrong.



Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: TPTB_need_war on April 19, 2016, 11:13:56 PM
This brings us back to the Cryptonote adaptive blocksize limit combined with a tail emission found in Monero where:
1) The cost of mining a block is set by the block subsidy

Correct, meaning the amount of hashrate miners spend will be equal to the block subsidy[1] (where block subsidy will ultimately be Monero's perpetual tail reward which is necessarily a fixed # of coins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.msg14578382#msg14578382)), because (as I pointed out in our prior discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183043.msg13842824#msg13842824)) transaction fees will trend to costs, due to that the median block size MN will trend upwards to match market demand and thus there is no pricing power on transaction fees.

[1] Note this means the tail reward security of Monero will be very weak and insufficient.

2) The total amount in fees per block has to rise to a number comparable to, but most of the time smaller, than the block subsidy.

You wrote that before in our prior discussion:

The reason the above two scenarios do not apply to a Cryptonote coin with a tail emission such a Monero becomes apparent when one considers the economics of the total block reward components of fees and base reward (new coin emission). If the total in fees per block significantly exceed the base reward then it becomes economically attractive for miners to burn coins to the penalty by mining larger blocks. The block size rises until the total fees per block fall below a level where it is uneconomic for the miners to pay the penalty by increasing the blocksize. This level is comparable to the base reward. It is at this point where the need for a tail emission becomes clear, since without the tail emission the total block reward (fee plus base reward) would go to zero.

And it still doesn't make any sense to me. The block size will trend upwards to match transaction demand, because the penalty is driven to 0 as the median block size increases as  miners can justify burning some of the transaction fees to the penalty. That drives the median block size upwards, which drives the penalty to 0 again. The median block size doesn't have any incentive to decrease again, thus transaction fees then fall to costs.

Sorry as I told you before, Monero does not solve the Tragedy of the Commons in Satoshi's design. It does adaptively increase the block size while preventing spam surges.

I doubt John Conner's design has achieved any better, because as I explained at our prior discussion, there is no decentralized solution to that Tragedy of the Commons in the current proof-of-work designs. I have a solution, but it is a very radical change to the proof-of-work design that relies on unprofitable mining by payers.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: EmilioMann on April 19, 2016, 11:27:50 PM
http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q744/EmilioMann/Captura%20de%20Tela%202016-04-18%20as%2019.54.17_zpsbrlsbqvt.png (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/EmilioMann/media/Captura%20de%20Tela%202016-04-18%20as%2019.54.17_zpsbrlsbqvt.png.html)


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: TPTB_need_war on April 19, 2016, 11:32:11 PM

What was your retort to my prior post? I only see a photo with some inconclusive claims.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: EmilioMann on April 20, 2016, 12:56:51 AM

this is just a troll thread, if you really wanna talk about that with John Connor, go to official forum https://v.cash/forum/


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: JamesOng on April 20, 2016, 06:47:13 AM
XMR dev creates an unmoderated thread about another coin...

XMR shills pile in to prove how shitty bitcointalk has become..

There are already other unmoderated forums that aren't on bitcointalk, and although I would rather discuss things here, you guys really show me why it has moved.


I mean really doesn't the XMR shill army have enough places for them to wag their tongues by now... 

Oh well that's my rant, from now on I'll just come in to add weekly updates.  Have fun running an XMR thread about XVC.




the question is why they created an unmoderated thread about Vcash?and i got it now...they know in their deep mind that Vcash is far more superior than Monero,and this thread is all about a place for FUDing Vcash.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: generalizethis on April 20, 2016, 06:48:46 AM
XMR dev creates an unmoderated thread about another coin...

XMR shills pile in to prove how shitty bitcointalk has become..

There are already other unmoderated forums that aren't on bitcointalk, and although I would rather discuss things here, you guys really show me why it has moved.


I mean really doesn't the XMR shill army have enough places for them to wag their tongues by now... 

Oh well that's my rant, from now on I'll just come in to add weekly updates.  Have fun running an XMR thread about XVC.




the question is why they created an unmoderated thread about Vcash?and i got it now...they know in their deep mind that Vcash is far more superior than Monero,and this thread is all about a place for FUDing Vcash.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1430839.msg14472374#msg14472374


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on April 20, 2016, 06:49:32 AM
XMR dev creates an unmoderated thread about another coin...

XMR shills pile in to prove how shitty bitcointalk has become..

There are already other unmoderated forums that aren't on bitcointalk, and although I would rather discuss things here, you guys really show me why it has moved.


I mean really doesn't the XMR shill army have enough places for them to wag their tongues by now... 

Oh well that's my rant, from now on I'll just come in to add weekly updates.  Have fun running an XMR thread about XVC.




the question is why they created an unmoderated thread about Vcash?

For unmoderated discussion. Enjoy.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: generalizethis on April 20, 2016, 06:56:11 AM
XMR dev creates an unmoderated thread about another coin...

XMR shills pile in to prove how shitty bitcointalk has become..

There are already other unmoderated forums that aren't on bitcointalk, and although I would rather discuss things here, you guys really show me why it has moved.


I mean really doesn't the XMR shill army have enough places for them to wag their tongues by now...  

Oh well that's my rant, from now on I'll just come in to add weekly updates.  Have fun running an XMR thread about XVC.




the question is why they created an unmoderated thread about Vcash?

For unmoderated discussion. Enjoy.


The question is now, "Why are they threatened by an unmoderated thread?"

And this is absurd logic as it only accounts for the few that have posted on here about the need for an unmoderated thread, but highlights the absurdity of making "they" claims and making (or intimating) logically fallacies hinged on those claims.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: JamesOng on April 20, 2016, 07:00:05 AM
XMR dev creates an unmoderated thread about another coin...

XMR shills pile in to prove how shitty bitcointalk has become..

There are already other unmoderated forums that aren't on bitcointalk, and although I would rather discuss things here, you guys really show me why it has moved.


I mean really doesn't the XMR shill army have enough places for them to wag their tongues by now...  

Oh well that's my rant, from now on I'll just come in to add weekly updates.  Have fun running an XMR thread about XVC.




the question is why they created an unmoderated thread about Vcash?and i got it now...they know in their deep mind that Vcash is far more superior than Monero,and this thread is all about a place for FUDing Vcash.

For unmoderated discussion. Enjoy.







i smelt your fear and i did enjoy :)


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: generalizethis on April 20, 2016, 07:04:48 AM
First they ignore your unmoderated thread
Then they make fun of your unmoderated thread
Then they fight you unmoderated thread
Then you win


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: bigfryguy on April 20, 2016, 01:27:12 PM
XMR dev creates an unmoderated thread about another coin...

XMR shills pile in to prove how shitty bitcointalk has become..

There are already other unmoderated forums that aren't on bitcointalk, and although I would rather discuss things here, you guys really show me why it has moved.


I mean really doesn't the XMR shill army have enough places for them to wag their tongues by now...  

Oh well that's my rant, from now on I'll just come in to add weekly updates.  Have fun running an XMR thread about XVC.




the question is why they created an unmoderated thread about Vcash?

For unmoderated discussion. Enjoy.


there are other unmoderated places to discuss Vcash, but bitcointalk is the playground of the OP so he needs to have unmoderated discussion here where all his friends can back him up.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on April 20, 2016, 08:18:06 PM
XMR dev creates an unmoderated thread about another coin...

XMR shills pile in to prove how shitty bitcointalk has become..

There are already other unmoderated forums that aren't on bitcointalk, and although I would rather discuss things here, you guys really show me why it has moved.


I mean really doesn't the XMR shill army have enough places for them to wag their tongues by now... 

Oh well that's my rant, from now on I'll just come in to add weekly updates.  Have fun running an XMR thread about XVC.




the question is why they created an unmoderated thread about Vcash?

For unmoderated discussion. Enjoy.


there are other unmoderated places to discuss Vcash,

I'm not aware of any, but in any case, now there is one more.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: TPTB_need_war on April 20, 2016, 08:32:44 PM
I'm not aware of any, but in any case, now there is one more.

Inability to appreciate and take advantage of free advertising is the disease of the incapable, insincere, selfish, and unrighteous.

“Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble YOUR ENEMIES, MAKING THEM A FOOTSTOOL UNDER YOUR FEET” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.msg14599761#msg14599761)



Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: ArticMine on April 20, 2016, 09:41:42 PM
...
Sorry as I told you before, Monero does not solve the Tragedy of the Commons in Satoshi's design. It does adaptively increase the block size while preventing spam surges.

I doubt John Conner's design has achieved any better, because as I explained at our prior discussion, there is no decentralized solution to that Tragedy of the Commons in the current proof-of-work designs. I have a solution, but it is a very radical change to the proof-of-work design that relies on unprofitable mining by payers.

I responded to this in the Monero Technical Discussion thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139756.msg14610651#msg14610651 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139756.msg14610651#msg14610651) I should point out that without a tail emission or something equivalent (for: example demurrage) to secure the coin I would predict that the coin will fail.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: TPTB_need_war on April 20, 2016, 11:44:52 PM
...
Sorry as I told you before, Monero does not solve the Tragedy of the Commons in Satoshi's design. It does adaptively increase the block size while preventing spam surges.

I doubt John Conner's design has achieved any better, because as I explained at our prior discussion, there is no decentralized solution to that Tragedy of the Commons in the current proof-of-work designs. I have a solution, but it is a very radical change to the proof-of-work design that relies on unprofitable mining by payers.

I responded to this in the Monero Technical Discussion thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139756.msg14610651#msg14610651 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1139756.msg14610651#msg14610651) I should point out that without a tail emission or something equivalent (for: example demurrage) to secure the coin I would predict that the coin will fail.

I had also replied here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183043.msg14599452#msg14599452

Note I may or may not be able to follow up more (e.g. in the Monero Technical Discussion thread), depending on my priorities. Eventually we will elucidate this issue fully.


Title: Re: Vcash (former Vanillacoin) unmoderated discussion
Post by: iCEBREAKER on April 29, 2016, 03:49:04 PM
First they ignore your unmoderated thread
Then they make fun of your unmoderated thread
Then they fight your unmoderated thread
Then you win

Then they have epic butthurt and go crazy, ranting nonsense about something called STEEM.

 8)

According to http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/vcash/#charts Vcash volume is drying up.

Time for Traum to move on to his next scam (WAVES).   ;D


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on May 11, 2016, 11:46:43 PM
Interesting info about the Vcash node network:

Quote from: Levole11
Quote from: NakeSLam11
How much nodes exist right now and what amount of vcash is needed to run one?

Currently there are about 340 nodes, 312 of them incentivised.. you needed 10k xvc to run one..


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on May 13, 2016, 10:34:40 AM
EDIT: This reply was deleted from a moderated Vcash discussion thread. It is otherwise unmodified.

Because it is actively getting fudded by the "old boys network". They saw the threat of it and started to shout that he was stealing code, while he made it from the ground up. They never gave any proof, but because the old boys were saying it, people started to believe it. But wat he is done right now is already revolutionary to the whole alt world. And now they are going to implement his code into theirs. How ironic.  

It is incorrect that no one gave proof. The proof is quoted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1151160.msg12128046#msg12128046), including numerous specific code examples, including bugs that were copied along with the original reformatted code, and people with no obvious agenda besides not wanting to see basic disrespect of other people's work calling him out. I don't know what more "proof" than that there could be.

