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This post will always be updated. Sites I list are Based on my ppersonal observation.am not paid to advertise or condem anysite.
****SITE FOR HIGH ROLLERS TO AVOID NOW IS ROLLIN.
Especially if you are not betting on 50% chance be cause their max payout is low.
Will update once I notice that shit is fixed.
Also, the wont let u withdraw winnings after 1 confirmation. Thats because they are 90% sure that most high rollers will be forced to continue playing and loose.
Max profit is 6btc. Very easy to destabilize and mess up any high roller's balance.
Finally if u win too much, they ask for your ids.
Definitely not a site for high rollers. Just avoid till they fix all this scam tricks.
another site to avoid is safedice.

updated. avoid betcoin

How can the site control the outcome of your bets if the the game is provably fair? You can use your own seed right? That only proves they can't control the outcome of your bets AFAIK

You have any valid proof about this, it is very hard for me to believe on this betking can rigged our bet result there because they have authentic provably fair system so that i believe it is not possible for them to do this unfair practice.

I have never heard a coherent argument about how a provably fair site can undetectable cheat you. If they credit your deposit, you set your client seed, all the bets check out, and they honor your withdrawal -- then you simply were not cheated, you got unlucky. Possibly very unlucky. Maybe the rolls you pulled were so bad, it was a 1-in-a-million chance of being normal? But that means not much more than you were super unlucky..

(And that is the whole beauty of provably fair)

I also think op got unlucky with his bets and that is why he got frustrated to see the bet result, in fact losing streak is really bad when it happened than all people make this kind of statement, very hard to take responsibility of lose.

betking is one of dice sites which has provably fair, you can check that in dicesite.com , so i think your opinion isn't valid. how can you be sure if you would get more reds when no one playing? didn't you thought maybe that was because you were unlucky?

This post is for people planning to go play there. Provably fair dosnt mean they. Can't cheat. Do a little research

Have you tried betchain ? Their coinflip is how it should be, very fair and consistant. It's not like other places where you get 6x misses or more in a row. It goes something like this heads, tails, heads, heads, tails , tails, tails heads. Something like that its a pattern as it should be. I got a bonus from them and just kept flipping for that same amount each time till I reached the minimum wage limit.

Provably fair gives you the tools needed to detect if the casino is cheating.

Verify your rolls.

If you find an issue the be sure to make it public.

As for the no one playing there, there certainly is. What you don't see is 40 bots martingaling from 1 satoshi base bet anymore.

Seriously? You sounded more like a sore loser than someone who shares his concern over a site that you claim is cheating its players. This is what happen when some one loses big time, claim that theyve been cheated and ask for refund but while they are winning all you can hear from them are all praises. Move on boy!

I would go try it out. Betting wins and losses should be random. When u notice a repeatative loss, u know there is something wrong

Why do u think everybody posting this is loosing?
I have won a reasonable amount of coins there . I can still win more if I want. The point is, presently the site is rigged.

Like I said, no one is playing now. Those bets are old bets. Lack of players there makes it easy for u to rig bets. You can decieve people but u can't deceive every one.
Presently your site is rigged and u know it. Make us site the way it used to be. Once I see that, I will update the post in all forums I have posted it

No one is playing?

https://i.imgur.com/MrFk2sr.jpg

That player is up 29 Bitcoin.

Dude how can there be just 1 person playing in a casino site?. Those bets are old bets. Like I said and still say, no one is playing now. Site has been idle for a few hours. U are just waiting for any idiot that puts his cash so u scam him.

Ooh! One of my favorite words can be used here.  Variance.  Every roll is independent of one another.  There is no underlying method or plan for the rolls and they are all pre-determined.  You could technically have 100 losses in a row (on ANY multiplier) because of this, or you could have 100 wins in a row.

That was actually after your post, check the site, click the bet id and you see date.

There are not players playing 24 hours constantly now because I raised the min bet so there are not the same users who would have 20 bots all betting 1 satoshi and wasting resources.

Keep trolling though. Everyone knows it's not rigged and I explained so I won't reply again to your thread.
 

I didn't post this so u reply. I posted this so people are aware and don't go there.
I don't support those tiny bets though but you sound more greedy now. That's even a good reason for people to believe that u are gonna do anything to rig their cash.

Just because you went on a losing streak does not mean Bet King is rigged (its not). You shouldn't be gambling if you are expecting to win every time.

