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Title: Avalon 7 Post by: toptek on June 07, 2016, 12:06:35 PM Email just came
Dear , This is Sonia from Avalon team. You are one of our customer who bought our device Avalon6 in the beginning of this year. I wonder if you have some problems during installing or using. How is bitcoin mining revenue ? Your advice will help us improve our service and upcoming product Avalon 7. Do you have future plan to reinvest in bitcoin mining field ? Feel free to contact Avalon team -- ~~~~ Sonia Sales +86 15321568556 Skype:Sonia Xu https://canaan.io https://twitter.com/canaanio ZPark 23#, 307, Haidian, Beijing, China. ZIP: 100094 ~~~~ Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on June 07, 2016, 01:02:46 PM I like what I am reading. However, I wonder how long it is going to take before the "upcoming product Avalon 7" is actually shipping.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: sidehack on June 07, 2016, 01:06:03 PM Given how late they were saying they weren't working on 14/16nm, Christmas might not be a stretch.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: dogie on June 07, 2016, 01:09:06 PM Given how late they were saying they weren't working on 14/16nm, Christmas might not be a stretch. Indeed. They had actively decided to sidestep this shitstorm of a generation and seems it was a good idea. Bitfury *appears* to have messed theirs up, Spondoolies died trying to raise money for it, KNC *appears* to have messed up it* and only Bitmain *appears* to have a successful public chip. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on June 07, 2016, 02:02:51 PM Email just came Dear , This is Sonia from Avalon team. You are one of our customer who bought our device Avalon6 in the beginning of this year. I wonder if you have some problems during installing or using. How is bitcoin mining revenue ? Your advice will help us improve our service and upcoming product Avalon 7. Do you have future plan to reinvest in bitcoin mining field ? Feel free to contact Avalon team -- ~~~~ Sonia Sales +86 15321568556 Skype:Sonia Xu https://canaan.io https://twitter.com/canaanio ZPark 23#, 307, Haidian, Beijing, China. ZIP: 100094 ~~~~ Dear Sonia, I did 2 groups sales of about 40 units of avalon 6's Good gear. With a few faults. You have 4 pcie jacks and the gear can pull 1000 watts dc. This means 250 watts dc per pcie jack. If you next unit pulls the same 1000 watts dc please use 6 pcie jacks. So each one pulls only about 170 watts. Also the avalon 6 was a bit less efficient then the early s-7 . If you could make the avalon 7 a littler better then the s-9 power efficient wise please do so. A 900 watt 10th machine with 6 pcie jacks would be ideal. Thank you , Philipma1957 of bitcointalk. If I get this email this is how I will answer them. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: spazzdla on June 07, 2016, 02:20:35 PM I hope they make a 400ish Watt unit.. that market has nothing at the moment..
(Although I am pretty sure you all know I want this lol) This is good news, we need more ASIC companies. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on June 07, 2016, 02:38:06 PM I hope they make a 400ish Watt unit.. that market has nothing at the moment.. (Although I am pretty sure you all know I want this lol) This is good news, we need more ASIC companies. I could use a 400 watt one myself , but I am not sure they will build one. A 900 watt with 6 pcie jacks or better yet a 640 watt one with 4 pcie jacks is more likely . I really want them to take a page from bitmaintech which is the correct amount of btc jacks for the hash boards. 9 jacks on the s-9 and s-7 for about 1350 watts dc is about 150 watts a jack truly much safer then the: avalon 6 4 jacks 1000 watts avalon 4.1 4 jacks 1000 watts Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: ITOP on June 07, 2016, 02:41:22 PM It is a pity , always one little step late than bitmain.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on June 07, 2016, 03:07:17 PM I hope they make a 400ish Watt unit.. that market has nothing at the moment.. (Although I am pretty sure you all know I want this lol) This is good news, we need more ASIC companies. I could use a 400 watt one myself , but I am not sure they will build one. A 900 watt with 6 pcie jacks or better yet a 640 watt one with 4 pcie jacks is more likely . I really want them to take a page from bitmaintech which is the correct amount of btc jacks for the hash boards. 9 jacks on the s-9 and s-7 for about 1350 watts dc is about 150 watts a jack truly much safer then the: avalon 6 4 jacks 1000 watts avalon 4.1 4 jacks 1000 watts yeah the 6s run on 1200 watt atx psu's. even on good 1000 watt atx psu's. my biggest grip was the 4 jacks for 1000 watts. if they make the 7 with 6 jacks and use 900 watts and do 10th it would be superior to the s-9 Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HerbPean on June 07, 2016, 03:27:04 PM This is good news, we need more ASIC companies. Yeah ! That's great news ! Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on June 07, 2016, 04:42:18 PM I hope they make a 400ish Watt unit.. that market has nothing at the moment.. (Although I am pretty sure you all know I want this lol) This is good news, we need more ASIC companies. I could use a 400 watt one myself , but I am not sure they will build one. A 900 watt with 6 pcie jacks or better yet a 640 watt one with 4 pcie jacks is more likely . I really want them to take a page from bitmaintech which is the correct amount of btc jacks for the hash boards. 9 jacks on the s-9 and s-7 for about 1350 watts dc is about 150 watts a jack truly much safer then the: avalon 6 4 jacks 1000 watts avalon 4.1 4 jacks 1000 watts yeah the 6s run on 1200 watt atx psu's. even on good 1000 watt atx psu's. my biggest grip was the 4 jacks for 1000 watts. if they make the 7 with 6 jacks and use 900 watts and do 10th it would be superior to the s-9 Yeah we know they charge a premium, but if made a little more like the avalon 4.1 then the avalon 6 especially if it is clearly under the 1000 watts. 850-925 watts max scattered them around the house for the fall and winter. They would capture the home market with ease. I am looking forward to doing a group buy of these like I did for the avalon 6. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Mr. Kashif on June 07, 2016, 08:55:34 PM Given how late they were saying they weren't working on 14/16nm, Christmas might not be a stretch. Indeed. They had actively decided to sidestep this shitstorm of a generation and seems it was a good idea. Bitfury *appears* to have messed theirs up, Spondoolies died trying to raise money for it, KNC *appears* to have messed up it* and only Bitmain *appears* to have a successful public chip. Well, Bruh! I don't know how true this is but some people from my side India claim to have cut a deal with bitfury regarding their container and soon they're going to have a test run. According to this it seems like BF is still in business. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And I don't know why people claiming to invest $11.2M would lie. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: yslyung on June 07, 2016, 09:37:30 PM all of you guys forgotten to mention the MOST IMPORTANT comment or request :
PRICE ! it has to be lower or equivalent to a S9 within the specs range. TY Avalon team. p/s : will be replacing & expanding mining ops, 30 x S9's in the plan. If A7 can beat it then I will most likely go for A7 Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Swimmer63 on June 07, 2016, 10:27:47 PM all of you guys forgotten to mention the MOST IMPORTANT comment or request : PRICE ! it has to be lower or equivalent to a S9 within the specs range. TY Avalon team. p/s : will be replacing & expanding mining ops, 30 x S9's in the plan. If A7 can beat it then I will most likely go for A7 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw the A6 as more expensive than the S7 based on $ per TH/s. Not sure though. I never bought one. I would not be surprised if Avalon comes out with a miner that is around 9-11Th/s and .15 J/GH for $1600. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: notlist3d on June 07, 2016, 10:41:23 PM all of you guys forgotten to mention the MOST IMPORTANT comment or request : PRICE ! it has to be lower or equivalent to a S9 within the specs range. TY Avalon team. p/s : will be replacing & expanding mining ops, 30 x S9's in the plan. If A7 can beat it then I will most likely go for A7 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw the A6 as more expensive than the S7 based on $ per TH/s. Not sure though. I never bought one. I would not be surprised if Avalon comes out with a miner that is around 9-11Th/s and .15 J/GH for $1600. It was higher priced but it kinda fitted a market other miners did not. It was geared where 110/120 ATX psu's could power it up easily. Also it was a "quieter" miner, not as quiet as the 4.1 but still quiet. My big things would be what efficiency they hit with it. And of course price per hash. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on June 07, 2016, 11:11:22 PM all of you guys forgotten to mention the MOST IMPORTANT comment or request : PRICE ! it has to be lower or equivalent to a S9 within the specs range. TY Avalon team. p/s : will be replacing & expanding mining ops, 30 x S9's in the plan. If A7 can beat it then I will most likely go for A7 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw the A6 as more expensive than the S7 based on $ per TH/s. Not sure though. I never bought one. I would not be surprised if Avalon comes out with a miner that is around 9-11Th/s and .15 J/GH for $1600. I rather it do .9 watts a gh. the avalon 6's could get to .29 watts a gh the later batch s-7's were .30 watts a gh the older batch 2 s-7 I have could do .248 watts a th. if the new avalon 7 could do .9 watts say 900 watts for 10th better yet 875 watts per 10th it could cost more per gh the the newer s-9 and be worth it. right now 14000 gh 2100 usd = 15 cents a gh. if the avalon 7 was 875 watts 10th it would be okat at 17 cents a gh or 1700usd if avalon would sell me 2 for 3400. but they need the specs above and I need them shipped right now. I would send the coins right now and do a free 25 photo spread on how they work. and run a no profit for me group buy like I did for the sixes. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: NotFuzzyWarm on June 07, 2016, 11:44:18 PM Given how late they were saying they weren't working on 14/16nm, Christmas might not be a stretch. Indeed. They had actively decided to sidestep this shitstorm of a generation and seems it was a good idea. Bitfury *appears* to have messed theirs up, Spondoolies died trying to raise money for it, KNC *appears* to have messed up it* and only Bitmain *appears* to have a successful public chip. Well, Bruh! I don't know how true this is but some people from my side India claim to have cut a deal with bitfury regarding their container and soon they're going to have a test run. According to this it seems like BF is still in business. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And I don't know why people claiming to invest $11.2M would lie. No doubt the smaller integrators got some to play with and test out but.... Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: leowonderful on June 08, 2016, 01:18:57 AM all of you guys forgotten to mention the MOST IMPORTANT comment or request : PRICE ! it has to be lower or equivalent to a S9 within the specs range. TY Avalon team. p/s : will be replacing & expanding mining ops, 30 x S9's in the plan. If A7 can beat it then I will most likely go for A7 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw the A6 as more expensive than the S7 based on $ per TH/s. Not sure though. I never bought one. I would not be surprised if Avalon comes out with a miner that is around 9-11Th/s and .15 J/GH for $1600. I rather it do .9 watts a gh. the avalon 6's could get to .29 watts a gh the later batch s-7's were .30 watts a gh the older batch 2 s-7 I have could do .248 watts a th. if the new avalon 7 could do .9 watts say 900 watts for 10th better yet 875 watts per 10th it could cost more per gh the the newer s-9 and be worth it. right now 14000 gh 2100 usd = 15 cents a gh. if the avalon 7 was 875 watts 10th it would be okat at 17 cents a gh or 1700usd if avalon would sell me 2 for 3400. but they need the specs above and I need them shipped right now. I would send the coins right now and do a free 25 photo spread on how they work. and run a no profit for me group buy like I did for the sixes. Unless Avalon reaches some 0.06w/gh or so, by the time the miner actually becomes released to the public, it'll probably be obsolete. Bitmain is months ahead (possibly) of everybody and EVEN Bitfury will be behind them. This will most likely be a useless miner and have no profit for anybody. If anything, if this is even 0.08w/gh it'll still be a waste of research and manufacturing. Not real optimistic about the avalon 7. Who knows, by the time this thing comes out, Bitmain could be started on an even more efficient chip. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: QuintLeo on June 08, 2016, 07:16:15 AM all of you guys forgotten to mention the MOST IMPORTANT comment or request : PRICE ! it has to be lower or equivalent to a S9 within the specs range. TY Avalon team. p/s : will be replacing & expanding mining ops, 30 x S9's in the plan. If A7 can beat it then I will most likely go for A7 I don't believe Avalon has EVER matched Bitmain on a GH/$ basis, always have had a bit of a premium. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Mr. Kashif on June 08, 2016, 08:23:25 AM Given how late they were saying they weren't working on 14/16nm, Christmas might not be a stretch. Indeed. They had actively decided to sidestep this shitstorm of a generation and seems it was a good idea. Bitfury *appears* to have messed theirs up, Spondoolies died trying to raise money for it, KNC *appears* to have messed up it* and only Bitmain *appears* to have a successful public chip. Well, Bruh! I don't know how true this is but some people from my side India claim to have cut a deal with bitfury regarding their container and soon they're going to have a test run. According to this it seems like BF is still in business. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And I don't know why people claiming to invest $11.2M would lie. No doubt the smaller integrators got some to play with and test out but.... So, basically bitfury is going behind big bucks and not giving a fuck about decentralization. How ironic. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Unacceptable on June 08, 2016, 09:43:43 AM Given how late they were saying they weren't working on 14/16nm, Christmas might not be a stretch. Indeed. They had actively decided to sidestep this shitstorm of a generation and seems it was a good idea. Bitfury *appears* to have messed theirs up, Spondoolies died trying to raise money for it, KNC *appears* to have messed up it* and only Bitmain *appears* to have a successful public chip. Well, Bruh! I don't know how true this is but some people from my side India claim to have cut a deal with bitfury regarding their container and soon they're going to have a test run. According to this it seems like BF is still in business. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And I don't know why people claiming to invest $11.2M would lie. No doubt the smaller integrators got some to play with and test out but.... So, basically bitfury is going behind big bucks and not giving a fuck about decentralization. How ironic. Why is anyone surprised?? Profit is profit,bitches!! :D Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: dogie on June 08, 2016, 12:17:59 PM Given how late they were saying they weren't working on 14/16nm, Christmas might not be a stretch. Indeed. They had actively decided to sidestep this shitstorm of a generation and seems it was a good idea. Bitfury *appears* to have messed theirs up, Spondoolies died trying to raise money for it, KNC *appears* to have messed up it* and only Bitmain *appears* to have a successful public chip. Well, Bruh! I don't know how true this is but some people from my side India claim to have cut a deal with bitfury regarding their container and soon they're going to have a test run. According to this it seems like BF is still in business. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And I don't know why people claiming to invest $11.2M would lie. No doubt the smaller integrators got some to play with and test out but.... So, basically bitfury is going behind big bucks and not giving a fuck about decentralization. How ironic. Why is anyone surprised?? Profit is profit,bitches!! :D But promises are also promises. The thing that irks me about the Bitfury situation is (as I said on release) they love to spam PR with their expensive firm and then totally renege on the promises they made. I mean, if you don't think you're going to actually do what you said, why don't you just not say it and annoy everyone later? Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Mr. Kashif on June 08, 2016, 01:58:23 PM Given how late they were saying they weren't working on 14/16nm, Christmas might not be a stretch. Indeed. They had actively decided to sidestep this shitstorm of a generation and seems it was a good idea. Bitfury *appears* to have messed theirs up, Spondoolies died trying to raise money for it, KNC *appears* to have messed up it* and only Bitmain *appears* to have a successful public chip. Well, Bruh! I don't know how true this is but some people from my side India claim to have cut a deal with bitfury regarding their container and soon they're going to have a test run. According to this it seems like BF is still in business. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And I don't know why people claiming to invest $11.2M would lie. No doubt the smaller integrators got some to play with and test out but.... So, basically bitfury is going behind big bucks and not giving a fuck about decentralization. How ironic. Why is anyone surprised?? Profit is profit,bitches!! :D But promises are also promises. The thing that irks me about the Bitfury situation is (as I said on release) they love to spam PR with their expensive firm and then totally renege on the promises they made. I mean, if you don't think you're going to actually do what you said, why don't you just not say it and annoy everyone later? One word Mr. Dogie. 'Business'. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: sidehack on June 08, 2016, 02:28:49 PM http://www.dictionary.com/browse/integrity
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HerbPean on June 08, 2016, 03:10:45 PM We can complain that Avalon sell their hardware at higher cost then Bitmain but what about the quality of the build ?
In my honest opinion => Avalon > Bitmain How many small miner have been screwed because they had a faulty S7 ? (I think I red a few in the Bitmain thread) You buy 3-4-5 units, it only takes 1 units to screw everything. To be fair ... I have 7 A6 and 8 S7 and I have no failure. I have 4 S7-F1 ... one fan = bad, they will be upgraded with an extra fan. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: yslyung on June 08, 2016, 07:30:20 PM http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/
??? Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: alh on June 08, 2016, 08:01:51 PM http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/ ??? Does the acquiring company (aka "Shandong Luyitong Intelligent Electric PLC") use another name I might be familiar with? I am woefully ignorant of many Chinese companies, but the article suggests that I should have heard of them. Any good hints or clues? Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: notlist3d on June 08, 2016, 08:06:46 PM http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/ Well this sure changes things if this is 100% correct, I wonder what the purchase plans are. Continue making home miners or challenge Bitmain for warehouse market.??? Very interesting it makes me wonder if they are closer to a Avalon 7 then I thought. With a evaluation with that it seems the ones buying must see something there they would want... so maybe new chips? All speculations I guess. I read it wrong for a second. But very big new's will be interesting to see what comes out of Avalon after this. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on June 08, 2016, 09:09:44 PM ... But very big new's will be interesting to see what comes out of Avalon after this. At this news, I wonder if Avalon will ever release another product.Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: notlist3d on June 08, 2016, 09:15:21 PM ... But very big new's will be interesting to see what comes out of Avalon after this. At this news, I wonder if Avalon will ever release another product.I'm hoping the company that bought them allows them to continue as they have been. Hopefully they continue to sell direct to customers, and through BlockC. Both were way's to purchase. Something interesting now going to https://canaan.io/en/ I don't see a store but a email to order. Did this just happen with being purchased? Or was it like this for a while I had not looked at it in a little while. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on June 08, 2016, 09:21:20 PM .. You mean the Avalon 6 sales? Yep, it has been like that for a while.Something interesting now going to https://canaan.io/en/ I don't see a store but a email to order. Did this just happen with being purchased? Or was it like this for a while I had not looked at it in a little while. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: dogie on June 08, 2016, 09:39:58 PM ... But very big new's will be interesting to see what comes out of Avalon after this. At this news, I wonder if Avalon will ever release another product.I am so damn happy for the team, its great to see the good guys win for once. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Unacceptable on June 08, 2016, 10:24:39 PM ... But very big new's will be interesting to see what comes out of Avalon after this. At this news, I wonder if Avalon will ever release another product.I am so damn happy for the team, its great to see the good guys win for once. You don't think they'll hoard those new gen chips & start a farm,ala KnC ??? Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: NotFuzzyWarm on June 08, 2016, 10:32:51 PM As I mentioned in the s9 thread but certainly more on-topic here,
<snip> IMHO it could well be that since Canaan Creative chose to be late to the 16/14nm node they (major stakeholders) decided to take the money and retire to a nice private island somewhere. As long as their IP does now belong to an "Angel" company with it's eye on the miner market (and we don't know that yet), then cool. Even cooler would be if Avalon has low-node designs in the works but never put to silicon. With the new ownership it opens the door to them maybe using Global Foundries and go 14nm. Nice safe location (upstate NY) and as far as I know, GF is open to all customers. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: notlist3d on June 08, 2016, 11:50:22 PM As I mentioned in the s9 thread but certainly more on-topic here, <snip> IMHO it could well be that since Canaan Creative chose to be late to the 16/14nm node they (major stakeholders) decided to take the money and retire to a nice private island somewhere. As long as their IP does now belong to an "Angel" company with it's eye on the miner market (and we don't know that yet), then cool. Even cooler would be if Avalon has low-node designs in the works but never put to silicon. With the new ownership it opens the door to them maybe using Global Foundries and go 14nm. Nice safe location (upstate NY) and as far as I know, GF is open to all customers. I would not bet on them moving to "upstate NY". I think they will continue to work with the foundries in China, I don't see change of ownership moving it to that but I could be wrong. All speculation I guess. My biggest thing is I hope they continue to sell to small customers like me and other hobby miners. But guess time will tell on that. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on June 09, 2016, 12:44:34 AM As I mentioned in the s9 thread but certainly more on-topic here, <snip> IMHO it could well be that since Canaan Creative chose to be late to the 16/14nm node they (major stakeholders) decided to take the money and retire to a nice private island somewhere. As long as their IP does now belong to an "Angel" company with it's eye on the miner market (and we don't know that yet), then cool. Even cooler would be if Avalon has low-node designs in the works but never put to silicon. With the new ownership it opens the door to them maybe using Global Foundries and go 14nm. Nice safe location (upstate NY) and as far as I know, GF is open to all customers. I like upstate ny. I hope this works for all of us. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: NotFuzzyWarm on June 09, 2016, 01:01:31 AM As I mentioned in the s9 thread but certainly more on-topic here, <snip> IMHO it could well be that since Canaan Creative chose to be late to the 16/14nm node they (major stakeholders) decided to take the money and retire to a nice private island somewhere. As long as their IP does now belong to an "Angel" company with it's eye on the miner market (and we don't know that yet), then cool. Even cooler would be if Avalon has low-node designs in the works but never put to silicon. With the new ownership it opens the door to them maybe using Global Foundries and go 14nm. Nice safe location (upstate NY) and as far as I know, GF is open to all customers. I like upstate ny. I hope this works for all of us. No earthquakes/Tsunami's, great country infra for getting supplies (Korea is still a nightmare. Just try to find a local(ish) store selling say, a common glass 3AG fuse is neigh impossible even in or near the major cities. In the US? Go to the hardware store.) More to the point, GF is using 14nm tech licensed from Samsung and has few(er) Tier-1 customers so production availability should not be a problem. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: generalt on June 09, 2016, 02:46:52 AM Am I the only one worried that this Shandong Luyiton company now owns Canaan Creative and is also in bed with Bitmain?