Vcash risks being thrown off exchanges as soon as one of the Bitcoin developers gets annoyed enough with it to have a cease and desist letter written by a lawyer instructing the exchange to stop using the code in violation of the license. Investors then risk holding the bag. But it's all a gamble, for now the Bitcoin devs are ignoring it, and the coin could pump first and you could get out with a profit. Have fun!

It is also certainly false (see above) that he made it "from the ground up". By stating that you are scamming investors who might believe  you and then lose money.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on May 13, 2016, 10:45:34 AM
EDIT: This reply was deleted from a moderated Vcash discussion thread. It is otherwise unmodified.

Ah, there he is, roflmao. Picture is complete. Changed from sockpuppet to your own account bro? You are bringing old news and we don't give a damn about it. You people make the first letter of fud become alive haha

FYI, I have no sock puppet accounts, and have never used any sock puppet accounts.

It isn't "old news" because last I checked, the Vcash code was still violating the Bitcoin license. I haven't checked very recently though, if he has addressed the issue constructively you can let us know, although that still doesn't excuse the false claims about having been written from scratch or that he built it from the ground up.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: sockpuppet1 on May 15, 2016, 07:54:19 AM
The Devastation that man wrecks on himself (in short society is a power vacuum that requires a strong tyrant to beat the men into not defecting from the good of society):

Change the record you're boring

This forum has turned into a circus of lies and ponzi scams speculation:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.msg14853958#msg14853958 (Vcash deleted posts)

Do not expect me to market anything which is "fair" to this audience. They don't want fair.

I am okay with that. Peace. You get yours and I'll get mine. That is the new world order you want.

Collectivism is a power vacuum and the argument is always about who gets to steal for and from whom.

Bernie: "Socialism can be repaired as long as I can be in charge of the stealing to insure it is fair".
Trump: "Stealing can be optimized if I am Dicktator-in-chief"
Clinton: "You'll tolerate my theft (for myself and my cronies) because as a Democrat I'll steal some for you too (and not remind you I funded it all by expanding an egregious future debt on your children's back)"

Stealing (scams, oligarchy, etc) is not the exception, rather it is the norm of human nature. Always will be.

The Lord warned us that this is the nature of man (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+8).

Don't forget the Iron Law of Political Economics (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=984).


Title: Re: Vcash Circle Jerk
Post by: john-connor on May 15, 2016, 09:01:03 AM
XMR dev creates an unmoderated thread about another coin...

XMR shills pile in to prove how shitty bitcointalk has become..

There are already other unmoderated forums that aren't on bitcointalk, and although I would rather discuss things here, you guys really show me why it has moved.

I mean really doesn't the XMR shill army have enough places for them to wag their tongues by now... 

Oh well that's my rant, from now on I'll just come in to add weekly updates.  Have fun running an XMR thread about XVC.

the question is why they created an unmoderated thread about Vcash?and i got it now...they know in their deep mind that Vcash is far more superior than Monero,and this thread is all about a place for FUDing Vcash.
You should rename this the Vcash Masturbation Topic because that's what it is, the usual suspects circle jerking each other off. However, since this thread only exist out of fear these Craptonote Clonejobs have 12 ZeroDay flaws left to be exploited. Piss me off. 8)


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Gillette on May 15, 2016, 09:28:31 AM
Oh, finally Vcash clone dev reacted  ;D


Title: Re: Vcash Circle Jerk
Post by: kahir on May 15, 2016, 09:34:59 AM
XMR dev creates an unmoderated thread about another coin...

XMR shills pile in to prove how shitty bitcointalk has become..

There are already other unmoderated forums that aren't on bitcointalk, and although I would rather discuss things here, you guys really show me why it has moved.

I mean really doesn't the XMR shill army have enough places for them to wag their tongues by now... 

Oh well that's my rant, from now on I'll just come in to add weekly updates.  Have fun running an XMR thread about XVC.

the question is why they created an unmoderated thread about Vcash?and i got it now...they know in their deep mind that Vcash is far more superior than Monero,and this thread is all about a place for FUDing Vcash.
You should rename this the Vcash Masturbation Topic because that's what it is, the usual suspects circle jerking each other off. However, since this thread only exist out of fear these Craptonote Clonejobs have 12 ZeroDay flaws left to be exploited. Piss me off. 8)


woooh cryptographic cyper wars? 


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on May 15, 2016, 10:38:42 AM
Sorry guys, i created a new thread yet another Vcash scamming-and-pumping self-moderated thread

FTFY

Good news is we have this nice unmoderated thread to discuss Vcash, open to everyone without selective deletes.



Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: pseudonymdude on May 15, 2016, 04:51:37 PM
Vcash is the only coin that ISPs can't kill by blocking a specific port and the only coin other than BTC that Poloniex only requires 1 confirmation for.  Even if you don't understand what john's doing, you must have some agenda for attacking the coin with clear innovations when there are so many pointless clones worth more.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on May 15, 2016, 10:21:47 PM
Vcash is the only coin that ISPs can't kill by blocking a specific port and the only coin other than BTC that Poloniex only requires 1 confirmation for.  Even if you don't understand what john's doing, you must have some agenda for attacking the coin with clear innovations when there are so many pointless clones worth more.

I agree using different ports have merit but is this really a big deal? On most coins there are already quite a few nodes that use different ports for whatever reason (running multiple nodes on the same IP address being one of them), meaning in the unlikely case of a global port block, the coin would still work, but a lot of nodes would be (temporarily) cut off. They all have some kind of --port option or preference setting in a GUI, so if ISPs start blocking, wouldn't users just switch to different ports?


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: x1337 on May 16, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
I agree using different ports have merit but is this really a big deal? On most coins there are already quite a few nodes that use different ports for whatever reason (running multiple nodes on the same IP address being one of them), meaning in the unlikely case of a global port block, the coin would still work, but a lot of nodes would be (temporarily) cut off. They all have some kind of --port option or preference setting in a GUI, so if ISPs start blocking, wouldn't users just switch to different ports?


The average Joe shouldn't have to mess with his port configuration, "let the code handle it" to quote the man.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on May 16, 2016, 10:00:42 PM
I agree using different ports have merit but is this really a big deal? On most coins there are already quite a few nodes that use different ports for whatever reason (running multiple nodes on the same IP address being one of them), meaning in the unlikely case of a global port block, the coin would still work, but a lot of nodes would be (temporarily) cut off. They all have some kind of --port option or preference setting in a GUI, so if ISPs start blocking, wouldn't users just switch to different ports?


The average Joe shouldn't have to mess with his port configuration, "let the code handle it" to quote the man.

I agree, but the average Joe is not using crypto today, and won't for some time to come. This seems like a simple change that any coin can make if and when needed. If I recall correctly, Bittorrent used to use a fixed port and when that port started getting blocked, clients changed to a random port. Port blocking didn't kill Bittorrent, so claiming that Vcash is the only coin that ISPs can't kill by blocking a port seems like a bit of hype to me.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: x1337 on May 16, 2016, 10:37:48 PM
This seems like a simple change that any coin can make if and when needed.

Yet they are waiting for the train wreck to come before moving while Vcash is getting ready, scalable and future-proof.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on May 16, 2016, 10:41:17 PM
This seems like a simple change that any coin can make if and when needed.

Yet they are waiting for the train wreck to come before moving while Vcash is getting ready, scalable and future-proof.

You haven't answered how blocking a port is a train wreck. Your node stops working so you either change the port setting or download an update. Did port blocking kill Bittorrent?


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: x1337 on May 16, 2016, 11:10:33 PM
You haven't answered how blocking a port is a train wreck. Your node stops working so you either change the port setting or download an update. Did port blocking kill Bittorrent?


Well you didn't ask, having your network in such a state could be considered a "train wreck", yes. Anyway, the attack didn't kill Bittorrent because devs were reactive and deployed a patch fast, i do believe it is better to address potential issue beforehand.

Sorry but waiting for an issue to arise until you begin to address it is plain laziness.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: bigfryguy on May 25, 2016, 01:04:46 AM

Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:50:19 GMT
Deployed 0.4.5 Final
 

Sun, 01 May 2016 06:30:27 GMT
Implementing thin client (SPV) operation mode (ZeroLedger SPV+).
Preliminary work on Decentralised Governance architecture.
Bug Fixes
 

Sat, 07 May 2016 23:31:31 GMT
Implementing and Testing thin client (SPV) operation mode (ZeroLedger SPV+).
Version 0.4.6 is entering QA stage.
Bug Fixes
 sorry here are the updates from the last month or so...  said i would come back and post these.


Sat, 14 May 2016 18:58:48 GMT
Deployed 0.4.6 Beta
Implementing and Testing thin client (SPV) operation mode (ZeroLedger SPV+).
Bug Fixes
 


New
Sat, 21 May 2016 20:32:24 GMT
Performing Pre-QA cleanup of ZeroLedger implementation.
Bug Fixes
 


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: john-connor on May 25, 2016, 04:53:49 AM
Haters are going to hate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1481494.60  8)


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Gillette on June 09, 2016, 03:37:24 PM
Oh, the scam coin XVC opened another moderated thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1504342.0

Only newbie accounts are promoting it  ;D


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: rickgejr on September 16, 2016, 01:05:04 AM
Was this inquiry ever settled?

Did Vcash (formerly Vanilla) use Bitcoin code, even in part, without indicating that they did so?

Was there ever an audit conducted by an disinterested, independent, public organization?

I mean the Vcash wallet seems to work well and is fast, but is that the only measure here?







Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on September 16, 2016, 01:44:31 AM
Did Vcash (formerly Vanilla) use Bitcoin code, even in part, without indicating that they did so?

It clearly did. Some people care, some don't. Make up your own mind.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: rickgejr on September 16, 2016, 01:59:58 AM
Quote
It clearly did. Some people care, some don't. Make up your own mind.

Are there any independent witnesses of the non-anonymous type?

Credible verification from reliable sources?

Can anyone point me to a good link, legit review from CoinDesk etc.

The many sites I perused just regurgitate the Vcash party line.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on September 16, 2016, 02:05:09 AM
Quote
It clearly did. Some people care, some don't. Make up your own mind.

Are there any independent witnesses of the non-anonymous type?

Credible verification from reliable sources?

Can anyone point me to a good link, legit review from CoinDesk etc.

The many sites I perused just regurgitate the Vcash party line.

Non-anonymous Greg Maxwell (gmaxwell on here) posted about some of it. I think some of the others who likewise posted (including possibly those quoted in the link reachable from my forum trust review of john-connor) may also be non-anonymous. Reliable? Who knows. It seems everyone in crypto is either a hero or a troll depending on who you ask.

I don't know if Coindesk has covered ever Vcash. If they have it quite likely would be a paid submission, and I say this not as a slam on Vcash but because Coindesk generally doesn't cover any of the smaller coins unless they are paid for it. (http://www.coindesk.com/press-release-submission/about/)



Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: rickgejr on September 16, 2016, 02:41:26 AM
With the Greg Maxwell report, plus the deletions by Vcash on other threads and the attitude of John-Connor...

Mind made up.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: bitcoin carpenter on September 17, 2016, 02:46:26 PM
With the Greg Maxwell report, plus the deletions by Vcash on other threads and the attitude of John-Connor...