That is example of bad luck as op met the losing streak and acting like this he has been got cheated by this casino, I know it is very hard to accept the loses in gambling because we all want to make profit for sure every time when we start playing on dice site.

All sites have experienced a slowdown in gambling period. I think thats partially due to raise in price of btc as well as dean raising the min bet in BetKings case. Why would a casino risk a 3k bankroll? Wouldnt make any sense for him to cheat anyone

Avoiding for now. Thans for the heads up, dont forget to remind us when everything is back to normal.

Am happy there is someone that can read the writings clearly.

Man, there is a difference between slow down and no one beting. How the fk do u go on a dice site and u are the only one rolling.b
The bot the will read your pattern easily, and u cash will be used to balance the house Loss. Use ur common sense

This is just like a laughing stock. Please dont waste our time hearing nonsense. If you want to gamble, gamble what you can lose and dont come here crying like a baby if you lose. I dont see you complain when you win.

The site is provably fair.  It sounds like you just had bad luck and are butthurt about it so you made this accusation.  Stop trying to ruin a sites reputation by making false accusations, just because you lost.

Most of you talking trash are either not dice gamblers or u play with faucet. This post is for real gamblers. Any real gambler betting high btc will understand what I mean.

well, you can't expect all users here to agree with you specially those who know what provably fair means. i don't believe your accusation too and sorry for that

HAHAHA this thread is for gamblers who gamble big amount, check this out http://prntscr.com/bns6nj
you made me quite a laugh this morning Hehehe your not 18 and your not allowed to gamble so get couple years and come back then :)
regards.
-Katerniko1

Why d fuck do u like puting your name below your comments?
We can see your useless name there , u don't need to repeat it as if u are important.
BTW go back to an English school before coming to type on English forums
I am ignoring you because u are poor and broke. I saw allbyour comments of u begging for loan.
Ignored

When you will update the title of this thread because I just played there and my session went normal like on other dice sites, I am pretty sure to see this you was very unlucky yesterday and got on losing streak because some times ago it happened to me but on other dice site, anyway sorry for your lose and good luck for next time.

dude its a dice game its always based on luck .. you probably just bet on a lower chance and expect to win i have been playing satoshidice and fortunejack my losing streak in 35% chance went to 30+ before i won...

can you even show us a screenshot of your losing streaks?

ignored you say? then why did you comment on my pd post after this hihi ? allbyour? english  dayuuum your proffesional in this :)
and im putting my name at end because it makes you sad :D so live with it :*
regards.
-Katerniko1

Not being nasty but maybe you shouldn't play anymore or at least play
there. Good luck with whatever your problem with them is. Glad I'm not sorting this out myself.

Huh? Real gambler betting high btc? You are also didn't said how much you lost (i think maybe you just lost below than 0.01 btc). Yup, i admit if im not high bettor, but im not blame to site when im lost, because when im gambling i know maybe i'll lost my money or won.

Im not also a high bettor as others betting only .01-.5 since started. Im a gambler(dicer in pd). Many have been loss more than you loss but didnt act like that. Before you play put this thing in your mind in gambling you will lose more than you win and house always win and thats the risk im taking if you cant afford what youve lose. Better stop gambling coz for sure you will say another statement like this when you moved into another site and had a bad streak and loss again.

it just doesn't make sense , seriously if you believe on what you posted then you should quit dicing forever
the fact that there are no users playing doesn't change the odds , I'm an investor in a gambling site that has a low traffic and I can say that I still have some negative returns in the short term even if there are only two people rolling

I think there should be a centralised site which can verify any bets from any sites. That might curb the problem of getting false claims about being rigged. I don't know about Betking though.

So your argument is that you had a bad streak therefore it's rigged? That's not an argument at all... Can you provide ANY proof that the site actually manipulates your rolls?

Can't you understand OP. You have the client seed, and they have server seed. They cant possibly rig the results.

Ummm... Yes you can. Do you know what happens with the client seed and server seed before getting your result ? You don't know what the program that they are running does inbetween. So yes the seeds are fair but they are merely variables. What is done with them is what matters.

This is serious accusations and I expect to see some serious proofs. Story like story, everyone can come up with something.
If this thing happened more then once, let's try to film it or to make some video of that. It will help a lot to us to see same thing you did, and then more people will believe.
I'm not gambling there often, its not in my list of favorite sites, but I don't think they will scam people like that.

Just because you lost, doesn't mean its fake. You have zero proof of this and your just angry that you lost. If actually have sufficient proof, we would listen to you, but you don't. Your just ranting about loosing. Next time don't waste everyone's time.