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on June 09, 2016, 03:06:51 AM Am I the only one worried that this Shandong Luyiton company now owns Canaan Creative and is also in bed with Bitmain? that is bad if it is the case. it also explains the 466 million price. just buy yourself a monopoly . Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: sidehack on June 09, 2016, 03:08:27 AM In what? A monopoly is only worthwhile if you intend to abuse it, but if you abuse this coin it disappears.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: notlist3d on June 09, 2016, 03:10:24 AM Am I the only one worried that this Shandong Luyiton company now owns Canaan Creative and is also in bed with Bitmain? that is bad if it is the case. it also explains the 466 million price. just buy yourself a monopoly . If they do they will be hard to beat. Those are the two companies we could count on with consumer gear. So hopefully they remain split from a selfish standpoint. But there is still some bigger "commercial" companies out there with BW and Bitfury. And hopefully we see some gear for hobby/home from BW at a point. But as of right now Bitmain seems to be king with S9 release. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on June 09, 2016, 03:20:41 AM A little about the buyers from their website : http://www.luyitong.com/en/about/aboutlyt.shtml handong Luyitong Intelligent Electric PLC. (hereafter called LYT Electric), founded in 2003 and covering an area of 178,000 square meters with registered capital of RMB 88 million Yuan, is a high-tech enterprise that specializes in R&D, production and marketing of the high & low voltage electrical complete equipment The main production of LYT Electric is 40.5KV and below high & low voltage electrical complete equipment, as well as intelligent prefabricated substations, insulated busduct, and cable bridges, etc., such as KYN-40.5, HXGN17-12、KYN28-12、XGN2-12、GGD、GCK、GCS、MNS、ZNYBW ,etc. LYT Electric is one of the earliest enterprises in the industry that studied intelligent technology and put it into production. The company has successively developed a series of intelligent complete equipment, four of which has passed the Provincial Scientific and Technological Achievement Appraisal, three listed in the Provincial Science and Technology Development Plan, and one in the National Torch Plan. The technology in of the lead position of domestic level, and products have been identified as “Shandong Provincial Brand Products”. Looking at their products it seems many extreme things used for power companies, nothing they own has anything to sell to general customers. I think they are going to use their customers to make money, offer them a discount on their products for so much free power or cheap power and run a warehouse of miners for cheaper than anyone else can. just what is needed for btc a 100 megawatt farm at 3 cents a kwatt. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: QuintLeo on June 09, 2016, 07:36:22 AM Am I the only one worried that this Shandong Luyiton company now owns Canaan Creative and is also in bed with Bitmain? How are they in bed with Bitmain? I'm also wondering if the Caanan purchace was 466 million DOLLARS equivilent, 466 million YUAN (which is a lot less, though still seems a little high unless Caanan was a LOT further along on their 14/16nm chip than I thought they could be), or 466 million what - I can't find out which of those is the actual amount anywhere I've looked. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: generalt on June 09, 2016, 11:23:02 AM Am I the only one worried that this Shandong Luyiton company now owns Canaan Creative and is also in bed with Bitmain? How are they in bed with Bitmain? I'm also wondering if the Caanan purchace was 466 million DOLLARS equivilent, 466 million YUAN (which is a lot less, though still seems a little high unless Caanan was a LOT further along on their 14/16nm chip than I thought they could be), or 466 million what - I can't find out which of those is the actual amount anywhere I've looked. I'm not sure. It's just from what I read in this article http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/ (http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/) In a separate Twitter post, Jihan Wu, CEO of China-based bitcoin mining firm Bitmain, reported that the firm was to be publicly listed through its relationship with Shandong Luyitong, and that it is seeking to raise ¥0.67bn at a valuation of ¥3.1bn. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: notlist3d on June 09, 2016, 10:19:56 PM Am I the only one worried that this Shandong Luyiton company now owns Canaan Creative and is also in bed with Bitmain? How are they in bed with Bitmain? I'm also wondering if the Caanan purchace was 466 million DOLLARS equivilent, 466 million YUAN (which is a lot less, though still seems a little high unless Caanan was a LOT further along on their 14/16nm chip than I thought they could be), or 466 million what - I can't find out which of those is the actual amount anywhere I've looked. I'm not sure. It's just from what I read in this article http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/ (http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/) In a separate Twitter post, Jihan Wu, CEO of China-based bitcoin mining firm Bitmain, reported that the firm was to be publicly listed through its relationship with Shandong Luyitong, and that it is seeking to raise ¥0.67bn at a valuation of ¥3.1bn. This thread looks like it was moved to speculation. The tweet from Jihan was interesting and we can speculate all day on it. I'm personally not sure if he was not just congratulating a friend. I could be wrong and you can read deep into it thinking he wan't investors... but I'm not sure I see enough to back it up. So guess that is why it's speculation. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: QuintLeo on June 10, 2016, 06:59:47 AM Am I the only one worried that this Shandong Luyiton company now owns Canaan Creative and is also in bed with Bitmain? How are they in bed with Bitmain? I'm also wondering if the Caanan purchace was 466 million DOLLARS equivilent, 466 million YUAN (which is a lot less, though still seems a little high unless Caanan was a LOT further along on their 14/16nm chip than I thought they could be), or 466 million what - I can't find out which of those is the actual amount anywhere I've looked. I'm not sure. It's just from what I read in this article http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/ (http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/) In a separate Twitter post, Jihan Wu, CEO of China-based bitcoin mining firm Bitmain, reported that the firm was to be publicly listed through its relationship with Shandong Luyitong, and that it is seeking to raise ¥0.67bn at a valuation of ¥3.1bn. The author of that article appears to have MISread or MISunderstood that twitter post - the Twitter post is about AVALON/Caanan Creative seeking to raise that 0.67billion Yuan, NOT Bitmain. Isn't it fun to deal with very sloppy standards of journalism that fail to check facts before they report them IN ERROR? Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: notlist3d on June 10, 2016, 12:55:07 PM Am I the only one worried that this Shandong Luyiton company now owns Canaan Creative and is also in bed with Bitmain? How are they in bed with Bitmain? I'm also wondering if the Caanan purchace was 466 million DOLLARS equivilent, 466 million YUAN (which is a lot less, though still seems a little high unless Caanan was a LOT further along on their 14/16nm chip than I thought they could be), or 466 million what - I can't find out which of those is the actual amount anywhere I've looked. I'm not sure. It's just from what I read in this article http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/ (http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-asic-acquired-avalon/) In a separate Twitter post, Jihan Wu, CEO of China-based bitcoin mining firm Bitmain, reported that the firm was to be publicly listed through its relationship with Shandong Luyitong, and that it is seeking to raise ¥0.67bn at a valuation of ¥3.1bn. The author of that article appears to have MISread or MISunderstood that twitter post - the Twitter post is about AVALON/Caanan Creative seeking to raise that 0.67billion Yuan, NOT Bitmain. Isn't it fun to deal with very sloppy standards of journalism that fail to check facts before they report them IN ERROR? I read it that way at first aswell but I think it was just not typed clearly on "In a separate Twitter post, Jihan Wu, CEO of China-based bitcoin mining firm Bitmain, reported that the firm was to be publicly listed through its relationship with Shandong Luyitong, and that it is seeking to raise ¥0.67bn at a valuation of ¥3.1bn." I think that part where the firm is referring to Avalon especially if you read tweet. So I think it is possibly not best word selection but not an error. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on June 10, 2016, 06:18:25 PM https://canaan.io/en/2016/06/08/hello-world-we-are-canaan/
Quote Hello World! We are Canaan. Yes, it is true. Canaan is being acquired by LYT, an electronics company. This deal is a vote of confidence in the three years of products and services we invented and released. This acquisition and investment provides us the necessary resources and autonomy to make even better products and innovations that our customers expect. Canaan’s expertise as an integrated circuit (IC) design company is strengthened. These are big times for the blockchain, technology and innovation in the world. Amazingly, Canaan is based in Beijing, not Silicon Valley. We are a growing team of 100 working hard to bring great products and services to support people. We, like many of you, believe strongly in Open Source, the Decentralized Web, trying new things, building our families, eating good food, being healthy and making the world a better place. I am N.G. Zhang, pronounced EN-GEE-JON-G, the founder and CEO of Canaan Creative. I am known for my fun technology projects which eventually led to making the repetition ASIC chips, blockchain hardware computers all the way up to our successful Avalon6 product. And, we are not finished! We have new products and innovations coming, deeper than integrated circuits and beyond the blockchain. Do you have any questions about Canaan? Are you interested in writing a story about the Avalon product line? This is an invitation to journalists, technologists and enthusiasts to please write to us at love@canaan.io. Also, keep reading here for the latest updates, and follow us on twitter. Let’s work together to Grow the Blockchain. Sincerely, @ngzhang Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on June 19, 2016, 12:59:14 PM Looks like Avalon 7 could be using
Maybe this model ? : http://zedboard.org/product/zynq-mmp https://i.imgur.com/UgUGD83.jpg See this piece of code: https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/cgminer-openwrt-packages/blob/master/cgminer/data/config.avalon7.zedboard Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on June 20, 2016, 12:51:00 PM but this one is 130 in bulk
http://zedboard.org/product/microzed 7010 PicoZed SOM Price (USD) 1-$178 100-$165 500-$146 1,000+-$130 Part Number: AES-Z7PZ-7Z010-SOM-G still costly but the company has a lot of gear so they may have something that is cheaper Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: notlist3d on June 20, 2016, 02:05:18 PM Looks like Avalon 7 could be using a Zynq as a control board. This makes no sense though, the price on the SOC are way too expensive for just being a controller. I don't get it, even if they had a deal at the prices (looks around $400 for this board) I don't see how it beats a pi.Maybe this model ? : http://zedboard.org/product/zynq-mmp https://i.imgur.com/UgUGD83.jpg See this piece of code: https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/cgminer-openwrt-packages/blob/master/cgminer/data/config.avalon7.zedboard I don't think it beat's the RPI, and the simple fact is we don't need much more for a controller. A RPI 3 for 35ish dollars has a ton of power for the money and a big community behind it, where you can use it for many other things besides mining if you have one laying around. The controller I would love to see one use is the RPI Zero - https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/ . It is at a pricepoint of 5 dollars. I mean to get one some day and play around with it but have not got to that project yet. Not sure if still like it was but it was very hard to find one for the retail price, most were selling for decent amount more. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on June 20, 2016, 02:33:14 PM Looks like Avalon 7 could be using This makes no sense though, the price on the SOC are way too expensive for just being a controller. I don't get it, even if they had a deal at the prices (looks around $400 for this board) I don't see how it beats a pi.Maybe this model.. The controller I would love to see one use is the RPI Zero - https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/ . It is at a pricepoint of 5 dollars. I mean to get one some day and play around with it but have not got to that project yet. Not sure if still like it was but it was very hard to find one for the retail price, most were selling for decent amount more. Yeah, I only took that product as an example. It could be another model and with less functions, like Bitmain has done with Beaglebone Black board. Based on the code it would be some Zynq -based control board model by Xilinx. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on June 21, 2016, 01:24:41 AM Looks like Avalon 7 could be using This makes no sense though, the price on the SOC are way too expensive for just being a controller. I don't get it, even if they had a deal at the prices (looks around $400 for this board) I don't see how it beats a pi.Maybe this model.. The controller I would love to see one use is the RPI Zero - https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/ . It is at a pricepoint of 5 dollars. I mean to get one some day and play around with it but have not got to that project yet. Not sure if still like it was but it was very hard to find one for the retail price, most were selling for decent amount more. Yeah, I only took that product as an example. It could be another model and with less functions, like Bitmain has done with Beaglebone Black board. Based on the code it would be some Zynq -based control board model by Xilinx. 130 for a lot of 500 seems far too high, but maybe it eliminates the daughter board that is inside the avalon6 , still it seems costly.. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: toptek on August 15, 2016, 04:52:22 AM Two days ago some one added support to openwrt cgminer for avalon7 it seems there might be one coming .I was looking around found this
https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/cgminer-openwrt-packages/commit/bd5b2b2225ef7647d0f933491451ea77b58cf733 RPI3 support is actually nice .https://canaan.io/downloads/software/avalon6/openwrt/latest/brcm2708/bcm2710/ yup i finally bought a A6 lol . with no plans at all to buy a S7. buying one or two more a6 and at least 8 more 470 or 480 over time and maybe a a7 once it's out, if we get one . hm interning http://zedboard.org/ but agree if they gave us rpi 3 support on July 27th why would they use such a costly board unless it dies everything but what the PI does then wouldn't it save and be worth it ?. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on August 15, 2016, 05:16:26 AM Two days ago some one added support to openwrt cgminer for avalon7 it seems there might be one coming .I was looking around found this I noticed that the Avalon7 chip was listed as A3212 on github. It just seems odd to me that Canaan Creative would decrement instead of increment the chip number from that of the Avalon6 chip A3218.https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/cgminer-openwrt-packages/commit/bd5b2b2225ef7647d0f933491451ea77b58cf733 RPI3 support is actually nice .https://canaan.io/downloads/software/avalon6/openwrt/latest/brcm2708/bcm2710/ yup i finally bought a A6 lol . with no plans at all to buy a S7. buying one or two more a6 and at least 8 more 470 or 480 over time and maybe a a7 once it's out, if we get one . hm interning http://zedboard.org/ Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: toptek on August 15, 2016, 09:49:33 AM yea saw that to maybe so no one bugs them who's know guess well find out at this point .!!