Mind made up.

I'm always amazed when I come to bitcointalk to check on vcash to find its only smooth sitting in here answerring questions..

You all know that he has been an opponent to vcash from the beginning don't you

Actual announcement thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1504342.0


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: bitcoin carpenter on September 17, 2016, 02:51:23 PM
But that being said the best place to learn about vcash is
https://v.cash/forum/threads/weekly-updates.366/page-2#post-7543

The weekly update thread.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: rickgejr on September 18, 2016, 03:07:55 AM
@bitcoin carpenter:

How can anyone take vcash seriously if we can't discuss it in an un-moderated (uncensored) thread?

Smooth just opened a thread and does not delete posts.

And vcash has allegedly copied code -- violated copyright -- according to Gregory Maxwell (credible witness) and other anonymous users of this forum.

How can anyone trust vcash if they appropriated the hard work of others, even in part, without so much as an admission?

Simply because Poloniex trades in vcash does not legitimize it.

Are there other credible expert public witnesses who can verify that vcash/vanillacoin did not violate copyright/failed to acknowledge that they "borrowed" the code of others?

Simply directing us to censored threads under vcash's direct control is clearly inappropriate, to say the least.

We like the freest speech possible.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: EmilioMann on September 18, 2016, 12:53:08 PM
Just stop responding to these trolls from monero community, please.
They insist that lie for over a year and never change.
"ohhhh XVC has a code of 50 000 lines and about 10 lines are similar to the btc code, my God, run to the hills!"
The monero community is made up of a bunch of trolls and morons, everybody knows it.
XMR was artificially pumped, now is being hard dumped and they need to divert attention to something else
Gmaxuell is a liar sociopath, a scammer, any currency that could threaten the btc as vcash can, he declares a dirty war against it.
Gmaxuel lied about lightning network, which in reality is nothing more than vaporware because it is centralized. Here's the proof: https://i.imgur.com/FCqIBSM.gif
None of these guys can be taken seriously.
Please stop responding to these children and morons.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: rickgejr on September 18, 2016, 01:17:36 PM
@EmlioMann:

Understand that these vcash supporters are repetitive, but you tell a lie long enough and it can carry the weight of truth.
That, and not responding, is losing automatically by default.
It's an ongoing battle.

You will find me in the last "digital" ditch.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: bitcoin carpenter on September 19, 2016, 12:46:57 PM
I have no problem with moderation in announcement sections of bitcointalk.  So often this section is used by full troll/shills drowning out every useful piece of information posted there.

Altcoin discussion is the place for unmoderated threads.

Smooth opened this thread as an avenue for his monero nation to keep repeating their same comments, for the purpose of drowning out John-connor announcements.


The link I posted is just the link to the weekly updates that John is working on or has completed and has nothing to do with moderated/ unmoderated conversations.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: bitcoin carpenter on September 19, 2016, 01:09:30 PM
On a side note to your earlier post, it is laughable to consider this thread as an announcement thread when there is clearly no information about vcash written anywhere in the original post.  Veiling smooth's contempt for John-connor behind some altruistic argument of censorship is ridiculously.   Smooth only created this thread as a way to distract the bitcointalk community.
Maybe he should have called this thread AN UNMODERATED DISCUSSION ABOUT JOHN-CONNOR AND MONERO'S PISSING MATCH....
of which I'm sure smooth and the gang would clearly win being that the monero trolls dominate bitcointalk through shear repetitive will.
Not saying it's a bad strategy when used to create price manipulation and promotion, but in the end I think very few groups have done more to damage the crypto reputation on the whole.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: rickgejr on September 19, 2016, 10:27:45 PM
@ Bitcoin Carpenter:

Does it matter where Vcash is vetted?

In a free speech environment, you may of course chatter and name call, but everyone can see you do it.

John-Connor updates on his/her own censored threads are just that -- censored.

So the question on deck is: when will John-Connor admit or explain how and why Bitcoin code is/was part of Vcash?

Why not just admit it -- if it's true? Admit that he/she used Bitcoin code. Copied it. Stripped away information that could have verified this and failed to indicate such?

I'm not saying the guy isn't a fantastic coder, but he/she could be a fake, just as easily.

And if he is a genius coder, why not dump all Bitcoin Code and make something truly remarkable?

Bitcoin has it's problems. CryptoNote is not perfect. What's next?


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: bitcoin carpenter on September 24, 2016, 05:00:29 PM

Vcash


Welcome to the official community topic of Vcash. This topic is moderated by the Vcash community members.

Vcash is a cryptographic currency that is not a clone of any other project. It is designed to be innovative and forward-thinking. It prevents eavesdropping and censorship, promotes decentralized, energy efficient and fast network transactions by use of irrevocable contracts and provides opt-in client-side anonymity. It has no pre-mine, pre-sale, IPO, ICO or BS.

Specifications:

30.7 million coins.
Variable block time targeting 80-200 seconds.
128 coins per block initially.
Difficulty is retargeted every block.
Blake-256 Proof-of-Work algorithm.
0.7% interest rate by use of energy efficient Proof-of-Stake.
0.0005 coin per kilobyte transaction fee.

Whitepaper:

http://v.cash/papers/vanillacoin.pdf

Wallets:

http://v.cash/wallets.php

Exchanges:

Bittrex: https://www.bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XVC
Poloniex: https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_xvc
RAWX: https://beta.rawx.io/#/markets/BTC:XVC

Projects:

https://github.com/john-connor/

Proof-of-Work Mining/Coin Distribution

http://pool.v.cash/
http://vcash.miningpoolhub.com/
http://xvc.maxminers.net/
http://xvc.suprnova.cc/

Ledger Explorer:
 
https://explorer.v.cash/
https://www.blockexperts.com/xvc/

Developer Announcements:

Development Team ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064326.0

Social:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/vdotcash
Forum: https://v.cash/forum/
https://v.cash/slack/

Disclaimer: This project is considered "beta" and is in an ever-changing state. This said, it moves rapidly and keeping up with the evolution is not easy. The best channel for up-to-date information is through the "official" forums. Anything posted on BCT or elsewhere regarding changes to this project's current state should not be considered unless also confirmed through the "official" forums.

Thank you for your support




I'll add the official threads info here.  Please add this to the front page smooth.   If you really want this to be an unmoderated announcement page you should at least start it off with the appropriate information.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: vnthpttl on November 16, 2016, 11:46:50 AM
Just created an unofficial Vcash facebook fan group. Click below to join !!!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1835848506633458/


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Lord Of The Internet on November 21, 2016, 05:35:01 AM
I have no problem with moderation in announcement sections of bitcointalk.  So often this section is used by full troll/shills drowning out every useful piece of information posted there.

Straight up trolls are bad but so is blatant censorship, which happens in the vcash forum and moderated thread.  posts get deleted unless they are something along the lines of "yay, vcash is the best!!!11!!1   hodl!!!"






Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on November 21, 2016, 06:08:55 AM
Please add this to the front page smooth.

This was done


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ocminer on November 21, 2016, 06:14:08 AM
I have no problem with moderation in announcement sections of bitcointalk.  So often this section is used by full troll/shills drowning out every useful piece of information posted there.

Straight up trolls are bad but so is blatant censorship, which happens in the vcash forum and moderated thread.  posts get deleted unless they are something along the lines of "yay, vcash is the best!!!11!!1   hodl!!!"







There is no criticism or free opinions allowed ;)


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Lord Of The Internet on November 21, 2016, 10:54:19 AM
I have no problem with moderation in announcement sections of bitcointalk.  So often this section is used by full troll/shills drowning out every useful piece of information posted there.

Straight up trolls are bad but so is blatant censorship, which happens in the vcash forum and moderated thread.  posts get deleted unless they are something along the lines of "yay, vcash is the best!!!11!!1   hodl!!!"







There is no criticism or free opinions allowed ;)

a lot of people stay away from vcash for that exact reason.  it's sad because vcash would have a lot of potential otherwise.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: yelllowsin on November 24, 2016, 03:36:53 PM
News about Vcash development  :D

Version 0.5.0 Released (https://v.cash/news.php)

  • HD Keychain's are now used by default for new installations.
  • Added new RPC call "incentive" (see Wiki for more details).
  • Bug Fixes
  • Added ZeroLedger (SPV+) Client binaries to the wallets page.

You can read more about ZeroLedger here (http://coremedia.info/index.php/blockchain-news/item/333-vcash-faster-than-lightning)!

Slack Chat -> https://vcash.slack.com






Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: c4s7or on November 24, 2016, 03:41:05 PM
Strange that the price is falling this much. Now I have to buy some more  :)


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ocminer on November 24, 2016, 08:01:45 PM
As john or some of his sheeps decided to delete my post containing nothing but truth from the other thread, I'm reposting it here:

Quote
Quote
Quote from: q327K091 on Today at 07:32:10 PM
Quote from: ocminer on Today at 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: luksbit on Today at 06:07:13 PM
vcash are you in freefall? sad :(


What comes around, goes around :)


why did you de-list the coin exactly, due to forks? who cares about the attitude , technology matters , if I would care about the attitude I would be in the academia  ::)

btw you run fantastic and honest pools.. yo probably are one of the most important people in the space... very solid! thank you

as far as vcash and network hash it has been transferred and high @ other pool, some taking chance solo, in general I would close an eye on an "attitude" Einstein was known to had one (big ego too but that's like being hidden from history books)

you also were not breaking bank @ocminer.. but you keep your fees low.. despite the fact your server costs can not be that low... thats very decent of you actuallly, overall your pool accounted for close to100% of the network.. which is never good, one of these days one of these coins will catapult to the BTC level.. hopefully.. will be super fun then.. now we kiiind of having fun, cheers

aaand someone is playing big now.. buy order @ 57413.52578572 , 8 BTC (where word big is relative) but for us at the moment is lol

in general if BTC core developers scan vcash c++ codebase for "ideas" above is a bargain


Actually the XVC and former VNL pool was running for a long time, it was running flawless for all that time, I've always migrated to the latest version and xCore etc. helped a lot until one day suddenly it forked and I had to fully resynch to the network - a day after the resync it forked again and a third time the next day again, I always had to reimburse miners because they literally minted hot air while the pool was forked.

While investigating those forks I came to the conclusion that John actually banned/blacklisted the pools main IP and therefore caused the fork for the pool, he later also confirmed it on twitter:


https://i.imgur.com/VkiAPn4.png

https://i.imgur.com/7QIsf8Y.png


As it doesn't make sense fighting against the dev of the coin,the miners are always the losers, I decided to stop and close the pool for good. I was asking myself why the dev wouldn't contact me if the pool really spews invalid blocks. I've confirmed that all my blocks were and are fully valid as I compared them to other blocks (from other pools) on the network. It seems like only some privileged pools are "certified" to operate pools for the coin. However there are some ways to circumvent any ban, it wasn't worth the time then and it surely isn't yet.

I've heard from a miner that even his private pool forked a few days ago, he moved to another IP and it was fine again until this IP was also banned/blacklisted.. It's a hide and seek if you're trying to solo with lots of hash :)


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Bare on November 25, 2016, 12:33:52 AM
who gives a f**k about vcash anymore? sry offtopic but ZEC and ETH all the way!


