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http://www.infowars.com/eu-proposes-government-id-to-use-internet/

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The original document can be found here. (https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/communication-online-platforms-and-digital-single-market-opportunities-and-challenges-europe)

By this they also want to control what people buy online and monitor everything. It's very concerning folks, bitcoin is in serious crap if this bill gets passed. Not only that but freedom of speech and privacy is at stake as well.

infowars...... take a pinch of salt when reading their "info"

the EU DRAFT did not say anything about FORCING everyone to only use a id card authorized by the EU. it said that websites should have an option to allow people to log in using a ID.

personally id love to register a bitcoin public key.. and have websites display some random text, and i have to sign the text using my private key (not on the website but separate/offline) and paste in the signed message into the website. for them to verify against the public key they have registered.
(ofcourse its just a public key i wont use to buy or sell things on, thus just a randomly generated keypair i use only for logging in)

that would stop keyloggers and bruteforcing. and also not having to give out email addresses or passwords that may have been used elsewhere as each login is a unique signature.

as for the OPs post. it seens he just copied the infowars summary that cut short the whole paragraph


the bit in green is what was left out,

now to explain the blue bit. its basically wanting places like facebook/google, for example.. to tell its customers how it uses its customers data. it is also saying when facebook/google allow you to log into other services/app/sites using the facebook/google login. it needs to explain to the customer what is being shared between the third party services.


and lastly the purple bit:
its not saying you can no longer log into facebook or your email or bank using you current username.. its not even saying from now you can only log in using your social security or passport numbers. its saying that people should have the choice of logging in with the facebook id, username or government ID.

though i do not think many libertarians will want to link their social security or passport numbers to things like facebook.. its a voluntary option

so relax.. its not a nazi germany law..

I know I know, but still it's very concerning. I`m freaked out right now.

If this bill gets passed who knows what they will do. They can just insta-ban all european bitcoin nodes. Prohibit every EU citizen to buy bitcoin or even worse.

If all hell breaks lose, they can change the TCP/IP protocol in europe, and create an intranet for europeans filtered through a "great firewall" like with china.

The battle over the freedom of internet is losing.

Option is usually a term they use as they stand over you with the water boarding.
Its the grind on us that people do not get upset because it seems small enough.
Then it becomes mandatory because it is working so well off fake stats they cook up.

If you want to understand infowars,give the call in segments a listen.  8)

It will be optional first, and mandatory later.Of course, thats always how it works. But this draft bill is a serious threat to bitcoin.

And mark my words other countries will implement these protocols as well not just EU.

So the entire internet is at risk!

This bill if real shows a clear misunderstanding about the inner workings of the internet, which is a decentralized computer network. The bill is completely unenforceable.

It wasn't just infowars that reported this there was a couple of British papers reported it aswell, just another step in the EU superstate/dictatorship

Oh but they will try to force ISP to change the TCP/IP protocol to a more "friendly" one.

They can cutoff entire Europe from the internet and create a great firewall like china and enforce the laws on the intranet.

They can force browsers to put backdoor in their software.

They can force operating systems to comply with this.

And other evil stuff.

I know, I rarely watch infowars nowadays but i just saw it in on youtube first on the thumbnails and i instantly got freaked out.

This is really the worst thing imaginable, we will live in total tyrrany if this gets passed.

EU has been quite good to Bitcoin, China is not. But Chinese trade more coins. Europe should be more pro demarcacy , pro free market, less control.

Anyone can be an ISP. Millions of people evade the chinese firewall each day, one statistic that is thrown around is that 80% of chinese use tools to evade the firewall. We already have open source browsers and operating systems that aren't backdoored, we'll just use and maintain those old versions or remove the backdoor code from the new one.

You can't "undo" technology or take it back. The technology that powers the internet is already in the hands of the people.

U.K has always liked dictating what is good for the population and then telling the rest of the world to follow suit.
I do see the problem being a lot more troubling because I recall a time before the internet when people ate everything the government fed them.
We could easily slip back into that ugly coma state and it will be business as usual. This grab at privacy needs to be brought out into the open so that even the dumb dumbs understand what they are giving up.

