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What is your opinion about the European Union?

according to me, at first, this union was the best of all other unions but now, it is collapsing because of ongoing refrugee crisis and its  wrong decisions on european econimics.. in ten years, it will have been totally ruined by muslim for sure..

As for me, Union is the best option for the european nations. Remember, Immanuel Kant wrote about two options of the future for mankind. A bad option is to be each nation apart, fall lonely or fight each other due to mess. It'll lead to the vast grave of humanity. And a good one is to unite nations into the one union for common help and wealth. That is what Kant called perpetual peace. There will be peace under the both options: with us and without. Though if we want to survive, we should choose a good one. Because of that, European Union as a unifying factor is one of the guarantees of human survival in future perpetual peace. IMO, I'd love more Union of Europe and the World than the isolation and real possibilities of protracted wars.

feminised homosexualised marxist organisation of pro muslim traitors that needs to fall and be replaced by something better

Should it be replaced by masculinised heterosexualised traditionalist organization of pro christian crusaders?  :)

Developed from the work of Immanuel Kant, the theory of democratic peace simply states that democracies do not fight with each other (Perpetual peace, 1975).

Democratic peace theory:

Monadic theory: Democracies are peaceful and less likely to go to war with any state
Dyadic theory: Argues that democracies are peacefull with eachother but are likely to fight with other non-democracies.
Systematic theory: Holds the argument that the international system becomes more peaceful with the increase of democratic states.

Isn't the European Union rather antidemocratic and therefore not an improvement to perpetual peace based on the arguments mentioned above?

something along those lines yes

As Russian who needs to make the visa for visiting any countries of the Union I think it's just a group of countries who think they are much better than others. They are trying to build some positive economy, but the end will be the same like to other unions as USSR or Yugoslavia - it will fail apart.

It is very not clear, how from the theory of democratic peace comes that EU is antidemocratic and therefore denies a perpetual peace.
First I want to understand what your is point about democratic peace theory. You said that democratic theory of peace claims that democracies either don't fight any state (monadic theory) or don't fight each other, but can fight non-democracies (dyadic theory) - we can say, strong pacifism (when democracies tend to avoid wars) and weak pacifism (when democracies can go to ar with non-democracies). Independently from version of pacifism, the democracies growth makes international system more peaceful and secure (systematic theory).
Are there any facts on the EU or statements in its documents, which tell that EU is antidemocratic and incompatible with perpetual peace? Let's see. First of all, is the EU denies principles of democracy and therefore is antidemocratic. By its statements, the EU is democracy. But as for examples. Do we see persecutions of eurosceptics or EU/NATO tanks in London due to Brexit? No, we don't. Which is not true for the USSR (sometimes people incorrectly equalize the EU and the USSR): there were persecutions of anti-Soviets and the Warsaw Pact tanks in Budapest and later in Prague. Next, can the EU go to war? I can, so it is not strong pacifism. But does not approve the war. War is a last resort, it is ultima ratio regum for Europe. The EU could not tolerate anti-democracies, but going to war with them is the last resort for the EU. And the Union welcomes worldwide growth of democracy. So it could very undesirable contradict to the monadic theory, it doesn't contradict to the dyadic theory (there was no war between the EU members inside) and systematic theory.
So the EU is democratic and compatible with perpetual peace since I do not see the opposite reasons.

The EU was poorly thought out, Democracies and socialist can't work. other talk to much and gets very little done and Then there's socialism that works good until you run out of other peoples money to spend, This is the cat fight from hell.

antidemocratic

monopoly game of imperialism

EU Dominated by Communists - UKIP Nigel Farage -October 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SHAhP_Hy18

Useful. But not irreplaceable. The common market, freedom of movement, some common rules and interests, etc help it be more competitive against other countries. And have more weight in the world. Better than individual countries fighting for themselves and their interests. But I don't agree with the neoliberal policies implemented. With the devastation caused in countries like greece for example.

It's never been a union, and with Turkey going in, it's no longer European.

Very few people know that European Union was established by big bankers and its policies are controlled by Zionist Jews

http://dvcronin.blogspot.ca/2010/11/how-israel-lobby-dictates-eu-policy.html
http://englishnews.org/news-central/resources/resource-a-conclusive-report-on-the-undeniable-self-evident-jewish-eu.html
https://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/index_eu.htm

Many Norwegians are fighting to get out of the economic union that we are in against our will.
Sadly it doesn't seem that we get a vote since both out big party's are pro EU even if just, if I remember right, 19% of the people is pro EU. UK, don't go for the Norwegian model. Get something better

Why do you think turkey is joining the eu? There are talks going on. But lots of problems to solve first before they can join. And no one wants to ignore those to let them join sooner. The european commission said recently no one would join the eu in the next five years. Probably it will be much longer for turkey.