Well actually I have played their slots about 4 months ago and won some decent amount of money back then. Still I have quit slots since some time but what I want to say Betking is paying, and you have only hit an extreme bad luck (rare case but it happens). When you keep playing games of chances like dice be prepared for the worse, its a chance game , nothing you can do about it. Also betking paid me when I placed a few sports bets there about 2 months ago so for me its a regular site like many others.

It's always commendable that users voice out their problems in their forum but this one in particular seems very strange and lacking any actual proofs, hard evidence or a concrete problem (withdrawal issues for example which is very common).

I've seen plenty of these threads popping up lately, especially for well established gambling sites so I'm a little skeptic that they could be paid by direct competition or have other hidden motives.

Betking is a really good site but only when you play big.
There are almost no players,only big whales playing really big,dont even bother about investing in it.

I tried them once along time ago and was looking for a new bitcoin casino too go to.
Thanks for the heads up on this as I was about to revisit that site.

So they would be able to rig it even if you were to change your client seed every single bet? Absolutely not.

Here's the process.
https://betking.io/help/provablyfair

You can verify it manually too.

I cant believe that there are people who take in whatever they see. It is very obvious that the OP is getting mad for losing his bet and so he is accusing the site with no evidence/proof at all. If you think carefully, a casino has been running for years and there are players who bets 100 over btc in them, why would they go and cheat a small player instead to ruin their rep and lose out on the big players?

Maybe they have make enough and ready to run.
Could be for many of reasons.  :-\
Who really knows why only they would.

The problem is that you decide not to visit one of the most reputable and most successful gambling site with one of the longest history and one of the most popular site just base on a guy who accused the site with no evidence at all.

And base on what you have said, then i suggest you dont ever visit any online casino.

I think its your fault if you are looking for a profit while you are gamble in betking and i think many people are still playing in betking.
Maybe you lose a lot thats why you are acting like that think first gamble made only to give entertainment not for making a profit if you are really lose a lot just regret not to blame the owner..  or try to check and verified your bet if you experience of fraud or not..

I never had any kind of issue on Betking how many times I played there. The issue of not being fair appear when someone goes to play with idea of winning for sure and results appears different. Gambling is not milky way to just make deposit and this easy make money. These well known sites have industry standard provably fair system implemented so every played bet can be verified. You need to stay away as each time you loose you will blame site.

Betking it's rolls always checked out for me. OP is just butthurt.

For those of you saying am loosing, I must say no am not. Am not winning because its fair. I won because I am smart enough to tell when they are about rigging and then use it to my advantage. I am winning dosnt mean its fair. I see the same rigging happening everyday. I can possibly tell when a high roller is gonna loose. This is suppose to be a game that gives you random unpredictive numbers. But thats not the case here.
Idiots asking for proof should have asked me to just get access to the owner's laptop instead.
Idiots will remain idiots.

So if you think Betking is no good they might be cheating then why don't you test other dice sites and tell us what is the difference?
Betking is 2nd biggest online Dice Site right after PrimeDice - so you maybe want to check out PrimeDice and tell us what you think about their provably system.
Is it rigged as well?

Well give us the provably fair info from here: https://betking.io/play/#provablyFair and your last rolls and we can easily check it out ourselves if the rolls are fair or not and if it was tempered with.

1. When you first visit the site we generate a random string of characters on the server used as your Server Seed. A new server seed can be generated by you before you roll.
2. A SHA-512 hash of the server seed is shown to you before you bet to prove we can't change it.
3. When you bet we get a Client Seed you supply (one is auto generated by your browser that you can change).
4. We take the server seed, client seed and the number of rolls that you have used the current server seed for in the format: n:s:n, n:c:n. Where n is the number of rolls, s the server seed and c the client seed. We take the HMACSHA512 hash of that. We convert the first 5 characters of the hash to decimal and that is your roll.
5. Sometimes the first 5 characters will not result in a number we can use and so we loop through the next 5 characters 6-10, 11-15 etc until we find one. The code for this is below.

My guess is he doesn't understand provably fair and how it works.

Another idiot coming to emphasize on how pf works

"emphasize"

You need to stop. BetKing is not faking or rigging anything. Your either a troll or someone who's angry about being stupid and losing more money than they can afford. Unless you have valid proof, no one will take you serious.

Dude learn to read. I clearly stated that AM NOT LOSSING THRRE

Any proof of your earnings or them rigging?

