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Title: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: JasonXG on June 09, 2016, 09:49:07 AM Counting cards. We all have heard about it, most probably we all have seen it on TV. Apparently casino owners don't like it. But exactly how useful is counting cards. I saw it on American dad the other day while watching Netflix and it got me thinking and I become very interested.
Is card counting advantageous ? On paper it certainly sounds very good. Is it simply a myth ? If it is real/true how much advantage do you actually get if any at all ? Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: eternalgloom on June 09, 2016, 09:55:25 AM Counting cards. We all have heard about it, most probably we all have seen it on TV. Apparently casino owners don't like it. But exactly how useful is counting cards. I saw it on American dad the other day while watching Netflix and it got me thinking and I become very interested. It's definitely real and casinos don't like it and afaik they can remove + ban you from the casino if they find out. Is card counting advantageous ? On paper it certainly sounds very good. Is it simply a myth ? If it is real/true how much advantage do you actually get if any at all ? Have you not heard about the MIT blackjack team? There was a movie about it. You can find out more on the wiki page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_Blackjack_Team Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: Rubberduckie on June 09, 2016, 10:43:01 AM Counting cards. We all have heard about it, most probably we all have seen it on TV. Apparently casino owners don't like it. But exactly how useful is counting cards. I saw it on American dad the other day while watching Netflix and it got me thinking and I become very interested. It's definitely real and casinos don't like it and afaik they can remove + ban you from the casino if they find out. Is card counting advantageous ? On paper it certainly sounds very good. Is it simply a myth ? If it is real/true how much advantage do you actually get if any at all ? Have you not heard about the MIT blackjack team? There was a movie about it. You can find out more on the wiki page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_Blackjack_Team the movie about it is called 21 its a great movie I loved it (kevin spacey) is in it. Its based on that Mit true story Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: seuntjie on June 09, 2016, 10:50:31 AM Card counting is very real and can be very advantageous for the gambler and is relatively easy if you practice it a bit. Doing it discreetly and not getting caught might need some acting skills though.
Something to note though: Card counting requires multiple decks shuffled together and consecutive games being played from the same deck until it runs out. This means it can only work at a physical casino using real cards. Digital poker and blackjack shuffle a new deck /sets of decks for every game Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: SyGambler on June 09, 2016, 11:05:08 AM counting cards doesn't only reduce the odds of losing , it actually gives the player the edge over the casino
it's hard a lot and casinos these days are more aware of such things , but yeah there are many stories about players who succeeded to beat the casinos in the past Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: xuan87 on June 09, 2016, 11:07:03 AM Its real and its very advantageous technique that even casino need to banned the person from get inside of the casino, but its very difficult and complicated technique to master, but if you succeed you can become millionaire just in 1 night
Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: iv4n on June 09, 2016, 11:14:51 AM It`s not a myth, but its really hard to count cards. Did you ever try simple game with cards. You take all deck and you have just 2 seconds per card, then you try to remember how they are lined? Well try and tell us how much cards did you remember.
And that was easy, you were concentrated on that. But under casino lights, million sounds around, real money in front of you, watchin about who knows how many things.. and in that moment try to count cards. Well its very very hard thing to do. You need to have good memory, and to practice it a lot. Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: eternalgloom on June 09, 2016, 11:21:32 AM It`s not a myth, but its really hard to count cards. Did you ever try simple game with cards. You take all deck and you have just 2 seconds per card, then you try to remember how they are lined? Well try and tell us how much cards did you remember. And that was easy, you were concentrated on that. But under casino lights, million sounds around, real money in front of you, watchin about who knows how many things.. and in that moment try to count cards. Well its very very hard thing to do. You need to have good memory, and to practice it a lot. Card counting is very real and can be very advantageous for the gambler and is relatively easy if you practice it a bit. Doing it discreetly and not getting caught might need some acting skills though. So what is it? One person says it's relativily easy and one says it's hard.. Something to note though: Card counting requires multiple decks shuffled together and consecutive games being played from the same deck until it runs out. This means it can only work at a physical casino using real cards. Digital poker and blackjack shuffle a new deck /sets of decks for every game I've heard there are some tricks that make it indeed pretty easy to learn. Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: PeRo on June 09, 2016, 11:22:33 AM It is a real method on trying to 'cheat' the game and win money. Altough you see it is possible on films and TV, it's not flawless. It is impossible to count all cards and winning all rounds, no one has ever done that.
But, you can count it to decrease loss chances and it improves your game by 50%- 80% depending on the method you use. I myself use 2 card counting methods and they aren't always flawless as you think, but it does improve your game and you can actually earn some money out of it. But be careful if you use it. It is legal because you aren'r really cheating, but the casino manager can kick you out for life. Also, you have easy methods which improve your game by a little, and you have harder which give you a bigger chance. Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: BitMaxz on June 09, 2016, 12:04:39 PM interesting method never heard this counting cards but i just watching it the video just now here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHqk-YchWCM
This is only works in blackjack? the normal odds is 2% so if you use counting cards it will drops to 0.5% or little tiny ods.. Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: srgkrgkj on June 09, 2016, 12:09:48 PM its a real technique but it only gives you a slight edge normally house edge is around 2 but counting cards lets you get a 0.5 or something edge still up to chance tho
Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: seuntjie on June 09, 2016, 12:20:57 PM Most people think that counting cards is memorizing the order they are in and exactly what has been played/still need to be played. This is not true. To count cards you need to remember 3 basic rules:
10+: -1 7-9: 0 2-6: +1 That's it. When a deck is shuffled, the count is 0. For every card that is played, add the cards value (-1, 0, +1) to the count. For example if a jack is played, -1 from the count, or if a 2 is played, add 1 to the count. when a decks count is very high, it means there are many more high cards left in the deck which makes it more likely for the house to bust. So how hard is it to go: 0+1=1 1+1 =2 2+1=3 3+0=3 3+1=4 4-1=3 3-+1=4 Edit: This is applicable to blackjack. I'm not 100% certain how it works for poker, but I'd assume it works something similar. Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: srgkrgkj on June 09, 2016, 12:29:18 PM Most people think that counting cards is memorizing the order they are in and exactly what has been played/still need to be played. This is not true. To count cards you need to remember 3 basic rules: 10+: -1 7-9: 0 2-6: +1 That's it. When a deck is shuffled, the count is 0. For every card that is played, add the cards value (-1, 0, +1) to the count. For example if a jack is played, -1 from the count, or if a 2 is played, add 1 to the count. when a decks count is very high, it means there are many more high cards left in the deck which makes it more likely for the house to bust. So how hard is it to go: 0+1=1 1+1 =2 2+1=3 3+0=3 3+1=4 4-1=3 3-+1=4 Edit: This is applicable to blackjack. I'm not 100% certain how it works for poker, but I'd assume it works something similar. nice explanation mate simpler than youtube tutorials lol its applicable to online bitcoin casinos too right ? I know about it irl it works Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: Fortify on June 09, 2016, 12:52:00 PM Most people think that counting cards is memorizing the order they are in and exactly what has been played/still need to be played. This is not true. To count cards you need to remember 3 basic rules: 10+: -1 7-9: 0 2-6: +1 That's it. When a deck is shuffled, the count is 0. For every card that is played, add the cards value (-1, 0, +1) to the count. For example if a jack is played, -1 from the count, or if a 2 is played, add 1 to the count. when a decks count is very high, it means there are many more high cards left in the deck which makes it more likely for the house to bust. So how hard is it to go: 0+1=1 1+1 =2 2+1=3 3+0=3 3+1=4 4-1=3 3-+1=4 Edit: This is applicable to blackjack. I'm not 100% certain how it works for poker, but I'd assume it works something similar. nice explanation mate simpler than youtube tutorials lol its applicable to online bitcoin casinos too right ? I know about it irl it works That is a great explanation for real world casinos but is not applicable to a majority of web games. Online casinos work with random number generators and the house edge is hard coded into the game at some stage - long term you will lose, short term you might gain. Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: BitMaxz on June 09, 2016, 12:55:24 PM Most people think that counting cards is memorizing the order they are in and exactly what has been played/still need to be played. This is not true. To count cards you need to remember 3 basic rules: So this method is just not in poker and it can also use in poker games? if thats the case its hard to apply this method in poker. 10+: -1 7-9: 0 2-6: +1 That's it. When a deck is shuffled, the count is 0. For every card that is played, add the cards value (-1, 0, +1) to the count. For example if a jack is played, -1 from the count, or if a 2 is played, add 1 to the count. when a decks count is very high, it means there are many more high cards left in the deck which makes it more likely for the house to bust. So how hard is it to go: 0+1=1 1+1 =2 2+1=3 3+0=3 3+1=4 4-1=3 3-+1=4 Edit: This is applicable to blackjack. I'm not 100% certain how it works for poker, but I'd assume it works something similar. Maybe there is other explanation methods if it will apply it in poker.. This methods is interesting and i already try it in poker. looks like i can master this method and make a profit.. just now i experience of making a profit in poker.. i will wait for other explanation for poker i will try it too.. Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: thermost on June 09, 2016, 12:55:51 PM It's real if the deck is not shuffled after every hand. Then you can count card with simple algo:
