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Where did you hear the news from? Also, what is (s)he being charged with? Post a link or it's just a made up rumor.

===== BEGIN SIGNED MESSAGE =====
To the DAO and the Ethereum community,
 
I have carefully examined the code of The DAO and decided to participate after finding the feature where splitting is rewarded with additional ether. I have made use of this feature and have rightfully claimed 3,641,694 ether, and would like to thank the DAO for this reward. It is my understanding that the DAO code contains this feature to promote decentralization and encourage the creation of "child DAOs".
 
I am disappointed by those who are characterizing the use of this intentional feature as "theft". I am making use of this explicitly coded feature as per the smart contract terms and my law firm has advised me that my action is fully compliant with United States criminal and tort law. For reference please review the terms of the DAO:
 
"The terms of The DAO Creation are set forth in the smart contract code existing on the Ethereum blockchain at 0xbb9bc244d798123fde783fcc1c72d3bb8c189413. Nothing in this explanation of terms or in any other document or communication may modify or add any additional obligations or guarantees beyond those set forth in The DAO’s code. Any and all explanatory terms or descriptions are merely offered for educational purposes and do not supercede or modify the express terms of The DAO’s code set forth on the blockchain; to the extent you believe there to be any conflict or discrepancy between the descriptions offered here and the functionality of The DAO’s code at 0xbb9bc244d798123fde783fcc1c72d3bb8c189413, The DAO’s code controls and sets forth all terms of The DAO Creation."
 
A soft or hard fork would amount to seizure of my legitimate and rightful ether, claimed legally through the terms of a smart contract. Such fork would permanently and irrevocably ruin all confidence in not only Ethereum but also the in the field of smart contracts and blockchain technology. Many large Ethereum holders will dump their ether, and developers, researchers, and companies will leave Ethereum. Make no mistake: any fork, soft or hard, will further damage Ethereum and destroy its reputation and appeal.
 
I reserve all rights to take any and all legal action against any accomplices of illegitimate theft, freezing, or seizure of my legitimate ether, and am actively working with my law firm. Those accomplices will be receiving Cease and Desist notices in the mail shortly.
 
I hope this event becomes an valuable learning experience for the Ethereum community and wish you all the best of luck.
 
Yours truly,
"The Attacker"
===== END SIGNED MESSAGE =====
 
Message Hash (Keccak): 0xaf9e302a664122389d17ee0fa4394d0c24c33236143c1f26faed97ebbd017d0e
Signature: 0x5f91152a2382b4acfdbfe8ad3c6c8cde45f73f6147d39b072c81637fe81006061603908f692dc 15a1b6ead217785cf5e07fb496708d129645f3370a28922136a32

http://pastebin.com/CcGUBgDG

Ironically in another thread there were people saying the attacker was planning to sue the ethereum and DAO devs if they try to change the code to stop him claiming the coins he has. The DAO rules say the code is the final decider in a legal dispute, and the code's rules allowed him to attack the DAO, so it could be argued the hack was legal.

That message should be taken with a grain of salt. The verification signature was badly muffed, it's not even verifiable. Absolutely no proof that this message did come from the hacker. Either way, there is definitely a controversy as to whether or not he should be held accountable or even have his earnings rolled back via a fork.

'interview' from the attacker

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/exclusive-full-interview-transcript-alleged-dao-attacker/

Apparently the DAO attacker has now been identified and he is attempting to plea bargain out of criminal proceedings.

More updates to follow.

Judging by this, the maverick Mircea Popescu seems to be taking credit:

http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/

The address has been traced to known dev. I'll update when I can.

COURT ?

You people are fucking retarded beyond comprehension !

What part of Decentralized crypto currency free market don't you idiots fucktards understand ?

So let me get this straight..

YOU WANT NO LAWS.. until you get hacked  

AHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAH AAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHA HAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHH AHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAH HAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHA HHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAH AHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAA HAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHA AHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAH AAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHA HAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHH AHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAH HAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHA


ahhh whaaah boo hoo waaah call the cops someoen stoeld ma cryptoz ahahahhahahahahah

the hacker did not hack.

they ran a program, on a system to run un stopable programs.

Now devs DAO want to change the rules/contact/terms of DAO to steal the eths.

Hackers don't hack, they run software in unexpected way
Thiefs don't steal, they borrow
Rapist don't rape, they just have accidental sex
Killers don't kill, they just pacify other people

 ;D

I think the OP is full of shit - You state the Attacker is Identified  - You do not give any source and you are promoting a Pyramid scheme in your signature.

GTFO

MP is the person who drained the DAO. Did you read my post above where I wrote to verify the Keccak hash?

