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Decentralization is our power, one man/women should not have the power to change BTC as they wish.


We are all satoshi, ignore all others that say otherwise and question their intent when they say otherwise.

so you're basically saying that we should deny even the real satoshi? no.

Yes, If you want Bitcoin to succeed. We do not need a benevolent dictator and a centralized figure head that can be attacked and sued. Satoshi should stay hidden and avoid these types of actions that

might come his way. We saw what Mike Hearn represented and how that turned out... individuals can be bribed or kidnapped or forced to do things, they would not ordinarily have done. We can even

see someone assassinating him, because he wanted to take the power or the money away from them, by making unpopular decisions. The decentralized decision making procedure protects individuals

from that type of threats.  ;)

Yes I am 100% saying we should.

There is no Satoshi.

Welcome to cryptohell, unredeemed sinner :)
There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I fully agree that satoshi's identity shouldn't matter but denying the founder's rights to reclaim his identity are just ridiculous. and dunno where you get that but bitcoin will stay decentralized even with him around.

I am Satoshi

I beleive there was satoshi a person or a bunch of guys experimenting but i am not sure there is satoshi alive right now.
But if real satoshi will came public, than i am sure he will not create panic selling all his million coin in market.

I really doubt that the real Satoshi will ever want to become public..owning that many BTC can be a real danger for him if he becomes public..:D

It does not even matter to me if he is Satoshi or not. For me everything will stay the same and nothing will change, my opinion about Bitcoin is going to be the same no matter what.

What if Satoshi suddenly appeared, providing proof (signed messages) that it was really him? Why should he be ignored? He made Bitcoin, he should be regarded for the importance of his invention... That doesn't necessarily mean we should allow him to take control of the currency: one thing doesn't imply the other.

Agreed.  Someone invented bitcoin and he definitely deserves credit for doing so.  I'd be relieved to know that it's an independent person and not a nefarious government agency.

That's right. We should never deny the real Satoshi. How come its possible to prove particular person to be Satoshi or not.

Don't be blinded by decentralization - big changes in the history was always created by individuals, not by masses.
Satoshi deserve credit for his invention and honorary mention in history books, we gotta remember our heroes.

Well, technically there is no way to prove whether Satoshi is behind a certain address right now. There are so many possibilities that certainty is not an option anymore. Quick examples:
1) Satoshi was a group.
2) Someone attained access to some of his keys, somehow.
However, signing a message from some of the known addresses would be a decent start (unlike what the current scammer did).

yes i refuse. we are all Satoshi

i agree.
satoshi either if he is one person or a group of people can reveal his/their identity if they see fit and we cannot deny that from them.
but at the same time we should not give satoshi any more power than he deserves by making satoshi a god, for example i read here a topic about satoshi should end the block size debate by taking one side! that would be centralization.

There is no Satoshi until proven otherwise.

This Craig Wright seems to convince less and less people he's Satoshi. I personally believe that Satoshi (the real person behind him) is dead.
So for now, there's no Satoshi.

If someone here is rally Satoshi and he have all the proofs about that and he is able to show that proofs to all over the world then We should have to accept it that yes He is Satoshi, We should have to believe on Reality and not have to remain in dreams.

There is proof that satoshi is one person.
It is a consortium of people that create this one great project so all can benefit from it.

Er... your 2 statements are contradictory.
Are you saying that Satoshi is one person or a consortium of people?

My guess is that he wanted to say that Satoshi is NOT only one person. :)
This consortium idea is old and may be true too.

Its a possible route, why would the real satoshi come forward? pressure from others hmmm?

He will not reveal himself in the realism of fear and greedy parties that want him to promote their agenda.
Imagine if North Korea got their hands on him. It would be game over for the rest of all countries economies thus plunging us into World War III.

No, we should not have to refuse the real Satoshi. We should have to accept the claim of real Satoshi and it will never harm bitcoin but I think it will give more fame to bitcoin and someone will openly support bitcoin as father.

But with more people involved in the Bitcoin creation process it is exponentially harder to keep whole project a secret.
And until know we are still living in the dark without any solid proofs about Satoshi and early days of bitcoin.
Are we on a brink of Bitcoin 'impostors' era?

But unfortunately we all dont have 1 million coins which real Satoshi posses.and that what makes difference

"We are all satoshi" -- except non of us has control of $1 million bitcoins (almost half a billion usd) like Satoshi, so apparently one person does have extraordinary power over btc for as long as they want.

In any case, I think it is highly likely that one (NSA) or many intelligence agencies already know who Satoshi is.  At this point it may take an NSA leak to finally unmask him.  