And u expect me to give u my user name and pw to prove?
Can u guys be realistic for once?
This is why this fools scam u, they know that when u try to hit back, others will ask for useless proofs.
Dude go read on how btc scam works

looking at how much people are still betting there on www.dicesites.com I think it is ok still..

Yeah, this guy last night surely got "rigged"

http://i.cubeupload.com/dcb59q.png

This thread needs to get locked and closed.  OP is just assuming that the site is rigged because of a bad "red streak."  That's the only "proof," one guy claiming lots of red.  OP says that because not a lot of people are playing you are "playing against the owner."  What does that even mean?  You are always playing against the house on sites like this, you are never playing against other players.  It's frustrating when a sore loser will smear the name of a provably fair site, just because they are loosing.

wow that is a sweet run! unlucky for the site...

Betking.io is rigged.Admin told us in betking.io chat that slots are probably unfair and he still keep it on their web site.Also be removed faucet but he was advertise that they have biggest faucet in dice world.Also so many bugs and laggs are moving screen when you bet on mobile phone ,i losted 0.025 btc because of that.That laggs are not fixed yet so it cant be best dice with so many laggs.Only design is perfect and other things are poor.

I love how you put it in there RHavar. There are many players on online dice games from all walks of life. There are too conservative and very conscious  about the fairness of bets and verify their bets from time to time and I have never heard it yet that someone proved some discrepancies with the bet verification - if there is, please enlightened me.

I also thank the OP for the heads-up but I guess it would be very helpful to all of us if presented with proofs and valid screenshots of these site being rigged.

Again, I am not for or against to the OP's opinion nor pro or against with online dice sites, I just want some proof if there is(are) out there - I would greatly appreciate it. Perhaps everyone of us here would love to see for ourselves if there are.

Betking works without any issues in my mobile browser, if you say that they are rigged so where is the proof? If there are many bugs, why you dont tell Dean? You lose 0.025 because of the lags, and say they are rigged. Have you checked your mobile first. Lags on mobile phone could be because your connection, you mobile specs etc. Be smart..

I don't think so betking is rigged. I agree with Bitinity that the issue of lags might be of your phone or connection and by the way it has nothing to do with winning or losing in gambling. I lost 1 btc twice and not blame the site as rigged because if it does, people will know.. there are number of people out there that can identify it and published with evidence if the site is really rigged.

UPDATE. Site working well now. Never noticed the lags that obviously results to red. Lost a few btc there recently but never felt cheated or rigged cos the rolls and outcomes appeared normal. I I notice more shit,  I will update. New site to for high rollers to avoid is Rollin . Especially if you aint betting on 50% chance

im pretty sure that op got very bad luck in that time
and he lose a big amount of money

What about the other things he spoke of ? Why do they want your ID if you win alot ? Whats with the 1 confirmation that won't let you withdraw. These are strategies the casino uses to make extra btc he isn't lying. I'm not sure if it is fair or not but the other stuff he speaks about is not fair.

The truth is yeah its not fair because we are choose bitcoin to gamble because of annonymity its obvious that they are just trying to scam someone if they are asking about ID..

This asking for Identification bullshit is the sites trying to masquerade as if they are all about bitcoin to exploit us into using their crappy sites. Once we are there they pull the switch and try to act like a established site that runs under all the rules of the law.
It always makes me feel like I am dealing with kids when I see it and it is a black eye for all bitcoin gambling.

I hate using abusive words in public chats but I must say u are very stupid. Idiots like u will jump out to always say op lost whenever there is a real complain like this. I make a fortune off gambling. I dont loose easily. I am posting this so people dont get scammed. Next time clean ur brain before typing. Every smart gambler will avoid. Sitees like that

That is true. However, it does not warrant that the site is scamming people. I would be biased here because I invested in betking bankroll. We should be aware that eventually, the online casino will win because of the house edge. People complain when they lost and never realized that they will really eventually lost if they never stops due to again, house edge. Gambling is risky - so, we should play bankroll that we can afford to lose.