MP is the antithesis of Craig Wright. He does not bullshit. MP is the one who did this. He is surely capable of it.

Trivial factoid: MP and rpietila were enemies since before 2013. And in 2013, MP sent AnonyMint a private message offering collaboration.

AnonyMint has grown to respect MP as a maverick peer, and in some respects in awe of MP. MP's support of Blockstream could end up causing a conflict between MP and AnonyMint at some point in the near future.  ;D Titans will do battle. Prepare your cupboard supply of popcorn.

I am confused by MP's support of Blockstream, because I thought he was for small blocks and was willing to kill XT to defend the status quo (i.e. Classic):


Note TPTB_need_war was the first person pointing out that Casper wouldn't work in the Ethereum Paradox thread and also on Reddit. Yet MP gives Blockstream credit for TPTB's research.  >:(

Actually good news either way.  The best case is they settle out of court.. The attacker gets a small piece and dao gets most returned.

If it was simply a moron write up of code it can fall under typographical error.

kind of like when a car dealer   runs an advert for a $19.99 car vs a $19,999.99 car.

Dao will claim the wording was a typo and was not intended to wipe out the coin's value due to dilution.

If it goes to court all funds will freeze and many years will pass before settlement.

So this was not an attack
 this was not a hack
this was an error in the dao wording
the dev that did this has been found out

all to do over nothing.
they will do a settlement or fight it in court.

it will not affect eth mining .

a smart fix is give the guy 4 to 6% of the error shake hands and move on.

so lets see what they do.

Looks like the guy is allegedly bribing miners to refuse any sort of fork. If that's the case, they won't be able to get anything from him outside of court. This is bad news for Ethereum. Terrible, even. Regardless of the outcome, Ethereum is going to be hurt in the longrun, and DAO is as good as dead.

Good riddance, along with the whole ethereum cocept it's one of the dumbest ideas every dreamt up by yet another bunch of talentless, greedy opportunists.

So is that interview legitimate? If so that guy gives zero fucks and is a straight internet gangster. Not my type person, but I kinda admire him.

Mircea Popescu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517355.msg15273764#msg15273764) (MP) has a core constitution which is that every person should be responsible for themself. And he originally was adamant that he would attack any Bitcoin fork that raised the block size. He also appears to be against shitcoins and he is a Bitcoin maximalist. He sees himself as a defender of anarchism. He also is motivated by profit. I definitely agree with his constitution!

Mircea Popescu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517355.msg15273764#msg15273764) (MP) has a core constitution which is that every person should be responsible for themself. And he originally was adamant that he would attack any Bitcoin fork that raised the block size. He also appears to be trying to stay relevant.

FTFY.
I like Mircea. As an interesting anomaly. He's bright & eloquent, which is to say his psychopathologies are curiously well-defended. He used to be witty, too, but didn't we all?
Dollars to doughnuts he's trolling/taking credit for others' work.

The "attacker" can sue a shit in my opinion. eth is from switzerland and not from ´murica.
If it was legal, why he dont show his identiy or any proof ?
The whole court story is bullshit, if you belive this, your IQ must be lower than lil wayne's pants.

This is all trolling bullshit.
Eth is not dead, and will recover.
I dont sell it, nope :P


hahaha :D

[...]  he is much better fit to this role of spanking Ethereum with a vulnerability and shorting than I am. I am not set up for that sort of effort.

If Vitalik fights back with blacklisting, then MP will have to elevate this to another level because that is destroying the fungibility of crypto-currency, which is something MP is adamantly against. And MP has very significant resources at his disposal. I estimate in the 100,000s of BTC, but I wrote 50,000 to be conservative in my guess.

In other words, I have no idea what sort of people Vitalik hangs with, so talking shit on the interweb prob'ly ain't the smartest thing ever.

so if they agree and hat they shake hands, they will move on then. lol
those who dumped their DAOs are going to really regret for life. They should really buy back now.

Well done.

Ergo a Russian mob.

This could be his downfall if Ethereum sides with "law" and lure him into violating some US law. The SEC is probably still waiting to entrap him.

But I don't like where Vitalik is headed with this blacklisting shit!   :(

As many of us opined before the failure, The DAO was going to lead to more regulation of CC.

Flawless victory..Mircea wins  :D

The legalness of the "attack" got murky when the "attacker" put in the order for the eth short. Curious to see if using that information, or dissemination of it to others, constitutes insider trading.

Reasonable point, but I say we have sufficient evidence that the State is out to get us. 6000 years of it.

We are here to dismantle the multi-nationals and create a decentralized individually empowered world. That is our goal!

We want to explore the limits of what the computer and Internet revolution can disrupt.

Revelation # 1:1-7 KJV
While "dismantling" is very Nietzschean, edgy, and D-rock,
   1a. make double-sure that we have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down. Because that played out badly in the past.
   1b. make double-sure that you know how to build, not just disrupt.
   1c. make double-sure that what comes next is not substantially worse than the shit you disrupted. I, for one, do not welcome our new Romanian overloads.

Revelation # 2:1-3, KJV
Surprise! Funny looking Russo-Canadian kid is not the state.
None of the altcoins are. Most of them share your ideals, regardless of how misguided, self-contradictory, and downright childish those may be. Make friends with the alts. Make love, not war!
Eww eww ewwww!!!11!1!1!1!

Matter as a continuum

A function of time is equivalently a function of frequency.

Presented perhaps for the first time is a novel insight to understanding the Holographic principle that since a function can't be both time-limited and band-limited, the configuration of space over any finite interval (i.e. locality) of time is not independent of the infinite past and future. Matter must be an infinite continuum of configurations oscillating as waves. The frequency domain has two dimensions, phase (not shown above) and amplitude; thus only two functions of frequency are necessary to represent the 4D spacetime— 2D × 2 = 4D. This can be visualized in 3D as the consistent time which corresponds to the phases in the frequency domain of two functions, with the two independent amplitudes providing the altitude and azimuth degrees-of-freedom for the direction of movement of the configuration.

Holography inspires this amplitude and phase interpretation because it records three dimensions of information of the speckle pattern, stored in the opacity of a 2D surface, due to interference (on recording and defraction on viewing) of a coherent phase and monochromatic reference beam with the decoherent environmental light field.

The non-uniform distribution of mass is mutually causal with oscillation. A uniform distribution of mass would be no contrast and nothing could exist, especially knowledge creation.

Matter's canonical definition is circular because it doesn't state what it is. The answer to “what is the universe made of?” has been “whatever it is, it must have the attributes of the mass and volume things we make from it”. This definition is disunified because it excludes light and wave effects that don't have volume. But if spacetime emerges from two dimensions of the frequency domain continuum, then volume and mass are also just effects which emerge from the same fundamental matter as light. Since the long sought Holy Grail of science has been to unify quantum mechanics and relativity, it would be logical to define matter to be the thing that everything else in the universe is derived from. Future work is to analyze the relationship of this postulate to existing interpretations of quantum mechanics.

http://oi63.tinypic.com/wlek34.jpg  <--- Look at this hidden fractal order!

Everything within the universe is FRACTAL and predicated upon a system of self-referral. Your children are biologically constructed from the merger of you and your spouse’s DNA, and thus, they are a product of self-referral where they have traits and appearances based upon their parents and their future medical prospects are based upon what they inherited.

The second question is How does Time move? Does it flow like light and sound in waves?  Or does it move in a straight line? Can we experience time flow? Or can we only measure the flow of TIME? These were questions we have tackled in our models.

This fractal structure of time and history appeared to build in groups of six and thus 8.6 x 6 = 51.6 years, six of these waves formed a wave structure of 309.6 years. While it was clear that six of these waves established primary chunks of time defined as 1857.6 years, such a time scale appeared vast in terms of human social-economic history, but it was still just a pimple on a fly’s ass as they say in terms of earth’s history and the course of nature. Six waves at this level produced 11,145.6 years that seems to have defined civilization itself as the earliest known mud bricks are invented to build houses in Mesopotamia about 8500BC and pottery seems to appear 10,000-9000BC.

This fascinating dimension was summarised by Edward Lorenz as follows:


This extraordinary complexity of that created the surface impression of chaos, hides amazing order hidden below. This Chaotic Behavior can be observed in many natural systems, from such things as weather to economics. Our problem has been mankind’s attempt to reduce everything he sees to simple minded one-dimensional cause and effect. This type of explanation of such behavior has restrained our ability to move forward in many fields, the least of which is not social-science that includes economics.

Deterministic Chaos may be the key to everything for within both nature and our social world, we are surrounded with complexity yet we try to rationalize everything to a single dimension unable to cope with the dynamics of the world in which we live.

These threads about the dao and eth problems are the most interesting by far on the forums the last few days.
But who is the attacker? Im still waiting to find this out myself.

MP appears, posits "All ur coin are belong to us!" http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/

It was me. I'm also preparing a lengthy blog post explaining my motivation.

Hold please...

well if he has been caught who drained the DAO twice today? once for 22 ether second still in progress or was 30 mins ago

Yip another idiot with a bought account lmao

Wait, you mean the DAO is under another attack? Seriously? How and how come they didn't plug the leak as soon as the first one happened?

You even seen battle, son?