Low cards: 2-6 are counted as +1 Medimu cards: 7,8,9 are counted as 0 High cards: Ace, 10, K J, Q are counted as -1 So you count all cards on table, every hand, and then when the counting is high, you raise your bet amount. But it's worthless at online casinos, because all shuffle deck every time. Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: seuntjie on June 09, 2016, 01:55:23 PM Most people think that counting cards is memorizing the order they are in and exactly what has been played/still need to be played. This is not true. To count cards you need to remember 3 basic rules: 10+: -1 7-9: 0 2-6: +1 That's it. When a deck is shuffled, the count is 0. For every card that is played, add the cards value (-1, 0, +1) to the count. For example if a jack is played, -1 from the count, or if a 2 is played, add 1 to the count. when a decks count is very high, it means there are many more high cards left in the deck which makes it more likely for the house to bust. So how hard is it to go: 0+1=1 1+1 =2 2+1=3 3+0=3 3+1=4 4-1=3 3-+1=4 Edit: This is applicable to blackjack. I'm not 100% certain how it works for poker, but I'd assume it works something similar. nice explanation mate simpler than youtube tutorials lol its applicable to online bitcoin casinos too right ? I know about it irl it works Most people think that counting cards is memorizing the order they are in and exactly what has been played/still need to be played. This is not true. To count cards you need to remember 3 basic rules: 10+: -1 7-9: 0 2-6: +1 That's it. When a deck is shuffled, the count is 0. For every card that is played, add the cards value (-1, 0, +1) to the count. For example if a jack is played, -1 from the count, or if a 2 is played, add 1 to the count. when a decks count is very high, it means there are many more high cards left in the deck which makes it more likely for the house to bust. So how hard is it to go: 0+1=1 1+1 =2 2+1=3 3+0=3 3+1=4 4-1=3 3-+1=4 Edit: This is applicable to blackjack. I'm not 100% certain how it works for poker, but I'd assume it works something similar. nice explanation mate simpler than youtube tutorials lol its applicable to online bitcoin casinos too right ? I know about it irl it works That is a great explanation for real world casinos but is not applicable to a majority of web games. Online casinos work with random number generators and the house edge is hard coded into the game at some stage - long term you will lose, short term you might gain. Most people think that counting cards is memorizing the order they are in and exactly what has been played/still need to be played. This is not true. To count cards you need to remember 3 basic rules: So this method is just not in poker and it can also use in poker games? if thats the case its hard to apply this method in poker. 10+: -1 7-9: 0 2-6: +1 That's it. When a deck is shuffled, the count is 0. For every card that is played, add the cards value (-1, 0, +1) to the count. For example if a jack is played, -1 from the count, or if a 2 is played, add 1 to the count. when a decks count is very high, it means there are many more high cards left in the deck which makes it more likely for the house to bust. So how hard is it to go: 0+1=1 1+1 =2 2+1=3 3+0=3 3+1=4 4-1=3 3-+1=4 Edit: This is applicable to blackjack. I'm not 100% certain how it works for poker, but I'd assume it works something similar. Maybe there is other explanation methods if it will apply it in poker.. This methods is interesting and i already try it in poker. looks like i can master this method and make a profit.. just now i experience of making a profit in poker.. i will wait for other explanation for poker i will try it too.. See my first post in this thread: Card counting is very real and can be very advantageous for the gambler and is relatively easy if you practice it a bit. Doing it discreetly and not getting caught might need some acting skills though. Something to note though: Card counting requires multiple decks shuffled together and consecutive games being played from the same deck until it runs out. This means it can only work at a physical casino using real cards. Digital poker and blackjack shuffle a new deck /sets of decks for every game Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: JasonXG on June 09, 2016, 02:10:46 PM Counting cards. We all have heard about it, most probably we all have seen it on TV. Apparently casino owners don't like it. But exactly how useful is counting cards. I saw it on American dad the other day while watching Netflix and it got me thinking and I become very interested. It's definitely real and casinos don't like it and afaik they can remove + ban you from the casino if they find out. Is card counting advantageous ? On paper it certainly sounds very good. Is it simply a myth ? If it