cyz. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: toptek on August 16, 2016, 06:38:26 PM http://build.canaan-creative.com:8080/~buildbot/avalon7/20160817/orangepi-2/
for the Avalon 7 just popped on there ftp list I have a few orange pis which are even cheaper then the rasp pi and run better or do for me . Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on August 16, 2016, 07:16:37 PM I heard Sept 7 release date is possible.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: QuintLeo on August 16, 2016, 08:22:25 PM SOMETHING has Bitmain a bit spooked - the new S9 batches that popped up today are a fair bit less $$$ than previous batches.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on August 16, 2016, 09:23:31 PM SOMETHING has Bitmain a bit spooked - the new S9 batches that popped up today are a fair bit less $$$ than previous batches. I would like the Avalon 7 to be better then the s-9 in terms of power use. Say .090 or .085 watts vs .100 watts for the s-9. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on August 16, 2016, 10:12:34 PM I would like the Avalon 7 to be better then the s-9 in terms of power use. I am hoping for something in the 800W to 1000W range at ~0.09 efficiency.Say .090 or .085 watts vs .100 watts for the s-9. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on August 16, 2016, 11:18:57 PM I would like the Avalon 7 to be better then the s-9 in terms of power use. I am hoping for something in the 800W to 1000W range at ~0.09 efficiency.Say .090 or .085 watts vs .100 watts for the s-9. 800 watts and 10th would be good. ;D Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: toptek on August 16, 2016, 11:50:48 PM I would like the Avalon 7 to be better then the s-9 in terms of power use. I am hoping for something in the 800W to 1000W range at ~0.09 efficiency.Say .090 or .085 watts vs .100 watts for the s-9. 800 watts and 10th would be good. ;D that would be awesome with a price tag of maybe 800 to 1000 :). but we know there price is all ways higher then bitmain or has been .can't blame them either i wouldn't want a price war with bitmain we saw what that did to Spondoolies-Tech. if you think about it bitmain controls it all right now as far as selling miners goes they set the price etc unless some one wants to price war with them if you do you better have deep packets . any way i hope the a7 follows suit and stays as they said : is for every one . high price tag or not so far from what Ive seen if i could afforded any Avalon on release i would have bought it first there's are better built etc and to me worth it . cyz Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on August 17, 2016, 01:21:53 AM I would like the Avalon 7 to be better then the s-9 in terms of power use. I am hoping for something in the 800W to 1000W range at ~0.09 efficiency.Say .090 or .085 watts vs .100 watts for the s-9. 800 watts and 10th would be good. ;D that would be awesome with a price tag of maybe 800 to 1000 :). but we know there price is all ways higher then bitmain or has been .can't blame them either i wouldn't want a price war with bitmain we saw what that did to Spondoolies-Tech. if you think about it bitmain controls it all right now as far as selling miners goes they set the price etc unless some one wants to price war with them if you do you better have deep packets . any way i hope the a7 follows suit and stays as they said : is for every one . high price tag or not so far from what Ive seen if i could afforded any Avalon on release i would have bought it first there's are better built etc and to me worth it . cyz I would be more willing to get them if they do better on watts then the s-9. I'd pay a premium for a 800 watt 10th machine Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on August 17, 2016, 03:21:59 AM I would like the Avalon 7 to be better then the s-9 in terms of power use. I am hoping for something in the 800W to 1000W range at ~0.09 efficiency.Say .090 or .085 watts vs .100 watts for the s-9. 800 watts and 10th would be good. ;D that would be awesome with a price tag of maybe 800 to 1000 :). but we know there price is all ways higher then bitmain or has been .can't blame them either i wouldn't want a price war with bitmain we saw what that did to Spondoolies-Tech. if you think about it bitmain controls it all right now as far as selling miners goes they set the price etc unless some one wants to price war with them if you do you better have deep packets . any way i hope the a7 follows suit and stays as they said : is for every one . high price tag or not so far from what Ive seen if i could afforded any Avalon on release i would have bought it first there's are better built etc and to me worth it . cyz I would be more willing to get them if they do better on watts then the s-9. I'd pay a premium for a 800 watt 10th machine Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: leowonderful on August 17, 2016, 10:56:06 AM I would like the Avalon 7 to be better then the s-9 in terms of power use. I am hoping for something in the 800W to 1000W range at ~0.09 efficiency.Say .090 or .085 watts vs .100 watts for the s-9. 800 watts and 10th would be good. ;D that would be awesome with a price tag of maybe 800 to 1000 :). but we know there price is all ways higher then bitmain or has been .can't blame them either i wouldn't want a price war with bitmain we saw what that did to Spondoolies-Tech. if you think about it bitmain controls it all right now as far as selling miners goes they set the price etc unless some one wants to price war with them if you do you better have deep packets . any way i hope the a7 follows suit and stays as they said : is for every one . high price tag or not so far from what Ive seen if i could afforded any Avalon on release i would have bought it first there's are better built etc and to me worth it . cyz I would be more willing to get them if they do better on watts then the s-9. I'd pay a premium for a 800 watt 10th machine Btw, I have a few orange pis, and they're a PITA to start. There's almost no support from the orange pi website, but glad that Canaan made some for it. Besides that, not too bad of a board- it does run a bit warm, but otherwise fine. Probably trying to shave off a few bucks from the total cost to us consumers. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: toptek on August 17, 2016, 12:55:21 PM can hardy wait for my A6 to come they just updated the software again jk.
but hey did and i have one coming hoping it ships today . Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: toptek on August 17, 2016, 12:57:05 PM I would like the Avalon 7 to be better then the s-9 in terms of power use. I am hoping for something in the 800W to 1000W range at ~0.09 efficiency.Say .090 or .085 watts vs .100 watts for the s-9. 800 watts and 10th would be good. ;D that would be awesome with a price tag of maybe 800 to 1000 :). but we know there price is all ways higher then bitmain or has been .can't blame them either i wouldn't want a price war with bitmain we saw what that did to Spondoolies-Tech. if you think about it bitmain controls it all right now as far as selling miners goes they set the price etc unless some one wants to price war with them if you do you better have deep packets . any way i hope the a7 follows suit and stays as they said : is for every one . high price tag or not so far from what Ive seen if i could afforded any Avalon on release i would have bought it first there's are better built etc and to me worth it . cyz I would be more willing to get them if they do better on watts then the s-9. I'd pay a premium for a 800 watt 10th machine Btw, I have a few orange pis, and they're a PITA to start. There's almost no support from the orange pi website, but glad that Canaan made some for it. Besides that, not too bad of a board- it does run a bit warm, but otherwise fine. Probably trying to shave off a few bucks from the total cost to us consumers. i think they know what ever price it's a seller , have to agree bitmain is getting worse and worse . as for orange support it : http://www.armbian.com/download/ lots of it here. http://forum.armbian.com/index.php/forum/13-allwinner-h3/ Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on August 17, 2016, 12:58:41 PM can hardy wait for my A6 to come they just updated the software again jk. I almost bought an A6 from HolyScott the other day, but then I found out it would not include an AUC. Oh well, here is to hoping the A7 comes out soon.but hey did and i have one coming hoping it ships today . Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: toptek on August 17, 2016, 01:02:39 PM can hardy wait for my A6 to come they just updated the software again jk. I almost bought an A6 from HolyScott the other day, but then I found out it would not include an AUC. Oh well, here is to hoping the A7 comes out soon.but hey did and i have one coming hoping it ships today . i have two AUC one Avalon sent me free, one i ordered off eby by mistake for my A4.1 that was marked for A6 ( I didn't notice when i ordered it ) which also works on 4.1 and i think holy has some he asked me if i needed one i don't sense i have 2 of version two. and some one on the forum market is selling a A6 with everything but a pi and psu for 260 free shipping offered me a good deal but i had all ready committed to a buy . https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558320.msg15943215#msg15943215 dam went even lower 229.2 us in btc Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: firetreeactual on August 23, 2016, 05:19:09 PM Just found this thread...glad I did. Some of you know me from Kano's pool. I've moved my commitment to Avalon (I've only got three S7s in a datacenter, plus to now six S3s at home). Put my first A6 online a couple of days ago, and happy with it. Second shipped this morning. They are, in my experience, as profitable as an S7, better built, and easier to manage in a low-amp environment. The S3s are retiring when A6 #2 comes online, and will be distributed in pairs, w/psus, to some other disabled folks here on the island who have an interest, free power, and a desire to learn about BTC.
Anyway...also anxiously awaiting the A7 release. Any further buys on my part will be this next-gen unit (so long as it's competitively priced) and go to Labrador. Might even replace the A6s with one or two, and pay forward the A6s...who knows. https://i.imgur.com/Aa8QG12.jpg?1 Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on August 23, 2016, 06:29:16 PM Just found this thread...glad I did. Some of you know me from Kano's pool. I've moved my commitment to Avalon (I've only got three S7s in a datacenter, plus to now six S3s at home). Put my first A6 online a couple of days ago, and happy with it. Second shipped this morning. They are, in my experience, as profitable as an S7, better built, and easier to manage in a low-amp environment. The S3s are retiring when A6 #2 comes online, and will be distributed in pairs, w/psus, to some other disabled folks here on the island who have an interest, free power, and a desire to learn about BTC. Anyway...also anxiously awaiting the A7 release. Any further buys on my part will be this next-gen unit (so long as it's competitively priced) and go to Labrador. Might even replace the A6s with one or two, and pay forward the A6s...who knows. https://i.imgur.com/Aa8QG12.jpg?1 Nice. I have space reserved for two of them. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: leowonderful on August 23, 2016, 07:11:14 PM Just found this thread...glad I did. Some of you know me from Kano's pool. I've moved my commitment to Avalon (I've only got three S7s in a datacenter, plus to now six S3s at home). Put my first A6 online a couple of days ago, and happy with it. Second shipped this morning. They are, in my experience, as profitable as an S7, better built, and easier to manage in a low-amp environment. The S3s are retiring when A6 #2 comes online, and will be distributed in pairs, w/psus, to some other disabled folks here on the island who have an interest, free power, and a desire to learn about BTC. Anyway...also anxiously awaiting the A7 release. Any further buys on my part will be this next-gen unit (so long as it's competitively priced) and go to Labrador. Might even replace the A6s with one or two, and pay forward the A6s...who knows. https://i.imgur.com/Aa8QG12.jpg?1 Nice. I have space reserved for two of them. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: edonkey on August 24, 2016, 12:28:47 AM I also have a space reserved for an A7. I was going to get another S9 but decided not to because of all the recent hardware and warranty problems that people have been seeing. I've been lucky so far with my S9s, but luck tends to run out at some point.
It's really good timing for Avalon from a public relations perspective. But I do worry that whatever they ship, Bitmain will brutally undercut them by dropping the price of the S9. There are definitely folks out there who care more about price than quality, so the cheaper S9s will sell like crazy. I fear for the difficulty, and all of our ROIs... Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on August 24, 2016, 11:27:53 AM Yes, with all the problems Bitmain is having at the moment, Canaan Creative could still rule this miner generation if they soon come up with a good energy-efficient miner and have good customer service! 8)
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: VRobb on August 24, 2016, 02:15:47 PM I'll be buying one, for sure, hopefully via philip and another one of his patent pending Group Buys!
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on August 25, 2016, 12:29:04 AM I'll be buying one, for sure, hopefully via philip and another one of his patent pending Group Buys! yeah the s9 is wearing me out. I have had a hard summer in NJ really hot for a lot of days. My kitchen reno is finally done 10 weeks minus a day 69 frakking days! Tomorrow or fri I am going back to the solar array to figure why it keeps acting up. I am waiting on new parts. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: edonkey on August 25, 2016, 02:46:10 AM Are they going to support RPi's as a controller as well? I have no experience with "Orange" Pi's.
