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Im selling small lots of bitcoins on the Aussie ebay site to see how it goes.

I accept paypal and bank deposit at the moment.

A slightly different idea to promote BTC:

Most of us are users of ebay, I guess...

We could add a comment in all of our selling auctions "we also accept BITCOINS as payment" (see bitcoin.org) If you pay via BITCOINS, you will get a 10% discount.

Are payments handled buyer-to-seller on Ebay? Or does Ebay act as money middleman?

Yes I have paypal and direct bank deposit setup. Ebay takes a fee on the total cost.

I think ebay's reputation system will help untill we come up with something better.

So how would selling things for BTC as S3052 suggested work? You tell Ebay what the value of bitcoins is and pay them based on that?

I think in certain situations you can collect money in whichever way you please - however you must make one of their options available for use as well.

The money never really goes through ebay, it goes from Paypal user to paypal user, and ebay takes out their fee from Paypal later.

I just set the buy it now price. Ebay doesnt come in to it unless there is an issue. The paypal and bank account are mine not ebay's if you are wondering. Ebay just takes a fee when the item sells.

  Maybe a mybitcoin button could be included using the "other payment " option? There is an option to add html to the item description so its an intriguing idea.....

I tried to sell bitcoins on Amazon but there is no way to do it. What I have to do is manually accept bitcoins and buy the amazon products with my credit card.


Give me a suggestion on what you would like to buy through ebay for bitcoins and I will attempt to set it up.

I am thinking of dropshipping amazon products on ebay using bitcoins as payment but that seems like needless fees would be added.  Amazon has a thing called a webstore but i cant find how to set the prices in bitcoins. This really needs a coder to help setup.

That is intriguing.
Are there any eBay sellers on here with the experience to tell us if eBay would allow it?  If it is a legit option, I'll start a bounty with 100BTC for a developer to take this on in the next couple of weeks.

This is a list of their policies-


Accepted "other payment options"

    cash on pickup
bank-to-bank transfer (including by Internet banking)
cash on delivery
bank cheques and personal cheques
money orders
any of these online payment services: Allpay.net, Bidpay, Canadian Tire Money, cash2india, CertaPay, Checkfree.com, hyperwallet.com, Moneybookers.com, Nochex.com, Ozpay.biz, Propay.com, XOOM.


Payment methods not permitted on eBay.com.au
 Cash through the mail (cash on pickup or delivery is acceptable)
 Instant cash transfer services (non-bank, point-to-point cash transfers) such as Western Union or Moneygram
 Online or other payment methods not specifically permitted in this policy
 “Topping off” a seller’s pre-paid credit card or debit card

hmmm maybe "Online or other payment methods not specifically permitted in this policy" is where bitcoin sits.

LOL eBay accepts Canadian Tire money?  Well, it is the second national currency of Canada, and has a more solid backing than most of the fiat currencies around!

lmao it is pretty funny when you think about it.

I learn something new today! Canadian tires!

I have Canadian Tire money kicking around. Let me know if you want to trade Bitcoins for it. ;)

really? Id never heard of it before I found it mentioned on ebay!

Yup. A lot of local merchants in Canada accept it as money. I can actually go to a few bars near me and buy beer with Canadian Tire money. :P

It is a form of scrip actually, not money. It isn't legal tender here. It is "store credit". It is also completely unregulated by our government so it could be a good fit for Bitcoin.

I just added Canadian Tire money to Bitcoin4Cash.com, mostly for giggles. I'm also in the process of acquiring more of it. :D

Here is a photo of what the scrip looks like: http://www.pennylicious.com/images/2006-09/canadian-tire-money.jpg (http://www.pennylicious.com/images/2006-09/canadian-tire-money.jpg) It has standard security features such as microprint, raised ink, and planchettes.

The man on the notes is a fictional character called "Sandy McTire". Don't ask.  ::)

Probably your Dad!

Hahahahaha!  ;D

What would a crispy $10 Aus note get me in canadian tire money ?  :D

I don't know about the Australian ebay, but tire money is available for sale on ebay here in the States as well.

I didn't know you could get your hands on them in the USA. Hmm.. this could work.

noagendamarket: I would gladly trade you BTC for Canadian Tire money straight across with no commissions. I have a hard time actually trading AUD back to my customers or even converting it into CAD/USD. The local banks rip me off so bad on AUD to CAD exchange. (Almost 8%) :(

Haha! Forget creating a Bitcoin note to be circulated. We should just use unregulated can tire scrip. I can repatriate it as people need their BTC back. :P

Dude I could help you with your Aus dollar situation. I have an account at currencyfair linked to my bank which is the only way I can get money in. Send your notes to me and Ill swap them to US dollars and deposit them to your bank.

 ;D

Ive also got  coins I need to sell and dont want to pay  paypal "con"version fees. Whats the cost for insured mail from Canada to Aus? Send me a pm .

You have a PM. :)

If we could figure out a way to setup an exchange where people could sell their Canadian Tire money for bitcoins, that would:
1) probably be a news story in Canada
2) give bitcoin credibility with millions of Canadians

Now if we could figure out a way to get Tim Hortons to accept bitcoin!

Actually, expanding on the first idea.
If there are any loyalty/affinity programs (airline points, hotel points) that allow users to transfer their points online to other users, that might be a good place to implement bitcoin as a payment solution.  Likewise if there are any social games/online games that allow the transfer or points/gold/virtual currency...