Yes I agree.. you should accept that when you gamble some of the time you will lose. So that's why they created the word 'Lucky' ;D kidding aside though.

you will definitely lose eventually because of the house edge. Unless you are lucky enough and cashout immediately after winning big - where you don't give casino a chance to win back what they have lose from your winning bets. If you just bet randomly, then you will surely lose just like any other players in any online casinos out there  try to chat in the chatroom, many people have negative stats :)

I read what the betking guy said. He says if you find something wrong to make it public. You know I dont think he will say this of he eas unsure. He sounds honest to me. So I dont think its unfair sorry.

i agree, betking.io is a probably fair betting site. the admin is very approachable and honest, i think OP is just lose on the site that's why he is mocking on this thread,
I saw his feedback and i found out that he always saying negative things about other gambling site. better avoid this thread

my one of friend also faced the same type of scam trick of gambling site . he also posted about such type of scam in this forum . he made about 3.2btc but site didn't paid by saying that your bet amount of btc was high . now i want ask what if the person with that high bet amount was lost his btc then was possible for that site to pay him for his high bet with loss .

I feel like this thread is just for people to vent about losing money to fair sites. You should expect to lose, it's gambling. The reason why you aren't winning 50% of the time is because of something called the house edge.

For people who actually do want to avoid being scammed, check out the casino's trust feedback on bitcointalk.org, and make sure that the site is provably fair.

nothing in topic said by OP makes any sense!
there are only two possibilities: the site is either provably fair or it is not.

if you think the site is not provably fair or if you think they are cheating you then there is no point playing there and you should withdraw immediately and there is no workaround.

but if the site is in fact provably fair then there is no argument about the results, that is just your luck to lose or win whether you play 5 times or 5000 times.

How can you claim that those sites are cheating?
Just because you had some losing streak doesn't mean that those sites are rigged.

If you want us to believe you,you will need to provide us a better evidence.

i will voach for second demotion for this betking.io is quitely good and have a good statistics record upon their players and i could really say that they are running a legit operation since i don't experience any trouble upon playing at their site and i dont see any people shouting and posting some scam accusation and telling that they are get scam by betking.io, we can't really trust people statement easily if they are claiming that they've got compromised by some certain site since they need to show some strong proof and legit statement about the bad scheme happening regarding on the site they are reporting.

That is true. I also vouch for betking.io - although I am not playing there because I am investing :) It would defeat the purpose of investing if you will also play on the platform. In my case, I am earning good with my investment to betking.io and so far, I have no negative profit yet. But it is really unfair accusing them as scam in my opinion.

Im not a player on that site nor a investor, but as i've see i think betking.io is a great sit who's running a legit gambling operation, and also i don't see any bad feedbacks among them , their investment stats and community are also great so thats the reason why i can call them good to play with and not a scam ones, new sites coming up for now is the one should we really need to doubt at since they don't have any reputation yet that we can watch on.

I would also recommend to you guys to avoid sites that offer you a non deposit bonus,unless you have some good feedbacks about this site from some trusted sources.

There are no free gifts and if a gambling site awards everyone a non deposit bonus then they wold not be able to make profit.

Always search for feedbacks online before depositing money into a unknown website.

Directbet it's a scam.. They didn't pay me since June.

IF this happens, then I guess it is more cool to just use the free bonus and not deposit at all. Who knows, you will win out of that free bonus. But really, based on what I see online, what I see is that even if the bonus are free, we need to wager a certain amount of percentage before we can even get the bonus money, we need to free it otherwise we cannot cash it out. Hence, that is really not free bonus at all because there is always a tendency that you cannot cash it because you'll lose in the process.

Avoid ALL of them! They ALL screw you over with their GREED!

If you really believe they rigged then you must ise very low bets and make lots of bets. Record then with screen recorder so we see it is real. Collect the data evidence. People will pay more attention to you when you have proof and a viable story . Otherwise people will just say you butthurt.

I've been seeing a lot of scam accusations here?  allegations without proper presentation of the proofs are clearly being unfair(even if all of us does not really believed that most of the gambling sites are fair and in the first place we should all know that, yet we still play?



Exactly, this is gambling, gambling is what gambling is it is not about losing or winning it is about how you enjoy the game. People can simply quit if they are not satisfied about the result.

Note: i am not protecting any sites here, i am just giving up my little opinion about this matter

Just think of it, do yo think the bunos will be good to their business if it can be cashout easily by their newly signups? It can be abused and turn out that they are losing some money for that feature if they let it happen thats why they prefer to give bunos just to have a test money to play on their site and it needs truly to wager of so that the bunos money will be ready to cashout, and i don't see any wrong for that instance since bunos credits or money can be helpfull for those test seekers.

Are you sure directbet didn't pay you?

