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source based to the title: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

i have just seen something in the news, some of the people goes depressed with this result. people seen on TV AFAIK are claiming that they are going to vote for independence.

such as Scotland, where wants independence and back to the base of EU.
or North Ireland, may wish to back to the Ireland - the member of EU.


what just happened? why a lot of people demand for second referendum, ie. regret of what they did wrongly. at least, if people who have had voted for withdrawal and then gone crying of going back the EU, let them be, it should be a good thing.

one more thing, the volatility of the stock market, bitcoin is not affected of, will be as high throughout the 20 years. ???


anyway, what should i mention for this? any idea?

disclaimer - i am not an UK resident, and i am standing for : 'GB to back to the EU'.

None of those who had voted for the Brexit are demanding a second referendum. It is the Bremain loonies (especially in London and Cardiff), who are demanding a second referendum. IMO, it is not going to change anything. Even if there is a second vote, the results will be the same (that is, unless Angela Merkel is kicked out of Germany).

ok, really? Merkel is the core of the EU?

i am not sure, but the people in the UK is falling themselves apart in region since the withdrawal.

There is no falling apart here, but there is rejoicing.

Scotland is looking for an excuse to break from the UK. I don't think they can maintain their current standards if they left. But if they want another vote, then they should be given one following the Brexit growth decision for the UK.

An excuse? Not quiet. They're just asking for not sinking with the rest of UK and I can't blame them...

Oh that is just utter shit, they're pissed off leave got a majority and now they're trying to change the rules to suit them and then when that happens and if the same result comes there will be another referendum, I would have no problem with Scotland voting to leave the UK but this is just fucking ridiculous.

This guys, this is why I hate the UK, because if the results had been different all of these people signing the petition would have told the leave side to fuck off and we're not doing it again, what a bunch of Autocracy supporting little monsters, the referendum had a turnout higher than the general election so to try and switch the rules up to 75% is just ridiculous and apparently on the BBC they were saying something like there were people who were voting that hadn't voted since the 90's or some such.

And so? It's rather common to see the loosing side trying to do anything it can to be a winner, what's so shocking about it? --'

So that's less than the leave majority. that kinda tells you all you need to know. if they didn't like the result they got they should've told everyone they knew to get out there and vote. i'll bet they didn't do their part.

but i think if there was a second vote, not that there'll be one as the eu isn't gonna pay attention, it'll be remain. it was a protest vote and i get the impression the reality's looking a bit scary now.

I know, I suppose I shouldn't be shocked that some of them are trying to do this, I just think it's pretty disgraceful given how high the turnout is because they're basically ignoring 17 million people who do want to leave vs their number and considering voting for remain is essentially a vote for an organisation like the EU that really ticks me off they're trying to drag us down with the EU which is inevitably going to collapse anyway.

Hopefully now we've got rid of the remain establishment constantly breathing down everyone's necks and calling them racist these people will largely be ignored, you'll notice that it's a tiny percent of remain voters who have clearly signed this position in comparison to all the others, I know over a million is a lot, but compared to everyone who voted and accepted the decision it is thankfully tiny.

They might have had a point if the turnout was ridiculously small, but the fact is there were massive amounts of people voting this time round.

That is the problem with a simple majority. ( a super majority would only lessen the problem - but that is democracy)

We either have 16.1 million or 17.4 million people who now think their voices are getting ignored.

I think a lot of people were expecting a remain vote, maybe some didn't vote because they thought it was pretty much guaranteed. Unfortunately the 48% who voted to remain will get dragged through the shit until the 52% realise that trading with the EU is the only reasonable option. The leave camp never really had a plan for when they won, so now they're scrambling around for one and it basically comes down to "We will tell Europe what we want and get it". Unfortunately the expectations do not match the reality. It's rather telling that all the older, more bigoted and essentially racist generations will not have to suffer the consequences of the vote - for much longer.

Imho exactly that wont happen. If the EU shows weakness we will see a lot of referenda in the future.

They do have a point considering that the people under 30 all want to remain while the people over 60 all want to leave. Shouldn't this have some weigth in the voting machine? That the people who took the decision are going to die before even having to assume it...

This is classic stuff and it's gonna be repeated over and over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658966/Cornwall-votes-decisively-Brexit-seeks-assurances-won-t-lose-60million-year-gets-EU-subsidies.html

County votes to leave eu and then asks if they'll be able to keep their eu subisdy. um, does it work like that?

You might better phrase it as that number now know for a fact their voices are getting ignored.  But they suspected it all along.

Dumbest shit I read in a while, how can they possibly think it's going to happen???

As long as they are the only ones that can vote in it, give it to them. They will still be under the majority of the original referendum.

8)

OK.... here is the deal. There are some 46,501,241 voters in the United Kingdom. If the Bremain loonies can get the signatures from half (i.e 23.3 million) of them, then we can have a second referendum. Just because they have the support from 2% of the voters, they can't claim that the majority are behind them.

Also, the 52% vs 48% comparison is wrong, as it includes both Scotland and Northern Ireland. These territories are going to secede any way. In England, the margin was 7%.

Actually the 48% also includes thousand of immigrants who were sent papers by mistake - I wonder how they voted. This shows the lengths the current government will go to to get their way. Brexit wasn't just a vote to leave, it was a vote ogf no confidence in the current venal government.

That petition is being brigaded by people from abroad. See

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json

There are actually four petitioners from Syria!!! ISIS for another referendum?  ;D

I think the whole referendum was a sham. I gather 7% of UKIP members were reported as voting for remain. If Cameron can't even win a manipulated referendum, do we really want him negotiating anything on our behalf. :)

cameron's going. his quote was 'why should i do all the hard shit?' and who can blame him? time to relax and reflect on the monumental fuckup he's created. for their sake i hope they get a competent team in there.