No one is Satoshi untill the person in question shows valid proof by signing from Satoshi's old addresses. If that doesn't happen, then it's not Satoshi.

Thanks spazzdla, for speaking my mind! Hopefully the centralist powers will not succeed in persuading the user base that growth at any cost is more important than decentralization. Without decentralization, Bitcoin has no value. It's the very essence of why it was created: To be able to transact free, free of boundaries and free of oppressive central planners.

Whoever Satoshi is, he is no god we must worship. He just gave us a great gift for monetary freedom. We should all do our best to improve this gift wherever we can, because it will be necessary to withstand those who seek control.

ya.ya.yo!

As long as Satoshi isn't really the NSA, he/she can be anyone in the world for all I care. I'm good.

Actually, it should not even matter that much who he is. I still don't understand why people have this so called "Satoshi-obsession".

That is not conclusive proof.

1 Million BTC = 1 Million BTC; the fiat equivalent is irrelevant. Besides, nobody in their right mind would try to cash out a large portion at once.

Extremely doubtful.

I never said anything about cashing out large portions all at once.  And fiat equivalent is only irrelevant in crypto fantasy land.

You think the NSA and other intelligence agencies would be incapable of finding out, and/or uninterested in, this information?

Everyone can claim that easy, but in real claiming to be a Satoshi is not that much easy as a post here in this forum, you should have to answer a lot of questions and I think the real inventer should have to give his right of ownership, it will never affect bitcoin.

Wrong. The people who only see Bitcoin in fiat equivalent are improperly using it.

Just because they have access to a wast amount of information about the general population that does not mean that they can acquire information about anything they want. It would not be hard for sufficiently skilled people to create and keep a encrypted communication "line" between them. Additionally, it is very well possible to stay behind an alias (for a limited amount of time) without being discovered.

Regardless of whether he would 'come out' or not, he surely wouldn't try to attract this much attention while simultaneously stating that he does not want it (which is quite a unreasonable combination).

I am not Satoshi.

I doubt Satoshi would go quiet for years and then reveal himself for no apparent reason. I don't expect to ever find out her true identity, and I am happy with that.

Well basically Satoshi is someone who really mysterious, but I think he's really cool, like in the movies. he made a bitcoin, and then disappear, I just feel proud of him

i guess it doesn't matter if anyone refuse to believe anyone is satoshi.
as long as were here who loved Bitcoins, and believing by this thing we can save money through
this because of security,safetyness and convenient we will continue to use it. :D

shatoshi will never show himself

It doesn't matter what we believe anyway,satoshi is smart enough (obviously) to hide his real id so he will never harm bitcoin and protect himself.

It goes without saying that nobody should believe anybody is Satoshi. What happened to that Craig Wright bullshitter?

Nefarious government agency publishing open-source software? Now that's a new one.

Satoshi returned to hack the DAO?  :o

Sounds like you're trying to start a Cult.

actually I don't believe who the real satoshi is either since many threads talk about it. I mean, even we know who satoshi is, so what then? will he/she give those who know him/her bitcoins? I don't think so.

I do really agree that one person should not have the power to change the BTC as they wish, it will destroy bitcoin if something like that to happen, however we cant deny the satoshi existence, he is the one that created the bitcoin, so it can be said that we are the user of his creation, and we dont have enough power to stop what he want to do with his bitcoin creation

I have similar thoughts. The problem with human nature is when we don;t have enough logical information about something we are trying to create the missing puzzles on our own.
That is how religion was born. People tried to explain everything through it: weather phenomena, human behavior, death.

And we can see similar pattern here. We have no idea about origin of Bitcoin and we want to 'create' The Myth about Bitcoin Creation.

knowing who satoshi is, is not equal to being centralized! knowing who satoshi is means killing the anonymity that satoshi was looking for when created bitcoin in the first place, and i do believe that one of the reasons why we don't know the identity of satoshi is the same thing (anonymity).

If someone (Satoshi Nakamoto) created bitcoin,he/she has the power to change it.It`s common sense...

The creator usually has the power to change his creation.

Satoshi isn`t really involved into bitcoin right now,so i don`t think that he would change anything.

I think out there satoshi, which makes bitcoin so that we can feel its various advantages. and in my opinion it should be appreciated, negating satoshi same as disrespect. Thank you

Tbh I couldn't care less who Satoshi is or even whether he exists, I have always believed Bitcoin's strength is its decentralization. He/she/they deserves/deserve our admiration for starting the crypto currency revolution, but other than that, there's no need for a ruling authority.