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: flipme on November 25, 2016, 01:42:03 AM
As john or some of his sheeps decided to delete my post containing nothing but truth from the other thread, I'm reposting it here:

Quote
Quote
Quote from: q327K091 on Today at 07:32:10 PM
Quote from: ocminer on Today at 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: luksbit on Today at 06:07:13 PM
vcash are you in freefall? sad :(


What comes around, goes around :)


why did you de-list the coin exactly, due to forks? who cares about the attitude , technology matters , if I would care about the attitude I would be in the academia  ::)

btw you run fantastic and honest pools.. yo probably are one of the most important people in the space... very solid! thank you

as far as vcash and network hash it has been transferred and high @ other pool, some taking chance solo, in general I would close an eye on an "attitude" Einstein was known to had one (big ego too but that's like being hidden from history books)

you also were not breaking bank @ocminer.. but you keep your fees low.. despite the fact your server costs can not be that low... thats very decent of you actuallly, overall your pool accounted for close to100% of the network.. which is never good, one of these days one of these coins will catapult to the BTC level.. hopefully.. will be super fun then.. now we kiiind of having fun, cheers

aaand someone is playing big now.. buy order @ 57413.52578572 , 8 BTC (where word big is relative) but for us at the moment is lol

in general if BTC core developers scan vcash c++ codebase for "ideas" above is a bargain


Actually the XVC and former VNL pool was running for a long time, it was running flawless for all that time, I've always migrated to the latest version and xCore etc. helped a lot until one day suddenly it forked and I had to fully resynch to the network - a day after the resync it forked again and a third time the next day again, I always had to reimburse miners because they literally minted hot air while the pool was forked.

While investigating those forks I came to the conclusion that John actually banned/blacklisted the pools main IP and therefore caused the fork for the pool, he later also confirmed it on twitter:


https://i.imgur.com/VkiAPn4.png

https://i.imgur.com/7QIsf8Y.png


As it doesn't make sense fighting against the dev of the coin,the miners are always the losers, I decided to stop and close the pool for good. I was asking myself why the dev wouldn't contact me if the pool really spews invalid blocks. I've confirmed that all my blocks were and are fully valid as I compared them to other blocks (from other pools) on the network. It seems like only some privileged pools are "certified" to operate pools for the coin. However there are some ways to circumvent any ban, it wasn't worth the time then and it surely isn't yet.

I've heard from a miner that even his private pool forked a few days ago, he moved to another IP and it was fine again until this IP was also banned/blacklisted.. It's a hide and seek if you're trying to solo with lots of hash :)


I lost coins on your pool.
I think you're a clueless liar.
You were under ddos an just not able to mitigate, thats why you forked over and over again.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: flipme on November 25, 2016, 01:55:31 AM
Welcome to this troll thread.
XVC must be a real threat to a certain group of people, considered the propaganda effort they make and the amount of capital they burn to keep the value low. I hope somebody will make it really expensive for them.
Its full on, Polo Trollbox, BCT, they do all they can to foreclose it.
It reminds me to the Clinton campaign.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ocminer on November 25, 2016, 10:44:19 AM
As john or some of his sheeps decided to delete my post containing nothing but truth from the other thread, I'm reposting it here:

Quote
Quote
Quote from: q327K091 on Today at 07:32:10 PM
Quote from: ocminer on Today at 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: luksbit on Today at 06:07:13 PM
vcash are you in freefall? sad :(


What comes around, goes around :)


why did you de-list the coin exactly, due to forks? who cares about the attitude , technology matters , if I would care about the attitude I would be in the academia  ::)

btw you run fantastic and honest pools.. yo probably are one of the most important people in the space... very solid! thank you

as far as vcash and network hash it has been transferred and high @ other pool, some taking chance solo, in general I would close an eye on an "attitude" Einstein was known to had one (big ego too but that's like being hidden from history books)

you also were not breaking bank @ocminer.. but you keep your fees low.. despite the fact your server costs can not be that low... thats very decent of you actuallly, overall your pool accounted for close to100% of the network.. which is never good, one of these days one of these coins will catapult to the BTC level.. hopefully.. will be super fun then.. now we kiiind of having fun, cheers

aaand someone is playing big now.. buy order @ 57413.52578572 , 8 BTC (where word big is relative) but for us at the moment is lol

in general if BTC core developers scan vcash c++ codebase for "ideas" above is a bargain


Actually the XVC and former VNL pool was running for a long time, it was running flawless for all that time, I've always migrated to the latest version and xCore etc. helped a lot until one day suddenly it forked and I had to fully resynch to the network - a day after the resync it forked again and a third time the next day again, I always had to reimburse miners because they literally minted hot air while the pool was forked.

While investigating those forks I came to the conclusion that John actually banned/blacklisted the pools main IP and therefore caused the fork for the pool, he later also confirmed it on twitter:


https://i.imgur.com/VkiAPn4.png

https://i.imgur.com/7QIsf8Y.png


As it doesn't make sense fighting against the dev of the coin,the miners are always the losers, I decided to stop and close the pool for good. I was asking myself why the dev wouldn't contact me if the pool really spews invalid blocks. I've confirmed that all my blocks were and are fully valid as I compared them to other blocks (from other pools) on the network. It seems like only some privileged pools are "certified" to operate pools for the coin. However there are some ways to circumvent any ban, it wasn't worth the time then and it surely isn't yet.

I've heard from a miner that even his private pool forked a few days ago, he moved to another IP and it was fine again until this IP was also banned/blacklisted.. It's a hide and seek if you're trying to solo with lots of hash :)


I lost coins on your pool.
I think you're a clueless liar.
You were under ddos an just not able to mitigate, thats why you forked over and over again.


Nope, no DDoS, but thanks for your compliment, I wasn't the only one having problems with forking at that time and I'm doing pools since 2013... So I'm usually aware how to run pools and recognize specialized attacks and/or how to mitigate DDoS'es ;) You can btw see in the images from twitter than john confirms he banned my pool node ;)


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: HCLivess on November 25, 2016, 01:41:14 PM
not sure what happened but it's nice shill thread you've got here


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Lord Of The Internet on November 26, 2016, 07:07:27 AM
not sure what happened but it's nice shill thread you've got here

in the moderated thread, i praised vcash's code.  but i had the audacity to make a criticism of john conner so, of course, my posts now get deleted in there.  the vcash forum is even worse.

because john conner acts like he is Kim Jong Crypto, an otherwise promising project doesn't have a chance.  i dumped all my vash the other day and so did many other people for that exact reason.

so take a look at the price over the last few days and tell me ... is your dev's attitude and all the excessive moderation working out for ya?   :-*


you should probably go back to the moderated thread and post something like "OMG cheap coins!!!"  ...  and be sure to kiss conner's ass while you're at it or your post might disappear.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ocminer on November 30, 2016, 10:33:25 PM
John deleted the official vcash forum and now redirects to a different, old forum.

This reminds me of the equinox dev some time ago:

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvZ1yIhd.jpg&t=570&c=hCoy5jjLdaStyQ


And to the guy who is the moderator of the unofficial, moderated xvc thread: When will you finally stop deleting posts in the thread, when will you be man enough to face the truth that John dumped and when will you wake up. You're not better than John by covering his back.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Picketwire on November 30, 2016, 10:50:13 PM
John deleted the official vcash forum and now redirects to a different, old forum.

This reminds me of the equinox dev some time ago:

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvZ1yIhd.jpg&t=570&c=hCoy5jjLdaStyQ


And to the guy who is the moderator of the unofficial, moderated xvc thread: When will you finally stop deleting posts in the thread, when will you be man enough to face the truth that John dumped and when will you wake up. You're not better than John by covering his back.
Are you that naive?  Do you not know that is Emilio Mann using a domain name registered to John Connor?


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ocminer on November 30, 2016, 10:53:33 PM
John deleted the official vcash forum and now redirects to a different, old forum.

This reminds me of the equinox dev some time ago:

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvZ1yIhd.jpg&t=570&c=hCoy5jjLdaStyQ


And to the guy who is the moderator of the unofficial, moderated xvc thread: When will you finally stop deleting posts in the thread, when will you be man enough to face the truth that John dumped and when will you wake up. You're not better than John by covering his back.
Are you that naive?  Do you not know that is Emilio Mann using a domain name registered to John Connor?

Emilio ? Hmm.. I wasn't aware he was actually moderating the thread, I thought he is/was a clever guy.. Ok, thanks for clearing that up.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ocminer on November 30, 2016, 11:40:29 PM
Quoted from other Thread as some people like to "takeover" the coin:

I've thought about this, but it would be necessary to fork away from "his" code into a trusted coinbase setup as he simply could have coded too many "backdoors" into his code.. It was him obviously very easy possible to fork off pools and bigger miners from "his" chain and make "his" chain the valid one, even if the "bad pool" had much more power than him, this should never be possible for any coin.. not with > 51% of the power of the net and of course not with less..

I see lots of problems with the current code.

It would be very important to port XVC to a recent bitcoin/litecoin or even zcash coinbase


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Topo Torres on December 01, 2016, 01:27:46 AM
John deleted the official vcash forum and now redirects to a different, old forum.

This reminds me of the equinox dev some time ago:

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvZ1yIhd.jpg&t=570&c=hCoy5jjLdaStyQ


And to the guy who is the moderator of the unofficial, moderated xvc thread: When will you finally stop deleting posts in the thread, when will you be man enough to face the truth that John dumped and when will you wake up. You're not better than John by covering his back.
Are you that naive?  Do you not know that is Emilio Mann using a domain name registered to John Connor?

EMILIO is JHON ?


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: brownmon on December 01, 2016, 01:54:53 AM
John deleted the official vcash forum and now redirects to a different, old forum.

This reminds me of the equinox dev some time ago:

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvZ1yIhd.jpg&t=570&c=hCoy5jjLdaStyQ


And to the guy who is the moderator of the unofficial, moderated xvc thread: When will you finally stop deleting posts in the thread, when will you be man enough to face the truth that John dumped and when will you wake up. You're not better than John by covering his back.
Are you that naive?  Do you not know that is Emilio Mann using a domain name registered to John Connor?

Who's Emilio Mann?  What domain name is he using, and for what uses?

Is the guy in the photo Emilio Mann?  Or is Emilio Mann the Equinox dev?  Or is Emilio Mann the moderator of the Unofficial XVC thread?


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: laKING on December 01, 2016, 02:13:15 AM

Who's Emilio Mann?  What domain name is he using, and for what uses?

Is the guy in the photo Emilio Mann?  Or is Emilio Mann the Equinox dev?  Or is Emilio Mann the moderator of the Unofficial XVC thread?

Emilio Mann is the moderator of the Unofficial XVC thread


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: brownmon on December 01, 2016, 02:30:08 AM

Who's Emilio Mann?  What domain name is he using, and for what uses?

Is the guy in the photo Emilio Mann?  Or is Emilio Mann the Equinox dev?  Or is Emilio Mann the moderator of the Unofficial XVC thread?

Emilio Mann is the moderator of the Unofficial XVC thread

Why is it important that his name is Emilio Mann?  Does he have a shady history?


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ocminer on December 01, 2016, 09:28:43 AM

Who's Emilio Mann?  What domain name is he using, and for what uses?

Is the guy in the photo Emilio Mann?  Or is Emilio Mann the Equinox dev?  Or is Emilio Mann the moderator of the Unofficial XVC thread?

