Bitcoin Forum

If we consider Paypal evil (I do), should we consider Bitcoin less evil?

Paypal allows chargeback fraud and is a feast for scammers
Then again
Bitcoin doesnt allow chargebacks and is a feast for scammers because of that


I think Bitcoin, however, cant be regarded as evil cuz its decentralized or semi-decentralized(china)


what do u think fellow people of Bitcointalk?


~CfA~

Paypal is a pure evil imo, for bitcoin you have to take few measures in order to prevent a potential scam like using escrows or buying from a trusted buyers...

I can't really add much to what you have already said - BitCoin is transparent, you can see via the Block Chain where all coins have gone and the transaction is both "instant" (in so far as it appears on the Block Chain and the other party is advised it has been sent, subject to confirmations) and BitCoin transactions are irreversible.

Yeah IMO u hit the nail right on the head.  With Bitcoin u gotta learn to be careful, just like in life.

With Paypal u r just lost, it's purely evil and arbitrary.  If they wanna freeze account they just do it.  Nothing u can do

With Bitcoin I am my own Bank.

~CfA~

They're both evil (muahahaha) but Paypal's more evil. I agree with you there.

I dont like the charge backs with paypal but we could do with an escrow for bitcoin that doesnt involve a third party although im not sure how that would work. Paypal charges way too much in my opinion as well. they could easily drop the fee lower and still be making a massive profit. Bitcoin on the other hand costs next to nothing but no one really likes using, i think the learning curve for bitcoin is harder than for paypal if your not computer literate.

You can't consider Bitcoin in this case to be evil. With Paypal you have people deciding whether your funds will be recovered, frozen or whatever. With Bitcoin there is nobody that has the authority to make these decisions. You are the own safe keeper of your money. If you make mistakes, you will have to deal with them.

Exactly and nobody can make any decisions about your money (as long as you don't use third party wallets).

"No one really likes using"? This is a false generalization.

Yeah i should edit that. That came out in text different to how i was imagining it in my head. What i was meaning was "mainstream" people who are used to ebay and paypal dont really like to change their habits of using things they trust. last time i asked if ebay would accept bitcoin there was people replying saying that bitcoin was "scammy" and they wouldnt use it. Maybe im just speaking for general ebay users but i struggle to get anyone to pay me bitcoin, even those that know a good bit about it. Id be interested to know what kind of revenue passes through open bazaar to give us an idea of how many people are actually using bitcoin to buy goods.

i will said yes,since i know paypal as good payment on internet,i also notice that so many people have trouble with it,hacking,phising,and so many cyber crime has relatd with paypal. and now when i know about bitcoin,inever hear some case like paypal before.

i doubt that bitcoin is evil, no one is controlling it and you are master of your own money, how is it evil?

No PayPal neither Bitcoin is evil. Just some people are. They use opportunity to steal some money or bitcoins.
This will be the same in the future when some new instruments for payment will be here.

Bitcoin is not evil. Paypal is not evil. People are evil. The people who claim to facilitate Bitcoin's use on your behalf very often are. Paypal's staff are often evil and many of its users are too. Evil is everywhere. Embrace it.

I agree. Why are you calling Bitcoin and PayPal evil? This are two different categories, Bitcoin is a currency and PayPay is money service. And both have good and bad sides like everything in this world but you can't mark them as evil. People who missuse this two things are evil

Paypal are in control of what actually happens to your account with charge-backs who gets money and the fee so they could be considered "evil".

Bitcoin is all down to the person, unfortunately there are some people who scam using Bitcoin who could be considered "evil" all the same.

bitcoin is the freedom people have been waiting for. whether it is paypal or a bank, as long as they have full control over my money, i consider them to be somewhat of a dictator. bitcoin gives the control over our wealth back to us.

It gives some people freedom, but for other people they don't care about the freedom to control and move their wealth where-ever they want, and they're fine to have some other people keep their money safe and just manage their money through whatever medium is supplied to them.

I wouldn't say all of the services are dictator-esque, some of them offer legitimate services that are beneficial, but I can see what point you're trying to get across.

Paypal slow respone from their support and bitcoin is slow confirmation from the miners but my opinion more comfort use bitcoin than paypal because bitcoin is not needs verification is like paypal who waste my time.

To me, they are equal. It is up to the person who uses them to decide. Paypal favours the buyers and bitcoin favours the sellers. Still, many scammer seller can still make use of the Paypal loopholes.

Bitcoin is not evil, people who scam for it, are.
PayPal is evil, because they freeze your accounts for no reasons, it is a controllable thing, while bitcoins aren't.

As far as what I  understood, paypal will enalbe bitcoin transactions which in theory, they are to make a wallet, right?
I'm a little concerned with this because paypal has a reputation of freezing an account for no reason at all. What if there are quite a lot of bitcoins in that account, that would be a huge profit for paypal, isn't it?

Bitcoin and paypal are both not evil, it is those who take advantage of them that are making evil deeds. Bitcoin or any other currency, can be used for any illegal activity and it is just an instrument, because it is neutral. The person who decides how to use it should be the one subject to scrutiny and not the instrument used for such wrongdoings.

Yea i agree with you. There nothing such an evil to this two sites. The real evil is the human being who takes advantage to both on this site. They use the site to scam other people for their own interest.

PayPal and all these other centralized services are all about control. They have enormous power over people and the way they trade

online. They can determine what you can trade, when and where you can trade and how much you can trade. In Bitcoin you have nobody

making those decisions for you. You have a bigger risk with Bitcoin, because once that tx is confirmed, the funds will not be recovered.  ;)

paypal is no comparison with bitcoin but i agree that before bitcoin came 95% of people uses paypal for their most of the transaction and that makes it a big company in the world i had too herd of paypal at my childhool and bitcoin is way much stronger, faster, anonymous and very very sager than paypal or any bank of any country

Since i am still not experience any problem i think paypal its not a scam sometimes they are just halving a problem so always try to contact their support via call or wait for their call.. im sure that they can help you about your problem..

I do not see the evilness behind Bitcoin or Paypal they are both in the things that they are meant for so I have nothing to complain about them.
I do not make use of Paypal but I can see why many people do make use of it.

i like about bitcoin, that it doesn't matter to whom i send bitcoin and that there are no charge backs.
paypal is also expensive and they try to be the revolution that bitcoin is. go bitcoin  ;D

I wouldn't use the word evil to describe pay pal but I prefer Bitcoin and there are three simple reasons why
1) You have 100% control and no one can freeze your funds(unless you are using an online wallet with strict rules like coinbase)
2) No insane fees
3) You don't have to deal with chargebacks

Technology (Bitcoin) can't be evil, only people (PayPal). That's all.

In my opinion, the perception of PayPal is not originating from their mere provision to allow chargebacks. It's originating to some degree from the common practice to ignore the legitimate interests of sellers and refusing to justly take into consideration the real circumstances of a case. But it's mainly originating from their practice to freeze accounts for arbitrary reasons and to expose their users to full governmental surveillance.

Bitcoin is simply working like cash. It's up to the users to decide who is trustworthy and who is not. Bitcoin does away with nannyland and encourages people to take responsibility for their own decisions. That's a great thing.

ya.ya.yo!

Can't say about the evil or non evil but one good feature of bitcoin is that, it is not monitored by any central authority. But all paypal transactions are monitored by the respective country's governing body and hence whatever you are earning through paypal, you have to declare it in the tax form.

On the other hand, if you can find a local trader for exchanging your bitcoin to local fiat currency, then no one is going to question you on that earning.  You enjoy the complete freedom.

I don't consider Paypal to be evil, it's just a company and they will only do things that are in their best interest.
About accounts getting locked etc. I'm pretty sure that really only happens when they have a legitimate reason and if done in error, they will also unlock it.