My comment about Infowars was not to make the link invalid,just to point out the mentality of the people that eat from that site as their main source of news.

the "article" in the daily mail was not wrote by a investigative reporter, but a commissioned blogger
the extract she grabbed was just 2 sentences of the part that info wars extracted.

basically a game of chinese whispers.. every time the message passes on.. a bit of understanding and context is lost.

she even goes on to say that the document was "leaked" and subsequently publicly released. kind of like trying to say she was part of an "exclusive" report that opens a big can of worms... yet there are no worms


i really wish people would read the source material before panicking over the headlines..
headlines are called clickbait..
short extracts are called out of context sentances

EU is a bunch of old people and they cant control even their economical situation how they will control something global like internet or how they can detroy something without borders like bitcoin?

If they destroy the internet they destroy bitcoin. Bitcoin cant exist without the internet.

they cant even destroy their foolishness how they will destroy something like bitcoin?

As stated above, infowars is typically heavily tainted with paranoia, and will aim to push their own narrative (along with every other news source) and thus a lot of what they say can't be taken as the truth without some independent research.

As for the claim that the EU would be doing something like this, I wouldn't be surprised, especially considering their "hate-speech" laws that they're trying to bring in, but I won't take this at face value for now. We'll find out what is accurate and what isn't soon enough.

SSure, the based some articles, news, and information on some website are made to make a plunge to someone. With false data, editing information and another way to make plunges to someone. It needs an independent research to verification about news, data or some information and it's can be trusted or not. But the intention of EU can we take from the statement always exists..

It is not the first EU bureaucrats are proposing some outright awful legislation. I guess Europeans remember ACTA?
Also horrid inventions like SOPA and PIPA? Do you remember what happened back then?

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA)

People will fight for free internet. It is the only medium that is left.

there has always been a battle between people wanting to keep their privacy and government wanting to snoop around in their private affairs. this is nothing new!

But people have been voluntarily sharing what they are doing throughout the day on Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, Twitch and many more social media sites. Also Google and Microsoft are datamining their users like crazy especially with Windows 10 which is designed to be a user statistics grabbing tool disguised as a free OS. Your common email providers are not giving you free anonymous email service either and God knows which government agency has been reading your 'private' mails. I mean we have been putting out our life for everyone to see like all day long all over the Internet and now we are worried about logging into websites by using our ID's instead of a username and a password? If this is an optional way to have access to my accounts it's not such a big deal but obviously this way of logging in won't be implemented in Bitcoin sites because it's against the Bitcoin 'pseudo anonymity' principle. By the way the Bitcoin exchanges already know who you are, where you live and what is your bank account, would you care much if you log in using your ID card there? I guess not :D

If using IDs to login becomes mandatory,i`ll stop using internet  >:( >:( >:(

What if someone hacks that system and steals all the ID information?

Bureaucratic idiots.... >:(

Exactly every country has the same issue, but in Europe bitcoin had made some impact over their economy. For this reason they were trying to get into people's personal.

I think this stuff would not be taken seriously, especially commissioning.

What I noticed is the fact it is suggested that a Communist. Look at North Korea, Russia, with their current relic of communism. Total control, paranoid desire for all to follow due to the destruction by the authorities of the state, and hence the excitement and discontent of citizens. They want to stop it and to plant in prison as the novel "1984" Orwell - thoughtcrime.

"Council of Europe Secretary General concerned about Internet censorship: Rules for blocking and removal of illegal content must be transparent and proportionate"

The UN recognized the Internet access a basic right cheloveka.Soglasno document adopted by the UN information network dissemination should be as free and limited only to those situations where it may lead to a violation of someone's rights.

I do not believe this nonsense. Many countries use or plan to use Bitcoin. Global banks and traders also. No one will it all just to destroy.