Emilio Mann is the moderator of the Unofficial XVC thread

Why is it important that his name is Emilio Mann?  Does he have a shady history?

He's involved long term with XVC or former Vanillacoin, I'm just disappointed that he covers John and also deletes normal critcism or legit posts from the "official" thread - people don't get the whole picture if he does that, he's not better than john at all now. I've also PM'ed him directly - no answer.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ocminer on December 01, 2016, 12:28:34 PM
I agree, he'll probably buy back the coins and then suddenly "reappear" and says he found an investor and continue the work.. People will re-buy and in a year -> same shit again.

Here are facts about some more flaws in the code, he can turn them on and off at anytime he likes to:
https://www.reddit.com/r/VanillaCoin/comments/3b25f6/welcome_to_the_uncensored_vanillacoin_subreddit/

Oh and as I've heard some folks were believing Johns claims that my pool was having an issue with an open p2p port - there were NO issues at all with my pool(s) - never. P2P ports are the ports which coins are using to communicate with each other - they are supposed to be open, otherwise you cannot have connections to the network, RPC ports are the ports where commands are sent to the daemons, those remain unexposed.
Also see: https://twitter.com/RNR_0/status/804295519350755328

Also I'd advise NOT to use the moderated threads as most legit / true posts are deleted there. This Thread is unmoderated.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: BitPotus on December 01, 2016, 12:47:08 PM
Who is "John Connor"?

Does anyone actually know?



Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: iCEBREAKER on December 01, 2016, 12:54:21 PM
Mazz admits that Vcash is a "well planned con" and he "doesn't want to have anything to do with it anymore". Well... I have respect for people who have the courage to admit that they were wrong. I hope you'll get to the bottom of it and find the truth.  ;)


https://i.imgsafe.org/dcfe6acdfe.jpg

This is glorious.

All those who were defending John Conner and attacking those of us who were warning others about him just got exactly what they deserve.

The Hillary-level amounts of hubris and nastiness possessing Vcash scam defenders just got BTFO.   :D

Who is "John Connor"?

Does anyone actually know?

Good question.

We're looking for a good coder that's a cranky temperamental druggie and also writes in perfect college level English.

I think John Conner is Wolf0, who repeatedly told us in an ironically strenuous manner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1474951.msg15006833#msg15006833) all about why and how much he didn't care about the issues with Vcash code theft, while simultaneously scolding us for having the temerity to cry fraud when we saw fraud.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ocminer on December 01, 2016, 01:45:16 PM
I've also mentioned the code theft a few days before he closed the forums and left completely and I got threatened via PM by some fanboys..

Surprising community..


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: mrsky on December 01, 2016, 05:15:58 PM
John probably been pressured by some senior bitcoin community criminal.
He's is anon for a reason. Maybe someone got to him and he freaked out?
Maybe he's being threatened? Worst - being held hostage?
Maybe the zeroslot thing pissed off some online casino owners and that's why he panic launched it and got out of sight?
Maybe he's closing a deal with some online casino for the zeroslot and just busy?
Maybe he's coding, listening to Metallica and showing the finger to the world while he continues to build his legacy?

The truth is, like with Satoshi, "it doesn't fucking matter", the code speaks for itself and this coin is not going anywhere.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: rapazev on December 01, 2016, 07:33:24 PM

Who's Emilio Mann?  What domain name is he using, and for what uses?

Is the guy in the photo Emilio Mann?  Or is Emilio Mann the Equinox dev?  Or is Emilio Mann the moderator of the Unofficial XVC thread?

Emilio Mann is the moderator of the Unofficial XVC thread

Why is it important that his name is Emilio Mann?  Does he have a shady history?

as far as i'm aware, emilio mann is just a investor... He supported vcash from the beginning and later he had a "fight" with john connor because of a payment gateway and sell most of hist coins to buy decred.
maybe he is john connor, but i've never seen any proof of that... nothing plausiable.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: EmilioMann on December 01, 2016, 09:49:25 PM
John deleted the official vcash forum and now redirects to a different, old forum.

This reminds me of the equinox dev some time ago:

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvZ1yIhd.jpg&t=570&c=hCoy5jjLdaStyQ


And to the guy who is the moderator of the unofficial, moderated xvc thread: When will you finally stop deleting posts in the thread, when will you be man enough to face the truth that John dumped and when will you wake up. You're not better than John by covering his back.
Are you that naive?  Do you not know that is Emilio Mann using a domain name registered to John Connor?

Emilio ? Hmm.. I wasn't aware he was actually moderating the thread, I thought he is/was a clever guy.. Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

There are 4 people with the password moderating that thread.
I never deleted a post from you.




EMILIO is JHON ?

Nope
I am your father


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ocminer on December 02, 2016, 07:48:07 AM
Posting this here for reference as the "mods" still delete in the original Thread...







Let's see if you now still attack me and tell me how good XVC is...


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: jimlite on December 03, 2016, 09:19:07 PM
Ocminer the coin/code was good. The dev is severely psychologically damaged and not getting help. Its sad and a shame, Vcash could have been the next huge coin with real use. But despite what all the crypto nerds want to believe, a man's character is more important than his code. Because without honesty, communication, and a good character, you can never win over people, make friends, business associates, and make your code into a successful and real project.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Edward Snowden on December 03, 2016, 09:21:11 PM
John deleted the official vcash forum and now redirects to a different, old forum.

This reminds me of the equinox dev some time ago:

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvZ1yIhd.jpg&t=570&c=hCoy5jjLdaStyQ


And to the guy who is the moderator of the unofficial, moderated xvc thread: When will you finally stop deleting posts in the thread, when will you be man enough to face the truth that John dumped and when will you wake up. You're not better than John by covering his back.
Are you that naive?  Do you not know that is Emilio Mann using a domain name registered to John Connor?

Emilio ? Hmm.. I wasn't aware he was actually moderating the thread, I thought he is/was a clever guy.. Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

There are 4 people with the password moderating that thread.
I never deleted a post from you.




EMILIO is JHON ?

Nope
I am your father

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Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: iCEBREAKER on December 03, 2016, 11:12:21 PM
the "mods" still delete in the original Thread...

Aren't they cute, acting like they have dev talent sufficient to replace John Conman?

Isn't it adorable how they can't figure out how to have their "community takeover" cake and eat it too, because the Vcash name is toxic and its codebase is compromised?

After defending John's code theft, etc. now they all suddenly conveniently realize he was a actually a liability all along...

 I can't wait for BadTrash.sx to launch his Definitely Not Vcash ICO.   :D :D :D :D :D




Quote
And Icebreaker, yes I admit I lost a few btc on XVC, but I still hold a little just in case.
I will not change my opinion on the coin and code being good, fast, scaleable, and would make a great
currency for immediate transactions, which is what bitcoin sorely needs.
I will admit, and always have, that John Connors personality (or if a group their personalities) was the only
problem and thing hindering the coin. John went out of his way to make enemies instead of friends, was a
poor communicator, etc. While I think most community take overs or new devs usually don't work out,
if Vcash gets a new good dev that can understand and use the code and further develop it, as well as being
a nice guy and smart enough to get people for marketing and PR, then Vcash could have a good future, but
that is a lot of ifs. Getting rid of Johns toxic behavior may be the best thing for Vcash in the long run.

IOW, you've learned nothing from the Vtrash debacle.

Le Sigh.

Funny how you didn't make your problem with John Conner explicit until it was safe, moot water under the bridge to do so.

The delusional Vtrash community takeover people right now:

https://i.imgur.com/J4RzF5f.jpg


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: jimlite on December 04, 2016, 06:26:59 AM
EVERYONE knew John Connors personality was an issue. It was no secret, and I'm not defending and never did defend his personal traits. I've always said the guy puts out top code but thinks he is Einstein or Steve Jobs. Meaning "Hey I'm a genius coder and the best so I can be an @sshole to everyone like they were."  Well in crypto or any business, you need to have some social skills and be nice to at least the right people at the right time, and he obviously can't do that.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: iCEBREAKER on December 04, 2016, 08:54:30 AM
EVERYONE knew John Connors personality was an issue. It was no secret, and I'm not defending and never did defend his personal traits. I've always said the guy puts out top code but thinks he is Einstein or Steve Jobs. Meaning "Hey I'm a genius coder and the best so I can be an @sshole to everyone like they were."  Well in crypto or any business, you need to have some social skills and be nice to at least the right people at the right time, and he obviously can't do that.

GMAX/Smooth/Fluffypony never made a big deal out of his "personality."

The issue was always his theft of Bitcoin code.

But I understand why you want to change the topic to irrelevant things you never defended, after you carried so much water for him before.

Icebreaker and Smooth, you guys really need to get over this John stole bitcoin code nonsense. I suppose you think Elon Musk stole Henry Fords formula when he decided to put tires on his Tesla car. John has already stated that there are some lines of code similiar to peercoin for compatibility and not re-inventing the wheel. Vcash is written from scratch and has almost no resemblance to bitcoin and a little resemblance to peercoin's most basic features. John also said he would credit Sonny King if Sonny wants him to. Hell he probably would even credit Satoshi Nakamoto for shits and giggles IF Satoshi asked him to. But so far he says Nick Szabo nor Sonny King has asked :)

Notice how this discussion isn't about JC's personality?

And neither is this one.

So if John said his code was 99% from scratch and 1% was used from btc/ppc code to maintain backwards compatibility, would that make you happy? From scratch doesn't necessarily mean 100%. When you bake a cake from scratch you don't lay the eggs yourself. I agree with Wolf, you need to get over this little sticking point. No one that owns Vcash or may own Vcash in the future cares if it is 98, 99, or 100% original code.  No one cares if John used 1% of the same code from btc or ppc that 99% of other dev's use 90% of that code. Bottom line is he used FAR, FAR less and it is fine. Now I see your point if you want to be a stickler about whether he should or should not need to acknowledge either btc or ppc legally. But to me and most people what he did is not illegal, and even if it borders on unethical or illegal or he should do it. All I can say is when the speed limit is 55mph and you drive 56mph you did something illegal. When your kid has 10,000 songs on his ipod/iphone, he did something illegal. When you watch Game of Thrones on the internet without acknowleging and paying HBO, you did something illegal. When you surf porn, like 90% of the population, you probably run across something accidentaliy that is illegal for you to view without paying the producer somehow. There are all sorts of very slightly unethical or illegal stuff that everyone on the planet does, and no one gives a fuck. I guarantee you that both Smooth and Icebreaker have done one to all of the things mentioned above. So stop being the crypto cops, riaa, mpaa, etc. It is not your job, no one cares, and go do something useful like working on your coin.  And I'm the first one to say I don't agree with everything John is and does.  Sure he most likely has a genius level IQ (as do I), he sure as hell can code and knows a lot about p2p, crypto, mining, hardware, fpga, and coding in multiple languages on multiple devices, as well as creating one hell of a good coin. But he is arrogant, stubborn, makes up his own theories and realities sometimes, bans a lot of good people from twitter, hasn't doxed himself or promoted his project yet. He thinks that it is 2009 and Vcash is as important as BTC, he thinks he needs to be anonymous like Satoshi. This ISN'T 2009. To be successful in 2016 you need a credible face behind your project and promotion. No one in Vcash cares about your little "he stole a few lines of code and didn't acknowledge it" bullshit. What we care about is that he starts doing what any successful coin's creator or CEO does. Meaning tell us who the fuck you are, what all the great projects and code you have created over the last 20 years are, and start marketing/promoting your coin and getting the world to use it.  Smooth, you don't even know who Connor is. If he came out and was someone you respected, I bet you would be buying up Vcash. That is all.