Can you post some proof to support your statement? I use the only directbet site for all my sports betting until now I didn't face such issues, and their support team is quite helpful in answering all queries quite fast.

I am surprised that no one here mentioned https://www.999dice.com/ (https://www.999dice.com/) already. Apparently their provably fair system is rigged somehow.
But I am not an expert on PF systems so I can't tell what is wrong exactly, maybe someone care to explain it to me?

They are not mentioning it because they heard that 999dice iscam this is what i heard from some members here before.
Are you really playing 999dice check or try to search it in google or click this link https://www.google.com/#q=999dice+scam

For me almost well known site and provably fair are primedice betking and crypto-games.. those site for me are provably fair..
for sports betting sportsbet.io and directbet.

AFAIK that site already been left long time ago and people dont mentioned it anymore. But mostlt people just follow other people reviews about thst scam site though. Let say bitstarz, they are not making some payment to anyone who hit big and then still many people are playing on their site too, more over they are making more promotions though. So what I mean here although we avoid that particular site doesnt mean that other people not playing it

I agree. I've seen 17 reds in a row betting with 50% winning chance and some people in the chat were telling that there could be as much as 25 reds if you are unlucky enough. And all of that has nothing to do with the honesty of a site because the site is provably fair, that's just bad luck that's all. Of course you can avoid all gambling sites, maybe it's better for you, but you shouldn't make false accusations.

Bitstarz ? Recently I have received a mail from them stating I got some free rolls for their slots games. But I need to activate some games which are eligible with those free rolls. I was in plan to contact their support for this purpose. But now decided not to do, just a waste of time.

I've also seen some bad alleGAtion to that site and i don't want to play on those site who is new to my knowledge and doesnt got enough good feedbacks to their community, thats why i would go rather to those big gambling sites so i can make sure that im not wasting my time and money on them, and its better to be more vigilant rather than feel sorry later, lets be wise and avoid being ignorant for scam schemes.

Basically Satoshidice is having major issues according to their thread. Its under new management and support is non-existent and withdraws are very slow and delayed because their hot wallet is always empty. Take caution with that site. And there are also ongoing issues with 999dice however I think that most have already stopped using that site due to the way they handle their provavly fair system.

i think before we decide to playing gambling in any gambling site, we should read about the other gamblers recommended, which site is good and still paying the winner, which site is not good and should avoid. but you have great jobs to make a list on here so we can know what the good site and not good site. but for me, i am not having any trouble when i am playing gambling with any sites.

Best way to find this sites is to look at the posts and disputes about sites.
Sometimes cheating is very hard to detect i would say any site that don't tell how they calculate probably fair systems should be avoided.

Well i am totally agree with you that before working on any gambling site we have t o read or find the users review about that site, this can save our money and time as well and may be if we invest and our money will suck there on site so we have to follow few things before investing on any site.

I really read some reviews and watch some sites before playing because that would be our helpfull indicator that the site we are playing on is safe and we can assure to have a fair play, we can see some thread polls to see some better result and who are the site had shaddy reputation and so by that we can think twice and avoid those bad site who are cheaters.

you will lose your money at some point of time in all the gambling sites... initially you may make money.. but over a period of time, you will lose.. this is the fact and you have to accept it...

These days lots gambling website have been getting started, but most website have been found legit without much scams. There are sites which has given access to fiat and digital currency in the same website. Better go through different websites and find by yourself a trusted website and start using it.

This remind me of my pharmacist friend that went into trading(forex and binary option), when he wiped out his entire capital, come up with a frustrated story that his broker is a scammer. I believe that most of us did not study risk and reward before venture into gambling, you either loss or win Mr.

That site is well known for scams and they have fake bets too ( to look like a reputed site with tons of wager ) while I have won there but the nature of site is very sketchy and I would never recommend to anyone.
I think Op has lostsome serious amounts in sites like rollin and hence he is making some baseless accusations, but anyways the only sites I trust for dice games are bitsler, PD, bitdice and crypto-games (a bit).

dont bet on bitstarz that site is a scam a guy here in bitcointalk won like 12 btc i think and bitstarz didnt even send them the btc and he is not only the one get scammed there also a guy got scammed for 1 btc and they didnt even break any TOS in their site

You should know the risks in playing gambling site.
But, thanks for the information here of  what betting
sites to avoid. Also, before we played in gambling site
lets do some research and read some feedback on what
betting sites is good to play with.

Bitstarz is a scam site, so do btc-casino.io, pocketdice, and so forth.