From this excerpt it doesn't look like they want to force people to use government/electronic IDs though. They're just proposing that online platforms offer people the option to use verifiable credentials. I think it's perfectly fine as long as people can choose not to use official IDs. One thing's for sure, people using their real credentials are a lot less likely to scam so when doing business these people will hold an advantage over those who prefer to remain anonymous. There are actually quite a few benefits to using official IDs.

its a fake news. how can they do so. is it possible for a state or so to control the world wide internet. not impossible. such kind of news always wandering in the market but of no use. these are just producing panic nothing less nothing more.

the last time i heard a funny news like this was US president talking about bitcoin (indirectly) which created a whole lot of meme about the swiss bank in your pocket thing. this one is not even close to it. :D

There will always be politicians with "funny" ideas. That doesn't mean that such idiotic things can and will happen.
But showing such "projects" in the newspaper increases the traffic and sales. It doesn't mean anything...

No I very much doubt it that this proposition for using personal ID as a means of login method will become mandatory at all. The EU officials are more likely trying to suggest this idea as an optional thing but I think it won't be successful anyway even if the bill gets passed. It's highly unlikely the EU users would prefer to share their personal information when they could continue using usernames and passwords as usual.

It's only a proposal, and it's not that different from what many websites are already doing.
When you register on facebook or linkedin, you are supposed to use your real ID. Same thing if you shop online. I guess what makes some politicians worry most is the travel websites where some companies offer the writing of fake comments as a service. You choose an hotel in Italy because you've read great comments about it, but they've all been written by Indians who have never left India. So it should not be compulsory, but there are many things where trust is important, hence the need for some control.

They can not destroy the internet!
Even if they could, this would have huge impacts on so many industries that in hindsight they would highly regret having done so.
So don't worry mate!

Indeed that was wonderful, even enemies join forces when there is a common threat.

But i fear they will package this as something unharmful, and slip it under our noses.

Tyrrany is always packaged in nice pink packages with pink wrapping.

when you sign a contract with an internet provider, you are already throwing away your identity imho, this is not much different

They will make it mandatory later....

Let me think, how should I store my password?

A) Open-source password manager that keeps passwords encrypted and 1 master password has to be remembered only
B) With bureocrats, that leave my personal ID info exposed to identity theft

It's a very hard choice folks!

Seriously, who will answer the poll with the second option. The way it is formulated even someone which is not anti-Brussels as me will never vote for that option !

That would be intresting to watch. Luckily you could transact bitconi without internet .. oh, only cash has such properties. Forgot.

The greater issue I see here is Facebook not the EU. There are many websites that force people to log in with Facebook, and we must keep in mind that Facebook is a member of the PRISM US government surveillance program. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29)

Avoiding the companies on this slide is a simple way to significantly reduce the risk of being spied upon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29#/media/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29#/media/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg)

@RealBitcoin what if that bureaucrats will ensure you that they will keep your stored passwords encrypted for example by MD5 algorithm?
This way it will be really hard for someone to know your private passwords neither hackers nor authorities will have easy access to it.

Funny read but worrying as well. Eu tried to control the currency and the bank interest is running in negative. But it is virtually impossible to control internet even after publishing government ID card for using internet.

Hackers know the ways to hide their ass. Now the normal people will also follow their ways. There are so many documents available in the internet on how to hide ur ass from the rest of the world. People will follow that.

Well I think it's a pretty obvious choice - I would like to use an open-source password manager with 1 master password and everything else encrypted within it. Actually I have been using a password manager for a while already and I must say it's a very convenient way of storing all my important passwords in one place. Now it's possible for me to use 15 or 20 character long sophisticated passwords which are very hard to remember otherwise. I think people who are concerned about their online security won't submit to using their ID's for logging in to their accounts even if the government requires them to. There will always be a way for circumventing this obstacle.

This is indeed a big thread to freedom of expression,people will resort to blackhat if ever they come to implement that  Europe is where freedom of speech started hundreds of years ago,their citizen will not allow that to happen..

People have a way to circumvent things they do not want to conform to, be it in the form of formal protests or riots or just creating applications to bypass these restrictions. We have several examples of this, private VPN's / Tor / p2p networks and also Crypto currencies.

In the end, these people are voted into these positions and they can also be removed from these positions, if they do not conform to the needs of the people. ^smile^

European Union is going to nowhere limiting freedom and destroying what was bulit for ages in Europe.
This idea is just another example how EU is working and directing.

I think that this idea will cost lot of money. EU will collect PI. But in real Internet no one can control everything and therefore I doubt of what is a main reason :(