That being said, I still think Bitcoin is better and I do hope that Bitcoin will overtake Paypal in terms of popularity.

Paypal rips off people constantly with the ridiculous fees for no reason. To the contrary, Bitcoin is a decentralized network and the fees are going directly for the people that sustain it, there are no secrets in terms of where the fees are going to.

I wouldn`t say that paypal is evil.Paypal is actually very buyer-friendly because of the chargebacks. ;D

Paypal is evil only for the online sellers, who use it as a payment gateway.

Bitcoin definitely isn`t evil.It`s created for good. :)

They aren't comparable and neither is evil. Paypal is a company going about making profit,  like many established companies they make a lot of stupid mistakes. Also like a lot of companies they play it aafe and don't look to the long term.  Paypal,  western union etc will lose more business as time goes on,  but the current shot makers there will still get their huge salaries and bonuses and will be gone way before these businesses no longer turn a profit.

i don't think we can even use "evil" for either of them.
because bitcoin and paypal are two totally different things with nothing in common. and paypal may be considered bad but it is not evil it is just a different system with different sets of rules .
and charge back although it is the source of many frauds but also it is good sometimes when the sender is the victim of fraud.

PayPal is service, there is nothing evil about it. Some people use it for evil purposes, but hey what is not used by evil people?
On other side bitcoin is currency, or asset, depends how someone think about bitcoin, and for me this new currency can be much better then fiat. I see potential, but time will tell how much will bitcoin succeed in conquering the world.
Money is evil generally, but I believe bitcoin is less evil then fiat, and all services that support fiat.

I don't think so. It takes evil to recognize evil. To think that Bitcoin is somehow different from the rest of the system is a blatant case of religious superiority complex. You denigrate everyone else as drones while feeling smug about your own righteous ways. The current system is far from ideal but Bitcoin isn't perfect either. Bitcoin certainly is an improvement in many ways but it shouldn't be billed as the ultimate answer to everything wrong with the system.

Well BTC is not owned by any 1 entity and there for it has no motives other than by those who use it. on that principal alone its less "evil" than paypal, which is designed to make profit for individuals

I don't know about "Evil"  but I know bitcoin is more vendor friendly that PayPal as well as more direct, Don't send a payment if you are uncertain about it, Although the no-reversal rule can help scammers but people should use their judgment when sending BTC in the first place.

Paypal is evil for --Service charges.I'm not from the US,for any exchange through paypal,my payments are ripped off as service charges.A huge disappointment.I support bitcoin over the paypal crap anyday.It's sad to see 20% of my earnings are ripped off through various paypal stages until it reaches my bank account.

Paypal is a true evil. So it's Ebay. Both of these websites can limit your account if they feel like it without giving you real reason behind this investigation, or they can come up with some funny story.

In this sense trust me bitcoin is an angel compared to Paypal and alike services. You only have to be careful and you need to know very well with whom you are dealing with. Always use escrow when using bitcoin.

Bitcoin is much much better than Paypal in the end.

Bitcoin is a currency. Paypal is a business firm same with EBay. Why compare this two?

They are facing legal terms that's why they need at least a personal details of their users. Remember that clients security is the main purpose of those reputable online business firm.

And besides, if Paypal and Ebay are true evil, why still many people attached to this websites up to today?

Those people who are saying Paypal is evil really has a bad experience on the site. But Paypal does make actions if a user found wrong.

Didn't people know that chargeback sometimes helpful. Also if people don't like the idea of chargeback then please stop exchanging Paypal funds to bitcoin directly on any person.

I want to say it again that Ebay and Paypal are true evil and although I use both websites only for occasional buying (pc parts mainly) I know a lot of people who have problems.

If you want to sell something in Ebay (digital goods) than there is arbitrary decisions going on. Some sellers get banned for this, some are freely going on and both sellers are selling the same product.

If you start to make money in Paypal with different online ventures you risk to get your account freeze.

In Ebay once they limit your account you cannot sell anymore anything there. I agree though for buying ebay and paypal are good but only for buying not for selling or for making money.

In bitcoin such things don't happens. You are in charge as you are your own bank. Of course a lot more websites are needed where we can pay with bitcoin.

Paypal : Chargebacks - this actually helps a lot for consumer protection and fraud.
Bitcoin : No Chargebacks - all transactions are final. no ifs, no buts. You're responsible for your money.

* Both are just tools, it's up to how people use it. Besides, PayPal is just a service so whether support/fees/rules/terms are good or bad it's up to you if you want to use it.
* So, I think both have their own points.

i think bitcoin is not an evil but it is a blessing, and we should respect that blessing, it really give me a good profit and also control my expenses, i consider it as my side business and also give good time to it.

I understand your point of view about paypal and yeah we can say that paypal is harder to use and to maintain the account on a good and stable because they block or limit the account for different reasons which sometimes are very unnecessary, but with bitcoin it can happen too if we use third party apps.

I think when bitcoin have a more features like chargeback, it will make bitcoin more safety. Paypal have that features and get many positive feedback.

Yes i consider paypal is more devil than bitcoin imao paypal is number payment method in online shop where dont need to use escrow and you can refund your payment once it send its not like bitcoin it is more safer than payal and bitcoin has more big future than paypal

Bitcoin is not "evil" and it isn't "good"/"virtuous" or whatever the opposite of evil is.

I personally hate paypal, myself and would never use it again ever since they locked my account for using it in the past for receiving payment for fantasy football winnings back when that kind of thing wasn't allowed. I had to go through a bunch of hoops in order to get my account unlocked and my money out.

With paypal, you have to agree to their terms of use and are subject to whatever is in those terms of use.

With bitcoin, their is no terms of use which you are beholden to. You are free to use it how you want.

That's one of the ways I see bitcoin vs paypal.

I think it is because there is no real mind after it and it has a good market is getting bigger plus the fee's are also less more than PayPal.
I think the bitcoin is due to that way better than PayPal.

Bitcoin is not at all evil if compared with PayPal, and it can never be as it's a technology, not controlled by anyone. I remember the days PayPal used to be a big headache for me, and for most of the online sellers, specially if you are from any worse country. Limitations, reversals, disputes, everything filled in with a big quantity.

I still use PayPal, but the usage of it has been declined. Since I keep two options for the customers to pay me with, bitcoin and PayPal, the ratio has now become somewhat like 50% 50%.

I don't know, some people use this chargeback to scam others peoples. Don't know if it's good or not this system.

You have to trust the seller, that's the basic.

I have never been a victim of PayPal's evil nature, but I still think they suck.  Ebay too.  But you know, I still use them.  Ebay is the place to get anything, and PayPal is convenient (except for the fees if you're a seller).  It's a good thing that those two companies split apart, because it was even worse when Ebay owned PayPal. 

Just think on this forum and any other place no one do trade/exchange of bitcoin with paypal because of their charge-back feature. It shows that people do not like that feature and there is a harm with that feature so not it better that we do not get that feature in bitcoin. Those people who want to deal in bitcoin should have to use escrow so that no one can scam them.

This is not what bitcoin users would like to see to bitcoin, especially for this reason I consider better bitcoin than paypal, in some cases it is good for the sellers but it's not good at all for the buyers.

Bitcoin is a clean, pure currency. The people decide the value, it is decentralized, and all spending is transparent. What makes anything good or evil is what it does or what is done with it. The Bitcoin technology can not be held accountable for what it is used for but, Bitcoin sure does make it a lot easier to see how it was used correctly or incorrectly.

I don't know much about paypal, I never used this service in my life. And that is all what paypal is service for dollars, as I know they don't support other currencies. They are not evil, just a company for making profit, and in return they provide some reliefs. Don't know why would anyone think that paypal can be evil, people that running that company can be evil, some of customers can be evil.
Also for bitcoin to be less evil then paypal, I need to admit that I don't understand this analogy. This things are here to make some things easier and better.

