EU wants to Control the Internet and Destroy Bitcoin

[RealBitcoin]

The European Union is proposing a government ID for using the Internet which will eradicate both on-line privacy and free speech.

http://www.infowars.com/eu-proposes-government-id-to-use-internet/

It is recognised that a multitude of username and password combinations is both inconvenient and a security risk. However, the frequent practice of using one’s platform profile to access a range of websites and services often involves non-transparent exchanges and cross- linkages of personal data between various online platforms and websites. As a remedy, in order to keep identification simple and secure, consumers should be able to choose the credentials by which they want to identify or authenticate themselves. In particular, online platforms should accept credentials issued or recognised by national public authorities, such as electronic or mobile IDs, national identity cards, or bank cards.

To sum it up, the EU wants to monitor everything Europeans do on-line by having all their Internet activities linked to a government ID which will annihilate on-line anonymity.

The original document can be found here.

By this they also want to control what people buy online and monitor everything. It's very concerning folks, bitcoin is in serious crap if this bill gets passed. Not only that but freedom of speech and privacy is at stake as well.

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[franky1]

infowars...... take a pinch of salt when reading their "info"

the EU DRAFT did not say anything about FORCING everyone to only use a id card authorized by the EU. it said that websites should have an option to allow people to log in using a ID.

personally id love to register a bitcoin public key.. and have websites display some random text, and i have to sign the text using my private key (not on the website but separate/offline) and paste in the signed message into the website. for them to verify against the public key they have registered.
(ofcourse its just a public key i wont use to buy or sell things on, thus just a randomly generated keypair i use only for logging in)

that would stop keyloggers and bruteforcing. and also not having to give out email addresses or passwords that may have been used elsewhere as each login is a unique signature.

as for the OPs post. it seens he just copied the infowars summary that cut short the whole paragraph

However, large parts of the public remain apprehensive about data collection and consider that more transparency is needed. Online platforms must respond to these concerns by more effectively informing users what personal data is collected and how it is shared and used, in line with the EU data protection framework.36 More generally, this issue includes the ways in which users identify themselves in order to access online platforms and services. It is recognised that a multitude of username and password combinations is both inconvenient and a security risk. However, the frequent practice of using one’s platform profile to access a range of websites and services often involves non-transparent exchanges and cross-linkages of personal data between various online platforms and websites. As a remedy, in order to keep identification simple and secure, consumers should be able to choose the credentials by which they want to identify or authenticate themselves. In particular, online platforms should accept credentials issued or recognised by national public authorities, such as electronic or mobile IDs, national identity cards, or bank cards.

the bit in green is what was left out,

now to explain the blue bit. its basically wanting places like facebook/google, for example.. to tell its customers how it uses its customers data. it is also saying when facebook/google allow you to log into other services/app/sites using the facebook/google login. it needs to explain to the customer what is being shared between the third party services.


and lastly the purple bit:
its not saying you can no longer log into facebook or your email or bank using you current username.. its not even saying from now you can only log in using your social security or passport numbers. its saying that people should have the choice of logging in with the facebook id, username or government ID.

though i do not think many libertarians will want to link their social security or passport numbers to things like facebook.. its a voluntary option

so relax.. its not a nazi germany law..

[RealBitcoin]

infowars...... take a pinch of salt when reading their "info"

I know I know, but still it's very concerning. I`m freaked out right now.

If this bill gets passed who knows what they will do. They can just insta-ban all european bitcoin nodes. Prohibit every EU citizen to buy bitcoin or even worse.

If all hell breaks lose, they can change the TCP/IP protocol in europe, and create an intranet for europeans filtered through a "great firewall" like with china.

The battle over the freedom of internet is losing.

[Evildrum]

Option is usually a term they use as they stand over you with the water boarding.
Its the grind on us that people do not get upset because it seems small enough.
Then it becomes mandatory because it is working so well off fake stats they cook up.

If you want to understand infowars,give the call in segments a listen. 

[RealBitcoin]

Option is usually a term they use as they stand over you with the water boarding.
Its the grind on us that people do not get upset because it seems small enough.
Then it becomes mandatory because it is working so well off fake stats they cook up.

If you want to understand infowars,give the call in segments a listen. 

It will be optional first, and mandatory later.Of course, thats always how it works. But this draft bill is a serious threat to bitcoin.

And mark my words other countries will implement these protocols as well not just EU.

So the entire internet is at risk!

[greyhawk]

This bill if real shows a clear misunderstanding about the inner workings of the internet, which is a decentralized computer network. The bill is completely unenforceable.

[calkob]

It wasn't just infowars that reported this there was a couple of British papers reported it aswell, just another step in the EU superstate/dictatorship

[RealBitcoin]

This bill if real shows a clear misunderstanding about the inner workings of the internet, which is a decentralized computer network. The bill is completely unenforceable.