I have been in the online gaming business for more than 10 years. One thing I know for certain is that there is no need for the casinos to cheat you. The house edge guarantees long term profitability. I've seen super lucky players and unlucky ones. Players who run up the balance to 30-40k or more happens often. The opposite it true.

Any bias for or against the player can be exploited. That's why fairness is so important. Any deviation means the players can exploit the system.

those site you've mentioned got so shaddy reputation and i cant take a risk to play at them, thats why we should avoid they are dishonest to their players thats why we cant trust them also, but totally bitstarz is totally a fuck off site and just readback few threads here and you can actually see that bad claims from different people posted at their.

They will always get profit for sure but in a long term and some of them want quick money though so they attempt to scam everyone just by doing it. The real and clear situation will be like many people invest on their site and when people want to divest their money and it has some problems, after that your money gone forever. Fairness always play in huge role but if this is about taking away your money and run away how fair that site is will bo nothing

yes agreed with you that basically the casinos not offering you the profit and if there is a person losing huge money in the particular casinos don't mean those casinos cheating but i think to avoid cheat casinos people should be do some research and find the feedback

Therefore this statement of yours is just a reminders to all bitcoin gamblers isn't? and according what you had said once the player start to play He/She is already in a cage of trap, sounds like that. But thanks for the information this is a big help for us.

satoshidice.com suddenly turned out as an investor scam with over $500,000 defrauded + account balances magically disappeared in the height of some 100s Bitcoins: SatoshiDice Investor Scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1758269.0)

Please people - be conscious and aware that there are really scam sites out there. Please don't invest hastily. Before you are even going to invest, know the level of risk that you are going to take and ask yourself that you are ok with it if things go wrong.

That right, we must be aware on the recent news and that would not be possible if without the passion of the members of the community here who are very much willing to help us and the community as a whole. If they can scam players then we can expect investors lose more..

Just be careful all the time because after they lose the reputation of their site, they can easily make another one to do the same purpose.

Also important to note that the publicly proven Betcoin.ag scam! (https://game-protect.com/betcoin-ag-scam/) is in free fall on Alexa Global Rank recently, -63%!

Let us talk about a Bitcoin poker room in free fall, betcoin.ag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1788234.0)

Thanks for reminding on this one regarding on the issues of Betcoin.ag but i think you are spreading too much the information all over and over again. Regarding with the issues on that site i dont know if its been settled or not and with this thread im surprised about satoshimines become scam. :o

My few posts about betcoin.ag is too much in your opinion? How about the 1000s of posts from the 70 signature campaign members?

Hmmm i dont know whats their plan since they are still operating and still running their signature campaign which means all goes fine. Why cant you just contact him regarding with the issues you have with them?

In free fall recently and CUT, CUT, CUT motto means all goes fine?

I have no issue with them and just warn and inform the community about this scam.

It totally depends on the community if they would listen or not to you and as far as i know theres already posted in scam accusation to warn the public already. If player decides to play again on there then they are responsible if they lose something as long we do warn them about this.

Of course, it depend on the community if they want to play there or not. I only inform them, so that they had at least the chance to know what is going on.

But it does not only depend on the community! I have seen a lot of signature campaign members actively promote betcoin.ag with false and misleading statements in their posts. And it is important to avoid such a shady behaviour.

There are pretty much numerios sites to avoid and many of them are coming online everyday so its hard to catch all of them.

For example, this guy
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1666167.0

Most likely the scammer admin for that Rollin website, has shut down his 2nd website since he was caught using the same wallet as the previous website. Most likely he will launch another website pretty soon with a different name and scam people again.

Oh no thats very disapointing to those affected people scammed by this rollin website. How can we sense if that new site they are opening is the previous who victimized lot of people, and yet more betting sites were anonymous of their names. I think we must be more vigilant to don't trust new betting sites coming out specially these days while bitcoin is so high of price value, they will become more agressive in scamming people, those who are unrighteous peoples.

Thank you for the info!

Can you please write a short summary of this case and how he was caught using the same wallet as the previous website? I will add crazybtrade then to the Warnings section (https://game-protect.com/online-gambling-scams/) on Game Protect website.

I have seen that Bitcoin.ag has already had a red tag for a long time and they still have many members participating in their campaign. That is totally weird. In my opinion, everyone joins this campaign should be tag red trust by trusted member since they are promoting scam casino. However, there is nothing happen. Maybe it is true that bitcoin.ag is still legit

I don't have an idea but it should be betcoin.ag mate. Though I'm not a player to their site, I guess they are still playing.