Chargeback features on a payment medium that can be used to exchange fiat money for another fairly liquid currency is a terrible idea, and I don't know why anyone would think that's a good idea. You might as well be giving someone money and asking them if they want to take it back or not half the time.

if you think paypal is evil then bitcoin is more evil, because there are more evil attempts like scam, fraud, ponzi in bitcoin and there are no way you can get your money once you already being scammed, in paypal maybe there is still a way to stop scammer, but in bitcoin its a wild world

I guess op is just referring to the charging fees of paypal and he is not pointing to the whole usage of bitcoin. Also in paypal or usage of dollars scams are also existing. It is just going to depend to the person on how he is going to work with his own money and how he is going to use that whether its bad or good.

Are you on a PayPal forum and there aren't any scam attempts?  How do you know this?  What are they trading PayPal with?

But it's not related to bitcoin indirectly, different with PayPal can freezing or ;limiting their customer account for what they want, although their users are not making any suspicious act in their account. you're correct if say bitcoin is eviler than PayPal but that is not the bitcoin act indirectly.

it makes no sense whatsoever. everyone must think that bitcoin is something that makes our lives easier. and every thing that is not possible nasty !!! bitcoin and paypal simplify.

Bitcoin as paypal has atracked all kinds of people, each one has their risks, but charge you 20 dollars or more for something you are selling its insane, they may proof just because they handle the transaction, if you make the same sell with bitcoin you will pay maybe 2 dollars, soo now suppose you sell 1000 units monthly, its too many money paypal takes. I dont like chargebacks, if you are a honest person, seller or buyer you wont need paypal to make the right thing.

It is the way it is used not the way the company goes. There are some errors with Paypal when some funds are lost or regarding transaction where fees are somehow larger but it does not mean it is evil. There is a support that can be contact to clear this all.

Paypal is subjective - meaning the interpretation of Paypal's rules is undefined and is open to an individuals (someone at Paypal) interpretation of perceived facts. It is therefore open to abuse and can't be fully predicted.

Bitcoin is objective, there is no interpretation and its functionality exists without any subjectivity.

I would think Evilness will come from bad decision and interpretation, something that is impossible with Bitcoin.

Paypal has had a history of freezing peoples accounts, having excessive control over their terms and conditions cause they were regulated by Government bodies and Reserve Banks. They also often charged hefty fees for even the most minor transactions that cause most of us to not being able to withdraw to our banks cause of not having the minimum withdrawal amount. At a later stage, Paypal wasn't even allowing people in my country to purchase from paypal merchants out of my country. It's very restricted unlike Bitcoins.

Well there are concerns to be handed that's why in other countries Paypal restricted some services. Since Paypal company they have to involved in talks in terms of any financial thing of the said country.

Yes they are really strict in some regulations but no doubt that it was helpful in other matters.

Why you guys compare bitcoin with PayPal. Paypal is just a money transfering system where as bitcoin is a cryptocurrency. Well you can compare  Paypal with bitcoin wallet because both servers the same purpose. So both of them have their own advantage and  disadvantages sop both are needed in my view.

Bitcoin can not freeze you money and business for 6 months like paypal does everyday.If paypal wants to freeze the money of your business for 6 months for no reason so they can earn free interest on your money for half a year I would say that is evil.Imagine you buy and sell merchandise and your money to work with is seized by paypal becasue you login from another location and now your familys income is damaged for a half a year -
that is evil and not to be tolerated and can not happen with btc

Yes. Next question?

YEha, it should think about. because in doing so we do not have a risk in anything thing that only our own detriment. BTC is a place that is profitable, but if we do something wrong then it's not an advantage that we get but a loss because of wrong doing. better save bitcoin and don't ever think that bitcoin can be used in all sites or places, as many are now popping up sites that only do a scam.

no i am not agree with you. bitcoin is not evil. it is a decent currency just like other fiat currencies and that is depending on the people who are using it and the purpose they use it for. i think the evil can be the people who are using it for wrong deed otherwise bitcoin do not have such an intention by itself.

I didn't ever see the point in comparing both. Paypal is a centralized payment network, bitcoin is a decentralized currency. Very different services. In fact bitcoin is not a "service", its a tool, paypal is just a fiat derivative.

I don't think that chargeback is necessarily a disadvantage in PayPal, even I could seem this feature can be very convenient in most cases, and for most ordinary users. And I am not so convinced that irreversibility of the bitcoin transactions is always a great advantage, because this leave room to mistakes without the possibility of recovering our lost money.

First I do not consider PayPal a evil.It may have few cases of chargeback or other problems but considering the amount of transaction it handles they are negligible plus I never faced (by God grace) any problem with PayPal.
Second as you also admitted, bitcoin also has 'irreversible' boon for scammers.
Unfortunately I have been scammed with bitcoin but not PayPal.

Paypal having a chargeback is an advantage and a disadvantage to paypal. And bitcoin being irreversible is an advantage and a disadvantage to it. From which, lets the scammer feeds on the disadvantage of both sides. It just depends on us to determine if the person we transact is a scammer or not.

In my opinion paypal and bitcoin are okay to use, it has advantage and disadvantage to users. We could not quote this as evil, because paypal disadvantage only has a high chargeback for those users. As bitcoin also it has a disadvantage to users, no need to elaborate the disadvantage. Bitcoin users can understand this.

I cant say that paypal is too evil since its being used by how many years when bitcoin isnt been created yet and one thing that makes it evil is about it high fees on each transaction which is really damn high and when bitcoin being created its really a good alternative.

This too and I fully agree.Both are two different payment tool that has its advantages and disadvantages. What I like in bitcoin is its anonymity,flexibility and ease to use and it is secure.Yes you are also correct in pointing the charge back feature.But I think bitcoin is quite good comapred to paypal in so many features it can offer.

Everyone agrees that it is been for long term but PayPal involves in many site scams and email scams. This is the trust they have created. Just google as PayPal scams. You ll get the results on it. Bitcoin as source better than PayPal. Hackers only attacking the account and scratching out the fund. Still btc is safer than PayPal.

Bitcoin is less evil than Paypal simply because it doesn't chargeback
On the other hand if you send by accident to a dead address your pretty much stuck unless you pull it and double spend and it gets stuck in the mempool long enough to reverse if your running a node ^^.
That said your funds won't be frozen suddenly if your wikileaks or something so inherently less evil.

No. Just no. Bitcoin and PayPal both are similar yet different concept of sending money. Both with specific set of rules and features.
Calling either bitcoin or PayPal evil is ridiculous simplification. Both systems are fine as they are. It's the people who will scam you, not the system.
You can hear voices that both immutable nature of bitcoin transaction or charge back functionality of PayPal can be used as double edge sword.

Bitcoin and PayPal are service providers who try to make customers more than getting negative testimonials. Scammers just use the loop hole to use it for fraudulent activities. PayPal's charge back feature has helped lots to get their money back, at the same there are people who got scammed by the same feature. So it's not to describe these services an evil.

They aren't evil it's just for the sake of the thread title that I used the evil title, its how you use it that can make it evil.
That said there are always trade off's especially if you use intermediaries example people who use coinbase to transact versus those who control their own Bitcoins or rely on others through services such as paypal in the end whoever controls their own money is the king.

Bitcoin is transparent in blockchain in terms of wallet addresses we used when we do transaction form our storage wallet. That's why bitcoin is pseudonyms which means transparent  but still fake in the identity that's why bitcoin was decentralized where any company can't do anything about it.

Bitcoin is not service provider like paypal, they are two completely different things.

Not only chargebacks, paypal also froze users account without any warning and reason. They dont give full control to your money while you will have full control over your bitcoin and also there is no need of any third party to use bitcoin.

Yea I Agree to you. Some people just use the Paypal feature to scam other people. The problem here is some people use this anti-scam feature of paypal to scam other people. But In bitcoin you can't charge back so you should to be sure that you are sure when you send your bitcoin.

That is why it's better to use bitcoins than paypal services to make online transactions. For me only one point is sufficient to prefer bitcoins: you can use it anonymously, different from paypal which want to know your informations.
Bitcoins fees are smaller also for some countries like mine. Since I started using bitcoins I didn't use paypal anymore.

I prefer bitcoin too. Because in bitcoin the transaction is hassle free and more convenient for me. But in paypal it is more secure because you can dispute if your transaction is fail. So In overall I go for bitcoin because if yout paypal account have an issue it is hard to recover because the process is so long. So I will go for bitcoin.

DOnt think they are involving their service to be scam.I could say that only the users who are making advantages on its features like cashbacks which causes for anyone to scam someone on the net thats why its reputation have been affected and i do agree bitcoin is safer than paypal.

I would go for bitcoin as you have the freedom to use bitcoin. When it comes to paypal, they can block your accounts and do whatever they deem fit. This cannot happen when it comes to bitcoin. Paypal is centralized and bitcoin is decentralized. I would love to support anything that is decentralized. So my vote goes to bitcoin.

Paypal would have been a lot worse if bitcoin were not around. Competitor is making companies be more honest towards their customers.

So even if bitcoin is not less evil than Paypal, the bitcoin is making Paypal less evil to make bitcoin look more evil in comparision by trying to be better.

I think the market is not so wide that it could get along Paypal and Payza and bitcoin. I think that bitcoin can displace competitors from the market.

LOL. Are you really sure that Paypal is getting involved into some scam activities or just pretending that Paypal "have done" it even without any proof?. If you're thinking that mass hackings which were done by the hackers by making some sort of phishing site to store random people's data is also Paypal's fault, then, something is wrong with you.
Be realistic, Paypal is indeed having weak security and some critical features that unfortunately add up an unnecessary inconveniencing problem to their users, but still, sometimes their clients are the factor that triggers some criminal activities against them by randomly typing their data everywhere.

Paypal is irritating, though this is Bitcoins forums if you are aware of ptc sites, then you would know of Clicksense the no one site and thier paypal ac was closed, and many times the hyip sites get away no for me paypal is no good. Bitcoins is nice it gives you a clear warning and tricks to deal around. Plus you keep 100 $ in paypal it would yet be 100$ or worst even zero. In my case when paypal was hacked they cleaned my entire ac. Paypal did not even help me. And just look at the number of complaints paypal has. There's just to many problems and Bitcoin is far way better so it's just the best for me, price increases, security wise etc.

as we know, Bitcoin really safer. Bitcoins can be exploited by fraudsters, but that is unlikely to happen, you can use reputable sites or signed the foundation, which can fully ensure the safety of you. PayPal is the opposite. PayPal's fraud did not come from the buyer that it came from the seller, it is uncontrollable, as we all know, paypal has refunded features sent, this has cause fraud, which is a major flaw, it needed to be overcome, however, so far, no measure for it. therefore, more dangerous paypal

bitcoin is not at all evil. it doesn't have any brain and so i could say that bitcoin is not a eveil not a good one but its the way how we use the currency. if we use bitcoin for good cause then its fine otherwise if we use bitcoin for bad then that's our problem not bitcoin's.

It is like saying that money is evil because it is used in illegal transactions or food is evil because the greedy businessman sells them. Neither paypal or bitcoin is evil, it is the user who has the obligation and has the responsibility or the right as to how he uses paypal and bitcoin. There are no evil sites and currency but only people with evil intentions.

With proper precautions and common sense you'll never get scammed with Bitcoin that's why I consider it a lesser of two evils when compared to PayPal because Bitcoin had its own limitations but PayPal on the other hand is the devils tool and its flooded by scammers.

Paypal has customer protection plans if scams do occur. But they are jury, judge and executionier at any rate.
The blockchain has not voice if you get scammed.

I think the only thing that makes bitcoin looks evil is because of its anonymity which the criminals and other bad kind of person take advantage of. But i think it doesn't if a currency or things like bitcoin or paypal had its dark side because other currency also had that kind of characteristic so it is not a big deal in choosing which is better.

Like bitcoin trading is equally risky. And when it comes to PayPal , most of the people Trust PayPal.
Most of the people don't know about bitcoin that is the problem.
If bitcoin becomes famous people might trade with bitcoins but for now PayPal is more trusted .
And I am pretty sure that one day bitcoin will overtake PayPal

Bitcoin just like PayPal has its strength and weaknesses but comparatively Bitcoin's strength outweighs its weakness unlike PayPal which is gradually gaining a notorious tag of being a scammers haven. I have no doubt that PayPal is popular and well known but Bitcoin is superior even though it's not well known.

You are out of the comparison. Bitcoin's thing is different from Paypal thing as Bitcoin was being handed by bitcoin exchange and Paypal was the one handling the fiat. Paypal must be compare to the online exchange like Coinbase and not with the bitcoin itself.

Now try to compare Paypal to other bitcoin exchanges and you will see that they have are no different at all in most of the instances.

We can't say which is more evil or which is less.
But as of now Even though bitcoins are gaining popularity,
PayPal is Bieng used by more people.
But definitely bitcoins I think are better than PayPal because-
1) They are decentralised.
2) They are easy to access .
     To make just one PayPal account you have to go through long forms etc.
     But accessing Bitcoin it much easier,  I helps us to save our privacy.
3)  Bitcoins are easy to access,
      I don't know about North Korea.
      But bitcoins can be accessed in most parts of the world .(As compared to PayPal)

I would say the biggest positive about Bitcoin is that there is no subjectivity or human interpretation involved. You may still get scammed, but it is more likely to be due to your mistakes rather than anything else.

Less? That's an understatement! I wouldn't consider bitcoin evil at all. It is much better than PayPal for the main reason being that there are no chargebacks or limits

Bitcoin is a currency and paypal is a service.  Using bitcoin is easier and hassle free as compare to paypal. Those who know about bitcoins are now switching to bitcoins as they know that paypal sucks and  ask too much fee for their service. Bitcoin will soon overcome Paypal and other such services.

Yes, now with the rise in Bitcoin price more investors and internet users are reading news about Bitcoin and they are interested on it, including Paypal users. I think at this moment Paypal users are just waiting Bitcoin be accepted by more stores and sites to do a full migration to Blockchain and stop using Paypal services, as Bitcoin is simpler and more accessible.

I honestly doubt that bitcoin will overcome Paypal due to its cheaper fee requirement because as you can see the current recommended fee which is now required for a transaction to be confirmed fastly is increasing significantly if this problem keeps on continuing it'll definitely become a disaster for bitcoin and there's no more sentence "Bitcoin is cheaper than Paypal".
In another hand, bitcoin still advantageous on other categories such as its simplicity and so on.

I still use PayPal because not all merchants accept Bitcoin. Furthermore, recently it takes average more than 30-minute for my bitcoin transaction to be confirmed.

I think bitcoin is no evil like paypal and how paypal transactions is processed and done.Yes in paypal you can refund an transaction and make charge backs depending on what is your account state.But in bitcoins transaction are unstopabble and unrefundable,once bitcoins is dispatch in a wallet there is no way to request or file for a refund for it.Unlike paypal that helps you to refund your transactions and scam people.So bitcoin is no evil

Scammers are truly evil, but how can PayPal and bitcoin be evil?? I get what you mean but myself don't consider them like that. From my perspective, the way how we use PayPal or bitcoin is the main cause which affects people's views of them. And scammers will do anything, so we will get scams whether we use bitcoin or PayPal.