is real/true how much advantage do you actually get if any at all ? Have you not heard about the MIT blackjack team? There was a movie about it. You can find out more on the wiki page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_Blackjack_Team I know you can be banned haha uptight casino owners, but that's about all i know. Thanks for the link it helps alot and answers many questions. It is so very interesting. I think i will watch that movie too. Thanks again :) interesting method never heard this counting cards but i just watching it the video just now here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHqk-YchWCM This is only works in blackjack? the normal odds is 2% so if you use counting cards it will drops to 0.5% or little tiny ods.. I'm really bad at blackjack xP Most people think that counting cards is memorizing the order they are in and exactly what has been played/still need to be played. This is not true. To count cards you need to remember 3 basic rules: 10+: -1 7-9: 0 2-6: +1 That's it. When a deck is shuffled, the count is 0. For every card that is played, add the cards value (-1, 0, +1) to the count. For example if a jack is played, -1 from the count, or if a 2 is played, add 1 to the count. when a decks count is very high, it means there are many more high cards left in the deck which makes it more likely for the house to bust. So how hard is it to go: 0+1=1 1+1 =2 2+1=3 3+0=3 3+1=4 4-1=3 3-+1=4 Edit: This is applicable to blackjack. I'm not 100% certain how it works for poker, but I'd assume it works something similar. How does one count cards anyway ? I think it is better with a friend ? Also can the same be applied online ? Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: Snorek on June 09, 2016, 02:25:51 PM Counting cards is legit strategy and help you win a bit more. But I never had the patience to learn thid method. And I honestly have no idea if this is applicable in online Black Jack.
I found this tutorial and I go going through it now. It might be helpful for some people: http://www.wikihow.com/Count-Cards (http://www.wikihow.com/Count-Cards) Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: seuntjie on June 09, 2016, 02:32:01 PM Most people think that counting cards is memorizing the order they are in and exactly what has been played/still need to be played. This is not true. To count cards you need to remember 3 basic rules: 10+: -1 7-9: 0 2-6: +1 That's it. When a deck is shuffled, the count is 0. For every card that is played, add the cards value (-1, 0, +1) to the count. For example if a jack is played, -1 from the count, or if a 2 is played, add 1 to the count. when a decks count is very high, it means there are many more high cards left in the deck which makes it more likely for the house to bust. So how hard is it to go: 0+1=1 1+1 =2 2+1=3 3+0=3 3+1=4 4-1=3 3-+1=4 Edit: This is applicable to blackjack. I'm not 100% certain how it works for poker, but I'd assume it works something similar. How does one count cards anyway ? I think it is better with a friend ? Also can the same be applied online ? The post you quoted explains the basics of counting cards... Having 1 player that count the cards and notifies the other player when the count is high works well. Also, the post literally just above yours quotes a post that says it cannot be applied online because online games shuffles the deck after every game Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: newcripto on June 09, 2016, 02:38:59 PM It is definitely real thing which works.The main thing is everyone simply can not count cards during tough situation.There are plenty of players who has ability has because of this they make money most of their bets.This is when you are in physical casino but online is really hard to apply this strategy of counting cards.
Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: JasonXG on June 09, 2016, 02:52:55 PM It is definitely real thing which works.The main thing is everyone simply can not count cards during tough situation.There are plenty of players who has ability has because of this they make money most of their bets.This is when you are in physical casino but online is really hard to apply this strategy of counting cards. I wonder how exactly its done. I have heard that people pace their fingers like a spider when they count and must be very fast. I mean the cards go through so fast. I have also heard of dishonest casinoes adding another deck. Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: bithasher on June 09, 2016, 03:27:55 PM I am also good in counting of cards and couple of my friends are expert in this thing.When at weekend we all are together surely cards in usual things to play for fun.It is art and necessary if you want to be called gambler.Unfortunately you can not apply this thing in online casinos as your have no idea what is happening around you.
Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: WaffleMaster on June 09, 2016, 04:21:53 PM It's simple addition or subtraction. Once the odds go a certain way then you make a bigger bet because you have an increased edge. This betting behavior is what casinos look for when catching card counters. Also, dealers are trained to count cards and recognize card counting themselves, especially for single deck blackjack.
Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: x13 on June 09, 2016, 05:21:45 PM In real casinos it is hard to do, although it is impossible. If you are good at counting cards then you should try online video blackjack. I tried it on Betcoin once and I could not see a way how the casinos could oberve if you are counting cards or not. This could be a good way to make some money, but I did not try it. Just an observation.
counting cards doesn't only reduce the odds of losing , it actually gives the player the edge over the casino it's hard a lot and casinos these days are more aware of such things , but yeah there are many stories about players who succeeded to beat the casinos in the past Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: JasonXG on June 09, 2016, 09:06:15 PM I am also good in counting of cards and couple of my friends are expert in this thing.When at weekend we all are together surely cards in usual things to play for fun.It is art and necessary if you want to be called gambler.Unfortunately you can not apply this thing in online casinos as your have no idea what is happening around you. Have you ever done it at a casino ? How much did you make if you have ? It`s not a myth, but its really hard to count cards. Did you ever try simple game with cards. You take all deck and you have just 2 seconds per card, then you try to remember how they are lined? Well try and tell us how much cards did you remember. And that was easy, you were concentrated on that. But under casino lights, million sounds around, real money in front of you, watchin about who knows how many things.. and in that moment try to count cards. Well its very very hard thing to do. You need to have good memory, and to practice it a lot. I tried and wow, lol no i can't remember anything xP Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: RichBC on June 09, 2016, 09:25:45 PM Counting cards in Blackjack as described with the plus Minus strategy is only part of the story and in many respects the easy part of improving your odds.
Even before bothering with card counting you must learn and apply the Basic Strategy of how to play every hand taking account of your cards & the Dealer up card. Now the tricky bit dependant on the "Count" which has to be normalised for how far through the deck(s) the dealer has gone you then modify your bet and also the way the cards are played. It's also got tougher these days to find a good game with Casinos only paying 6:5 for Blackjack and Hitting a soft 17. So yes it's worth it, but takes a lot of practice and can make you head hurt.... :) Rich Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: Jog4444 on June 09, 2016, 09:50:32 PM Its very real as everyone else has stated.
and it is surprisingly easy to learn OP. Learned it during college for craps and giggles. Doesn't change the games odds persay, it justs a way of you knowing when the odds are in your favor via the count. I play BJ at bars btw, never at a casino. I'm sure casino has faster hands than the half tipsy bar tender does. Just don't get caught, its not fun getting kicked out x) CHEERS Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: RichBC on June 10, 2016, 06:28:52 AM I used to get to Vegas once a year back in the late 80's, used to go to Comdex which was a big computer exhibition and was when I first started counting cards at Blackjack.
On a trip playing Basic Strategy and just using the count to vary bets and a few tweeks on when to draw I used to recon on playing for as long as I wanted and would usually make a few hundred Dollars on the trip. Remember one Day when a friend and I had a break from the Computers and had been playing for a couple of Hours in the old Bourbon Street Hotel. I was counting and my friend was following my lead. We had been loosing and it was getting to time to go back to work. The table had a deal that left it awash with low cards. It was towards the end of the shoe and the count was sky high. I pushed the remainder of my chips out for the next hand and my friend did the same. Pit Boss came over and pushed the money back saying they did not want our business and we were asked to leave. So yes it works, more difficult these Days as the conditions since the recession are not as good as they used to be, but with good Basic Strategy and some bet variance according to the count you can get close to even with the house. Worth remembering that a lot of the online games shuffle between every hand, so no point in counting. Rich Title: Re: Counting cards ? Reducing odds of losing ? Is it real ? Post by: JasonXG on June 10, 2016, 01:52:00 PM I used to get to Vegas once a year back in the late 80's, used to go to Comdex which was a big computer exhibition and was when I first started counting cards at Blackjack. On a trip playing Basic Strategy and just using the count to vary bets and a few tweeks on when to draw I used to recon on playing for as long as I wanted and would usually make a few hundred Dollars on the trip. Remember one Day when a friend and I had a break from the Computers and had been playing for a couple of Hours in the old Bourbon Street Hotel. I was counting and my friend was following my lead. We had been loosing and it was getting to time to go back to work. The table had a deal that left it awash with low cards. It was towards the end of the shoe and the count was sky high. I pushed the remainder of my chips out for the next hand and my friend did the same. Pit Boss came over and pushed the money back saying they did not want our business and we were asked to leave. So yes it works, more difficult these Days as the conditions since the recession are not as good as they used to be, but with good Basic Strategy and some bet variance according to the count you can get close to even with the house. Worth remembering that a lot of the online games shuffle between every hand, so no point in counting. Rich Wow that pitboss does like such a dick. You just want to win your loses back. Lol I like bow he called it "your business" yea casino owners can't handle when they out smarted but its totally cool if they cheat. Load of crap if you ask me. Sorry that , that had to happen. Not sure why he did that if you were already losing. Greedy huh? |