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I've sent three e-mails so far, with no response. I don't want to wait until April or may to receive my unit, but most importantly my 4 year old son has been diagnosed with Leukemia! Treatment isn't cheap,,,, I'm gonna have to take out a second mortgage and it still won't cover the costs. I need my $1,333 refunded ASAP. Please.


Also, I'm not really one to ask people for anything, but my son's life is at stake here. If any of you would be so kind enough to send me donations to help pay for treatment, I would greatly appreciate it and never forget the assistance I may receive. :(

Sorry, I'm just an emotional wreck right now and I need to vent!!  >:( >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Sorry, I moved this to the proper subforum......  :'(

You're better off selling your pre-order. You'll get at least 3 times your money back immediately.

I've yet to hear of BFL not honoring any refund, so just calm down, and give them a chance. What dates did you send them those 3 emails?

Just curious, when is your pre-order for?

I'm sure Josh or Jody will be right on top of this first thing tomorrow, bud. Hang tight.

I'll even PM Josh for you with a link to this thread.

Later, bud.

~Bruno K~

in case this is true (you'll have to forgive my disbelief ) , i wish your son get well as soon as possible.
From my experience with bfl is that communication isnt that fast. My last e-mail took them 6 days to reply. I havent seen a situation where a refund is not honored.
now.. in that remote possibility of you lying about something like that for a "quick refund" or something... you are just [......- lot of words come into mind-....]

Sorry, I was just in panic mode. I'm worrying about my son too much. Worst case scenario I'll file a PayPal dispute.

Thanks for the support and donations people... I greatly appreciate it....

Seriously, contact Josh.  I'm sure he'll personally expedite this for you.

Well the first reply I got took a matter of less than a few hours, and all she did was post a link to the shipping status update page. Then I sent another stating I want it cancelled, then the next day another, and still no response...

But like I said, I'm a wreck right now and I can't think rationally sometimes.

i had my refunded order within 24 hours. use the contact form on their website and remember that BFL cant even be bothered to post updates, so you're sure as shit not going to get weekend responses from them.

Thanks for the tip. I will do that after working my overtime shift. :/

Thank you BFL! My refund is on its way. And my Apologies for being a dick, I'm just going through tough times right.now, as any parent here can imagine....

Just remember that life is 10% what happens to you, and 90% how you react to it.

You can't change what is happening, but don't make yourself sick as well with anxiety.

Good advice, I'll keep that in mind. However something on this scale makes is much easier said than done.

You haven't asked for advice but I'm going to give you some anyway.  Hook up with some childhood leukaemia support groups.  Thousands of parents have trodden this path before you and their insight and support will be invaluable.  They can link you up with the best organisations to give you practical assistance - and there are very many for childhood cancers - as well.

You cannot help your son if you don't take care of yourself.  Your priorities will be changed by this and a lot of things will now seem unimportant, but don't let taking care of yourself slip to the bottom of the list.  Now, more than ever, you still need to laugh and smile and have fun.

Will you be that putting that money back into the btcjam listing you have active for an ASIC unit?

Link?

wtf is btcjam?

Oh fuck, nevermind.... I know whats going on now.


Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse. FUCK!!!!

cancer bites.   My father in law is in remission from liver cancer for 6 years now.   The bill (estimated) to get us to this point has been about $330,000.   Not a disease for the poor.

My problem is I only make $53k a year, and I'm a single father. But I'll tell you for sure that being able to afford the treatment definitely isn't the first thing on my mind.  :'( I wouldn't wish this situation on my worst enemies.

Insurance?

They don't cover everything if you want the top notch care.... Plus taking time off work, etc etc.

Fuck, sorry don't want to talk about it.  :'(

Hey Crazyates, you still haven't let on how much BFL are paying you?..

Oh, yes. I heard being sick in US is insanely expensive compared to the rest of the world. Good luck and see if you can sell your pre-order to someone for more.

Indeed it is.   It's not much less if you want middle to upper tier care though in many other places as well.   The difference between private rooms and rooms where there are 8 other people in the ward for example can make a big difference when they give you the bill (but it also makes a big difference in how much rest you get as well... not to mention the emotional toll if someone in the same ward dies while you're there for example). 

:)

I understand you might not want to talk about it with us, but I strongly recommend you talk about it with other parents who have walked this path already.  Your idea of taking out a second mortgage might not be the best plan of action if you're going to need to take any significant amount of unpaid time off work.  Other parents can also give you an idea of what things it's worth spending extra money on out of pocket and what things it isn't.

There are organisations whose sole purpose for existing is to help parents in your situation access services you probably don't even realise are out there.  The social worker at the medical facility where your son will be receiving treatment should be able to hook you up with all kinds of help, both practical and emotional.

If your employer is a large company, look into whether they allow donation of leave time by other employees.  Some companies allow this and it can be extremely useful for helping people maintain an income when they would otherwise have no choice but to take unpaid leave.  Talk to your company and see what employee welfare programmes they have which might be able to help you.

You're in luck! Since you're in Canada, 70% of the cost will be picked by the government, and that's if you don't have insurance which most employers do have for their employees, therefore cost is probably your least worries.

Canada picks up 100% of the cost of healthcare.  The only costs the OP will have are medication, and losing income due to missed work.

That can't be, for if true it would negate the premise of the OP.

Color me confused!

From what I looked up and heard a day in a US hospital costs somewhere in the range of $3000-5000 and that is excluding the costs of operations etc. If I am wrong about the numbers please correct me.
The same costs $80-150 in Poland and $250 for upper tier care in a private hospital.