Honestly a very few people would make a 100% switch from paypal to bitcoin, no matter the number of stores accepting bitcoin and no matter what the fees are. Buyers don't pay the fees, the sellers do. And there is no buyer protection with bitcoin, in the opposite of paypal

Paypal is not the same thing as bitcoin. Paypal is not a cryptocurrency paypal is not a currency either. it's like comparing an apple with an orange ;)

PayPal has a few major advantages that Bitcoin can't offer at this point;

1) Massive global acceptance.
2) Buyers protection.
3) Instant transactions when using PayPal balance.
4) No exposure to volatility.

In order for Bitcoin to interest PayPal users to at least partly ditch that service, Bitcoin must offer an equal level of world wide acceptance, and ease of use. Bitcoin at this point can't serve people in that regard. As long as that isn't the case, there is no reason for these people to hop over to Bitcoin. That's why I badly hope that Segwit and Lightning Network get implemented as soon as possible. It won't suddenly make Bitcoin superior to fiat related payment platforms, but at least it has then a solid foundation to keep developing further.

I don't think that bitcoin can be treated as a evil as it is the best and easiest way to send or receive money with lowest fees but Paypal is surely an evil as it charges heavy fees from its users and once more people will start knowing bitcoins they will definitely stop using Paypal and switch to bitcoins.

I hope we can control it. But no one can.
As good as we hope it could be, we can do nothing. As bitcoin is not controlled by anyone else. I thing it is way darker with bitcoin. They can do what they want unlike paypal where there is some kind of screening to do. But that doesn't say it is more evil. It will still depend on the usage of every user.
Plus bitcoin will always be different, it is already a currency which makes it more prone to different kind of illegal currency. In paypal it is still dollar or euro so it is dependent to that.
With a newer currency they can make it possible without a trace that is why illegal transactions are made most thru bitcoin.

I don't consider any of them to be evil.
I have made good experiences with both of them, although I have made much more payments with paypal that I made with bitcoin.
Paypal is a business. The whole concern is built to make profit.
Bitcoin is no concern. But the miners, and they represent the most important part of bitcoin, they mine because they want to make profit as well.
For the user, the main difference is if they want to sell, or buy.

Actually the main difference is that in PayPal, there are people who decide what will happen with your transaction or money when someone makes a dispute. Bitcoin is definitely the lesser evil of the two. There are very less points to be considered as evil when it comes to Bitcoin.

True but PayPal and Bitcoin are not comparable.  Paypal is an unofficial means of transferring fiat currency, so the only comparable thing to Bitcoin with fiat currency is credit card transfer (and national banks).

I don't believe that Bitcoin is evil, but it could definitely be regarded as evil because even though it's not controlled by one specific entity it's still founded on a set of principles and, like Paypal, could change at any time.

Still, PayPal has control over your transactions, and this could be regarded as inherently evil, especially with its problems (e.g. chargeback fraud as mentioned).

A lot of people will be biased in this matter and I won't lie and say I'm not. I've only had bad experiences with paypal and would prefer to never have to do business with them again. All the more reason for me to try my best and help bitcoin succeed.

Yea i think paypal more evil than bitcoin because it is not allow in so many countries.
But bitcoin is in every country where there is an internet connection.
Bitcoin is more easy to buy or to sell but paypal is not easy .

People commenting here are mostly the bitcoin lovers and they will prefer bitcoin of course. Paypal is also not a bad service as it has been around for a long time.

I don't think bitcoin can be compared with paypal in any way because paypal is not a currency. While bitcoin is a currency itself, paypal is a service provider of internet transactions. Paypal is also regulated by a central authority and several other country regulations. Bitcoin is decentralized and no one is actually controlling the bitcoin.

That's true that bitcoin is used by many criminals and for many illegal transactions. But bitcoin is far more potential than we can actually think off. Take it as an investment for another 5 years and you will see the magic. That's exactly is where I am heading.

Bitcoin is not evil, the governments who want to put the world into financial slavery, they are evil

I think Bitcoin is less evil than PayPal. There are now also many scammers and hackers who are using Bitcoin but it is not usually the fault of Bitcoin why these people exist...we just have to be careful not to be victims of these bad people as it is impossible to get rid of them. PayPal has the power to do whatever they want especially if they suspect you of doing something they "feel" can be illegal or against the TOS.

Chargeback in PayPal is to curtail frauds which is necessary to prevent scammers, meanwhile the verification processing and restrictions of paypal to some countries is a major set back of which bitcoin has no restrictions and there is no cumbersome verification processing which  makes bitcoin to have an egde over PayPal.

There are too much trolling bitcoin by bitcoin user itself here in the forum. If you more concern about altcoin. There are many threads in that you can tell bitcoin at there not in this section at all.
PayPal is the spammy and scam attack and they done many email scam and many more. But blockchain does not have this mind of experience with anyone.

PayPal is not evil,PP is stupid,BTC is not online wallet it is currence,Your question is very stupid

PayPal is full of shit! Don't want to even hear its name because PayPal robs people money in one way other. One thing I hate about PayPal is nobody is safe with PayPal no matter how rich or safe you think you are PayPal will still rob you and steal your hard earn money. >:(

I really dont think any of these are evil because they are all meant to be there and be used in descretion of people. And if you have an account already, your job is to be careful on your transactions to avoid the scammers. There is no need to blame anyone as the only one resonsible to these transactions are the users themselves. Just like in a regular transaction in a store or something and we should who we buy to to also avois scams. It just so happens that in bitcoin and in paypal, transactions are through digital and throug online accounts.

If evil is to be discussed. In bitcoin there are many. Because almost millions of people around the world experience it as investment sites use bitcoins to steal money. And they can not get it back because they do not know who gets their money. Unlike paypal when you send it you can still recover it. Maybe the difference between the two is because the company is paypal and the bitcoins are a decentralized run because of people

There were actually alot mate more than you think. Actually when it comes to illegal(evil propaganda) bitcoin is the easiest way to use as a payment option rather than paypal because bitcoin transactions are harder to track.

I won't deny you for once but it is very wrong and inappropriate to judge bitcoins by taking only one point in consideration. PayPal is more of a help when you want to track someone but not all of us are criminals. For a person like me, I want two properties in big transactions. They should be fast and cheap. Bitcoins provide me with this.

How can Bitcoin be evil when it doesn't even have a main controller?

I don't agree with ya mate

:/

Paypal is more secure compared with bitcoin, as you mention, there are more devils in bitcoin. These are called scammers and it's not possible to reverse our transactions after get scammed or got our money stolen. In paypal, there is chargeback function to get our money back.

Yes, PayPal is considered more secure because of the functioning happening under a centralized platform where users have got the opportunity to demand if something goes wrong. With bitcoin the situation is different that, we can't question it to anyone if something goes wrong.

Bitcoin is more "neutral" than PayPal.. but there is only one thing that i have to say about paypal.. is that bitcoin probably has more fees than pp right now.
Last week i sent a paypal payment of $5 and i only payed $0.40 of fees, and also i sent a payment of $7 worth of bitcoins and i had to pay $6 of fees.
so we now have even more fees than paypal.. but obviously it is more faster and better, i will choose bitcoin no matter what.

Frankly speaking, bitcoin can't be compared with paypal in any way due to the structural and operational difference. Bitcoin is a currency where paypal is not a currency, it is more of a payment processor. Bitcoin is decentralized and no one actually control it, where paypal is not decentralized and administered by a company. Paypal also regards various country laws but bitcoin has created a parallel economy without any government control.

So bitcoin and paypal can't be compared to its core. However, both facilitates payment from one person to another person. But bitcoin is something different than paypal. So really can't tell who is more evil. I consider bitcoin as a blessing.

Bitcoin is definitely less evil than paypal. Bitcoin is an invisible product that is less likely to be hacked or broken while paypal is not. Bitcoin transaction is also irreversible.

I know someone that had there paypal account with over 5000 dollars froze for 6 months because paypal said they were suspicious.They just locked the money so they could make interest for 6 months

PayPal is more evil than BTC as every now and then it freezes your funds and asks for verifications and also it is not supported in many countries.

Yes,  they’re  all good. But when it comes to being evil, they’re all at the same level evil. Even gold, silver and diamond are all evil, because in the past, they were all used to pay assassins, serial killers and the rest of them. They were to do lots of evil, including doing good things also. So bitcoin and PayPal are the same.

All things in this world has it advantages and disadvantages its just happen that many people that is not knowledgeable about Bitcoin look at it as more evil than PayPal because you transact anonymously yet PayPal are reversible that is being abuse by some scammers unlike to Bitcoin that is irreversible. It is just the matter who uses this thing and how they will secure their moneys.

That is an interesting way of looking at it. I would say then exchanges are ripe for fraud in our bitcoin and altcoin ecosystem.

They are always getting "hacked" and coins are "stolen". I think they mainly steal from themselves.

the world always chooses stuff which is the lowest evil till now, but Bitcoin is something else. it removed that conquering or having all the money stuff from the network now everyone has full control over their money(if you have chosen good wallet).bitcoin is life good but has some problems so it will be less good but not evil from my point of view. and I am sure we can see a lot of bigger sticks very soon in the Bitcoin network.

Bitcoin, Paypal or other asset not evil, depends the way of user, them will make you will be good or bad. Anywhere always have criminals and Bitcoin, Paypal also cannot avoid this rules.

Paypal in my opinion is EVIL, I used to sell stuff on ebay and in conjunction with paypal the scam charge backs made me quit ebay and paypal back in 2011. and I would never use paypal again even if they payed me!

Bitcoin has its own values and the PayPal has its own. Both are very useful. I also do not think any bad things in these two. Bitcoin is evil nor is PayPal. We must look the difference between bitcoin and PayPal. Both are working so good and helping people. Bitcoin is the currency of the new era. One thing is that while transacting your money may be steel and you cannot recover it in bitcoin while in PayPal you can still recover your money.

Definitely I agree with you, as long as there is money there is always crime or evil because of much temptation and greediness of human. Scammers comes along with it and getting more. It is hard to discipline people nowadays especially in terms of money.

Is Bitcoin less evil than PayPal

 i think maybe because there's a lot of scam ...

I am not sure i would consider paypal " evil " just because some people decide to use it at times for bad things. People would be saying the same for bitcoin if that was the case. They would never things like silkroad out of their minds. Now paypal does have some bad fees but here recently bitcoin fees have been bad. So who is the evil of them both?

there is nothing to be seen from bitcoin crime, therefore pure bitcoin from all failures, losses, frauds is very beneficial for investers who invest in bitcoins because this is the way to earn money without getting started with a deposit.
  that bitcoin is very much different from pay pal that always take advantage of the investment for scammers. ...

Paypal slow respone from their support and bitcoin is slow confirmation from the miners but my opinion more comfort use bitcoin than paypal because bitcoin is not needs verification is like paypal who waste my time.

There are many advantages of bitcoin that will place it over paypal. First, the transactions with bitcoins are instantly done. It is less complicated and scammers can be dodged. Just watch where you are buying from.

Bitcoin and PayPal are service providers who try to make customers more than getting negative testimonials. Scammers just use the loop hole to use it for fraudulent activities. PayPal's charge back feature has helped lots to get their money back, at the same there are people who got scammed by the same feature. So it's not to describe these services an evil.

Slow confirmations? I think that's pretty much a nonfunctional statement in comparison to PayPal's transactions. Bitcoin's transactions are final after 10-15 minutes on average, where with PayPal it takes months and months.

Also, with PayPal you know up front that this heavily centralized and regulated service requires people to verify themselves. It's not that PayPal catches you by surprise and forces you to do so.

Despite people not really liking PayPal here, it has managed to grow continuously throughout the years, which pretty much says enough. If people were really that disgusted with PayPal, they wouldn't use it anymore.

With the current situation with transactions PayPal wins hands down but with bitcoin not being owned by anyone apart from the people it is better. People will get scammed with any platform.

Paypal can be used in fraud or scam due to charge back while in Bitcoin, our funds safety depends on our activity and behaviour online wherein carelessness is the only risk to allow others to access or expose important things like private keys, passphrase and credentials. We are not in full control of our funds in Paypal unlike Bitcoin which is a decentralized asset that we can easily and safely control in a safe place like paper or hardware wallets. Bitcoin does not allow charge back because it has an irreversible feature. Bitcoin is also faster than Paypal in terms of transactions.

That is the good thing about bitcoin. We cannot say it is evil because it is decentralized and devs cannot gain anything from it. And its blockchain is open to everyone. Honesty with no one controlling it.

Bitcoin is peer to peer no central authority can control but whereas Pay pal is central currency complete control of ur account is with PayPal obsivoiusly Paypal is evil thats the reason why Bitcoin is born out of freedom

I think you are not weighing all the things that should be weighed. The transaction in Paypal might be quick but scammers are also going to be quick on you. Paypal is more evil than bitcoin because honestly, the number of scammers in Paypal is too much. Even the regular people who just discovered the method of how to surefire get your money back on Paypal by putting a dispute order is now scamming using Paypal. In bitcoin, people might be scamming each other but bitcoin users are actually not regular people who aren't so tech savvy unlike Paypal users who are basically just everyone. Not everyone knows about the scams going on by the abuse of the Paypal dispute feature.

You don't really need the money right away anyway in bitcoin so why would you mind waiting for a little while. It's not like there's nothing left in your account and you have to spend the money right away. What's good about bitcoin is that even though the transaction may take a while, you know for sure that the transaction is indeed going to go through eventually. You don't have to worry about the transaction being stuck forever or having to call support and not having them respond to your issue.

No PayPal or Bitcoin is currently bad. Some people want to find opportunities to steal money and bitcoin and use it properly. Hopefully the same will be the same in the future and new technologies for payment will be brought.

I agree with what you have said, it is how we use our resources. Some use it on doing good deeds and helping people while others use it to their evil plans.

As an added illustration, I will use the knife. A knife is a very useful yet dangerous tool. If the chef uses it on preparing a very delicious food, then he uses it was being used for a good purpose. While the criminal uses the knife to kill people, then it was being used in wrongdoings.

I think not. Thank you  :)

Bitcoin is P2P - so you don't need any Paypal type service which is great. And Paypal is helping me greatly, I don't see Paypal any evil.

Bitcoin allows you to buy anything. Paypal has rules to buy only certain things.
For Bitcoin to work correctly as a means of buying and selling like Paypal.
A third party site to verify your ID to use Bitcoin.
If a buyer wants a refund then the third party site will force the seller to refund. Similar to what Paypal does for trading.
Then Bitcoin can be better than Paypal.

agree with you. In different situations, different options are convenient. Both are good.

I think the purpose for which Paypal is constituted has valid grounds hence I do not think we should regard it as pure evil. In fact, a lot of businesses or merchandises accept Paypal as compared to Bitcoin. Let us remember that the purpose of Paypal is to have a secure payment system which is still by the way utilizes fiat currency. As for Bitcoin, it was also designed to be an encrypted payment system so as to ensure the security of the transaction including the identity of those who are involved with the transaction. However, in Bitcoin, the payment is in Bitcoin itself and not that of fiat currency. There lies the differences. And judging from that, I guess Bitcoin is more prone to abuse rather than Paypal.

Yes you got it almost right even i think that PayPal is having risk than compared to the bitcoin because PayPal is an American company holding the funds and executing the transactions and they are controlling it with very high and tighter terms & conditions whereas Bitcoin is my own bank in my pocket where i can manage the funds according to my needs and only i have control over it. PayPal carries a high amount of risk than bitcoins because it is centralized and governs by the centralized body like the American government.