In fact I hadn't heard of them before the related A7 posts. Had to google it. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on August 25, 2016, 04:14:25 AM Are they going to support RPi's as a controller as well? I have no experience with "Orange" Pi's. In fact I hadn't heard of them before the related A7 posts. Had to google it. I have some pi's wtf is an orange pi? links https://www.amazon.com/Orange-Pi-Single-Computer-Cortex-A7/dp/B018W6OTIM/ref=sr_1_1? http://www.orangepi.org/ Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on August 29, 2016, 08:14:30 PM I had few Facebook messages with Canaan.io today, but only thing they could say is that news are coming soon.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on August 29, 2016, 10:28:58 PM Now that the R4 is a bust for me based on price, I am definitely looking forward to the A7.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: toptek on August 30, 2016, 12:28:55 AM Are they going to support RPi's as a controller as well? I have no experience with "Orange" Pi's. In fact I hadn't heard of them before the related A7 posts. Had to google it. I have some pi's wtf is an orange pi? links https://www.amazon.com/Orange-Pi-Single-Computer-Cortex-A7/dp/B018W6OTIM/ref=sr_1_1? http://www.orangepi.org/ orange PI are a newer faster better cheaper PI then rasp pi. they have more support then some think . There is more of them as well in there product line. I had few Facebook messages with Canaan.io today, but only thing they could say is that news are coming soon. That's all they keep telling me but I trust it will come :). there sending me a free MCU for my out of warranty Avalon 6 , I messed up trying to update to the MM dated AUG 15th, all i have to do is tell others which, I'll do gladly not that they need me to but i will . to me the Avalon product line is the best miner so far but Ive said this before after owning 2 . even the A6 i thought was very quiet till i screwed up the MCU. Are they going to support RPi's as a controller as well? I have no experience with "Orange" Pi's. In fact I hadn't heard of them before the related A7 posts. Had to google it. my guess is yes !!! why not . orange pi's use the same OS as rpi, same command line etc .if you use a rpi then using a orange is the same. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: vortexz on August 30, 2016, 07:07:58 AM when will A7 be on sale ??
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on August 30, 2016, 01:38:21 PM when will A7 be on sale ?? I heard a whisper on or about Sept 7th. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: yslyung on August 30, 2016, 05:34:20 PM when will A7 be on sale ?? I heard a whisper on or about Sept 7th. not to spoil anyone's mood but the pricing ain't gonna be favorable & i hope that i'm wrong. but let's see. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: QuintLeo on August 31, 2016, 03:37:04 AM Avalon actually beat Bitmain on price/hash?
That WOULD be a shock. Close, though, might happen - and given Avalon's track record on reliability, close might just be good enough... Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on September 01, 2016, 02:39:54 AM Avalon actually beat Bitmain on price/hash? That WOULD be a shock. Close, though, might happen - and given Avalon's track record on reliability, close might just be good enough... If Yang runs this with blockC from San Francisco at least parts and warranty will work better then bitmaintech. My take is the smaller chip size makes for a more delicate miner. My one and only burnt dead cpu was a i5 6600k from intel and they have had issues with the 14-16 nm chip size. So the idea that 14-16 asic mining chips are less robust seems plausible. So maybe the avalon 7 will service dead gear better then bitmaintech does. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: QuintLeo on September 01, 2016, 11:44:39 PM The issues with the S9 are more the "glue on heatsink" + much higher thermal density than any previous miner Bitmain ever came up with - except the S7 which had similar issues.
The S5 was "small chips" and proved to be quite reliable as a general rule, while the KnC Titan was "large chips" that had a major issue with parts of the chip dying A LOT. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Sierra8561 on September 04, 2016, 12:40:44 AM Who knows, the new owners may take a more competitive approach.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: valkir on September 04, 2016, 05:26:38 PM Cant wait to see the A7. Hope the price will be in a good range.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: B1tUnl0ck3r on September 04, 2016, 07:39:14 PM Cant wait to see the A7. Hope the price will be in a good range. Me too! Do you know when the release is expected? Will the voltage of the chips be modifiable? I hope so it would make the miner way more useful in the long term I think. In all aspects it will be a good thing to bring some competitions back to bitmain ;). Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on September 07, 2016, 09:32:05 AM when will A7 be on sale ?? I heard a whisper on or about Sept 7th. I'm impatient..!! :D Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: adaseb on September 07, 2016, 01:50:31 PM If they want people to buy it they need to at least match or come close to ETH probability with respect to electricity for those with 7970/280x technology GPUs.
Needs to be 1000Watts->100MH/s ETH->$7/day and needs 4-6 months ROI period like GPUs. However this will probably cost 50% more than an S9. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on September 07, 2016, 02:50:41 PM If they want people to buy it they need to at least match or come close to ETH probability with respect to electricity for those with 7970/280x technology GPUs. Needs to be 1000Watts->100MH/s ETH->$7/day and needs 4-6 months ROI period like GPUs. However this will probably cost 50% more than an S9. Well looks like the 7th was a false source. here is the deal it needs to be quiet gear . it needs to have lower watts per gh 0.08 would be good a clear improvement over any other gear. it needs to be 600 to 800 watt max a 640 watt 8th miner would be really good. they could charge 1500 and it would sell---- but at 1500 I need a better warranty then bitmaintech say six months. I will say this the avalon 6 had good support for dead gear issues if you were in the USA Yang from blockC was very good on dead gear issues. I hope to work with him again if the avalon 7 lists soon. for sales. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Biodom on September 08, 2016, 04:05:57 PM They have a dilemma: going for a maximum return/miner or try to get more market share.
Obviously, in the latter case they would have to undercut Bitmain on pricing, NOT price it at a premium. They were bought by a bigger player, so it is possible. Plus, 6 mo or even 1 year warranty could be an additional bonus. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Sierra8561 on September 08, 2016, 06:28:46 PM They have a dilemma: going for a maximum return/miner or try to get more market share. Obviously, in the latter case they would have to undercut Bitmain on pricing, NOT price it at a premium. They were bought by a bigger player, so it is possible. Plus, 6 mo or even 1 year warranty could be an additional bonus. If they put out a better quality machine for the same price, Avalon wins. But if they put out a lower TH machine with similar power consumption at a higher price, I won't be a buyer. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: CryptoBuddha on September 08, 2016, 11:19:21 PM Any news anybody? It's sept 9 already and no a7 so far... Not even a single word on their website. It makes me doubt the a7 rumor in general and the September release in particular :-\
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: QuintLeo on September 09, 2016, 01:15:54 AM Any news anybody? It's sept 9 already and no a7 so far... Not even a single word on their website. It makes me doubt the a7 rumor in general and the September release in particular :-\ "September release" in THIS industry, even from reputable makers, usually means "we're AIMING for end of September, but might slip into October or even November". Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: valkir on September 10, 2016, 05:42:52 PM Any updates ?
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Sierra8561 on September 10, 2016, 05:56:27 PM Any updates ? Hope they do it soon. I need more miners as soon as possible. It would be great to compare the two before I purchase. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on September 20, 2016, 12:17:10 AM They are indeed doing some things right now and maybe trying to come up with the final product.
Their git was last updated 21hrs. ago with avalon7 updates. https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/ First I compared this code: https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/cgminer/blob/master/driver-avalon7.h with Avalon 4/Avalon 6 code: https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/cgminer/blob/master/driver-avalon4.h Quote #define AVA7_MM711_ASIC_CNT 18 Based on this piece of code, Avalon 7 will most likely use 18x A3212 chips per unit.Quote #define AVA7_DEFAULT_MINER_CNT 4 And based on this there are 4x units per miner, so a total of 72x A3212 chips.So 70Gh/s /chip would make it a 5.04Th/s miner 80Gh/s /chip would make it a 5.76Th/s miner 90Gh/s /chip would make it a 6.48Th/s miner 100Gh/s /chip would make it a 7.2Th/s miner. I'm guessing it's a 6-7 Th/s miner. Quote #define AVA7_DEFAULT_MODULARS 7 /* Only support 6 modules maximum with one AUC */ Most likely up to 6x Avalon 7's can be chained together.__________ After that I looked at this: https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/cgminer-openwrt-packages/blob/master/cgminer/files/cgminer.avalon7.config Quote option chip_frequency '756' The default max. chip frequency is 756Mhz.Quote option chip_voltage '4435' There is voltage control like there was with the Avalon4.There could be more interesting information hidden in these pieces of the code but I'm getting sleepy now :D It's damn late here in Finland atm. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: edonkey on September 20, 2016, 02:08:59 AM Wow! Nice sleuthing!
I would have thought that they wouldn't sync their sources with a public repository until they're ready to ship. Let's hope that they're on the verge of an announcement. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HerbPean on September 20, 2016, 03:44:38 AM Great info !
Thanks for sharing Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: tomcat2 on September 20, 2016, 09:17:51 PM very interesting news, good work HagssFin
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: leowonderful on September 20, 2016, 09:23:06 PM Great job! These seem pretty close to release, although I assume they'll test them before doing anything. Definitely not too close to the S9 in terms of hashrate, so it might be less attractive to big rig owners, but if the miner is efficient enough, it might just turn out to be a miner similar to the R4, at least in terms of hashrate. Very interesting :) voltage control is going to be very nice indeed- haven't seen such a customizable miner in a very very long time. It's going to be some very exciting times down the road.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Turbo2 on September 21, 2016, 11:36:41 PM Sept 22nd and still no updates :-[
Looks like the 7 will not be coming out this month after all....It should have been announced by now at least. Bitmain is going to eat up all their customers with the R4 if they keep delaying.... Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on September 22, 2016, 12:39:52 AM Sept 22nd and still no updates :-[ I seriously doubt that the R4 is selling that well.Looks like the 7 will not be coming out this month after all....It should have been announced by now at least. Bitmain is going to eat up all their customers with the R4 if they keep delaying.... Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Biodom on September 29, 2016, 11:42:50 PM Canaan's merger deal with Shandong Luyitong fell through, but they say that Avalon 7 is still on track (whatever this means).
http://www.coindesk.com/regulators-block-sale-bitcoin-miner-avalon/ Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: fanatic26 on September 30, 2016, 01:03:26 AM Lets hope the A7 fixes the giant flaws with the A6...namely the massive cooling problems the A6 has
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Sierra8561 on September 30, 2016, 03:59:51 AM Lets hope the A7 fixes the giant flaws with the A6...namely the massive cooling problems the A6 has Really? Never heard that one before. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: alh on September 30, 2016, 05:49:43 AM Lets hope the A7 fixes the giant flaws with the A6...namely the massive cooling problems the A6 has Could you perhaps elaborate a bit on this? Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: majestymage on September 30, 2016, 12:08:31 PM still no word ? damn!
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: B1tUnl0ck3r on September 30, 2016, 03:27:26 PM They are indeed doing some things right now and maybe trying to come up with the final product. Their git was last updated 21hrs. ago with avalon7 updates. https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/ First I compared this code: https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/cgminer/blob/master/driver-avalon7.h with Avalon 4/Avalon 6 code: https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/cgminer/blob/master/driver-avalon4.h Quote #define AVA7_MM711_ASIC_CNT 18 Based on this piece of code, Avalon 7 will most likely use 18x A3212 chips per unit.Quote #define AVA7_DEFAULT_MINER_CNT 4 And based on this there are 4x units per miner, so a total of 72x A3212 chips.So 70Gh/s /chip would make it a 5.04Th/s miner 80Gh/s /chip would make it a 5.76Th/s miner 90Gh/s /chip would make it a 6.48Th/s miner 100Gh/s /chip would make it a 7.2Th/s miner. I'm guessing it's a 6-7 Th/s miner. Quote #define AVA7_DEFAULT_MODULARS 7 /* Only support 6 modules maximum with one AUC */ Most likely up to 6x Avalon 7's can be chained together.__________ After that I looked at this: https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/cgminer-openwrt-packages/blob/master/cgminer/files/cgminer.avalon7.config Quote option chip_frequency '756' The default max. chip frequency is 756Mhz.Quote option chip_voltage '4435' There is voltage control like there was with the Avalon4.There could be more interesting information hidden in these pieces of the code but I'm getting sleepy now :D It's damn late here in Finland atm. Finally a miner with voltage control... waiting to read the full specs. Will see how it's priced and how it looks like. Thank you very much for sharing this finding of yours ;). Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: jonnybravo0311 on September 30, 2016, 06:30:25 PM Lets hope the A7 fixes the giant flaws with the A6...namely the massive cooling problems the A6 has I've got 20 A6 and haven't experienced anything remotely like what you are describing.Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on September 30, 2016, 08:31:45 PM Lets hope the A7 fixes the giant flaws with the A6...namely the massive cooling problems the A6 has I've got 20 A6 and haven't experienced anything remotely like what you are describing.maybe he was using a hot attic space to mine with them. when the room got near 100f it had issues, but that is the rooms fault not the A6 Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on October 03, 2016, 01:02:05 PM I found https://canaan.io/en/2016/09/29/keep-the-faith-innovation-over-acquisition/ (https://canaan.io/en/2016/09/29/keep-the-faith-innovation-over-acquisition/) to be an interesting read.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: jonnybravo0311 on October 06, 2016, 07:15:52 PM Lets hope the A7 fixes the giant flaws with the A6...namely the massive cooling problems the A6 has I've got 20 A6 and haven't experienced anything remotely like what you are describing.maybe he was using a hot attic space to mine with them. when the room got near 100f it had issues, but that is the rooms fault not the A6 Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: toptek on October 11, 2016, 10:50:23 PM just noticed this to day on tweeter i tend to not read stuff in detail but pass thu it and am trying un brick my controller that's in side the miner, so im reading everything i can all most anyplace to learn how to.