Done. Bitcoin4Cash (http://www.bitcoin4cash.com/)


I'd gladly mail a Timcard to anyone who sent me Bitcoins for one. :)

Cheers!
The Madhatter

Madhatter,

Do you realize that, if your mailman ever finds about your business, you're screwed? I mean, you're clients will be... :-P

Cross your fingers for it to never happen! (or consider accepting named bank checks, but then your anonymity is gone...)

I have 8 mailboxes on different carrier routes. If I suspect something is up, I just switch addresses and change names. :)

You underestimate mr madhatter  :)

Yes, I did!  :P

Sorry for that!

http://bitcoin-otc.com can do canadian tire money - or any other form of currency. otc ftw. :)

wow, Canadian Tire money at the same rate as the Loonie!  Now that is a sweet deal.  Now to scour kijiji for Cdn Tire money at a discount.

Here's a tongue-in-check article on the Cdn Tire money economy: http://www.badeconomy.ca/corporate/277-canadian-tire-money-may-collapse-soon

I have to start the market rate somewhere. :P


That URL 404s for me. :( I already have people sending me Can Tire money! Haha. I'll eventually be able to buy that welder I always wanted!  Go Sandy McTire! :D

There is a bitcoin public relations coup in there somewhere.  If we can figure out how to leverage it....

Maybe on bourque.com or nationalnewswatch.com... thinking, thinking....

It just proves businesses love coupons...

Maybe we can follow the lead of ctm and introduce bitcoin coupons that are reedeemable for ...wait for it.....bitcoins  :o

http://www.ehow.com/how_5153358_make-own-coupons.html (http://www.ehow.com/how_5153358_make-own-coupons.html) this article tells you how to make coupons using microsoft office :)  

It could be a way to market  to your customers. For instance a bitcoin coupon when redeemed for goods might be worth 10 per cent back. To get the discount the customer just goes to mybitcoin and collects the refund deposited by the retailer. Just like cash as long as you didnt lose the coupon you would be able to redeem it...or trade it for something else.

Some companies give people codes to promote on the web and people can enter those at the checkout to get a discount,with the promoter getting a cut.

Official word from ebay on selling bitcoins on their site:

Well at least we know....

Is there anything stopping people buying products on behalf of other people ?

You mean like tangible goods? If you're trying to ship it to another address, you would have to convince the seller to allow it I'd think, but I don't think you'd have certain paypal protections if you did this.

You are probably right.

I cant even get a partner affiliate there to offer bitcoins when people use an ebay link to shop...

Ebay fail....

It is a pity that ebay does not allow bitcoins.

But this is not surprising because they own paypal, and they will do everything possible to defend it. (look at the last week's earning release from ebay. one key driver for profit growth was paypal...)

I think we need to find another way to make bitcoins used as payment vehicle , i.e.
* making biddingpond big (but this is tough, because first bitcoins needs to be more uniserval before enough people see this as an alternative to other auction companies)
* work with competitors of ebay (they may have an interest to fight against ebay / paypal)
* amazon
* etc.

Im waiting on a response from amazon about listing bitcoins in their marketplace. A decent front end to an amazon web store would be nice.

Another bank account based payment processor that I found is Alert Pay.

It is Canadian Based.  It requires a businesses and users to be verified, which will instill confidence with transactors.

It comes complete with API integration for a website.

Credit Card based transactions is also possible for the brave - but those preferring more secure, non-chargeback transactions - bank transfers are offered.

To get your FREE account with AlertPay, click on this link:  https://www.alertpay.com/?hr8ZCMa6QOBJpH0tRiiz3w%3d%3d

If you do not mind, I will get referral fees if you click on the link, as I have also gone through a lot of trouble of searching for a true, fully international, western based, stable payment processor alternative to paypal which offers bank transfers.

Hope this might assist you all in your international bank account transfer transaction dealings in Bitcoin.

From Alertpay's User Agreement:


Your alertpay will just be frozen. I do not recommend Alertpay.

Is Bitcoin a promise to pay (token, webmoney, e-currency, currency, voucher, etc., etc.,), or is it a unique license of ownership of a solution to a cryptographic problem?  If anybody would be stealing a Bitcoin (the solution to a cryptographic problem), they would be:

* Infringing on any third party's copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret or other property rights or rights of publicity or privacy.

and this also comes from the following acceptable use policy of AlertPay:

https://www.alertpay.com/en/agreements.aspx#6.0%20Acceptable%20Use%20and%20Activities%20Not%20Allowed

Is trading in an internet commodity called Bitcoin, (with its cryptographic key certificate intrinsic value) equivalent to issuing a promise to pay (token, webmoney, currency, etc., etc.) - or does it only represent its own intrinsic value (like licensed computer software)/salt/silver with its own specific unique properties?

See http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=815.msg12299#msg12299

Good luck trying to convince Alertpay that. My bet is they'll still call it e-cash.

Maybe we could ask ttbit to put up a wager, on whether Bitcoin will be considered currency / commodity when it sheds it beta status?

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1266.0

Well, ebay already considers it currency. I don't want to wager, but you can go ahead and e-mail alertpay if you're interested in their opinion. I'm sure they'll promptly reply.

Actually, You're creating unnecessary theories about it. They don't accept bitcoin simply because it is a currency. And they probably do not allow exchanging any currencies on their site, except for "collecting" reasons.

Im leaning towards prepaid cash sites such as ukash ,paynearme and paysafecards.

Why hasnt anyone started an exchange using those systems yet?

I could go to the local shopping centre and purchase a card which lets me buy bitcoins online.

Is there something I am missing?