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According to Elon Musk, there's one in a billion chance that we're living in base reality.  It seems that he's persuaded by the 'simulation argument'.  It's an idea by philosopher and futurologist Nick Bostrom which states that our future descendants have created simulations by the millions, so that makes it possible that we are living in one now.

More about the simulation argument:  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis)

Watch Elon Musk talk about what he thinks about the huge possibility that we're all in a simulation:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=bUc9LYe55wI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=bUc9LYe55wI)

Watch Nick Bostrom talk about the simulation argument here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnl6nY8YKHs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnl6nY8YKHs)

It could be possible i guess, would this mean that
if a simulation reaches high enough technology know how
to create their own simulation that there could endless
simulations inside of simulations?

No the Simulation would probaly end at that point.

Btw. If we are a simulation it is pretty useless to talk about it because we as the inhabitants cant differ simulation from reality because it is the same for us.

In my Opinion a simulation is one of the more logical ideas of how life exists, I find it easier to believe this than to believe half the shit that Christians and Muslims come out with. It does make you wonder though, who is running the simulation and are they even human? are you in a multiplayer simulation? is it single player or are you just an npc?

I do not understand anything that simulation idea!

http://www.kappit.com/img/pics/86813199cgfge_sm.jpg

What?! Is he too chicken to come right out and say he is a flat-earther?

 ;D

Cool! So anyone can get a machine gun, go out in a night club and kill dozens of people. Hey, if everything's simulated, who cares?
Could someone hack the software to replace my car with a Ferrari?
Wonder if I will rape a blonde or a brunette tomorrow...
No, wait, is the police part of the simulation?

Not everybody dies. Many are in great pain for life from your machine gun thing.

The simulation is far more complex than most people understand. It isn't as easy as Neo made it look.

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Guys he said there's a billionth of a chance we aren't in a simulation and then we would get to high technology to create a simulation. So either we create the simulation or we're in it

Exactly.  The thing is at the pace technology's development is going, we could create a real world simulation sooner or later.  Once it's there, you cannot help but wonder what if we're actually in one.  And if we do accept it, how do we prove or disprove it?

A thought about where to start proving it.

Already a long time ago high school science classes were teaching that hydrogen atoms are made out of one proton and one electron. The electron revolves around the proton, something like the earth revolves around the sun. (Flat earth people, this is not for you. Browse elsewhere.)

A hydrogen atom is extremely tiny. But if you enlarged one so that the proton in the center was the size of a pinpoint - barely visible in the palm of your hand - the electron would be flashing around it as much as 100 feet away.

What would there be in between the electron and the proton? Nothing... just empty space, just like there is in reality. And while the other atoms are a bit more complex than the hydrogen atom, they are essentially made up of a few little protons, neutrons and electrons... all bouncing around in a gigantic amount of empty space that makes up the vast majority of the volume of any atom.

When you realize that all this stuff that seems so solid in life, is really just a bunch of empty space, you can start to see that this whole thing really is a simulation.

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One of the clues that point to simulation: Repeatable test show an active and adaptive force is blocking certain particle mapping works. We are not going to be able to create simulations of this quality, whatever created our sim, withheld the tools needed. No replicators, no transporters.
 I think a good question now is, what will this program do now that the sims know their sims?

It probably wouldnt even really matter, its not like the sims can get out of the simulation or anything. And the sims learning that they are in a sim is all part of the sim. It might be different if ooe of the sims managed to activate some Leet hax though =p .

We are more than the sum of our parts. We invent ideas witch are not part of our original programing. This gives me hope that anything is possible.
 Why would they run this simulation, if they already knew what would evolve from it? They would not.

That makes us sound special though,  maybe there are millions of simulations running each with varying slight differences ( parallel world's if you like) .  In an attempt to see which simulation has whatever it is they are looking for.

he might be smoking too much grass, and shouldn't have watched the matrix while high. Guess as long as he keeps inviting his imagination.

Maybe for entertainment purposes...?  What if people from the real world enter the sim to be entertained and basically to play this game called life.  Imagine playing Grand Theft Auto but in a more realistic setting.  I know I'd pay to play that game to be quite honest.

Or maybe for experimentation purposes.  Maybe they wanna see how humans lived in different historical times.  We could be a sim right inside a museum, or in a lab somewhere like an ant farm where everyone can be observed by the people up there in the real world.

The reality is, who knows why...  Then again, if this is really the real world, what is the purpose of all this?

I'm not a gamer but I like to check the level of similarity with the real world from time to time. Well I'd say we should wait a million years or maybe more until the similarity will be achieved.

But if we're really inside of a sim, how do we really know the difference?  How do we know that the leaves of the trees in here look as real as they are outside the sim?  

And why wait a million years?  It all already looks real, watch the Avengers or some Marvel comic book movie that uses a lot of CGI...  Watch The Jungle Book.  It looks all real.  

Because our real simulation is a trillion times more complex than the Matrix movie simulation.

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So meaning it's possible after a million years.  But how do we know that million years has not been passed if we're actually inside a simulation? 

It doesn't make any difference, does it? The complexity of the real-life simulation is something that will have to be dealt with, at least partially, through the subconscious. And there really isn't anybody who knows what goes on even in their own subconscious mind. Matrix-like simulation was there to give us ideas, not to show us the way things exist.

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Lol Elon Musk has always been a little out there hasn't he  :D Some of the things he says are tinfoil hat level ramblings and yet he seems to get away with it and even manages to get the audience hooked. But it's cool, there is definitely need for some wackiness in tech, it helps expand our horizons  :)

He gets away with it because he has already achieved so much that it's hard not to take him seriously.  Did you hear about his detailed presentation coming out on September about how he'll send the first manned mission to Mars?  20 years ago we would laugh at him.  People don't laugh at his face now because we know he can make it happen.

What do you mean by that?  That sims are more of an experiment rather than for entertainment and historical value?

I mean that the idea of Neo in the Matrix has nothing to do with reality. The complexity of reality makes the Matrix idea something we could not fathom if we devoted a thousand years to full study of it. The best idea is to use our sim, and live life.

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I'll believe we live in a simulation if someone can proves me it was invented by alien lizards. Humans aren't smart enough to create something so complex as today's world.

Actually, it's way worse than that.

Computer science engineers are trying to build AI. Regarding the reality simulation we are living in, we are the AI.

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But then again, if we really are in a sim, how do we really know the 'complexity of reality' is?  We won't even know what 'reality' really is because we haven't experienced it.

All you are really saying is that the idea is fun to play with. Or, maybe it is painful for you.

The sim is complex, right? Now many choices does that give us for what reality is like?

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?  Can you please rephrase?  I don't know where you're getting at.  Thanks.

This is something you muse about over drinks or a bowl with close friends. You don't say shit like this out loud, especially when you are looking for additional VC and want then to take you seriously.

This simulation did not start a million years ago. It started with the big bang and has been running about 15 billion years. Our entire universe is simulated. (if true)
 Theres a refresh rate for our universe. Its around a trillion times per second, but it exists.
Is there a quantum mechanic in the house?

True.  But this is a guy who has already achieved so much and is considered somewhat a titan in the business world.  And not only that, his businesses are forward moving and future facing.  On September he's going to show everyone his detailed plan on how to send a man to Mars then back.  Despite of expressing what he really thinks, how can you really not take him seriously?

But what if our 15 billion years = 15 hours on base reality?  And how would you know it takes that much refresh rate to mimic reality if one has not experienced it?

Come on. You are only imagining that you are asking these questions. You are in the simulation, and haven't really asked anything.

 ;D

Then again, how do I know I'm really in a simulation if I haven't experienced reality?  How do I kmow that I'm only imagining asking a question when I am really actually asking a question?

It doesn't really matter, since you only think that you are asking the question. Or do you?

 ;D

But but but... he created tesla...

The supposed iconic man besides mark zurkeberg.. I dont blame the guy though cause hes doing what most people with money do anyways.

It sad to see the corruption but what can you do about it..?

 "But what if our 15 billion years = 15 hours on base reality?  And how would you know it takes that much refresh rate to mimic reality if one has not experienced it?"

 If 15 billion here = 15 hours there, their reality would seem to us like a 1983 web-cam live stream. As to refresh rates, a natural reality should not have one. imo.

Hey. It's a simulation. If you manage to get out, there's no way to know what to expect. Could be anything. Stay in the simulation and forget about it... and start living a happy life.

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I totally agree.  But I don't agree in forgetting about it.  I think the simulation argument is something good to talk about to start a stimulating conversation.  

Like, when you say simulation, is this a simulation where all of you live in my mind simulation or do we all live inside a common simulation?

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The rockets are over priced maybe because there is only a very small market for it. So SpaceX is forced to sell them at high margins. I do disgaree that they are of low quality. They have recently made their rockets land vertically on ground. I don't think low quality rockets like of Russia can do that. Elon Musk is also planning on sending a man on Mars of which the full details will be released this September. It is doubtful that they will make low quality rockets for the first man on Mars.

I hope you guys realize that these types of "theories" are a dime a dozen, all you need is a few six-packs, some good weed (DMT or peyote for a more immersive experience complete with all-encompassing truths) and a bunch of friends. I had plenty of these sessions while at uni and every time the stuff we came up with was Nobel prize material  ;D

Nick bostrom is not that kind of scientist :P

You don't think Elon Musk's argument is valid when he said we have developed so much in technology that in over a thousand years it would be possible to construct a simulation that will be very realistic, you won't know the difference. If it is possible, then it is possible that we are living in one now.

It makes sense to think in that way. If human can create a virtual reality that we can not differentiate then the  possibility is we are already living in a simulation. Like in the movie matrix. It's concept was developed almost a century ago. even the Spiritual leader talk about this world being an illusion. This 3D dimension is not the reality !!!!

Yes, it is simulation, but it is not Elon Musk s idea.

Looks more like a problem with our senses. And how we make sense of the world. We can't intuitively understand how the world works. The example you gave is good but there are many others. But none of that means reality must conform to our views. Or that if this is a simulation the reality outside would work like we think it should.

It's all fake, space is a lie; there are no rockets or satellites up there. SpaceX is 100% hoax, and a bad one at that too.



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What do you mean by "space is a lie"? Can you explain a little bit more? Because your statement is very vague. I do not know if you are serious or joking.

That statement cannot be true unless faster than light is possible.

when we are talking about different dimensions Light doesn't match up. The simulation can not be compared to the speed of light I guess. If we are living in a simulation then the base reality may not consider time. Maybe the past,preset and future are happening at the same time !!!!!

^ There is no "base reality" Musk is a liar and he's just trying to get everybody to believe bullshit.

My opinion is that;

 We are really spiritual beings.
  As spirits we have no flesh, bones or blood.
  As spirits we can be compared to the wind.
  As spirits we are not tangible.
  Because we are as the wind, we are very interconnected, as spirits.

As spirits we are conscious and can take seeming form, but we are not tangible.

The physical realm gives tangibility to spirits.
Physicality is the "clothing" of spirituality.
Adam and Eve were created fully clothed,
and generally were aware that they are spirits controlling the flesh for the sake of tangibility.
The snake tricked Adam and Eve into eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
The fruit made them more physically aware, but less spiritually aware.
And therefore they then desired physical clothing.
They perhaps could have eaten the fruit after first growing in spiritual knowledge.

For eating the fruit their spirits would naturally loose hold of their bodies,
and their bodies eventually expire; they needed the tree of life to counteract this effect.
Over time mankind has become less and less spiritually aware.
The snake seeks to keep us completely spiritually unaware
by having us believe in physical aliens from other physical planets. Revelation 13:6

It's an interesting idea, but if past, present and future happen at the same time, why does my clock only show one time?

Why does the world have to have a purpose? Why do we have to have a purpose? This is the reality and there is no simulation. We are here because we are. There is nothing special about us, our planet or our consciousness. I believe this, our reality, exists in abundance all over the universe.

Well, who knows if we are living in a simulation or not. But one thing is certain. We are living a lot closer to Heaven than we are to Hell. Consider...

Absolute zero - the coldest things can get - is around -460 F. Absolute hot is an unknown, but it is somewhere up in the hundreds of millions of degrees or something.

Hell is hot, right? We are much closer to as cold as we can get, than we are to as hot as we can get.

 ;D

He was talking about past, present and future happening at the same time in the base reality. So assuming we are living in a simulation the real world could behave very differently than here. But I also saw that idea suggested for the way things happen in this world in other places: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YycAzdtUIko won't pretend to understand how that would work but looks interesting.

^ the only simulation here is Musk and his SpaceX hoax.



https://i.imgur.com/7Tb3NeQ.jpg

The idea is much older.
Watch Fassbinder

True. It is much older. As the wikipedia link op posted says the idea this reality could be an illusion goes back to ancient religious texts. But in science fiction the idea appears before fassbinder. Maybe starting in the 40s or 50s in a modern form. Philip k. dick has a lot on the subject for example.