Avalon is not taking that deal to sell so we may see a A 7 yet? . Today, Canaan is announcing that we are choosing to focus on innovation and will not pursue the deal to be acquired by Chinese electronics. from the 29 th of Sep. https://twitter.com/canaanio/status/781442861191397376 https://canaan.io/en/2016/09/29/keep-the-faith-innovation-over-acquisition/ at the very bottom it says I know most of you are asking, “When is your next AvalonMiner coming out?” You will hear from us very soon… so one is coming i know I won't beadle to afford it because of BM and i don't care, i like them better then BM all ways have they seem nicer not so hard core etc. they prove you don't have to be .. well any way looking forward to seeing it, I probable won't get one but if I can at some point I'll buy from them. probable will never buy an other BM product unless it's used and then just to try then resell it. I found https://canaan.io/en/2016/09/29/keep-the-faith-innovation-over-acquisition/ (https://canaan.io/en/2016/09/29/keep-the-faith-innovation-over-acquisition/) to be an interesting read. I see you posted it to, awesome!! . Any news anybody? It's sept 9 already and no a7 so far... Not even a single word on their website. It makes me doubt the a7 rumor in general and the September release in particular :-\ "September release" in THIS industry, even from reputable makers, usually means "we're AIMING for end of September, but might slip into October or even November". i would say November maybe even xmas now they would make a killing on black Friday or after . Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on October 24, 2016, 11:00:08 AM No major updates in Canaan Creative's Github for a week.
Could be that they have the code ready and not too long time before the public release for the miner is here :) Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: cloh76 on October 30, 2016, 07:25:34 PM Is the Avalon 6 SE any different form the Avalon 6?
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: leowonderful on October 30, 2016, 09:30:23 PM Is the Avalon 6 SE any different form the Avalon 6? Nope, besides being cheaper at a price of 399$, that is, without shipping costs added on. Seems like a decent miner if you have the right electrical rate, otherwise, it's probably just Canaan unloading the rest of their Avalon 6 stock. Perhaps this is a sign that the A7 is going to be released soon? :)Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: valkir on October 30, 2016, 10:01:38 PM Is the Avalon 6 SE any different form the Avalon 6? Where do you see the Avalon 6 SE ?Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on October 30, 2016, 10:46:31 PM Is the Avalon 6 SE any different form the Avalon 6? Where do you see the Avalon 6 SE ?Quote The AvalonMiner™ 6 Special Edition Chip quantity- 80 x A3218 Algorithm - SHA-256 Rated frequency - 500MHz Rated Hashrate - 3.5THS@500MHz Power consumption - 1155W (with assumption of 90% power conversion ratio) Price 2016-07-18 - 399 USD @1 Warranty - 90 Days Shipping - Contact Us for best rate. We ship by air to USA or Europe in 3-4 days Customs - HS code 8471414000 – computers The data sticker on the miner says Avalon 6.01. I don't see any differences though when compared with the original Avalon 6. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: alh on November 01, 2016, 04:47:53 PM Is the Avalon 6 SE any different form the Avalon 6? Where do you see the Avalon 6 SE ?I think what makes this edition "Special" is it's price. Beyond that, the specs look virtually unchanged from the Non-special versions that were produced 6 months ago. This isn't a complaint, it just a recognition that this is more "Marketing" than "Technical" in nature. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: just_Alice on November 01, 2016, 05:05:37 PM Lets hope the A7 fixes the giant flaws with the A6...namely the massive cooling problems the A6 has I've got 20 A6 and haven't experienced anything remotely like what you are describing.maybe he was using a hot attic space to mine with them. when the room got near 100f it had issues, but that is the rooms fault not the A6 I agree. The ventilation in the room is what really matters. If you have a very hot air in the room you can't cool your miners properly even if their cooling fans are operating at their best. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: fanatic26 on November 01, 2016, 11:32:21 PM 1: Heat sink design. It is one massive piece of metal and retains as much heat as it releases.
2: The controller shuts off at 45c yet its inside a metal shell sitting on top of a giant heatsink radiating 75c heat. This means over about 30c-32c ambient the controller shuts down due to heat issues. 3: They radiate some kind of infared heat that means when you put a bunch of them close together they tend to overheat each other even if the ambient temperature is not that high. Also please take into account that I am talking about how they act in an industrial environment, not some random home user that thinks running 10 or 20 is a large enough sample size to call them great. The scale of the operation and the amount of heat generated will cause these flaws to show up whereas someone just running a few at home will never see the issue. I have had these machines tested and they shut down well before their rated max operating temperature. In the lab environment at 85f they have serious problems running versus the s7 that was able to run in 110f ambient without shutting down in the same test.environment. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 02, 2016, 12:47:25 AM 1: Heat sink design. It is one massive piece of metal and retains as much heat as it releases. 2: The controller shuts off at 45c yet its inside a metal shell sitting on top of a giant heatsink radiating 75c heat. This means over about 30c-32c ambient the controller shuts down due to heat issues. 3: They radiate some kind of infared heat that means when you put a bunch of them close together they tend to overheat each other even if the ambient temperature is not that high. Also please take into account that I am talking about how they act in an industrial environment, not some random home user that thinks running 10 or 20 is a large enough sample size to call them great. The scale of the operation and the amount of heat generated will cause these flaws to show up whereas someone just running a few at home will never see the issue. I have had these machines tested and they shut down well before their rated max operating temperature. In the lab environment at 85f they have serious problems running versus the s7 that was able to run in 110f ambient without shutting down in the same test.environment. number 2 is an issue once you get a lot in stacks. thus a long single row with spacing between units works which is not good for 100 or more. Some were able to run them on a concrete slab with a short shelf setup. but that is not ideal for 100 no less 1000 units. the s7 were pretty sturdy use them up to 105f with no issues stacking them. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 02, 2016, 01:10:38 PM There is very interesting news about the Avalon 7 :)
Here is quote wrote by cgminer developer Kano in his pool thread: Well those damn S9's are back and there goes the luck!!!!!!!!!! Hi Kano - can you run the latest S9/BDR stats, if any... just to be sure... I have a strange feeling about bmminer 1.0. All of Juvia is still bmminer 1.0 and I have not upgraded to bmminer 2.0. I hate to think that there is something rotten in v1 firmware against Kano pool. Thanks Also the 2.0 has now found a block with a BDR less than 1.0 However, for more interesting news ... there's been an A7 pull request on cgminer :D https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/pull/701 Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Sierra8561 on November 03, 2016, 05:05:58 AM There is very interesting news about the Avalon 7 :) Here is quote wrote by cgminer developer Kano in his pool thread: Well those damn S9's are back and there goes the luck!!!!!!!!!! Hi Kano - can you run the latest S9/BDR stats, if any... just to be sure... I have a strange feeling about bmminer 1.0. All of Juvia is still bmminer 1.0 and I have not upgraded to bmminer 2.0. I hate to think that there is something rotten in v1 firmware against Kano pool. Thanks Also the 2.0 has now found a block with a BDR less than 1.0 However, for more interesting news ... there's been an A7 pull request on cgminer :D https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/pull/701 That is no way is reference to Avalon or their new hardware. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: jonnybravo0311 on November 03, 2016, 03:24:20 PM There is very interesting news about the Avalon 7 :) Here is quote wrote by cgminer developer Kano in his pool thread: Well those damn S9's are back and there goes the luck!!!!!!!!!! Hi Kano - can you run the latest S9/BDR stats, if any... just to be sure... I have a strange feeling about bmminer 1.0. All of Juvia is still bmminer 1.0 and I have not upgraded to bmminer 2.0. I hate to think that there is something rotten in v1 firmware against Kano pool. Thanks Also the 2.0 has now found a block with a BDR less than 1.0 However, for more interesting news ... there's been an A7 pull request on cgminer :D https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/pull/701 That is no way is reference to Avalon or their new hardware. I'd say it is a very clear reference to Avalon and their new hardware. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: notabeliever on November 03, 2016, 04:14:11 PM Lets hope the A7 fixes the giant flaws with the A6...namely the massive cooling problems the A6 has I've got 20 A6 and haven't experienced anything remotely like what you are describing.and The avalon6-se is special in the way that it makes more room for their newest miners. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 03, 2016, 07:15:11 PM Maybe November 7 could be a magical day..?! :)
I'm positive that they will at least reveal the miner in 2016 Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Sierra8561 on November 03, 2016, 07:53:38 PM There is very interesting news about the Avalon 7 :) Here is quote wrote by cgminer developer Kano in his pool thread: Well those damn S9's are back and there goes the luck!!!!!!!!!! Hi Kano - can you run the latest S9/BDR stats, if any... just to be sure... I have a strange feeling about bmminer 1.0. All of Juvia is still bmminer 1.0 and I have not upgraded to bmminer 2.0. I hate to think that there is something rotten in v1 firmware against Kano pool. Thanks Also the 2.0 has now found a block with a BDR less than 1.0 However, for more interesting news ... there's been an A7 pull request on cgminer :D https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/pull/701 That is no way is reference to Avalon or their new hardware. I'd say it is a very clear reference to Avalon and their new hardware. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: jonnybravo0311 on November 03, 2016, 08:05:13 PM Unless you're a conspiracy theory nut and believe that Bitmain has purposefully sabotaged the S9 to not work with any ckpool instance :P.
Wait... I figured it out! No wonder they don't work on kano's pool!!! ::) Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 03, 2016, 08:14:52 PM There is very interesting news about the Avalon 7 :) Here is quote wrote by cgminer developer Kano in his pool thread: Well those damn S9's are back and there goes the luck!!!!!!!!!! Hi Kano - can you run the latest S9/BDR stats, if any... just to be sure... I have a strange feeling about bmminer 1.0. All of Juvia is still bmminer 1.0 and I have not upgraded to bmminer 2.0. I hate to think that there is something rotten in v1 firmware against Kano pool. Thanks Also the 2.0 has now found a block with a BDR less than 1.0 However, for more interesting news ... there's been an A7 pull request on cgminer :D https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/pull/701 That is no way is reference to Avalon or their new hardware. I'd say it is a very clear reference to Avalon and their new hardware. I quoted Kano's whole message and the important part is marked in bold. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Sierra8561 on November 04, 2016, 07:30:35 PM There is very interesting news about the Avalon 7 :) Here is quote wrote by cgminer developer Kano in his pool thread: Well those damn S9's are back and there goes the luck!!!!!!!!!! Hi Kano - can you run the latest S9/BDR stats, if any... just to be sure... I have a strange feeling about bmminer 1.0. All of Juvia is still bmminer 1.0 and I have not upgraded to bmminer 2.0. I hate to think that there is something rotten in v1 firmware against Kano pool. Thanks Also the 2.0 has now found a block with a BDR less than 1.0 However, for more interesting news ... there's been an A7 pull request on cgminer :D https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/pull/701 That is no way is reference to Avalon or their new hardware. I'd say it is a very clear reference to Avalon and their new hardware. I quoted Kano's whole message and the important part is marked in bold. Gotcha, just didn't want there to be a miscommunication. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: yxt on November 05, 2016, 12:55:32 PM ... 2: The controller shuts off at 45c yet its inside a metal shell sitting on top of a giant heatsink radiating 75c heat. This means over about 30c-32c ambient the controller shuts down due to heat issues. ... update the firmware, than it shut down only if the board temps gets to high, not on the "intake air". So you can cool them with warm/hot air, but of course need more airflow. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: ZACHM on November 07, 2016, 05:22:47 PM Nothing here about this yet? Is everyone sleeping?
https://canaan.io/2016/11/07/the-avalonminer-721-is-roq-solid/ $888 USD - 6 TH/s - 900 watts Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 07, 2016, 05:45:55 PM Nothing here about this yet? Is everyone sleeping? https://canaan.io/2016/11/07/the-avalonminer-721-is-roq-solid/ $888 USD - 6 TH/s - 900 watts screen shot. it is costly 888 plus shipping it is a power hog 900 watts for 6 th so to be worth the price it needs to work and work and not fail https://i.imgur.com/f7yZSwi.png Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: ZACHM on November 07, 2016, 05:57:25 PM Yeah, I can't justify buying one right now.