I was under the impression that the exact arrangements vary by province in Canada.

Also, here in Australia we have both single payer (medical costs) and universal (hospital costs) healthcare but there are circumstances under which you might choose to go private and incur additional costs - either because you want to use a particular doctor and that doctor charges more than the government pays for a specific service or because you can get a particular procedure done faster by using the private system.

Again, the best way to get an idea of actual out of pocket costs is to talk to parents who've trodden this path before.  For things not covered by the government, cancer organisations often subsidise the cost to some extent.  The worst possible time to find out the cost of something isn't covered by the government is when you need it right now.

then i found this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117725.msg1442584#msg1442584

i was just about to donate something but now i am irritated.

Good catch.

Looks like anyone who donated got scammed.   :-\

just to quote before he deletes it on that thread...

He sounds like a scammer, not the way an adult with a cancer stricken 4 year old would talk.

sorry........

He is a scammer. You can't go bankrupt from medical bills in our country, since we have free healthcare. He's from Canada, check his post history.

*EDIT*
Just saw that it's in his signature too. I know Americans could fall for this scam, maybe a mod should intervene?

Fucking bullshit!! I was really sad when i read this fucking post! What a dick. I looked at my 3 year old son and was thinking about my grandmother who died from cancer a few years back. What a piece of shit!! This is why there needs to be a flag button to apply scammer tags. The mods cant catch it all and guys like this need to go some where. His post is still up wtf! others may only read the first half and donate. 

Yep, My mother also recently contracted cancer, but as she said, at nearly 80 she has had a good run.
 it's life that there are significant numbers of scum bags willing to take advantage of such situations.

Cyberbegging.  Pathetic and laughable. 

:) 

Nothing says legit like referring to the disease as "Leukemia Cancer..."  ::)
Even if he weren't scamming, I'd mourn the death of his pride.

I had a friend of a friend who had acquired immunodeficiency syndrome.

Are you fucking kidding?

This is a link to YOUR account, unless someone uses the exact same tag as you.

https://btcjam.com/users/1384

EDIT: I stand to loose 10 btc to one of your damn loans, thanks. :-\

How is this guy making bitcoin?
https://blockchain.info/address/18FTCBbBACc1Cedi1sZJj6jtXmD3ZTcizL?offset=50&filter=0
various scams?

Seeing that Canada has universal healthcare (in all provinces) and does not have a two-tier system I don't see how money could help in any way. All hospital costs are covered, the only issue would be outpatient drugs (assuming no supplemental coverage, which most full time workers have).

Yup, Canada is a good place to be sick.

He has never made a late payment, so don't be so quick to judge. Wait until he has not repaid anything. I understand the confusion based on this thread and what is on BTCJam, but there has never been a late payment--possibly something overlooked by people previously. Just don't make any quick judgements.

He's late now....
However he did say he might be late in the description of the bigger loan...
but with no reply on this thread from him... or on btcjam.... it feels like it the end game of a scam
... one in which he made off with 215 btc in total it looks like

and if based on btc value as of today... totals $10283.46 USD at a btc value of 47.62600 USD per BTC.

Are you seeking top-notch care for your four-year-old, or hoping to get him help ASAP? Or is all this a ruse to renege on some loan?

This is three loans I'm involved in that have stopped paying since the rise in price of BTC. I have to agree with the individual posters who are fishy about the way he's handleing himself over his sons illness. If it is true I pray for the littleone. I have three children myself. if anything was to happen to them I'd vamos.. I'd be with my child.

However... th problem here is a commitment was made. And the fact above is I have children of my own. A bank, a payday lone company and the.end.on default debit collector may give sympathy. But guess what YOU took the money. YOU made.a deal and are under obligation to pay. I won't.forgive you the money. if I did It's open season for every other.lendee to tell.any sob story.they wish to string this out. I expect something this weekend or at the latest Tuesday of next week

As you said, if this is genuine, the last thing he's going to be worrying about right now is paying back existing loans.  If it's a con, then the last thing he's going to be worrying about right now is paying back existing loans.

People really need to stop lending through BTCJam because they have no meaningful recourse.  People also need to realise that they have limited recourse in general when making loans to complete strangers and that in the vast majority of cases there's no cost-effective way to recover the debt.  You might as well lend the money to some guy you meet in a bar - at least there's a chance you'll see him again.

Yeah, the OP's story is a bit iffy but this isn't really a community which encourages the sharing of personal problems so it's not entirely unsurprising that there was never any lead up mention of his son having tests or any mention of the specific treatment plan (people in crisis often gush out this information because they're so overwhelmed).

Setting deadlines isn't especially helpful unless you have an effective form of recourse open to you.  Those who lent through BTCJam already know that it's against their ToS to contact defaulters directly (something I think is ridiculous given that BTCJam has no effective recovery mechanisms, which is what encourages the high default rate in the first place).

It's worth remembering that if people are seeking unconventional loans, it's often because they can't raise funds any other way - and there's often a good reason why friends, family and conventional financial institutions won't lend to them.

This guy is a scammer of the worst kind.

I'm finding it very difficult to hold my tongue on this episode, fearing that there's still a 1% chance his son is truly sick, but ain't got a clue as to how the insurance aspect works in Canada, albeit more time should have been dedicated to research than coming here for a handout, given he earns CAN$50K a year and has a mining array.