The only case with them is that they changed their terms and agreement upon having a bit time winner and they denied to pay it.

But still we should avoid it.

To clarify this, maybe take a look at here: What's wrong with Betcoin.ag? Here's a list. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.0)

I think that mostly we can find out whether the site is good by the trust of the author of the official casino's OP. If that is not enough, we  can go to scam accusations thread. It is also better to avoid new casinos with unconfirmed payments, because newbies could not have recieved negative trust yet but this doesn't mean the site is not a scam. For example, hcoinloto gives you the sum in equivalent of 50$ (you can't withdraw it) to try their lottery. And every hous there are people who won but no payments confirmed and no escrow.

Better to just play to online casinos that have many players and are established in the market already. Don't ever take chances and risk to sites that are not known yet and just wait if there will be reviews and many players that will play on that site in the near future.

If we go to vegas you will find many casinos, and the one that makes you feel most comfortable will be a good choice! the same goes for online! sure the owner or dev or whoever runs the place is also to justifiably be considered but if you dont like the lag or the graphics or the games then its kinda obvious to use your mouse and click till you find a place to call home!

Asking for ID after you win a decent amount is shitty af. Even when I send my ID some websites still require more information and it becomes pretty annoying to deal with them. Thats why I check every gambling site before I start playing there now.

FanoBet also asks you for ID after you win a nice amount and try to withdraw.

Really? I never encountered online bitcoin casino sites that require ID for their players. But maybe I am wrong because I never won that big bitcoin before but I don't really think so. I have friends on primedice that earn lots there but they are not required an ID to withdraw. Maybe you are playing with online casinos that require fiat money to bet.

Sorry we are here talking about online gambling sites instead of real casinos if we want to gamble on a real casino, I think we do not have to worry about it because we certainly will be paid if we win. It's different with online gambling sites, we must carefully to choose before playing in one of the site.

Betting sites that have a large user base (and bankroll) can't afford to scam users for a small amount.
Every gambling site in long run profits with the house edge.
You can try any but always deposit your money to the trusted gambling sites.

I am talking about betting, not casino.
Fanobet has option to deposit BTC but if you win a bigger amount they'll refuse to withdraw your money until you send them ID and sometimes they want to be even more annoying by requiring you to send them a picture of your ID with a note saying fanobet n some sh*t.

i was very specific with the site name.
i said rollin.io will demand your id if you win an amount they term reasonable amount. my question is why not ask you for id when you deposit.
rollin is shitty period

rollin has done this to a couple of guys. . i will advice you avoid them

Basically alot of small or medium type of sites try to enforce this after you try and make a withdraw. Apparently they protect themselves because they include a clause in the terms and agreements so there is nothing you can do. Because after all, when you joined you apparently read and agreed to the terms and agreements.

Some times also try and get away with it by saying that if you send a deposit from 1 address, you must send the withdraw back to the same deposit address or else they need KYC.

Thanks for the information. It is a good idea to research before you play,
it would also help me on deciding to play or avoid for now.

how's max profit linked to site's provably fair system. Max profit is some % of the site's balance so if someone wins big its easy to get that max profit down. Do you even know what a provably fair system is?

Well I guess that's totally a dirty tactics as what I had observed for this statement about the site who tried to do scam tricks. That fair system is not totally agreeable, because betting sites was just aiming for higher profit for their own personal purpose for money and not focused on those players who is their customers. If those credentials been asked, then comply the requirements and nothing will be a problem for that as long as they will send your winnings; that would be awesome.

I would avoid any site that you are not able to verify it's provably fair system.(I am talking about casino games/ dice games, and not about sportsbook where the house doesn't decide if you lose or you win).

If the site doesn't offer you a system/ way to make sure that it is a provably fair and it won't rig your funds, I would stay away from such a site at any price.

In the past till directed stopped their service I used the particular gambling website. Right now I have been into bitdice and nitrogenbet.eu, which were legitimate with their services. So it's good for individual users to go through the different gambling websites and find the best.

Do you have any proof on this?

I don't think rollin will put their reputation on stake for that 1 bitcoin win. They are trusted by many and I have even played there for many times in past.

It's not easy to win 1 bitcoin let's suppose if now a days 1 bitcoin was easy to earn then everybody will love to earn so i mean it is no serious to earn 1 bitcoin easily for that it will take more than 1 month to earn.