It would never come close to ROI with my power cost. Now maybe if I have it hosted it somewhere... Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: jonnybravo0311 on November 07, 2016, 06:07:42 PM The 721 gets about 171% of the hashing power of the A6 for about 83% of the power consumption. While those numbers aren't the most impressive, I'll take Avalon quality every day of the week over Bitmain.
Pros: + open source software. It's all on GitHub. + uses standard cgminer. None of the Bitmain BS. + can chain multiple units on a single controller. + customer service and support. + uses standard PSUs. No need for anything special or additional PCI-e cables. Cons: - expensive. $888 is tough to swallow for a 6TH miner - ratio of hash to power consumption. Expected more from Avalon's next-gen 16nm chips. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 07, 2016, 06:09:07 PM Yeah, I can't justify buying one right now. It would never come close to ROI with my power cost. Now maybe if I have it hosted it somewhere... I do not mind that it is a .15 watt miner. With the solar array I simply need reliable miners. The s9 just does not cut it for reliability . Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Sierra8561 on November 07, 2016, 06:13:28 PM I really had my hopes up.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: ZACHM on November 07, 2016, 06:24:11 PM The 721 gets about 171% of the hashing power of the A6 for about 83% of the power consumption. While those numbers aren't the most impressive, I'll take Avalon quality every day of the week over Bitmain. Agreed, the quality of the Canaan products is vastly higher than Bitmain. I do not mind that it is a .15 watt miner. With the solar array I simply need reliable miners. The s9 just does not cut it for reliability . Yeah, your solar really helps. I have pretty much gotten to the point where I can no longer mine at home. My power cost is nearly $0.13/KWh. I have sold almost all of my miners. The only thing I have running are some S3's in the house and occasionally an S4 in my garage. The only reason I can really justify running them is for the heat. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 07, 2016, 06:27:48 PM The 721 gets about 171% of the hashing power of the A6 for about 83% of the power consumption. While those numbers aren't the most impressive, I'll take Avalon quality every day of the week over Bitmain. Agreed, the quality of the Canaan products is vastly higher than Bitmain. I do not mind that it is a .15 watt miner. With the solar array I simply need reliable miners. The s9 just does not cut it for reliability . Yeah, your solar really helps. I have pretty much gotten to the point where I can no longer mine at home. My power cost is nearly $0.13/KWh. I have sold almost all of my miners. The only thing I have running are some S3's in the house and occasionally an S4 in my garage. The only reason I can really justify running them is for the heat. Yeah I am at 12 cents in my house. Heat is worth 3 cents so 9 cent net from now to May 2017. The solar array is better then that for me. So I will buy these from Canaan . Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: edonkey on November 07, 2016, 08:22:15 PM I really had my hopes up. Me too. But over 300 days for ROI with free power is a non-starter for me. I don't want more S9's because of their bad quality. But the price of Canaan quality is too high. I'm stuck... I guess I should be happy with the hash rate that I have. Maybe if the 721 comes down in price, or if Bitmain improves their quality now that competition is really on the horizon, I can look to expand. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 07, 2016, 08:42:39 PM I have mixed feelings. First I'm happy but then second I'm also a little sad because of the lower efficiency, ROI time and price (compared to previous two things). --> my face right now ???
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: VRobb on November 07, 2016, 08:45:18 PM Phil, you going to get a group buy going on theses? Too early to ask??
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: flameruk on November 07, 2016, 09:47:20 PM So I don't confess to have ever seen an Avalon, but reading what you guys say about quality I guess these are the real deal.
Looking at the watt per hash rate, it seems lower than what Bitmain can achieve with the S9's. Maybe, just maybe, the S9 hashes at a rate where the miner destroys itself over time but the new Avalon thunders on forever as the chips don't thrash their own bollox off, hence the lower efficiency. I guess time will tell. Just a though folk ........... Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 07, 2016, 09:53:13 PM ... It's the heat that burns down things.Maybe, just maybe, the S9 hashes at a rate where the miner destroys itself over time but the new Avalon thunders on forever as the chips don't thrash their own bollox off, hence the lower efficiency. ... You're theory doesn't make sense. Better efficiency is not bad at all in the temp sense. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 07, 2016, 09:58:42 PM Phil, you going to get a group buy going on theses? Too early to ask?? If the need is there I will. I.E. if they have a MOQ of 10 I will do a group buy. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: flameruk on November 07, 2016, 10:14:33 PM ... It's the heat that burns down things.Maybe, just maybe, the S9 hashes at a rate where the miner destroys itself over time but the new Avalon thunders on forever as the chips don't thrash their own bollox off, hence the lower efficiency. ... You're theory doesn't make sense. Better efficiency is not bad at all in the temp sense. Yes exactly! The S9 runs hard to get the high hash rate, high heat and high breakdowns. Maybe the new Avalon runs smoothly, less heat and less breakdowns. Something along those lines.......... Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 07, 2016, 10:16:41 PM ... It's the heat that burns down things.Maybe, just maybe, the S9 hashes at a rate where the miner destroys itself over time but the new Avalon thunders on forever as the chips don't thrash their own bollox off, hence the lower efficiency. ... You're theory doesn't make sense. Better efficiency is not bad at all in the temp sense. Yes exactly! The S9 runs hard to get the high hash rate, high heat and high breakdowns. Maybe the new Avalon runs smoothly, less heat and less breakdowns. Something along those lines.......... That was my point. ---------------------- edit: By the way, I'm surprised that I did guess some specs right in this message September 20 :D .... so a total of 72x A3212 chips. So 70Gh/s /chip would make it a 5.04Th/s miner 80Gh/s /chip would make it a 5.76Th/s miner 90Gh/s /chip would make it a 6.48Th/s miner 100Gh/s /chip would make it a 7.2Th/s miner. I'm guessing it's a 6-7 Th/s miner. .... Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: firetreeactual on November 07, 2016, 11:00:27 PM Yeah, I can't justify buying one right now. It would never come close to ROI with my power cost. Now maybe if I have it hosted it somewhere... Look at my last post on the kano thread. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: valkir on November 07, 2016, 11:11:20 PM Im waiting to see if there will be a MOQ. I will probably do a Canadian Group Buy
Let me know via PM if you want 1. I will create a thread soon. ;D Will use it to heat my place! Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: ZACHM on November 08, 2016, 12:11:16 AM Yeah, I can't justify buying one right now. It would never come close to ROI with my power cost. Now maybe if I have it hosted it somewhere... Look at my last post on the kano thread. Yeah, I saw that. If I had free power I would buy several, especially since I have to heat my house about 8 months of the year. Sending them to be hosted might be an option, but it is one more factor in the upfront cost. After it gets there and starts working you can save the coin you make to make the payments, but they all give a discount if you pay ahead so... Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: allinvain on November 08, 2016, 12:18:09 AM I hope there is no MOQ. I may do a group buy if anyone is interested in having them hosted with me at CryptoBoreas (Labrador). But if not and there is someone trustworthy that will do a group buy, I'd be interested.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: elokk on November 08, 2016, 12:21:40 AM If you figure in the costs to have boards repaired on the S9, the Avalon is really not a bad deal
I just paid $200 to fix an S9 board even though the unit is still under warranty. I already started selling off my S9's and will definitely be buying the new Avalon. Allinvain, Count me in on a group buy/hosting Same reason I won't point my miners to a pool such as Viabtc, it's the principle Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 08, 2016, 12:54:22 AM If you figure in the costs to have boards repaired on the S9, the Avalon is really not a bad deal yeah I had six s9s, five as a partner in the solar array. And one for buysolar alone in the solar array.I just paid $200 to fix an S9 board even though the unit is still under warranty. I already started selling off my S9's and will definitely be buying the new Avalon. Allinvain, Count me in on a group buy/hosting Same reason I won't point my miners to a pool such as Viabtc, it's the principle All told 18 boards four replaced spare parts purchased 300. Rma shipping .and repairs 300 That is six hundred. And. Down time say 300. So 900 extra from June to Nov. My cost for six units was 10k + the 900 so say 11000 . Say 6k back from selling so 5k down. Earned 2.75 btc so that is 2k so I am down 3k . With 2 machines left. Would be much better off if nothing had broken. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: allinvain on November 08, 2016, 06:27:11 AM I've been trying to add Sonia Xu on skype but lol there are so many people with that name. Does anyone happen to know which is the correct person? Where is her location? I want to talk to her about organizing a possible group buy.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: yxt on November 08, 2016, 12:04:53 PM afaik no MOQ
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: bekonik on November 08, 2016, 03:00:35 PM Sorry for newbee question but do I need to buy and additional controller to manage avalon 7 or this is similar construction like antminer?
Groupbuy will be good idea, anyone? Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 08, 2016, 03:13:48 PM afaik no MOQ good. next question do you still work with Yang of block_c in San Francisco ? Or must we order direct from China? Lastly if I buy 2 or 3 or 4 and something breaks will I need to do warranty with China? I am in NJ and shipping to China is costly. I had bad luck with the S9 and would like to load up with your gear. I just do not want to have same issues of breakdowns and have to send gear to China for warranty service. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: jonnybravo0311 on November 08, 2016, 03:36:36 PM My hosting provider told me there was MOQ of 100 units. I sure hope that information is incorrect!
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 08, 2016, 04:11:15 PM 100 units! :o
If that is true, I hope that they still have some eye for the game to support home miners and take a community group buy with a smaller quantity (like for example 10 units MOQ). edit, found this: https://github.com/Canaan-Creative/cgminer/blob/master/driver-avalon7.h Quote #define AVA7_MM741_ASIC_CNT 22 See this code.... #define AVA7_DEFAULT_MINER_CNT 4 There is also a 88x A3212 chip version of the Avalon7. ??? Canaan Creative AvalonMiner 741. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: ATCkit on November 09, 2016, 12:59:45 AM I hope there is no MOQ. I may do a group buy if anyone is interested in having them hosted with me at CryptoBoreas (Labrador). But if not and there is someone trustworthy that will do a group buy, I'd be interested. Alan, I'll have to tumble the numbers. If they're ok, I'd join in your group buy if there's a MOQ. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: yxt on November 09, 2016, 03:20:45 AM there is no 100 MOQ
... do you still work with Yang of block_c in San Francisco ? Or must we order direct from China? Lastly if I buy 2 or 3 or 4 and something breaks will I need to do warranty with China? I am in NJ and shipping to China is costly. I had bad luck with the S9 and would like to load up with your gear. I just do not want to have same issues of breakdowns and have to send gear to China for warranty service. I don't know about blockC But A7 is much more reliable than the S9 Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on November 09, 2016, 04:28:30 AM I am not happy with these numbers at all. 6TH at 900W for $888. At this point, the only good point is that it should be of much higher quality than offerings from BMT.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: yxt on November 09, 2016, 08:20:39 AM I know that ;)
88 chips wouldn't be double anything... 721 has 72x A3212 asics Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 09, 2016, 10:09:24 AM I wonder if AvalonMiner 741 with more chips could be a little more efficient with efficiency friendly settings.
Maybe 7Th/s / 900W ? Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 09, 2016, 01:42:35 PM I wonder if the software will allow for undervolt and down clock like the a4
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 09, 2016, 01:45:12 PM I wonder if the software will allow for undervolt and down clock like the a4 Yep, that also raises the question if undervolting and downclocking could lead for a better efficiency.For example if you could run one A7 5000Gh/s, 600W. That would bring us to 0.12Gh/s per watt efficiency. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 09, 2016, 02:37:30 PM I wonder if the software will allow for undervolt and down clock like the a4 Yep, that also raises the question if undervolting and downclocking could lead for a better efficiency.For example if you could run one A7 5000Gh/s, 600W. That would bring us to 0.12Gh/s per watt efficiency. the avalon 4 did this. to me in house 1 unit quiet.---- 4-5th 1 unit quiet in my friends office. 4-5th 5 to 10 units top speed in the solar array 6th above is the goal. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: sidehack on November 09, 2016, 02:49:24 PM 72 chips across 2 boards means 36 chips per board. Based off what I've seen, 14/16 likes the 0.4-0.5V range, and there's no good way to stack 36 chips into 12V to get this. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a regulated string of 2x18 chips per board with a dual-phase buck in the 8V 25A-per-phase neighborhood. If that's the case, undervolting might be possible - either directly through the config like the Avalon4, or by a hack like S7.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Goms on November 15, 2016, 02:18:51 AM Yep, that also raises the question if undervolting and downclocking could lead for a better efficiency. For example if you could run one A7 5000Gh/s, 600W. That would bring us to 0.12Gh/s per watt efficiency. I know downclocking makes your rig last longer because there is less heat. If you do not downclock too much, it will have no effect on the efficiency. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: QuintLeo on November 15, 2016, 04:26:16 AM Downclocking by itself has almost no effect on efficiency.
Undervolting (where it works) is where the efficiency gains happen, but usually requires downclocking for the item to work at all when undervolted quite a bit. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 15, 2016, 05:58:36 AM Downclocking by itself has almost no effect on efficiency. Exactly.Undervolting (where it works) is where the efficiency gains happen, but usually requires downclocking for the item to work at all when undervolted quite a bit. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 15, 2016, 12:01:51 PM O ordered 2 and I am still waiting for my payment email.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: revolution82 on November 16, 2016, 07:23:28 PM This may be a question for a different string but with the Avalon 7 using under 1KW do you need to connect the PSU to every available connection? I assume yes but I have a bunch of 1300w power supplies with only 6 PCIe cables.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 16, 2016, 08:45:22 PM This may be a question for a different string but with the Avalon 7 using under 1KW do you need to connect the PSU to every available connection? I assume yes but I have a bunch of 1300w power supplies with only 6 PCIe cables. well my guess is take 4 of your six cables and plug them in to separate corners then find quality splitters for the other 2 cables turning them into 4 plugs then every board has 1.5 cables like this which maybe good https://i.imgur.com/CD4V1B5.png Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: allinvain on November 16, 2016, 11:54:47 PM I wonder if the PCIE jacks on these are strong enough to handle the current flowing through just two plugs per board. I would use 16 AWG cables from the PSU so I'd have 4 PCIE cables per system, 2 per board.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: QuintLeo on November 17, 2016, 12:56:43 AM I wonder if the PCIE jacks on these are strong enough to handle the current flowing through just two plugs per board. I would use 16 AWG cables from the PSU so I'd have 4 PCIE cables per system, 2 per board. 125 watts or less per connector? Trivial - the PCI-E standard for 8-pin connections uses the *SAME* 3 pins for 12VDC as the 6-pin connection yet is rated by the PCI-E group at 150 watts. The actual CONNECTORS used for the PCI-E 6-pin connections are rated at 288 watts - the PCI-E standard is EXCESSIVELY conservative in rating them at 75 watts. As far as A7 reliability - there is NO track record for it, though the A6 had a generally good record which implies but does NOT specify that the A7 should as well. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: sidehack on November 17, 2016, 07:20:28 AM PCIe 6-pin spec only requires two wires for power; 8-pin requires all 3. If you're only using 18AWG wire (which most consumer PSUs do), 150W is a practical upperbound for a 3-hots 6-pin.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: QuintLeo on November 17, 2016, 11:42:34 PM Interesting, I've never seen a PCI-E 6-pin connector that only used 2 wires though.
On the other hand, I stick with high quality PS that don't scrimp.... 9-) Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on November 18, 2016, 12:06:30 AM Interesting, I've never seen a PCI-E 6-pin connector that only used 2 wires though. I think you misunderstand. The 6-pin connector only has two +12V lines according to the standard.On the other hand, I stick with high quality PS that don't scrimp.... 9-) Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 18, 2016, 06:01:11 AM Interesting, I've never seen a PCI-E 6-pin connector that only used 2 wires though. I think you misunderstand. The 6-pin connector only has two +12V lines according to the standard.On the other hand, I stick with high quality PS that don't scrimp.... 9-) So in most cases there is 3x +12V and 3x COM pins. This is the case for most PSUs: http://www.smpspowersupply.com/pciexpress-pinout.GIF The official standard declares the pin number 2 as a "no connection". Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on November 18, 2016, 06:58:18 AM Interesting, I've never seen a PCI-E 6-pin connector that only used 2 wires though. I think you misunderstand. The 6-pin connector only has two +12V lines according to the standard.On the other hand, I stick with high quality PS that don't scrimp.... 9-) So in most cases there is 3x +12V and 3x COM pins. This is the case for most PSUs: http://www.smpspowersupply.com/pciexpress-pinout.GIF The official standard declares the pin number 2 as a "no connection". Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 18, 2016, 01:53:07 PM Interesting, I've never seen a PCI-E 6-pin connector that only used 2 wires though. I think you misunderstand. The 6-pin connector only has two +12V lines according to the standard.On the other hand, I stick with high quality PS that don't scrimp.... 9-) So in most cases there is 3x +12V and 3x COM pins. This is the case for most PSUs: http://www.smpspowersupply.com/pciexpress-pinout.GIF The official standard declares the pin number 2 as a "no connection". Yes one of the grounds is for the GPU's Sense connector to tell that "hey I'am a connected cable". And as I said in most cases there is 3x +12V pins. Official standard though indeed declares that one pin as an empty connection. I haven't personally seen this in any PSUs but it is possible to find this situation. My picture is for most cases, it is not the standard. Here is a link for the pinout according to the standard for those who are interested: http://cdn.overclock.net/a/ac/ac82eb1d_pinout.png Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: in2tactics on November 18, 2016, 06:03:33 PM Yes one of the grounds is for the GPU's Sense connector to tell that "hey I'am a connected cable". The issue that I was taking with your 6-pin depiction was the listing of 3x COM.And as I said in most cases there is 3x +12V pins. Official standard though indeed declares that one pin as an empty connection. I haven't personally seen this in any PSUs but it is possible to find this situation. My picture is for most cases, it is not the standard. Here is a link for the pinout according to the standard for those who are interested: http://cdn.overclock.net/a/ac/ac82eb1d_pinout.png Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 18, 2016, 06:12:49 PM Yes one of the grounds is for the GPU's Sense connector to tell that "hey I'am a connected cable". The issue that I was taking with your 6-pin depiction was the listing of 3x COM.And as I said in most cases there is 3x +12V pins. Official standard though indeed declares that one pin as an empty connection. I haven't personally seen this in any PSUs but it is possible to find this situation. My picture is for most cases, it is not the standard. Here is a link for the pinout according to the standard for those who are interested: http://cdn.overclock.net/a/ac/ac82eb1d_pinout.png The sense in the GPU is grounded and when that circuit so closes, the GPU knows that I got a cable. You are right though that if we are totally official we should call it sense. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: clgrissom3 on November 19, 2016, 04:16:07 PM Has anyone been able to pay for the A721 with anything other than bank transfer?
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 19, 2016, 06:19:35 PM Has anyone been able to pay for the A721 with anything other than bank transfer? I guess not. Phil didn't get a green light for his paypal proposal yet and btc payment has been a no go.I simply can not understand why Canaan is this way stabbing their own knee. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: valkir on November 20, 2016, 06:12:09 PM They will sell only to big company or a person with a lot of money. They will probably lose a lot of sell. Strange call!
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 20, 2016, 06:17:30 PM Has anyone been able to pay for the A721 with anything other than bank transfer? I guess not. Phil didn't get a green light for his paypal proposal yet and btc payment has been a no go.I simply can not understand why Canaan is this way stabbing their own knee. I will get an answer on Monday about paypal. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: clgrissom3 on November 21, 2016, 03:03:36 PM Has anyone been able to pay for the A721 with anything other than bank transfer? I guess not. Phil didn't get a green light for his paypal proposal yet and btc payment has been a no go.I simply can not understand why Canaan is this way stabbing their own knee. I will get an answer on Monday about paypal. My request for any alternate payment method was politely denied. Code: right now our shop is new and we are only offering bank transfer for payment right now until we get the basics down. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 21, 2016, 03:13:28 PM Has anyone been able to pay for the A721 with anything other than bank transfer? I guess not. Phil didn't get a green light for his paypal proposal yet and btc payment has been a no go.I simply can not understand why Canaan is this way stabbing their own knee. I will get an answer on Monday about paypal. My request for any alternate payment method was politely denied. Code: right now our shop is new and we are only offering bank transfer for payment right now until we get the basics down. As was mine Sad as all this just pushes me to GPU mining of Alts. https://i.imgur.com/ALs67Tq.png Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: leowonderful on November 21, 2016, 10:29:00 PM No wonder this miner's not having good sales- one payment option that doesn't work for most people and a rushed 16nm chip with efficiency that barely beats the S7's. Not sure what Canaan is doing right now, they're digging themselves into a hole. Not like many people were going to buy this miner if they accepted BTC and other methods anyways. They're losing money either way, I would've preferred a better thought out miner and payment plan than this mess.
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 21, 2016, 11:57:57 PM No wonder this miner's not having good sales- one payment option that doesn't work for most people and a rushed 16nm chip with efficiency that barely beats the S7's. Not sure what Canaan is doing right now, they're digging themselves into a hole. Not like many people were going to buy this miner if they accepted BTC and other methods anyways. They're losing money either way, I would've preferred a better thought out miner and payment plan than this mess. Well at least amazon and newegg send me gpus fast. I get 1 2 and 3 year warranties on the gear and I have a long return policy. Not that I do this but I could order parts for an entire rig and return it to amazon in late Jan say it failed. And get a refund. This is driving alt coins big time and hurting btc it has been happening since March about 7 months. I have had more luck with alts then btc this year. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: Elphamyto on November 22, 2016, 06:55:13 PM I'm confused. What is with this "The shop is new" talk? Does this have something to do with Canaan's acquisition a few months ago? The company has been on and off the asic production scene for a long time; Avalon 6's were not difficult to get a hold of. So what's going on?
Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: philipma1957 on November 22, 2016, 08:23:16 PM I'm confused. What is with this "The shop is new" talk? Does this have something to do with Canaan's acquisition a few months ago? The company has been on and off the asic production scene for a long time; Avalon 6's were not difficult to get a hold of. So what's going on? I am still efforting to get payment other then bank. I guess this is all about the new ownership. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: HagssFIN on November 22, 2016, 08:40:33 PM I'm confused. What is with this "The shop is new" talk? Does this have something to do with Canaan's acquisition a few months ago? The company has been on and off the asic production scene for a long time; Avalon 6's were not difficult to get a hold of. So what's going on? I am still efforting to get payment other then bank. I guess this is all about the new ownership. Title: Re: Avalon 7 Post by: VRobb on November 22, 2016, 08:43:02 PM Well whatever is going on they didn't seem to do the most cursory of due diligence, for if they did they would have quickly found out that bank wire transfer is the least likely payment method to be used by BTC miners...DUH!
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