Seems like that promise will never be kept. Turkey wont be able to join ever.

i believe smoothing trade and borders is a good thing. i don't believe attempting to shoehorn crazily disparate cultures and economies into one box can ever work and that's ably demonstrated by the last few years.

there's enough discontent in the us at federalization and they all share a language and culture and it's been in place for over a century. 

nice username :P

hey, i type what they tell me to type during business hours. outside of that i'm gonna think for myself. and they pay me in dollars too. go figure.

That was actually an irony. Anyway, I don't think that a return to the past is a good choice. You say that against marxism we must have traditionalism. So you suggest we should return to a divided Europe of suspicion, some 20-30 years of the 20th century. We can return and repeat right totalitarianism as well as left, but why do we rush from side to side? I don't think there is a need for radical extremes. IMO, it's better to keep equality between right and left wing than become right or left. And why you attribute to your views global importance as if it has to be an universal necessity? Some people can like your ideas, but others have different views. There isn't view that could be an objective law.

So, do autocracies work fine? Though that was an irony too, but we can say that the experience of the 20th century clearly shows that they don't. Democracy may be an imperfective construct, but others are even worse and you won't find any perfective construct. So, I don't argue that the system is imperfect. But why we should ruin it instead of improving?

Very funny, but it can not even be considered as a constructive post. Unfounded, illogical and too short to argue. Though the last one is typical. Some video of far right populist freak, who famous for scandalous speeches in the European Parliament, on channel "88kmitchell" (name hints at far right wing) with anti-Semitic comments. So, very suspicious and marginal video.

Unfounded. By which principles it's not a union? And why with Turkey it can't be European. Because of geography? I doubt, Cyprus is geographically in Asia. Because of non-European origin? I doubt again, Hungarians and Finns are too non-European by origin as well as European nations were once barbarous. Because of religion? Hardly believe. Firstly, Turkey is a secular country. Some can say it has a Muslim background. Yes, it has as well as some European regions: Spain, Balkans.

Lol.

I thought that a joke thread was in another place.

It hasn't been united since its inception.

Why call it European if you include non-european countries.

But we're talking about union and not one united state. Of course there wasn't any European Federation or something like that. But there is union of European states that expressed by common market, space, traditions etc.
My point was that many now European countries by origin are non-european. Even Europeans themselves were not Europeans in the sense of their old customs and so on. So I think, if country become European, by which I mean that it follows European principles and mentality, why it could not join the EU. The other thing is that Turkey yet has to rise above itself to join the EU. But, IMO, it can be real in future.

Yes looks like the EU is no longer necessary If more countries leave, it'll amount to more good than harm for Europe.

Democracy is a great thing - and the European Union is famous for ignoring it. They're trying to tell Britain to ignore the referendum, can you imagine? Luckily the governing party (the Conservatives) have said they accept the result and there won't be another referendum.

If you make some statements, it will be useful to verify them by some clear examples or facts. For instance, you saying that the EU is famous for ignoring democracy. But you didn't verified your statement, so it is unfounded. The same holds true for the next statement: the EU tries to tell Britain to ignore the referendum. Loud statement, but I'm not going to take that on trust. Are there statements of the EU officials that can confirm "ignoring the referendum" as a position of the EU? I don't know such.

In 1941, Walter Funk, Hitler’s economics Minister, launched the Europaische Wirtschafts Gemeinschaft (the European Economic Community) – EEC) to establish a single European currency. Hitler’s plan was to integrate the European economy into a single market.

In 1945 Hitler’s Masterplan (captured by the Allies) included a scheme to create an economic integration of Europe and to found a European Union on a federal basis. The Nazi plan for a federal Europe was based on Lenin’s belief that: ‘Federation is a transitional form towards complete union of all nations.’

A new book entitled, ‘The EU: The Truth About The Fourth Reich – How Hitler Won The Second World War‘, suggests Germany is the only country that benefits from a European Union,

I don't know if true..But Germany was the one doing the best in the EU.GLAD TO BE OUT OF THE EU..
 

i hope UK will return to EU Union again and soon it is a backbone country for EU.till now i don't feel it.

You support the ponzi bankers then and the single market, the thieves who manipulate countries, George Soros  billionaire destroyer of many society's.
You support multitudes of immigrants to go where they please throughout Europe, you support the lying Conservatives in Parliament.

You support the Mps who voted for the bombing of Syria, you support the renewal of Trident?
You support how British Media Lied And Tricked Us Into Joining The EU in the first instance?