Wait, you mean the DAO is under another attack? Seriously? How and how come they didn't plug the leak as soon as the first one happened?

go away and read the HIGHWAY code lol

I will give you a bit of advice If you were the attacker what would be your next move?

Well my advice would be quickly drain the Ethereum into a second child DAO it will force them to hard fork if you keep at it.A hard fork would retrieve the coins but kill the business.

I will give you a bit of advice If you were the attacker what would be your next move?

And just before that, double-down on your shorts.

Yes suppose you could do that but few people hack for money or fame

"I am 99.999% certain this is bug free."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahj4WJtp20&feature=youtu.be&t=42m52s

The Naive hubris is very dangerous within Vitalik.

Because it's about sending a message?

Wait, you mean the DAO is under another attack? Seriously? How and how come they didn't plug the leak as soon as the first one happened?

The Naive hubris is very dangerous within Vitalik.

Not sure; but, as a contract voting for changes has to take place first. Voting takes two weeks. The DAO could be empty by then.

Wait, you mean the DAO is under another attack? Seriously? How and how come they didn't plug the leak as soon as the first one happened?

One the attack vector is in the wild, it's only a matter of time. Why they didn't pull the plug on the whole thing is the question.

correct it takes two weeks but 2 months to implement

And people are still buying. The pro ETH/DAO marketing team are doing an amazing job.

The vulnerability was open sourced before (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1505886.msg15273470#msg15273470) he did it thus apparently no insider information was used! Even the developers of DAO had a patch but didn't push through with it.

It is so unbelieveable, but I can't make this stuff up.

that is because people think the hard fork will happen and people will get back their investments from the thief.

What we're seeing here is bad sportsmanship. A ruthless minority of people seem to have forgotten good old-fashioned virtues. They just can't stand seeing the other fellow win.
:-\

COURT ?

You people are fucking retarded beyond comprehension !

What part of Decentralized crypto currency free market don't you idiots fucktards understand ?

So let me get this straight..

YOU WANT NO LAWS.. until you get hacked  

AHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAH AAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHA HAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHH AHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAH HAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHA HHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAH AHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAA HAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHA AHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAH AAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHA HAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHH AHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAH HAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHA


ahhh whaaah boo hoo waaah call the cops someoen stoeld ma cryptoz ahahahhahahahahah

What we're seeing here is bad sportsmanship. A ruthless minority of people seem to have forgotten good old-fashioned virtues. They just can't stand seeing the other fellow win.
:-\

It was me. I'm also preparing a lengthy blog post explaining my motivation.

Hold please...

You even seen battle, son?

"I am 99.999% certain this is bug free."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahj4WJtp20&feature=youtu.be&t=42m52s

The Naive hubris is very dangerous within Vitalik.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClUx7C5VEAEwcFJ.jpg:large

https://s32.postimg.org/wa7qdgoyd/Mircea_Popescu.jpg

                                        VS

https://s31.postimg.org/a2tw11rpn/Vitalik_Buterin.jpg

                                     Fight!!!!

Wow, you couldn't make this sh*t up. The crypto-currency concept needs a complete rework around security and unintended consequences. The absolutist approach implodes again, and again, and again.

Many of us couldn't help but always have this sense that ETH would blow up like this, but we set those fears aside, until it hits the fan.

Apparently the DAO attacker has now been identified and he is attempting to plea bargain out of criminal proceedings.

More updates to follow.

Wow nice sources and proof there OP!

Is there any news about the arrest of the DAO attacker? It seems nobody report the police and catch the thief.

"I am 99.999% certain this is bug free."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahj4WJtp20&feature=youtu.be&t=42m52s

The Naive hubris is very dangerous within Vitalik.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClUx7C5VEAEwcFJ.jpg:large

As time passes by, it becomes ever more obvious that the DAO cannot be salvaged
Congratulations to Mircea Popescu    

Can the DAO attacker's lawyer team stop the hard fork/soft fork from happening? If the majority of the community decide to pursue a hard fork, who would the lawyer to after?

Why should he? Much better to allow the HF to continue and thus for ETH to decline to 0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1543445.msg15515638#msg15515638), while he is shorting it all the way down.

Why should he? Much better to allow the HF to continue and thus for ETH to decline to 0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1543445.msg15515638#msg15515638), while he is shorting it all the way down.

Is the hacker really Mircea Popescu? Is this already verified? Was it also him who wrote the letter that a hard fork will mean Ethereum Foundation is stealing his "transferred" ethers?

agree,
while everyone is looking to DAO's funds he could be shorting ETH and spreeding the news. just by doing that he could be rich right now.

and later his lawyers would bring more money by suing vitalik.

If his lawyers will use Vitalik, does it mean we will know who the hacker is ? Is hacking legal in any country?