I'm concerned that he will allow another spate of QE to push up house prices, and he will try to prop up the pound.

So am I correcting in assuming your suggesting that a say a vote from a 20 year old person should worth more than a vote from 50 years old person, because the 50 year old has higher chance of dying sooner?

If so, what would happen if a 15 stone overweight walking heart attack timebomb 20 year old voted??? Should their vote be then worth less than a healthy 50 year old?

Considering these people are actively trying to remove Britain's sovereignty while the rest of us are trying to maintain it I actually don't, now I have my sympathies with Scotland if they want to go their own way for example, but not if they intend to drag me along with them into the EU, I would never willingly live in such an undemocratic society. Besides, I think even if they get a second referendum going, the shock of it all will be so big there won't be an EU to join anyway and it does show you how fragile and weak the EU is to begin with, they won't be getting their way for much longer I don't think and the credibility of their leaders to begin with has been severely damaged.

A first step would be to take into account the fact that statistically a 20 years old will live 60 years and a 70 years old only 10 years. So it seems fair enough to give more weight to the first one.

But yes indeed we could go one step further and give each vote a weigth considering the estimated time they still get to live. But that would be incredibly complicated on a very pragmatic point of view xD

and a baby will live even longer. So lets teach all babies to write an "X", and give them the vote.

the situation is very messy. the UK is torn a part and it seems that these results are just the beginning of more problems. I wonder how the brexit supporters feel now ? does UK became great again?

The leave guys are already backtracking about most of the stuff they shouted about. the ones who voted most fervently for it are also the ones who're gonna get raped by it. they wanted to lash out. they're gonna get lashed themselves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/25/why-people-who-really-wanted-brexit-will-regret-it-most/

There is no sign of any tearing apart that I have seen. But I'm not in Westminster.

Will Britain become great again? Well the structure of society has changed, so it will never rebuild past glories. It is quite a complex society, and many people don't really understand it. There is a lot of history as well. For example, our top schools are called "public schools" in other countries those are the lowest schools. However it is quite capable of adapting to the modern world and become prosperous again. We just need to get rid of the banking leeches now that we have dumped the EU.

AhAhAH. So funny.
Age of vote is determined by the law. The age is not coming from nowhere. You've got the right to vote once you've got all the duties associated. If a baby could fulfill those duties of course it should vote, but that's not the case.

I wonder how the results would turn out if there was a 2nd referendum...seems like some people may switch over to remain...

Second referendum?? sounds like a phrase from a bad loser.

Lol... forget about the second referendum. It is never going to happen. There was all sort of scaremongering and below the belt tactics from the Bremain loonies for the first referendum, and yet they lost it by a 7% margin in England. Even if there is a second referendum, the results are going to be the same, although the margin can be slightly different (5% or 9% in favor of Brexit).

Where do you get your figures? 7% margin? 40% of youth voted for BRexit?

They won by a 3,8% margin. And seems I'm not the only one insulting here ::)

Maybe there's a chance that the second referendum will make the people do a wise decision, we see now the voters who voted brexit totally regret what they did.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/24/british_voters_regretting_their_decisions_a_roundup.html

The worst part is that the leaders of the leave fraction have no idea what to do now.
They are now just playing for time while the rest of the EU wants them to get out... asap!


Time for a lot of popcorn.

7% margin in England, including the occupied territory of London.

3.8% margin all across the UK, including Scotland, Wales, and Ulster.

And as I have pointed out, 40% of the youth (aged between 18 and 30) voted in favor of Brexit, and they probably constitute a majority of the native non-immigrant youth population in England.

All these people, if you turn them upside down, the half GDP of EU will pop up from their pockets.

I suppose you're trying to say I'm leaving on welfare is that it?

It would be fun to watch this if it wasn't so sad. Brexit won and obviously there shouldn't be a second referendum, but they won by a very small margin, dividing the country. I don't think many brexit supporters will like the results.

Like a petition could change anything...

TO change anything, it would need to be signed by at least half of the British population, otherwise it doesn mean anything.

25,000 signatures from the DPRK? How much did they paid for it? This is high treason and whoever did this crime must be put behind bars. Remember that this comes at a time when the international community is trying to isolate the evil regime of Kim Jong Un. Even China and Russia are co-operating with these efforts. And we have some criminals here trying to support the dictatorship.

Don't worry about it. It just proves that we are right to leave. Now stop bitching, and let us get on with building a healthier world without the EU

Looks like estimates are coming in for turnouts based on age now. Some put the 18-24 turnout at 36%. Oldies 83%. You reap what you can't be goddamn bothered to sow tweenies.

thats one hell of a botnet

but i think they are getting stronger. because more and more states and becoming their alies. yes it is a fact that they have their hard time. they are passing from difficult time but they have to bare it. if they want to stand on their own feet.

Brexit is not about racism, it is about economic subjugation.

The media is trying to simplify and demonise the leave side in order to distract people from this fact.

Don't forget this money is created out of thin air, we have an alternative Bitcoin would help, but who is listening?

Any how, shut down the banks, Fed res included, and Countries could then create own money, within certain ceiling limits, maybe that would work?
Something has to be limited, or maybe I have no clue, its one of those just come to me, spur of the moment things.

Nationalize the currency like Hitler did.

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UK's future

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PS: no offense ppl!

a) this petition has already been proven to be full of fake signatures so is irrelevant.

b) even if the 3.5 million signatures were genuine 17.4 million voted to leave so who gives a fuck :)