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If you have any GPUs that aren't profitable for ETH, we would appreciate some volunteer miners to help with testing another alternative to the current Ethereum HF options.

Perma is a clean slate ethereum clone. It has no initial allocation or state and an aggressive block reward decay.

Perma will launch when Ethereum hard-forks: its genesis block contains Ethereum's hard fork block hash.

It would be great if every miner paying attention to the HF debate were aware of this option. Ideally there would be multiple pools so a miner could split their hash power and not be left out during liftoff.

We are waiting for the Tempa1 network to materialize. Donate some hash power, for science!

https://github.com/permaledger/perma
https://github.com/permaledger/go-perma


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I'm in MrComputerCodes.  :)

So my ETH paper wallets will also be PERMA wallets that contain my ETH but as PERMA?

No, this is a fresh reset with no initial allocation or state at all. I edited the OP for clarity.

When I try to "make geth"


Will I be able to cpu-mine this in virtual machine?

You have to install GO

I give 100 mhs ;)

You need to install Go: golang.org

Hopefully not. Ethereum is dominated by GPU farms at the moment.

$SHF, $EXP, $SOIL & $KR are all fresh Ethereum instances. I already own them all. I am not happy about having to get another Ethereum clone. I would rather see more community joining existing coins over making new ones. I will for sure mine some of this though. "Aggressive block reward decay" sounds really good for early miners.

Sounding like a true Bitcoin... i mean Etherium Marximalist

 ;D

But I will mine some of this just for fun. Are you?

is there an official HF date yet??

Yes, it will benefit the early miners and early buyers. Think of it as a proof-of-burn distribution away from Ethereum, not as an attempt to make a "fair" distribution.

Looks good, will add a pool upon launch

when is the eth hardfork?

We don't know yet, we are having trouble coordinating a HF spec. The deadline is about 37 days, when the attacker would be able to create transactions which would make recovery impossible.

Looks good, now just to learn more about mining on ETH clones.

willing to try... i was already looking for something else to mine. i'll try this one and see how it goes.

Im in. Ill have 2 gpus allocated to mining this at least on HF

It's exactly the same as for Ethereum. Just connect to the right network.


As an aside, I posted some musings on the hard fork here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1540966

I like this idea. Will it be maintained appropriatley? Also the soldity bugs will they be ironed out?

intersting and looks cool,yeah this is a good idea,, im in

Thin ANN. More Details?

how to mine.

Seriously? The guy who has strong moral opposition to the now defunct soft fork solution for Eth is morally fine with yet another ETH clone with "aggressive" initial distribution (aka insta mine).


If by maintained properly you mean, insta mined and dumped at first possible chance on exchange sure!

standing by

Moralism and opportunism aren't mutually exclusive, first of all.

Your subjective moral judgement is a pretty far reach, secondly.

I think it's complementary for oc to dissociate himself from ETH for moral reasons, and dedicate the resources and experience he used to support his ETH pool to a project like Perma that directly bases itself on the direction a lot of people think ETH *should* have taken. I suggested he take a look at Perma in fact. No idea whether he took my suggestion or found the project on his own, but he already supports ETH clones KR and EXP with mining pools, as well as any altcoin in general he thinks would be worth pool-mining on launch.

It's just weird to me that you point the finger of moral judgement in the cryptocurrency scene, especially without seeming to know the full picture.

Moral judgement aside, you really think alot of ppl believe Eth should have been insta mined?

I can see how you'd see it as instamining. But if I understand the project correctly, it's about creating a viable alternate ETHlike chain immediately, not coddling for fair distribution. Your basis for comparison is out of whack. Perma doesn't have to emulate ETH's history before the hardfork, only what comes after. Choosing to mine or support Perma has nothing to do with opinions on how ETH should have started.

I think front-loading the earliest block rewards is the best course of action considering the project's intentions to create a legitimate new ETH fork. How else do you attract PoW mining network security in the fastest way possible?

so one hell of instamine for linux user? unsure why ocminer and notso fall for this.

I've listened to a lot of feedback, and the number one concern is indeed the instamine feeling given by the block reward schedule.

I still think my initial arguments win out over any sort of claims to it not being "fair" (I like things that aren't fair, they call me Mr Unfair Man), however, there is a new argument in favor of slowing the distribution down (and possibly kicking off the chain on a slightly different condition):

The ETH hard fork is a total clusterfuck. They might not pull it off.

I think there is strong overlap between those who would mine on this chain and those who would mine on the original ETH fork. If I had to choose between Perma and a legitimate unforked ETH, I'd pick the latter.

The schedule will still be "aggressive" relative to all other POW-only distributions I'm aware of. I was considering stretching the undistributed half-life from 6 weeks to something like 20 or 24 weeks.

I will make a few other bug fixes and have a new proposed schedule, then start tempa2 test network and post again.

https://github.com/ethereumclassic/README/issues/5

I have changed my mind about the likelihood of a "proper" ethereum classic fork. I will be spending my time on this, and revisiting the Perma option if there is too much chaos

how can  i mine perma ? İs it only possible in testnet now ?

Anyone want to sell me 0.05 BTC of this coin.