How's that not caring about stolen code working for you?

Where is your deflection now, chump?   :D

#REKT


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: jimlite on December 04, 2016, 05:09:20 PM
I did say this as quoted, "But he is arrogant, stubborn, makes up his own theories and realities sometimes, bans a lot of good people from twitter, hasn't doxed himself or promoted his project yet."

SO I was concerned about his character. And to be honest it still doesn't bother me that he copied a few lines of code, it happens all the time. Why re-write DirectX or OpenGl? Game devs use it all the time. Now I agree his CHARACTER of not attributing that or admitting it is the problem. But still I say this all has nothing to do with the code it has everything to do with the man's honesty, character, and psych issues.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: YourMother on December 04, 2016, 10:26:00 PM
Looks like John Connor of Vanillacoin/Vcash/XVC got finally exposed. (thanks to "thelion07). The scammer's name is Julian Cain, although some are not 100% sure.


Now, to expose this scumbag even further:

1 - His twitter page does not exist anymore:


https://i.imgur.com/WiCvnyR.jpg


2 - Not only that, but his linkedin page was also closed.

https://i.imgur.com/IYU3Zsi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/aMZEe6E.jpg


3 - Fortunately, i have managed to get some info from his Twitter and found out this (from 2009):


https://i.imgur.com/TAAzRUd.png

He was tweeting/retweeting about drugs  :)

https://i.imgur.com/58rXPJF.png




4 - Now let's head over to Slack: (This conversation is from 10th of August 2016)

This is just a small sample, but trust me, this guy knows his drug shit better than the p2p protocols he's worked on.


https://i.imgur.com/hgU8vA5.jpg


5 - Now, even more data:

https://i.imgur.com/8ypQCL5.png


https://i.imgur.com/wBSUZ9W.png

https://i.imgur.com/oo5rijg.png
https://i.imgur.com/wzpqhBZ.png

6 - Additionally, some articles from the internet with our friend JC (Julian Cain, John Connor)


http://bit.ly/2g0C4J0
http://bit.ly/2g8YzyJ
http://bit.ly/2gE0onE
http://bit.ly/2gRbYcS
http://bit.ly/2gRbYcS


Received this from user "newfnd"

https://i.imgur.com/22zI79Q.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/L2AdmlI.png

It's HIM

https://i.imgur.com/yHe4V7e.gif


The scumbag is done!

"Thank you for your support  8)"



Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: mistercashking on December 04, 2016, 10:52:11 PM
damn what a shame. I liked vcash.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: iamnotback on December 05, 2016, 04:53:08 AM
It is unfortunate that an apparently expert enough coder in his prime productive age of 30s has pissed away his talent because of drugs and the effect that has had on his ability to integrate with society.

I would attribute all of his failure to the use of drugs. This probably causes his social paranoia and poor choices.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on December 05, 2016, 06:48:31 AM
to be honest it still doesn't bother me that he copied a few lines of code

It was never a few line of code. There were (multiple) entire significant modules that were identified as refactored (i.e. copied and reformatted). This does not mean that other parts were not also copied, it just means that no one went to trouble to compare and identify all of the copied code. Why should we do his work for him? It is his job to cite the copied portions, no matter how much or how many, not hide them.

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Why re-write DirectX or OpenGl? Game devs use it all the time.

That's because the licenses allow it and if you look in the copyright notices for just about any game you will see the required attributions and license notices for the redistributable code. Game devs who use redistributable components don't claim to be geniuses who implemented them from scratch.

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Now I agree his CHARACTER of not attributing that or admitting it is the problem. But still I say this all has nothing to do with the code it has everything to do with the man's honesty, character, and psych issues.

I actually don't care about his personal problems and I actually wish people would leave him (or other people with personal challenges who pop up here from time to time) alone about it. There is a sadistic streak on this forum that comes out where certain people want to "beat up the special kids" whenever they can. It isn't admirable.

Whatever challenges john-conner faces I hope he gets the help he needs and/or otherwise manages to reach some state of happiness and peace in his life.




Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: iamnotback on December 05, 2016, 09:13:57 AM
I actually don't care about his personal problems and I actually wish people would leave him (or other people with personal challenges who pop up here from time to time) alone about it. There is a sadistic streak on this forum that comes out where certain people want to "beat up the special kids" whenever they can. It isn't admirable.

Whatever challenges john-conner faces I hope he gets the help he needs and/or otherwise manages to reach some state of happiness and peace in his life.

But he ripped people off. Why shouldn't they be a little bit pissed off?

He was ostensibly using the money from our altcoin ecosystem to ply his drug habit.

I care. I have observed drugs ravage my family.

It bothers me that we are legalizing pot in the USA. And that the culture in the West condones smoking pot even amongst teenagers, as if it is no big deal.

I also wish he will find his happiness, but not at the expense of lying and misleading others to feed his problems.

I hope he can use his talents in a constructive way. He is at critical juncture nearly 40. My 40s were wasted on turmoil. I very much doubt he will receive the wake up call, but I hope he does of course.

I am not judging because what ever he wants to do is his own business. But if he rips off the public, it is our and the SEC's business. And I can also relate how I wasted my 40s and hope he doesn't.

It is much harder to code in the 50s (well I don't know what it would be like if I wasn't chronically ill, but still seems it gets much more difficult). If he only realized how little time he has remaining on the peak production of his career.

What I am saying from experience is that once you slide a little ways into forsaking ethics, the abyss awaits you because it is a slippery slope. I almost received the wake up call too late. Almost. And I am really struggling to climb out of a hole. He may not realize how his life can spin out-of-control if he doesn't arrest that pattern.

(as you know, I have been on the receiving end of that sadistic ridicule. But didn't I ask for it. Albeit my illness caused me to be in the situation where I would post more than code)


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Rols on December 05, 2016, 11:14:15 AM
I started to mine the vanillacoin from the beginning. It just took me a few weeks to understand that something fishy was going on. I stoped mining and just watched.
One of the problem with john-connor was that he always wanted to be right. Nobody was so talented as him except a few. He even started a fight with bitcoin developer.
He had a too big ego. Then his fanboys started to be really rude to ppl that asked questions about the code and other things. Normally there are a level that nobody passes but his fans did go beyond that. They called him satoshi nakamoto and more.

He was stealing code and did not credit ppl that he took it from. He seams to have a lot of drug and other problems in his life. He cheated ppl.

I wonder. He must have had a dream when he started this coin. If he have credited the original developers. If he have keept his acting clean where could this coin have gone? He was better than many of the devs in the altcoins jungle. He did not understand some things but he could put together other ppl codes. There were a lot of forks and other problems but I still think he was not planning to con ppl. He was stupid and had a too big ego and his fanboys should also be ashamed for what they were doing. He wanted to get a lot of money out from this and he got some.

There are flaws in the coin but he did put a lot of effort into it. Its sad how all this turned out. I dont give a shit about his fights with other coin devs. They all say they have the best coins.  ;D

If he could get some guts and come back I think it would be good for him. I dont think his personal life should drag him down and that he has pissed of some ppl. There are already a lot of crazy ppl in the crypto world. Funding are a problem but just abandon it is wrong to his investors. His coin needs a lot of improvments.



Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Jumanji7 on December 05, 2016, 11:20:55 AM
So JC has been doxed. Now it`s time to dox asshole smooth!


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: iamnotback on December 05, 2016, 03:03:11 PM
So JC has been doxed. Now it`s time to dox asshole smooth!


....


I doubt you will be able to doxx @smooth. He is too astute.

Lol, I know I am really far removed from modern culture in that I didn't even realize that smooth's avatar is from the movie The Big Lebowski.

http://www.visitsidneyshelby.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/big-lebowski-poster.jpg


The anonymous gang around smooth ... if their real motives surface

I don't believe that. Smooth has helped many people on this forum and he even defended JC:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1441959.msg17086298#msg17086298

What smooth didn't like was that JC was making claims of being a supreme expert and that all his code was original and yet he was actually using code from Bitcoin and his algorithms and whitepapers were lacking. (I am not defending iCEBREAKER who tends to be too political and hyper-critical of any coin he is not invested in)

JC is apparently a reasonably talented P2P (Bittorrent) dev (as I had long since publicly speculated that he was) and perhaps could be a great team member on a coin if his attitude improved (didn't he do good work in the past in Bittorrent group development?), but he is not capable of creating any significant breakthroughs for our ecosystem by himself (as  evident by the half-ass shit Zerotime and anonymity he produced). You shills can go on and on about "break it if you can", but it doesn't change the fact that we are collection of experts and we know what the fuck we are talking about. And you don't! So STFU or go on babbling your ignorance, your choice.

JC mislead speculators. Period. And for that he is receiving some animosity.

If he wants to come back, be non-anonymous subject to public scrutiny and improve his ethics (and cut out the drugs!), then maybe the community will give him another chance. But he needs to build a team of devs. One man shows are impossible. This stuff is way too complex and too much work for a one man development team.

I am not saying that he never had an original design idea. Apparently he made many tweaks which resulted in some better performance and compression characteristics. But those aren't apparently game changers. I know you Vcash supporters think they are, but I have a surprise coming for you.

Smooth et al stopped policing the altcoin discussion forums. They let JC destroy himself. You n00b speculators are so easily fooled, because you don't think clearly. You believe any technobabble that is thrown your direction. Or maybe you don't care, as long as you can fool some other n00bs. And this always backfires in the end. Only correct effort and honesty workout in the long-run. Ethics matter a lot for success. Those who cut corners end up failing. So don't blame your failure on smooth.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Divorcion on December 05, 2016, 03:37:12 PM
So finally this is a proved scam, one more in the list, was too busy to follow the recent developments but it looks ugly.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: BitPotus on December 05, 2016, 03:38:41 PM
I wish TPTB needs war/iamnot back or whatever alter ego he is using would stfu already and get on with his fucking coin.

There are plenty of people who are just itching to throw BTC at you(me included) but quite frankly you are as bad as JC with all your rants.

Just do it already mate.



Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: TrueAnon on December 05, 2016, 03:52:13 PM
EXCELLENT work, xvc always smelled fishy and main reason I barely touched or held was due to dev, glad he is busted and this coin is now in gutter.  But I feel sorry for many big holders as this "looked" like legit thing.

I ask again ppl PLEASE stick to a winner like WBB project!!! :)


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: smooth on December 05, 2016, 05:33:37 PM
I actually don't care about his personal problems and I actually wish people would leave him (or other people with personal challenges who pop up here from time to time) alone about it. There is a sadistic streak on this forum that comes out where certain people want to "beat up the special kids" whenever they can. It isn't admirable.

Whatever challenges john-conner faces I hope he gets the help he needs and/or otherwise manages to reach some state of happiness and peace in his life.

But he ripped people off. Why shouldn't they be a little bit pissed off?

Ripping people off, yes. That's something I care about, and why I was letting people know about the fake development (copied refactored code). It was a huge red flag. People who listened (not only to me but to the many other knowledgable members who said the same thing) got what they deserved (they got to keep their money) and people who didn't, well they also got what they deserved.

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He was ostensibly using the money from our altcoin ecosystem to ply his drug habit.

Whatever the reason, the result is the same, and there is no shortage of reasons. There have certainly been people who have ripped off the altcoin ecosystem for personal enrichment rather than a drug habit. The ecosystem is equally ripped off either way.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: iamnotback on December 06, 2016, 03:24:49 AM
BitPotus,

Guys, it seems people are getting kicked out from current vcash community, including myself. So i created this new one for everyone to join. If you can't join using the link, just send me your e-mail by private message and i will send an invite!

http://slack.vcrash.info/

Maybe you are an upstanding individual, but how can you overcome the fact that your community is composed of mafia who threaten to steal and hack into the computers of other developers?

I'll love to see your face when someone else gets the merits and the $$$ of your bitcoin killer. Watch out your computers kid... You're not as smart as you think.  ;)

Your leader John Conner has established a culture of theft, lying, and technical incompetence.

Nobody truly capable (of significant game changing direction) is ever going to work on the source code that is Vcrash, because it was born of theft and will remain tainted forever.

And BTW, if anyone is thinking about hacking into my computer to steal my designs before I publish them open source, then you will be reported to the FBI. And you will never get the support of the speculators nor community, because the investors know that the copycoins do not have the leadership that the original inventor provides. The design itself is not enough, as you actually must have all the information that is not written in the white paper, including knowing how to do mass marketing (which you can't steal from my whitepaper nor from my brain because it is my talent).

Stealing doesn't work. It is failure. And Vtrash will always be a failure because it is born of and has a permanent entrenched culture of theft.

These failureturds blame their problems on @smooth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1704796.msg17089106#msg17089106), who was even trying to be nice and wishing the best for JC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1441959.msg17086298#msg17086298). When I try to explain that to them, they attack me creating sockpuppet account with an abusive name calling.

The community acts like spoiled brat, teenage retards. Acting like the boys who threw spitballs in class in elementary school. How can you build anything serious from a community like that?


We need honest and upstanding competition. This means to be ethical, professional, and compete honestly. May the best technology, with the best marketing, and the most inspired teams win. Open source. Respect for intellectual honesty and hard work. Respect for contributors and attempting to inspire the best-of-the-best to join the ecosystem. All this sleazy scams, mafia style, drug infested, nonsense should be ignored by upstanding, mature members of our altcoin speculator and investor community.


Our altcoin communities need to grow up. Be professional. And stop acting like pimple-faced, teenage boys.

I have nothing more to say to your community. I hope you disassociate yourself from this sleaze. Stop feeding the trolls. We have real work to do in the altcoin space. No more time for this nonsense!


No seriously and sufficiently talented group of developers are going to associate themselves with this project. There aren't that many truly capable developers in the altcoin arena. None of them are going to be inspired to work on a project that has this sleazy history. Period. You are wasting your time and effort.




0 lines of code

You Vcrash shills are so into accuracy:

https://github.com/shelby3
https://githubcontributions.io/user/shelby3/events/1

And that doesn't include my private repositories which you can't see yet Julian.

Your community of liars and spin-masters is so inaccurate:

What's funny is that this Shelby guy uses most of his time to trash xvc

I haven't written anything about Vtrash for months. I wrote a few posts in past 24 hours because of the recent news.

You guys don't debate with intellectual honesty, nor mutual respect. Go read my recent posts. None of them were abusive, nor inaccurate hyperbole.

Your community only knows how to create fights. Every Vtrash thread is full of this intellectually dishonest crap from your sleazy community members.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Lord Of The Internet on December 07, 2016, 10:13:08 AM
oh no!  john conner smoked pot?   yes, that explains everything  ::)


@iamnotblack
If you think pot should be illegal, you need to spend a few moments and educate yourself.  Try to get at least a tiny amount of knowledge on the "dangers" of using pot regularly.  And then get a tiny amount of knowledge on the dangers of McDonald's fast food and tobacco.     Do you now think that fast food and tobacco should be illegal?  Should people who smoke tobacco and eat fast food get arrested?  The correct answer is NO.  You see, there's this little thing called personal freedom that many people, unlike yourself, value and respect. 

Also, please spend a few moments educating yourself on prohibition and all the negative effects it has had on society.  Do a little bonus research on how well prohibition worked out with alcohol.


cryptocurrency, to me and a hell of a lot of other people, is about personal freedom and personal privacy.  if you don't care about those things, why did you ever get involved?



Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Zer0Sum on December 07, 2016, 10:44:17 AM
oh no!  john conner smoked pot?   yes, that explains everything  ::)


@iamnotblack
If you think pot should be illegal, you need to spend a few moments and educate yourself.  Try to get at least a tiny amount of knowledge on the "dangers" of using pot regularly.  And then get a tiny amount of knowledge on the dangers of McDonald's fast food and tobacco.     Do you now think that fast food and tobacco should be illegal?  Should people who smoke tobacco and eat fast food get arrested?  The correct answer is NO.  You see, there's this little thing called personal freedom that many people, unlike yourself, value and respect. 

Also, please spend a few moments educating yourself on prohibition and all the negative effects it has had on society.  Do a little bonus research on how well prohibition worked out with alcohol.


cryptocurrency, to me and a hell of a lot of other people, is about personal freedom and personal privacy.  if you don't care about those things, why did you ever get involved?

One fine day...
You will get a letter informing you that the surgeon that performed your lobotomy smoked pot.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Lord Of The Internet on December 08, 2016, 06:08:57 AM
oh no!  john conner smoked pot?   yes, that explains everything  ::)


@iamnotblack
If you think pot should be illegal, you need to spend a few moments and educate yourself.  Try to get at least a tiny amount of knowledge on the "dangers" of using pot regularly.  And then get a tiny amount of knowledge on the dangers of McDonald's fast food and tobacco.     Do you now think that fast food and tobacco should be illegal?  Should people who smoke tobacco and eat fast food get arrested?  The correct answer is NO.  You see, there's this little thing called personal freedom that many people, unlike yourself, value and respect. 

Also, please spend a few moments educating yourself on prohibition and all the negative effects it has had on society.  Do a little bonus research on how well prohibition worked out with alcohol.


cryptocurrency, to me and a hell of a lot of other people, is about personal freedom and personal privacy.  if you don't care about those things, why did you ever get involved?

One fine day...
You will get a letter informing you that the surgeon that performed your lobotomy smoked pot.

yep.  i'm sure my doctor will be drinking martinis and snorting pot off of a nurse's ass during surgery.  And afterwards, he's going to go buy some cheap Vcash. 

While that's going on, John Conner is going to get out of rehab for his deadly marijuana addiction and blast his super duper 13 count zero day exploit on those damn monero trolls.  Then, John Conner will scream "Thank you for your support!   8)".  And Vcash loyalists will instantly become filthy rich.

Sounds pretty plausible, right?





Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: iCEBREAKER on December 08, 2016, 07:49:38 AM
i'm sure my doctor will be drinking martinis and snorting pot off of a nurse's ass during surgery.  And afterwards, he's going to go buy some cheap Vcash. 

https://i.imgur.com/V5a8M2a.jpg
I love this thread sew much!


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Lord Of The Internet on December 08, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
i'm sure my doctor will be drinking martinis and snorting pot off of a nurse's ass during surgery.  And afterwards, he's going to go buy some cheap Vcash.  

I love this thread sew much!

i do too :)

vcash uncensored is hilarious.  if you want some more crypto fun, head over to the ION thread.  the people behind ION are ex paycoin (gawminer) bagholders trying to scam up some cash.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Gillette on December 08, 2016, 11:36:05 AM
So xvc community does not have access to the code and they claim they are going to continue the development of the coin?  ;D


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: bigfryguy on December 08, 2016, 06:11:17 PM
Unlike you guys, I wouldnt consider what John did as ripping people off...  He screwed people over for sure, but I think he just got tired of getting very little reward for his work, and finally just sold what he had and moved on...

It was bound to happen, and luckilly I got out before it did, but look at it this way.  The day of the altcoin is over,  there is very little new money moving into this space and everyone will fight over the last of the scraps as people realize that there will be no bitcoin killer,  true there will be new projects that work with  bitcoin and world currencies to allow remmitances in a fast and easy way, but there will not be another crypto currency that will challenge bitcoin for this use.  If it was going to succeed we would have seen much more money enterring the space as all these micro chains arose.

sorry guys no one cares about new solutions to the bitcoin problem without those solutions being inside the bitcoin environment.  I bet people couldnt cash out more than 100 million dollars from the entire alt space without completely drying it up and killing it forever.

peace out

I am out of altcoins and will be looking at how blockchain tech can be used in the realworld from now on, my libertarian dreams are gone, as the only thing to see here is pennystock gambling, not real world fixes.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: YourMother on December 08, 2016, 08:46:38 PM
Unlike you guys, I wouldnt consider what John did as ripping people off...  He screwed people over for sure, but I think he just got tired of getting very little reward for his work, and finally just sold what he had and moved on...

It was bound to happen, and luckilly I got out before it did, but look at it this way.  The day of the altcoin is over,  there is very little new money moving into this space and everyone will fight over the last of the scraps as people realize that there will be no bitcoin killer,  true there will be new projects that work with  bitcoin and world currencies to allow remmitances in a fast and easy way, but there will not be another crypto currency that will challenge bitcoin for this use.  If it was going to succeed we would have seen much more money enterring the space as all these micro chains arose.

sorry guys no one cares about new solutions to the bitcoin problem without those solutions being inside the bitcoin environment.  I bet people couldnt cash out more than 100 million dollars from the entire alt space without completely drying it up and killing it forever.

peace out

I am out of altcoins and will be looking at how blockchain tech can be used in the realworld from now on, my libertarian dreams are gone, as the only thing to see here is pennystock gambling, not real world fixes.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong on all of your points.

John julian connor cain ashley quit the project not because he wasn't getting rewarded, but because he had lost a lot of his coins in multiple attempts at playing with the market. He had avoided promoting XVC for years on social networks, and he did that on purpose, as a way to bury the project into obscurity so that he could get to hoard as many coins as possible before the main launch. Once he screwed up on the markets, he lost the incentive to keep working on the project. If you have ever traded other cryptocurrencies, you probably know by now that, the first thing you do after you get rid of your share is to not give a shit about the respective project anymore.

Owning a big part of the network was Ashley's main incentive behind his commitment to the project, as he would have been greatly rewarded by the constant revenue stream provided by his superpeer/masternode implementation. Now, not only that he flushed down the toilet the community, his time and his money, he also flushed down his reputation, which will be forever tarnished.


Now, talking about altcoins, not everything revolves around replacing bitcoin. There are multiple cryptocurrencies like: Factom, Siacoin, Storj, XRP, BTM etc, that are targeting different goals like: decentralized storage, immutable and time stamped data layers, reputation etc. Claiming that bitcoin will be alone in the space is no different than being in the 60' and saying that IBM will be the only company to sell computer hardware/software. There will always be competition or just different purposes, and i envision that, in the future, the internet will be completely tokenized and all of these blockchains will interact with each other. Also, given that the blockchain is still in its infancy, and a lot of potential is there, waiting to be unlocked, i think that it's too early to draw definitive conclusions.