Blockchain technology stands out for its level of security and verification processes. I think someone needs to be really careless to fall victim to scammers. Dunno much about PayPal but I have never being a victim there.

I will not think bitcoin as evil, ever. Paypal is pure evil in some countries and their rules and regulations are just plain harassment. Their service is really low quality and they block people for no reason.

Another thing is that you cant compare a service with a currency.

With PayPal, users are locked into the fiat currency paradigm such as the US dollar, which will continue to lose value over time. But anybody from Argentina will tell you what capital controls can do to an economy and how a lack of viable currency options could hijack the economy leaving citizens scrambling to find any other store of value.

Fortunately, Bitcoin does not care what you think about Bitcoin and does not force anyone to use it. In fact, if you have a Bitcoin bias, every one is free to choose their coin of preference such as Litecoin, Dogecoin, etc. Don't like any digital coin? Then create one yourself - the possibilities are endless.

Why is this important? Well, let’s say you are in Egypt in the midst of a revolution and the government just imposed controls on all capital exchanges so you are stuck with the worthless Egyptian pound because you have no other alternative and, as a result, economic activity comes to a halt in your community.

Bitcoin, on the other hand, is resilient to outside influences, upheavals, recessions etc. And cryptocurrencies in general offer greater variety when it comes to selecting currency that will most benefit you.

So both a repressive regime or PayPal can seize or freeze your account for ‘security purposes’ – this is not the case with Bitcoin as an individual is now able to store and control their own money. Moreover, users also have greater storage options such as a paper wallet or cold storage to limit exposure to centralized risk.

I definitely believe that Bitcoin is less evil than PayPal.

both have their own 'evil' things on their side.
The chargebacks for some people will make them keeping  on safe while doing buy and sell on internet, but some people will use those function on their own to open a dispute while everything were actually fine and seller feel tricked and on disadvantage position.
on the other hand, bitcoin with it's single-way transaction can make the seller feeling safe cause they know after the transaction ends, buyer doesn't have power to refund. But the bad things is, if someone accidentally send to wrong address, there's "almost" nothing he can do except contact the owner of address (if he can found who had the address) and asking them to give it back to him, yet this thing is also impossible especially if you asking them for free.

I don't consider Paypal evil :) from point of view of its usefulness it is all right :) Bitcoin is just better!

if you know all the paypal is bad why you still use it bitcoin is not bad because it's even helpful especially when we invest in it when it increases our money so it's not true that the bitcoin is just saying They are for it to be discredited.

For me its actually the people who take advantage of it are the ones responsible of everything, I wouldn't say that bitcoin is less evil than paypal because it is not them eventually it is how people use it.

Yes, PayPal is an entity so by its definition is capable of evil.
Bitcoin does not have a head to chop off.

Yes, definitely. I was using PayPal for sending invoices to my overseas clients and the whole cost of the transaction was very high. As PayPal has serious restrictions in my country, we can not hold even a penny in our PayPal account, and received funds are automatically withdrawn in our bank account and charges/Forex rate and time for the whole process was not acceptable but still, I was using it since there was no alternative option. However, when I asked my clients to pay in Bitcoin, I realized that I was not only saving the money but also I was saving the cost and in fact, I was earning 10% more amount as there is high demand in my country for Bitcoin. I was happy to transfer this benefit to my clients and it was a win-win situation for everyone.

Based on your analogies then Bitcoin is more evil. Because Bitcoins transactions is irreversible and your fund is gone forever even if Bitcoin team( If any) investigate and finds out the truth about your situation. But Paypal team if investigate a case and you are right can be refunded.

I think bitcoin is no evil like paypal and how paypal transactions is processed and done.Yes in paypal you can refund an transaction and make charge backs depending on what is your account state

bitcoin is much more decentralized comparing to paypal, which is absolutely centralized service, it can't get more controlled than it already is. SO yes, Bitcoin is much better to reply your question.

It is two another services, what you mean, when wrote it?

If you own a business, Bitcoin is more practical because there are no chargebacks. Chargebacks can be a problem when unscrupulous shoppers take advantage of the policy to get products or money back. Bitcoin transactions are final.

I think paypal is more evil than bitcoin. but how now paypal is approaching bitcoin (?). Because paypal can be controlled while bitcoin no one can control it, so I think the user has full rights to bitcoin account owned

I've had many problems with PayPal in the past. Bitcoin is already proving to be more of an efficient payment system. Cheaper and faster too!

Every people have a unique character as such this online payment systems or cryptocurrencies have some distinctive features. Bitcoin is not the first attempt at an all-digital, cryptographically based currency.Bitcoin has been a notorious outlier, this is its chance to redefine itself as a mainstream contender. So bitcoin is the main competitor of paypal.

paypal but we could do with an escrow for bitcoin that doesnt involve a third party although im not sure how that would work. Paypal charges way too much in my opinion as well. they could easily drop the fee lower and still be making a massive profit. Bitcoin on the other hand costs next to nothing but no one really likes using

yes there is no evil with Bitcoin especially if you understand how it works, sure there are people who will try and steal your money but that isn't Bitcoins fault that is the greedy nature of humans. Bitcoin has a very well known set of rules on how it works and if you agree with those rules and use it there is not much you could have go wrong with it.  Id be interested to know what kind of revenue passes through open bazaar to give us an idea of how many people are actually using bitcoin to buy goods.

 There is Really no evil in Bitcoin as long as you understand how it works and put it into proper use, Avoid making illigal transaction using BTC and you will be just fine, The evil in it only comes when illigal transactions are made. Everything has its advantages and disadvantages How you put it in use is what matters most

Yeah i think both have advantages and disadvantages. I don't know the intention of less evil? yeah I think paypal is just an online wallet while bitcoin is more than that. bitcoin can be said much more complex than on paypal. I will not mention paypal evil because I also use paypal to shop online. and I also use bitcoins for investments and individual transactions

Yes. Scamming with paypal is very easy since you can always claim some bogus reason and paypal will almost always side with the buyer. They could just add a simple 2 factor to grant their customer a Buyer Protection, instead they put all blame on merchant.

is it actually easy just like you said? i mean yeah there's a chance for abusing a buyer-protection feature on paypal.
But having a succesfull for that, might be a hard way because sure there will be a conversation between you and your seller and of course CS from paypal to declare who will win the dispute

Bitcoin is not evil or not PayPal Bitcoin has a great help to improve economies growth of the country.

I can not say anything more, but bitcoin is very transparent, unlike paypal

Paypal still following rules on regulation but not with bitcoin. Bitcoin wallet not connected with any central banks and its not using SWIFT code for transfer so i think bitcoin is very different with paypal. Paypal is like internet banking because using fiat money that attached to central banks rules

Yes of course. Bitcoin is less evil than paypal
because although the value of the bitcoin in the market is affordable and chipper price there’s always be a side or in fact that they are secured that they will be profitable in this business and industry.

Yes to me bitcoin simply brings more to the table and is less restrictive as far as its features and technological capabilities are concerned. Also, keep in mind that Bitcoin’s role as currency is just one of the many potential application of the blockchain technology but even so, Bitcoin is the clear winner offering numerous advantages over the aging PayPal.

Paypal fees are too much in my opinion. they can easily lower the lower costs and still can generate huge profits. Bitcoin on the other hand costs next to nothing but nobody really likes to use, I think the learning curve for bitcoin is harder than to paypal if you are not computer literate.

I think bitcoin is less evil than paypal.because paypal is full of charge of taxes.

Paypal is evil when bitcoin is more evil because there are more bad attempts like scam, scam, ponzi in bitcoin and there is no way you can get your money after you've been cheated. On paypal there is still a way to stop scammers but bitcoin is a wild world that also depends on its usage. 8)

I do not really understand so I will not care about it. Maybe both are equally evil, because now even paypal receive bitcoin transactions.