Oh but they will try to force ISP to change the TCP/IP protocol to a more "friendly" one.

They can cutoff entire Europe from the internet and create a great firewall like china and enforce the laws on the intranet.

They can force browsers to put backdoor in their software.

They can force operating systems to comply with this.

And other evil stuff.

[RealBitcoin]

It wasn't just infowars that reported this there was a couple of British papers reported it aswell, just another step in the EU superstate/dictatorship

I know, I rarely watch infowars nowadays but i just saw it in on youtube first on the thumbnails and i instantly got freaked out.

This is really the worst thing imaginable, we will live in total tyrrany if this gets passed.

[mkc]

EU has been quite good to Bitcoin, China is not. But Chinese trade more coins. Europe should be more pro demarcacy , pro free market, less control.

[greyhawk]

Oh but they will try to force ISP to change the TCP/IP protocol to a more "friendly" one.

They can cutoff entire Europe from the internet and create a great firewall like china and enforce the laws on the intranet.

They can force browsers to put backdoor in their software.

They can force operating systems to comply with this.

And other evil stuff.

Anyone can be an ISP. Millions of people evade the chinese firewall each day, one statistic that is thrown around is that 80% of chinese use tools to evade the firewall. We already have open source browsers and operating systems that aren't backdoored, we'll just use and maintain those old versions or remove the backdoor code from the new one.

You can't "undo" technology or take it back. The technology that powers the internet is already in the hands of the people.

[Evildrum]

U.K has always liked dictating what is good for the population and then telling the rest of the world to follow suit.
I do see the problem being a lot more troubling because I recall a time before the internet when people ate everything the government fed them.
We could easily slip back into that ugly coma state and it will be business as usual. This grab at privacy needs to be brought out into the open so that even the dumb dumbs understand what they are giving up.

My comment about Infowars was not to make the link invalid,just to point out the mentality of the people that eat from that site as their main source of news.

[franky1]

It wasn't just infowars that reported this there was a couple of British papers reported it aswell, just another step in the EU superstate/dictatorship

the "article" in the daily mail was not wrote by a investigative reporter, but a commissioned blogger
the extract she grabbed was just 2 sentences of the part that info wars extracted.

basically a game of chinese whispers.. every time the message passes on.. a bit of understanding and context is lost.

she even goes on to say that the document was "leaked" and subsequently publicly released. kind of like trying to say she was part of an "exclusive" report that opens a big can of worms... yet there are no worms


i really wish people would read the source material before panicking over the headlines..
headlines are called clickbait..
short extracts are called out of context sentances

[chek2fire]

EU is a bunch of old people and they cant control even their economical situation how they will control something global like internet or how they can detroy something without borders like bitcoin?

[RealBitcoin]

EU is a bunch of old people and they cant control even their economical situation how they will control something global like internet or how they can detroy something without borders like bitcoin?

If they destroy the internet they destroy bitcoin. Bitcoin cant exist without the internet.

[chek2fire]

EU is a bunch of old people and they cant control even their economical situation how they will control something global like internet or how they can detroy something without borders like bitcoin?

If they destroy the internet they destroy bitcoin. Bitcoin cant exist without the internet.

they cant even destroy their foolishness how they will destroy something like bitcoin?

[MingLee]

As stated above, infowars is typically heavily tainted with paranoia, and will aim to push their own narrative (along with every other news source) and thus a lot of what they say can't be taken as the truth without some independent research.

As for the claim that the EU would be doing something like this, I wouldn't be surprised, especially considering their "hate-speech" laws that they're trying to bring in, but I won't take this at face value for now. We'll find out what is accurate and what isn't soon enough.

[X-ray]

As stated above, infowars is typically heavily tainted with paranoia, and will aim to push their own narrative (along with every other news source) and thus a lot of what they say can't be taken as the truth without some independent research.

As for the claim that the EU would be doing something like this, I wouldn't be surprised, especially considering their "hate-speech" laws that they're trying to bring in, but I won't take this at face value for now. We'll find out what is accurate and what isn't soon enough.

SSure, the based some articles, news, and information on some website are made to make a plunge to someone. With false data, editing information and another way to make plunges to someone. It needs an independent research to verification about news, data or some information and it's can be trusted or not. But the intention of EU can we take from the statement always exists..

[Hazir]

It is not the first EU bureaucrats are proposing some outright awful legislation. I guess Europeans remember ACTA?
Also horrid inventions like SOPA and PIPA? Do you remember what happened back then?

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA

People will fight for free internet. It is the only medium that is left.

[pooya87]

there has always been a battle between people wanting to keep their privacy and government wanting to snoop around in their private affairs. this is nothing new!