"Thank you for your support  8)"


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: jimlite on December 09, 2016, 02:00:49 AM
No his assesment is correct. Right now the ONLY reason alt coins have any of bitcoins market share is because they are soley for the purpose of gambling. Once the govts. put rules on altcoins like they are on bitcoin, all this alt coin nonsense will be gone and only real projects will remain. Some people would just rather gamble at home in their underwear on altcoins then at a casino.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: YourMother on December 09, 2016, 02:56:34 AM
LMFAO!

The idiots deleted my photo (a few days ago) which proved that John julian connor cain ashley modified the code right before letting kryptrichards and xcore fork it.


Now take a look at this:

https://i.imgur.com/dlTiyGd.png


Zero day flaw that allows miners to opt-out of paying incentive rewards to nodes

Now tell xcore, who has zero expertize in p2p protocols, to fix that!  :D :D

FUBARed!


"Thank you for your support   8)"


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: Rols on December 16, 2016, 06:41:56 PM
The fanboys are sitting in their V.cash thread and telling ppl how much they hate John-connor and deleting post that ask serious questions. Its the same shit all over again. Do they never learn!


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: iCEBREAKER on December 23, 2016, 11:03:39 PM
JC is just an autistic person. Maybe he can't help it. But i know one thing...he never got the credit and respect he could deserve.  Just because he is being such an asshole to anyone.

Please stop remotely diagnosing and then blaming mental illness for you own gullibility and stupidity.

I'm sure shifting responsibility to 'some crazy person' makes you feel better about your loss, but that's not how a grown man should behave.

How many times were you warned about Vcash and JC's obvious warning signs?  How many bright red flags were shoved right in your smug face?

Now I get to rub that smug face in the pile of shit JC left on your carpet.  It's like an early Christmas present!   ;D

And now for the coup de grace:

Quote
never purchase or lease software that is self encrypted, compressed or obfuscated because it's not intellectual property that is being hidden, it's always something else

-Ashly Julian Cain, 2009 (http://disq.us/p/3l0mjo)

 :D :D :D


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: iCEBREAKER on February 06, 2017, 12:02:29 AM
We need 7 BTC of volume on Bittrex within the next 5 days.  Please sell to yourself a little if you have coins there.  Thank you

Begging for fake volume is a new low, even for Vtrash.

Sorry, but Vtrash is dead and it's never coming back.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: jimlite on February 07, 2017, 12:57:08 AM
Something is going on with the massive Polo volume over the last few days. I know it is a captive market, but still. It is far from dead, just don't know if there will be a fork or battle like ETH/ETC, which I think would be bad for the coin. It doesn't need any more drama, does it?


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: iCEBREAKER on February 07, 2017, 01:28:16 AM
Something is going on with the massive Polo volume over the last few days. I know it is a captive market, but still. It is far from dead, just don't know if there will be a fork or battle like ETH/ETC, which I think would be bad for the coin. It doesn't need any more drama, does it?

Dead coins pump on Polo all the time.  BBR is the prime example.  XCN as well.

Even dead, useless proven scams like jl777hodl, XC, and BlockNet were victims of Polo necromancy at one time or another.

Here's what's going on.

https://i.imgur.com/EEQnFY8.jpg

The frog is long gone from this world, but its body may be animated by application of artificial external stimulus.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: jimlite on March 03, 2017, 10:38:45 PM
Hah, well it is a closed market now so easy to manipulate until they re-enable deposits/withdrawls


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: yelllowsin on April 18, 2017, 09:14:37 PM
Version 0.6.0.3 has been released and will activate on next week! The complete changelog is below. You can download version 0.6.0.3 at https://vcash.info/wallets.php.

  • TCP protocol version and minimum version increment.
  • UDP message version and minimum version increment.
  • Pretty print JSON for the config file.
  • Checkpoints update.
  • GetBlock RPC update with verbose parameter.
  • New Incentive winners & DoS connections rules once block #658000 will be reached.
  • Bug fixes.

For more info on ongoing development please get an invite in our Slack using https://slack.vcash.info/ and check #dev channel!

Thank you for your support  8)


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: mamamae on April 25, 2017, 02:18:34 AM
Thanks yelllowsin for the update, there are guide to make a node ? 
to make some pos coin i need only the wallet ?


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: groggin on April 25, 2017, 04:30:34 AM
Thanks yelllowsin for the update, there are guide to make a node ?  
to make some pos coin i need only the wallet ?

  more info here
https://docs.vcash.info/
https://docs.vcash.info/technologies/node-incentives/

to run Proof of Stake, run, sync and unlock your wallet, and have some balance more than 24 hours old. rate is 0.7%/year


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: yelllowsin on April 25, 2017, 03:25:46 PM
Thanks yelllowsin for the update, there are guide to make a node ? 
to make some pos coin i need only the wallet ?

There is also a small tutorial i wrote on how to sep up a node. You can find it here: https://forum.vcash.info/d/4-how-to-run-an-incentive-node



Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: andrejka on April 25, 2017, 04:52:43 PM
Something is going on with the massive Polo volume over the last few days. I know it is a captive market, but still. It is far from dead, just don't know if there will be a fork or battle like ETH/ETC, which I think would be bad for the coin. It doesn't need any more drama, does it?

Dead coins pump on Polo all the time.  BBR is the prime example.  XCN as well.

Even dead, useless proven scams like jl777hodl, XC, and BlockNet were victims of Polo necromancy at one time or another.

Here's what's going on.

https://i.imgur.com/EEQnFY8.jpg

The frog is long gone from this world, but its body may be animated by application of artificial external stimulus.

Nice parallel. Lots of coins are delisted and more to come. Need to be more accurate what we are investing in.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: will_k on May 15, 2017, 01:54:38 AM
stumbled upon this coin... sounds like a coin with lots of history and stories.
is there a timeline of events archived somewhere?


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: yelllowsin on May 15, 2017, 03:45:34 AM
stumbled upon this coin... sounds like a coin with lots of history and stories.
is there a timeline of events archived somewhere?
Yeh, you can dig through this forum searching for XVC and also for Vanillacoin which was the name of vcash before it was rebranded to Vcash. Good luck in your research and don't forget to visit our slack community, it is pretty active^^. Website has also a history of development releases.

https://slack.vcash.info/ -> Slack Community Invites
https://vcash.info/ -> Official Website
https://vcash.info/news.php -> Development releases and changelogs

If anyone wants to buy XVC do it at Bittrex. Currently Poloniex wallet is disabled, we are waiting their admins team to enable it again.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ReiMomo on May 20, 2017, 10:08:46 PM
Where is a good pool for this?


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: groggin on May 21, 2017, 08:34:12 AM
Where is a good pool for this?

  burnt out my GPUs so havn't mined in a while, but i see this is still up:  https://pool.vchain.info/ (https://pool.vchain.info/)


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: ReiMomo on May 25, 2017, 09:06:53 PM
Where is a good pool for this?

  burnt out my GPUs so havn't mined in a while, but i see this is still up:  https://pool.vchain.info/ (https://pool.vchain.info/)

That's similar to pool.vanillaco.in , I can't see if I'm earning something on those pools.


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: groggin on May 25, 2017, 09:54:52 PM
Where is a good pool for this?

  burnt out my GPUs so havn't mined in a while, but i see this is still up:  https://pool.vchain.info/ (https://pool.vchain.info/)

That's similar to pool.vanillaco.in , I can't see if I'm earning something on those pools.

 i used to mine there, they'd payout once a dayish or 3+coins i think


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: yelllowsin on June 05, 2017, 09:34:49 PM
New Electron Vcash GUI released. More info at https://blog.vcash.info/latest

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*2Esd9ixpDlb157mitxcFYA.png


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: gembitz on November 09, 2017, 08:57:59 PM
I'll start with this deleted post that was removed by one of their scam promoters claiming that Bitcoin is going "copy Vcash" by adding an adaptive blocksize. I pointed out that Monero (and previously Bytecoin) had such an adaptive blocksize almost a year before Vcash launched.

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

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Hey monero guy, how is the monero's blockchain bloat? Lol

Its adaptive blocksize that was launched in early 2014 is doing fine, thank you for asking.


Enjoy this open, neutral forum for discussion of Vcash/Vanillacoin as my gift to you.

Other resources from community members below. No endorsement implied.


Vcash


Welcome to the official community topic of Vcash. This topic is moderated by the Vcash community members.

Vcash is a cryptographic currency that is not a clone of any other project. It is designed to be innovative and forward-thinking. It prevents eavesdropping and censorship, promotes decentralized, energy efficient and fast network transactions by use of irrevocable contracts and provides opt-in client-side anonymity. It has no pre-mine, pre-sale, IPO, ICO or BS.

Specifications:

30.7 million coins.
Variable block time targeting 80-200 seconds.
128 coins per block initially.
Difficulty is retargeted every block.
Blake-256 Proof-of-Work algorithm.
0.7% interest rate by use of energy efficient Proof-of-Stake.
0.0005 coin per kilobyte transaction fee.

Whitepaper:

http://v.cash/papers/vanillacoin.pdf

Wallets:

http://v.cash/wallets.php

Exchanges:

Bittrex: https://www.bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XVC
Poloniex: https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_xvc
RAWX: https://beta.rawx.io/#/markets/BTC:XVC

Projects:

https://github.com/john-connor/

Proof-of-Work Mining/Coin Distribution

http://pool.v.cash/
http://vcash.miningpoolhub.com/
http://xvc.maxminers.net/
http://xvc.suprnova.cc/

Ledger Explorer:
 
https://explorer.v.cash/
https://www.blockexperts.com/xvc/

Developer Announcements:

Development Team ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064326.0

Social:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/vdotcash
Forum: https://v.cash/forum/
https://v.cash/slack/

Disclaimer: This project is considered "beta" and is in an ever-changing state. This said, it moves rapidly and keeping up with the evolution is not easy. The best channel for up-to-date information is through the "official" forums. Anything posted on BCT or elsewhere regarding changes to this project's current state should not be considered unless also confirmed through the "official" forums.

Thank you for your support




I'll add the official threads info here.  Please add this to the front page smooth.   If you really want this to be an unmoderated announcement page you should at least start it off with the appropriate information.

Just created an unofficial Vcash facebook fan group. Click below to join !!!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1835848506633458/

Vcash XVC is looking like a great dip here 8) weeee #ohyeah

https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_xvc


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: nimo0728 on January 24, 2018, 05:02:21 AM
Help me ,  plz .

I have found a backup wallet.dat of Vanillacoin in 2014 , there are some Vanillacoin in it , I do not know how much .
But I can not start this wallet , because there is no Vanillacoin wallet application .
Is this wallet can work now ?
Is it can upgrade to XVC ?

Thanks very much .


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: groggin on January 24, 2018, 11:34:18 AM
  

if you guys will look back some pages, you'll see that it's common for peeps to ask and yer right, can't setup payment, and almost no info, but,

after a while, payment always shows up in your wallet   :-\


Title: Re: [XVC] Vcash (former [VNL] Vanillacoin) cryptocurrency unmoderated discussion
Post by: avatar_gr on August 11, 2018, 08:13:31 AM
Any exchanges that still buy/sell XVC???