Bitcoin is not at all evil, it doesn't have any brain and so i could say that bitcoin is not a eveil not a good one but its the way how we use the currency, it's bitcoin good coin! ;D

It's a little unfair to refer to Bitcoin and PayPal as evils if people just find ways to use them for bad purposes. The intended use of PayPal is to make global transactions easier and that's it, humans will find a bad use for anything imo

I don't think Bitcoin has anything evil around it,its very transparent,unlike PayPal that you don't know what goes on behind the seen..you might not track your transactions, if you are not careful..

IN THEORY Bitcoin cannot be evil since it is (or should be) a decentralized system owned by nobody. However, increasing centraliation of Bitcoin mining and BTC (in the hand of waves) is altering the equation of goodness/badness quite a bit.

I think that in any of these platforms should be more careful man himself. Payment platforms are not evil. But even taking a neutral position, I still choose Bitcoin.

bitcoin is much better than this outdated system. There are several evidences to this: low commission rates, community support, ready to develop and improve to satisfy consumers and users. these are additional opportunities in the form of a variety of coins and self-storage of money. further - the availability of bitcoins around the world. in general, at the local level, it is controlled, but it can not be forbidden all over the world, because for this it is necessary to turn off electricity or the Internet.

Paypal is truly the worst. I just had someone "accidentally" put $130 into my account and then email me saying I stole the money and to return it to them right away. Of course I just ignored this person. They even tried to contact me on facebook messenger! In the end paypal reversed the transaction without me having to do anything. I guarantee if I had sent that money back I would be out $130 right now.

Paypal also is still holding $150 I tried to use to buy a painting by a Cuban artist (in Miami). Because the transaction had the word "Cuban" in it they are basically going to hold my money until I get a letter from the treasury department...

I'm not very familiar with paypal as evil because i don't used it but for bitcoin i don't see evil on it and bitcoin provide me a good things in life especially for financial freedom, the only evil i see is the people who make bad things and uses bitcoin for their evil activities.

I would also add the following factors in favor of bitcoin: it is unlimited transactions, which can not be said about PayPal, decentralized bitcoin, which makes it possible to secure the system from hacking hackers. further - it's versatility: when using PayPal you need to have access to the Internet and a credit card; Bitcoin also allows you to send money even via SMS with an outdated phone model.

I believe that investing in bitcoin is more reliable, since you yourself are your own bank)

Certainly it is better than PayPal because there is no risk of account getting suspended. PayPal suspends or closes accounts frequently without any valid reasons.

I don't consider Paypal evil Smiley from point of view of its usefulness it is all right Smiley Bitcoin is just better!

bitcoin is undoubtedly better than PayPal, which, with the advent of the digital currency, has become somewhat outdated. there are many factors supporting the unconditional leadership of bitcoin in front of the PayPal system. for example, low commissions, availability of bitcoins and unlimited transactions for transfers, decentralization and universality.

Yes I agree with you Bitcoin is much secured than paypal and Bitcoin is anonymous in terms of transaction payments, sadly bitcoin can use in money laundering online but for me its better bitcoin than paypal.

former CEO of the PayPal payment system Bill Harris considers bitcoin the biggest fraud, its participants are "misinformed buyers." Nevertheless, bitcoin has better competitive properties than the payment system. for example, this is a large number of services and stores that host bitcoins, lower commissions and faster transactions. the following property - in the "gold standard" bitcoin in the form of electricity used for its extraction.

There is no evil with Bitcoin especially if you understand how it works, sure there are people who will try to steal your money. But that isn't Bitcoins fault that it is the greedy nature of humans.

You are right, for me bitcoin is the best compared to paypal with fiat currencies. Bitcoin don't have a very strict policies and will not limit our account and really don't need to verify our accounts.

I agree with you fellow. Yes, paypal, bitcoin or any other are just instruments for our desires. How do the people use them and their purpose of using them that matters.

I agree with you in all. I sing that in the future much more people will be using cryptocurrency, so working with it today brings you good benefit in the future.

I don't think it is meaningful to discuss PayPal or Bitcoin in terms of good or evil. They are just tools. A tool is neither good or evil in itself. It can be only used to the good or evil purpose but this distinction lies in the hands of a user.

It all reminds me discussing guns or knives as evil tools. Again: it is a person who shoots somebody evil, not a gun. A gun can be used to protect you and your family, too, and this is a good purpose.

I’m a long time Paypal user until now. I am still using Paypal in receiving payments from various freelance work. However, I don’t like the fact that Paypal is centralized and could freeze your account without warning. Bitcoin is something I should prefer because its decentralized and no government or bank can control it. However, both of them are just tools. Just sayin’.

I think that bitcoin is not bad and it's not good to look from the point of view of philosophy, it's not evil, People do it the way it is,

I can not say PayPal is purely evil. Before anyone start any financial transactions with any online platforms make sure you go through the terms and conditions of the platform. It when we go against the terms and conditions of the platform and we are blocked. That's when we see the platform as evil. Bitcoin do not have any atom of evil.

I agree with you there.

I don't know what exactly you mean by "evil", however, I think bitcoin is better in many ways than Paypal. It would be even much better if it becomes more practical to use.

Why you said that bitcoin is evil? A feast for scammers? will it is the scammers are evil, not the bitcoin or the cryptocurrency

Paypal is a currency. Its value is little changed and bitcoin is extremely volatile. I do not see the evil point of 2 coin this

As far as I know PayPal is a neutral payment system that you can use for international payments on the Amazon on the AliExpress and all the different sides along, I don't know why it is evil at your opinion.

now they have a very serious war! very large amounts of money pass both there and there! Of course, bitcoin has great advantages! But while bitcoin is not legalized all over the world, people do not want to invest in it and conduct their transactions through it!

Paypal and bitcoin are just a banking system the evil is in the people whos use those things...maybe you want to say that people can do bad things with paypal more than bitcoin but they still just 2 banking system

Paypal is the worst scum on the earth and one of the main reasons I got involved with Bitcoin.  I would say Bitcoin is less evil by a long way until our names are attached to our addresses.  Then Bitcoin is a Banker and governments widest dream come true. 

yes paypal are legal and bitcoin are not, so  it makes different in number of user. There a new kind of payment like a paypal in my country and i think its big scam and for money fund purpose, i do think it boost consumtion but not really good cause they seems manipulate and makes us cant stop to buy and keep using our money, i do think its sounds good but i dont see any of usefullness for financial. I do think bitcoin is better and trustable cause no one cant control it except the market but bitcoin also has their own problem cause bitcoin is hard to be store of value cause the value is so volatile.

Bad people make a bitcoin issue so its price drops, I think it's just a bitcoin and paypal policy they're just banking system like you say.

I do some sideline freelance work and rely on PayPal to receive payments. And let me tell ya, they're charges and fees are a pain in the neck! I believe bitcoin or any other digital currency is by far, better than PayPal. The core features of bitcoin is security and the absence of a centralized authority, resulting in lower fees and charges. Plus, no freezing of funds or chargebacks.

I think so, fewer commissions and less regulated. PayPal is too strict, they trust AI to fight a fraud but honest people often take a bullet too.

Paypal is owned by one person, or one company in a centralized way, so there is a possibility of manipulation in processing its finances. Like there is theft of funds from insiders or rivals from Paypal itself.

Bitcoin is not like Paypal and is a lot different, ownership of the Bitcoin is owned by the owner, if you send the wrong Bitcoin to someone else's wallet, then the risk is yours.

Paypal is the same as UBER, VISA, MasterCard, all of which are centralized, so when there are problems in transactions or system errors we can submit it to the head office.

Bitcoin is not like that, it stands alone, Bitcoin is the right to own the owner, it is not centralized and when there is a delivery error, it is the risk that the owner of Bitcoin carries.