Read it or be unaware

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/howthebritishmedia.htm (http://www.vernoncoleman.com/howthebritishmedia.htm)

I do not support any of this.

Funny, but you actually do exactly what you avoid to do, you just didnt realize it yet.

Look up the news after brexit and tell me if the groups you describe profited from brexit or not.

The bankers will profit. Not because of Brexit, but because Carney will support them with a cash injection to boost houses and old masters. No doubt more of our assets will be sold to cover the debts. He should spend the money on more police, coastguadrs, nurses, doctors and other things that will boost the economy, and not the foreign investors. Lets see interest rates rise to 2-3% as well to encourage saving.

To be very honest here, The only news I do read, is RT and Russia insider, apart from the few that links from this website, I haven't even bought a newspaper in over twenty years, so as for statement I know nothing about who profited, but I can bet it would be some of those I listed, even traders here on this forum have benefited.
I stand by my words, and do not support any of it, I see plenty of skulduggery going on with Brussels and member cohorts.
  

i agree that are certain areas of the EU that need a change but i'm still the opinion that the brexit decision will only change things to the bad.

@criptix

It was not a bad thing before joining, I remember it well.
Ever since though, things went downhill for millions of people at the time, I bet you do not see that in the MSM.
In comparison we as residents, were better off all round, even the budgets where nothing to be scared of, now they are.

Corruption must have been going on, but not to the extent we have now, its every where, and I mean every Brussels funded business.

I beliave the European Union is a great thing. Obviously it is not perfect but it is a great step forward a Federal Europe. Europe has a history of war and destruction and the European Union is essencial to stop wars inside its territory.

That is popular among eurosceptics with doubtful financing that may come from somewhere out of Mother Russia to compare the EU with left (the USSR) and right (The Third Reich) totalitarianism in order to attack it as red/nazi antidemocratic organization. In fact, the Third Reich and the USSR (especially in Stalin era) had much in common: one party and its leader, one state ideology and propaganda that supports it etc. However, that states compared to the EU have significant differences: real sovereignty of states of the EU (when it the USSR the sovereignty was just formal and there wasn't such a thing in the Third Reich), multiparty system, the absence of state ideology per se and freedom of speech and the same absence of state propaganda controlling medias. So, I hardly see how the EU can be called both the new USSR and the Fourth Reich.

And it seems to me that Germany is facing with the similar problems as the other members of the EU as it can be called as a pan-European crisis. Otherwise it would be too easy to say that Germany is doing the best and just conquers other european states to create so-called European Reich.

Actually Europe's attempts at "unity" are the ones that have yielded the ugliest results. Here is an Easter postcard from Vichy-era France in 1942:

https://i.redd.it/0t90nkicmk6x.png

It could have been made today, which is what is so disturbing about it.

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If it would be like you guys described then there wouldnt have been a brexit. We would have war and the UK would be gone in some weeks.
Dont be delusional and stay realistic... like i wouldnt wonder if u guys would say next that flat earth is real and germany started the world wide globe conspiracy.

PS: WW2 was not about unity

Wow. Yes.....Norway and Switzerland looking in Europe's direction but standing alone, while UK walks incredulously into the 'Special Relationship' box. That postcard was over 70 years ago.  :o Just wow.

Not just 70 years ago, but in the middle of WW2, when the Axis powers were selling "European Unity" and a whole bunch of soft minds were buying it not seeing what lay beneath till too late. That postcard is Vichy propaganda that is not that different to what the EU deploys now.

Amazing foresight.

https://i.imgur.com/AjqgGLY.png

See Should England leave the UK - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534331.msg15447586#msg15447586. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534331.msg15447586#msg15447586)


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The prejudices of the Europeans towards the anglo-saxon world are definitely the same. Never mind, the fourth reich will soon be over

The European Union is mostly profiting the commercial banks that is making a lot of money from international alliance. The system is just making the political giants stronger but the general public aren't benefited from the Union. The national resources are exploited by the International corporations leaving countries in debt.

In the beginning, EU was great vision about united Europe, peaceful world, without war and conflicts, economical cooperation etc.
Unfortunately, in last 20-30 years Europe lost their vision and forgot their goals.
EU become to much bureaucratic, centralized and heavily regulated and because of this people dislike her.
EU also never becomes truly united and their decision process is very complicate and difficult.
Because of this they often can't decide anything and loosing time in fruitless debates that often end up with rotten compromises.
EU should change or they will die soon.

EU must die: Farage on Euro plunge, Wilders ban and slagging the president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h0pCV5Mcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs