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Congrats to all the ETH and DAO community for not letting the haters sway their opinion. Let us not forget that ETH and the DAO are not BTC and have never pretended to be so when the great Ethereum community pulls together to vote decisively for a hard fork it is clear that ETH has safe guards against wide scale thefts. Unlike Bitcoin. If you were ever on the fence about purchasing ETH then now is the time to jump in at this current low price.

#TogetherWeAreETH.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/ethereum-reaches-unanimous-agreement-hardfork/

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/cryptocurrency-reverse_damaging-blockchain-heist-fails-to-deter-innovators/42280878

Wow 2% of the ETH voted and that is supposed to be mandate  ???


Even if 100% had voted, my reaction would remain as follows...

Long live fiat! Hurray!

This is absolutely momentous day for it validates everything I am have been working on¹.

1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1319681.msg15137236#msg15137236 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1413819.msg15507348#msg15507348

I don't see price soaring...

Also, I think this is the dumbest thing they could ever do. It goes against all they claimed the DAO would be and it will put a large piece of bought ether for DAO directly on the market.

Would they fork if my project lost "just" 10k ether due to a fault? No. They shouldn't do it now either.

I was pro fork at first but then I realized just how much they violate the principles of a blockchain.. I think Ethereum is in trouble.

Maybe they could make sure it's impossible to HF again to bring legitimacy back..?

Finally we can move on!

Nope. There is no moving on from violating the only reason we even want block chains— which is that we don't have to trust anyone that our contracts will be honored.

Put it to a community vote and see if you get consensus to get your ETH back. If you do then fine you can get it back.

I've said it everytime a coin forks because of exploit, never been wrong yet, and it will remain true til the end of time. If you don't learn from others mistakes, you deserve the hole you dig

Congrats. You just killed your own 'coin'

Good that we have different opinions. It doesn't mean you are right though, nor i.

Agreed. The disgusting vile FUD that's been spread by the haters has been pathetic. If you don't hold ETH you don't get a say in how it's run so why spread FUD? The ETH community has spoke in a landslide consensus.

It is not FUD. It is just our opinion of the point of block chains. Those who agree with you that block chains should be permissioned ledgers like a fiat system or Paypal, will stay with ETH.

But as others are pointing out to you, violating the raison d'être of block chains is very likely to cause you to lose most of the community support. You'll only be left with idiots, R3 bankers, and the whales who've been allegedly pumping this token by manipulating the float on Poloneix and Krakan.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Doesn't mean yours is correct. But I will forward your concerns on to the relevant department.

Anyone involved in Ethereum have repeatedly pointed out to you all that it is not Bitcoin.

How many more times does it need to be repeated to you until it sinks in?

I was being facetious. Sorry it needed pointed out.

Freudian slip, because you were actually telling the truth for a change.

I know what I wrote and the purposes of writing it. You however don't.

It's strange that you care so much for something you proclaim to hate. Classic troll.

Together we have broken the social contract of Ethereum and made a mockery of the central banking ledgers we were attempting to replace!

I don't think ETH bagholders ought to start licking each others' popsicles just yet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4rv6k5/ethereum_reaches_unanimous_agreement_to_hardfork/

It's not a done deal until it's a done deal.  Best of luck...but I will watch this one with no skin in the game. 

Well nice you got a fraction of the community to vote and called it unanimous which means 100% btw not most thats a majority!  You dont even have that!

Seriously ETH no longer has a reason to exist.  Its finished.

Smart contracts are now very obviously flawed and easy to hack due to problems in the base code.  So no point in those.

As for the coin itself well the blockchain is now totally and utterly compromised so even its worthless as you have proven a few large holders have the ability to remove anyones coins with a hardfork and the community considers it a good idea.

If you have a bag of ETH or DAO tokens i suggest you offload before the crash

Nope, it's very correct. Not all opinions are equal, and if you disagree with me on this, yours is shit. This is not opinion; I don't care whether it crashes or not, but it will  ;)

To OP, what you didn't understand in the following statements?


HardFork= https://0.s3.envato.com/files/38938444/end%20title%20590.jpg

Congratulations you essentially have now established the legacy banking system.

A precedent has been set for ETH now.

If you ever have ETH stolen or hacked, just do a HARD FORK.

I would say they just look like clowns as they are "acting" like they will replace legacy banking but then resorting to the same policies that legacy banking employs that is corrupt and broken at all levels.

lets talk about that in a year or so. nobody will care.
there will be other coins, other so called smart contracts. and yes eth will be there to. but almost nobody will talk about the hard fork.

the crypto-coin earth spins very fast.

Just like almost no one talks about Dash's instamine after 2.5 years later?

I think we will agree to disagree. The hardfork here will be talked about for as long as ETH is around.

Just over $10 is "soaring" ?  :D

Your a fucking liar.. it was already at that exact price lately.

People this guy WORKS for the ETHEREUM FRAUD TEAM.

He is a fucking liar period .

Yea but ETH haters now will have good argument to argue in fact that ETH is truly decentralized currency while BTC is.
That situation have its + and - . For big investors its more stability, people will invest more in ETH like company shares than
digital currency,money. ETH can rise up again and that situation can even deter more "hackers" from doing good exploit bug hunt.
Anyway ETH was always centralized around their core dev team so lets drop that fasade and move on.

A lot of talk about an obvious scam that is going to die in no time.
To me it feels like people need that drama and excitement that a public face winning and failing has, instead of watching a math algo running on it's own. Maybe watch a TV series instead?

I'm sure there are enough skilled people in here to make use of a sucky chain and write some pool to pay for some amazon deep bot farm that generates penguin avatars holding a Kalashnikov and posts some funny comments on currencies.

This is a completely misleading article. (crypto coin news article).

https://twitter.com/ICOcountdown/status/751502155144687620

And even if it did soar, it would be totally crazy! That simply means the "investors" do so willingly taking away money from "The Attacker" or anybody else they feel doesn't deserve it.

I couldn't agree more. Ether was doomed the moment people "invested" in a smart contract they didn't understand. The DAO was doomed because of this, and Ethereum was doomed because smart contracts where the only promise they have to be "special".

If you want a central authority to protect you from your own stupidity, go to a bank, they are backed by governments.

I really hope "The Attacker" is going to sue them over this. I'm very curious to see what comes out of this lawsuit.

I wonder why people would put their money in something they don't even know what it is.

They don't care what it is.  They put their money in simply because they thought they would be able to later sell it for more.

It's called the Greater Fool Theory.

Coinmarketcap as at 22:07 GMT

ETH UP 24Hr 13%
DAO UP 24hr 18%

Consensus wins. People like HF.

Why you BTC shills care so much to spend sooo much time trying to spread your lies and FUD over hard facts. It really is strange that you care to hate. Suspicious even.

Like the attacker would show themselves. Get a grip you fool. The FUD is strong in you.

Nice one. I really don't care what the reason is, but when you change the rules during the game you are already game over. It is against everything Bitcoin has been invented for.

Exactly! Ethereum is not Bitcoin. How obvious for something that comes out years later under completely different conditions.

FFS

ETH <> BTC
BTC <> ETH

Get over it.

Bitcoin 2.0^tm

Do I need to repeat my post?

Of course, the fork will get done...VB and crew want it since they invested. It will be interesting to see if the bail out people dump their ETH after or not. Where was my do-over when I got goxxed?...oh right Bitcoin does not fork for third party screw ups.

Probably will make it go even higher. I can not figure out the market cap as-is.

Pre-mined
VB runs the coin/network
Forked for third party screw up
Unlimited supply
Going to be PoS


It is truly an enigma! Any other coin would have pumped/dumped and gone by now...

Only because cap is so high, too many delusional investors holding onto pipe dream. Unfortunately they will be the last to leave and will lose the most.

This could just be the move some people in crypto have been waiting for.  And I don't mean that in a positive sense.  But we'll see what happens, the plot's twists and turns have yet to reveal itself.

We are entirely focusing on Ethereum that we forgot there's a big piece in the puzzle that needs attention.  Who and where is the attacker, and what are his plans? 

First they create a smart contract that I'm sure was vetted by Ethereum foundation notables. Especially since many of them were curators and invested in the DAO.
Then they come up with a soft fork and quickly figure out that the attacker could spam the network, so empty blocks could go on for days or weeks.
Now they are going to do a hard fork? With the way things have been playing out lately, I'm not very confident that they won't screw it up. I better go to the store and buy some more popcorn. This will be quite the show.

One time only, we promise. ;)

You just have to make sure the devs are also invested and you get a guaranteed do-over!

what people think of this. A possible catastrophe avoided with built in smart contract safeguards.

All these envious persons , watch ETH do everything your faecescoin cant :D

No matter which side of the debate you're on, a person needs to laugh a little at the fact that Kraken utilized thier customers ETH to influence the vote. Wonder if they asked everyone's permission.

http://etherscan.io/tx/0xc165ab5726c66bb3db50544981f20d143b46a3e990d7b424dbf81d5070dd6278

Bankers doing what bankers do. No surprise we already knew it was all centralized anyway.

This is a classic example of  the fundamental weakness of proof of stake. There is no way for the blockchain to tell who is the beneficial as opposed to the nominal owner of the coins.

Edit: The economic crisis of 2008 was due to a large degree to the very same weakness in fiat banking. 

You are a liar and i bet you seen my many topics around here commenting on the price lately.
It has not moved (it's hovered between $10.00 & $10.50 for a week or so)
..yet you say it's soaring.

THAT IS COLOSSAL MONUMENTAL DECEIT DESIGNED TO TRICK PEOPLE HERE

Of course i can prove it and back up my mouth it's sitting in my post history
..as i quoted the price lately.

As usual you are a liar and a fraud and are only here to scam us with ETH ICO fuel tokens.

You do realize if you said something honest for once i would ignore your comment(s) right ?
I HAVE to speak up when you post lies here preying on people for money (REAL money)
I also have already pointed out a bunch of commentary from you that was deliberately dishonest
for a clear cut financial agenda.
It's one thing to lie about how big your penis is and another..
When you come here and post "Rumor has it big banks are buying shitloads of ETH to use it"
Or saying after the DAO attack, ETH will be $100 a coin
I could go on and on with examples.

That is not FUD.
That is you lying your ass off and crying FUD for bucks $$

You are a fraud .

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EDIT:
I feel i should speak up too because you don't stop.
You have spammed the living fucking shit out of this forum section with your scammy ETH Fraud.
Once you are exposed *again*
You will of course wait a bit then try again.  ::)

Don't you just love bail outs?

To new users, it should say something when Legendary and hero's speak out against something suspicious.





Bullshit, this is a COMMUNITY problem at large, not just with Eth. You claim that eth isnt BTC, yet promote it as a crypto currency, standing on the shoulders of giants in order to continue to promote what is increasingly seen as grandiose plans but garbage at the end of the day (multiple times in history). Your greed allows to buy you rose colored glasses inevitably unable to see the vast ramifications of this hard fork and the ramifications this will propagate. Or worse yet, you see it yet dont care. I am becoming increasingly pissed in how this is handled, from stern yet polite, to angry.

I already made a statement about this, and you can read it here (which you wont, because either you are either a bought shill or someone so heavily invested that its against your best interests to do so)

http://freepdfhosting.com/6047c65a73.pdf

Picked up by some news orgs

TheVerge: http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/21/11985832/ethereum-cryptocurrency-dao-theft-fork-buterin
Bitcoinist: http://bitcoinist.net/litecoin-assoc-director-opposes-the-dao-fork-in-open-letter/


This hard fork is unprecedented, and shows how much your "leader" has failed as a leader. The amount of conflict of interest is monumental, and his failure of leadership is disgusting. The simple fact that the promotion that he and his team has done with unreliable software, failing to heed experts in other disciplines (because god forbid, someone with knowledge outside software engineering has a point), is disturbing and tantamount to get rich quick scheme.

Troll, shill, or other, you have no point and I will shut your ass down faster than 186,000 miles per second. So please, respond back to me, I look forward to it.


Lastly dont forget, The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks

lol the same approach as the debt ceiling in the USS of A?

Perfect example of useless rant.

Indeed. I read 2 lines then filed it under the usual FUD alongside Spoetniktards. I have an ETH bag like I have a BTC bag so I couldn't care less for their BTC shilling.

The title is misleading. Nobody ever said or directly-indirectly implied such a stupid thing u wrote in the OP. The hardfork was proposed for consideration by eth crew and doesnt mean theyre wiling to proceed with the implementation until the definitive consensus is reached. They neither said nor officially-unofficially implied that this boat should swim where loudly chanting dao bagholder wants. U do ur fucking DD and read what was posted on the slock blog:

From this point on, it is up to the developers of each Ethereum client to integrate the hardfork specifications, and ultimately for the community to adopt the hard fork if and only if consensus is reached.

Going further this road may raise another yet unanswered question: how about the voting quorum? What the fuck, how come a carbon ballot http://carbonvote.com/ make any sense to this when it has been said and repeated many times that hardfork would pass only when its consented to pass by 95% of miners.

Mostly people simply dont care to vote, like myself, since i know it doesnt matter. I voted on pools when there was a vote for soft fork, but i wont vote on every obscure site thats starting a vote. However i support and i will upgrade to HF client. There are many reasons for people to fud, and i understand them : 1.daytraders, fud when they want to buy, praise / shut up when they want to sell.
2. BTC bagholders (or shitcoin holders, like smooth) fearing a rival. @Smooth, sorry darling, but monero has such a bad crypto name it doesnt even worth checking out. I'd rather invest in Coynie west.
3. Jealous people.
So which one are you guys ?

Obviously Im opposed to hardfork as an effective practice to bailout tards that lost money investing in the shortlived token. Its not even absurdish thats plain stupid and will drown the prices further to the underworld if idiotic devs dont back off and drop their last proposal

But helping them getting their money back isnt a bailout so if you didnt know this ill forgive you. Personally, i care more about not allowing a thief go away with stolen money rather than helping people getting their money back. But if they get the money back and the thief is not allowed to get away then its a double win.
And its already proven that the "idiotic proposal" won't drown the price further since its stable at 10$+ and increasing, while everything that happened pointed out that a hardfork will happen. Actually the HF news itself is increasing the price at the moment since people know the period of uncertainty will be over soon and the price will slowly rise back to 20$ , wether or not the HF will pass or not.

Come on now guys, Walmart loves rollbacks, they're decentralized right?

Natty, can you twerk ?

I agree with this totally. I think the Ethereum price will go to $50 in the next few months if HF is successful.

LOL well have to agree with that. It does depend where the Bank is located or does business (In this case crypto-exchange). For example if Gemini tried to do the same thing with their customers ETH they would be subject to losing their bitcoin license.

"(c) Each Licensee is prohibited from selling, transferring, assigning, lending, hypothecating, pledging, or
otherwise using or encumbering assets, including Virtual Currency, stored, held, or maintained by, or under the
custody or control of, such Licensee on behalf of another Person except for the sale, transfer, or assignment of
such assets at the direction of such other Person."

Edit: No matter what you think of this type of regulation, it at least attempts to ensure ethical behaviour by the exchange. Perhaps this explains one of the reasons behind some exchanges not wanting to function in New York.

Why do people keep calling it a thief? "The Attacker" simply followed the "smart" contract. In fact, he was the only person who actually understood the contract! And the contract itself states that the contract's code is binding, there is no other interpretation possible.
A hard fork on the other hand, that is actually theft. Which is why I am very curious to see a lawsuit about this.

Theres no thief, u ass... dao conflagration threatens to take the oddments of ur brain with it.


^ This is Brilliant.

U gotto get a nobel prize for this sentence alone. Its not an argument, not even a strawman argument. What u wrote is bunch of words in random order.


See. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion)

My only question is if the attacker exploits another smart contract and steals millions again, will Vitalik do another hard fork again? If no, why did they do it the first time?

The reason for the hard fork and therefore bailing the DAO out might be that probably some eth whales and Ethereum developers are heavily invested in that crap!
Just wow!What a presedence!
It's just a question of time before this alt is going down.The decision which has been made is against all what decentralized blockchains stand for.
Welcome to proof of Vitalik!What a scam!

That, sir, is a rhetorical question.

So much for unanimous (https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/ethereum-reaches-unanimous-agreement-hardfork/).... As if 2.77% of all ether could quantifiably be a consensus.

Also please note the name of the forum all respondents to this thread are on. BITCOINTALK.ORG not Ethereum or any other shitcoin. If you really think so poorly of Bitcoin WTF are you doing here? As if you are some bible thumping prostitute needing to cloud minds of others by peddling the same logic/choices that clouded your own judgments in the first place.



http://i65.tinypic.com/30djj9l.png

I can answer this. Every idiot out there knows that there was no "attacker" and slockit and ethereum crew themselves drained each and every single token from the dao letting "investors" and morons who make uniformed guesses deal with failed and toppled big business policies and bear the consequences of a subsequent meltdown in the markets, is this clear enough?

I don't fall under any of your categories. I tried theDAO and was introduced to Ethereum as a necessity. I quickly discovered that both theDAO and Ethereum were unpalatable. I'm glad that I regurgitated these tokens back to the market a few days before the attack. No, I won't be crying later, either. I don't care if the Ether market is pumped up to the next galaxy. I am not a dog, so I will not be returning to my own vomit.

He's not doing any fork. They can only make proposals, and its up to miners to decide wether or not the proposal will pass. If something, somehow is exploited and a small amount of money is lost, i wouldnt go with the fork to fix it. But if its a very large amount of money, i would.
For example if somehow you made a mystake or someone exploits your contracts and you lose 10k ether, no one will care. But if youre a well intended guy and you lose 10mil ether to a single entity, then i will vote for HF not only for you to recover your money, but to not allow an ill intended person to harm the project itself.

From what I have seen demonstrated so far, most of the smart contracts on Ethereum are buggy because the Solidarity language is basically gibberish. Only the most crudely written contracts have any chance of working correctly.

Calm down cowboy, if u moved ur butt eyeballs back to face which u sure as hell wont ever do coz u dont see it (lmao), u would see (https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4rn6wq/carbonvotecom_vote_for_or_against_the_hf_with) that the official announcement for carbon poll is from the official sub, and nobody has ever run the discussions of crucial importance on the bitcointalk. So its alright that all respondents are hanging out on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/) and official forums (http://forum.ethereum.org/).


Try not having intercourse with google translate when ur ass writes forum posts for u.

Try using English when responding, your simple minded comments show when you cannot be bothered to write full words.


http://i60.tinypic.com/ergbxj.gif

I agree. ETH is not Bitcoin. It has no value as money, therefore there is no value in it, therefore it has no sense to buy ETH.

People only respect $$$, and its clear thet ethereum community when they get chance to decide they will move and hype option which they think in short term will get them more $$$

No one there care about hard fork or anything, Vitalik is GOD for them as he play the ball and price move the way they like, is it soft fork, hard fork for the sake of personal interest NO ONE CARE!

The thing is, they're creating an incentive to invest only in the biggest contracts in the future, because no one bothers bailing out the small ones.

Nice read Mage, I'm always amazed that people just don't get this.


Anyone that knows anything about coding knows that a program can only be as smart as the programmer who wrote it.

FTFY

BTW, I made a funny in the LTC thread (just my way of subbing) and I don't think anyone got it. :P


Perfect example of no logical argument to respond with. Your about 1 post away from ignore.


Although we are on opposite sides of the debate you have made a valid point. :)


It is no different than what bankers and lawyers and accountants do all day long, they thrive by gaming the system and most of what they do is legal (although unethical) and if it isn't legal they lobby to make it so.

I personally would like to see the "Fund holder" in the current contract to further the cause of financial liberty for all with the windfall but either way he gamed a system within the rules set forth and is thereby entitled to the rewards. I'm not arguing it's fair but neither is life. If life was fair Trump would be destitute on the street.


Correct, I attempted to find a better description and settled on "Fund Holder" in context but I am sure there is a better descriptive term that just has not come to mind. I guess we could just call him the DAO Winner. :D


I think in the future I will be referring to ETH as The ETH Token.

If eth will fork then it wont be a cryptocurrency/cryptoplatform. It'll be just a tool to make money for some top-leaders, esecially USD.
Ethereum network was not hacked and worked well. This hard-fork is a f**cking censorship which is unacceptable in crypto at all.

Maybe one of the reasons why the attacker did what he did?  I speculate something much deeper than stealing ETH in his agenda.   

for heaven's sake op!
i hardly think being deceiving about what's going on with the carbonvote will do eth any good! even if you have best intentions!
only ~4% of the eth have voted & that is 14% against (as of now)!!! those number are faaar from "decisive."

the fact is that at its peak dao had a market cap ~15-18% of ethereum;
once shit hit the fan most eth investors, who were not involved with dao, just washed, brushed & went their merry way.

by all means i do believe eth goes on; but being unrealistic about what's what isn't gonna help anyone/anything!

When will the hardfork start and how will it take?

not sure if the op is trolling or serious, but thanks for the entertainment.
dont worry, the burn will go away in a few yeas and you will learn to invest

Some information:
http://www.econotimes.com/Ethereum-community-supports-hardfork-solution-234038

well, with or without hardfork eth will slow bleed from now on... they should have voted with their minds and not with their wallets, without hardfork eth would probably recover at some point but with the hardfork i hardly doubt.

Without hard fork, the Etheruem is dead. With hard fork, there is a chance that the Etheruem will recover.

Whatever you say Einstein.

Dead
http://cointelegraph.com/news/developer-claims-ethereum-is-stolen-intellectual-property-files-complaints-with-fbi

ROTFLMFAO! Priceless we need a Meme!

These types of news articles being posted all over various forums seem to be indicating a type of panic I haven't seen in crypto before. The vote that these articles are based on can be found here:

http://www.carbonvote.com/

Currently at the time of this post it shows that 2,793,817 ETH have voted yes for a hard fork and 453,245 have voted no. This out of a total number of ETH that exist at 81,885,148. The fact is only a small percentage of ETH have voted. The fact is the word unanimous means "without opposition; with the agreement of all people involved". Maybe rudimentary math skills and language skills are considered obsolete by some folks.  

The article also ignores  the fact that miners decide to adopt a hard fork (not voters).

A quality coin should not require deception to encourage adoption. This type of behaviour is damaging to cryptocurrency adoption in general.

On the contrary, the incentive is to invest in smaller contracts.
Nobody is going to fork/bail out those ones.

Why invest in something without the possibility of a bail-out by majority rule when the bail-out option is available?

The hardfork is going to happen:
Ethereum Hard Fork is Now Planned For 20th of July
http://cryptomining-blog.com/8108-ethereum-hard-fork-is-now-planned-for-20th-of-july/

Finally, found the date for the ETH FORK....THX FOR THE INFO

Also many service providers will support the longest chains. So it is better to stay with the longest chain.

According to certain statistics, most of the big pools will support the hard fork, so that could be a success.

The hard fork was a success, the price has rebounded from below $10 to $15. That was an increase about 50%.

The Ethereum price is quite stable after the hard fork if you combine the ETH and ETC, it is around $14.

The combined ETH and ETC price is still around $13 today. So the interest in the Ethreum is still high.

I think the ETC price might drop day after day until we know what the DAO hacker thinks about the situation.

We will never know what he thinks even if he says it. He may do quite the opposite, example : Ok guys, i hacked DAO and i got 10mil$. I will invest it into the development of etC: this would be treated as positive news and the price would increase. But then he would slowly dump, slow enough not to crash the price.

The ETC criminal coin will crash as the DAO attacker dumps. He will then buy ETH (remember this is the coin he was really after) which will pump the price of ETH to new levels.

ETC has never been 1/3 of ETH. And never will be. Live with it.

ETC has on several occasions been, both in terms of hash rate and price/market cap, 1/3 of ETH.

Source: http://slacknation.github.io/medium/13/13.html

And that's why you look so shocked and sad in the last three panels.   :D

Nope. I have equal amount ETH real Ethereum, and ETC criminal coin.

Whaaat?!?

Why do you help the criminal DAO attacker by hodling coins on the criminal branch?

Why do you not help virtuous Pope Vitalik by dumping ETC and buying more ETH?

You need to get rid of that stolen property immediately by selling your ETC right now, or you are as bad as the criminal!

Maybe you are waiting until ETC is once again 1/3 of ETH?  Don't worry, that should be very Soon!   8)

yeah, its great to see for me that the hard fork was kinda a mistake, there shouldnt be such things with a coin that is not supposed to be centralized, i hope they will learn from their mistkes

If Minecache is also holding ETC the it proves that they are scared that there is a chance that ETH could lose in this race. That is a good sign if you ask me. I encourage all ETH users to split their holdings and hold ETC also.

I am not helping any criminal because I'm not partaking in the market of the ETC criminal coin by buying or selling. My ETC criminal coins are essentially lost to the market.

You numbnuts I didn't buy the ETC criminal coin it was allocated to me for my ETH hodlings.

That is right. I had some Ethereum ETH before the hard fork, so I also own the same amount of the ETC.

If you really wanted your ETC to be "lost to the market" you would burn them.

By holding them rather than selling you decrease the supply, thus keeping the ETC price higher than it would be otherwise.

Thanks for helping the DAO attacker by supporting the ETC branch's value.

Yes. And it is not only you doing this. There are a host of others. So meaning that there is value in the original chain than what we really thought before. Not everyone will dump. Why would they when it has a chance to be sold at better prices.

It seems the EtheDev is selling.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4wovy2/ethdevs_moved_out_500k_etc/?st=irmbt6nz&sh=5460b12c

This is embarrassing. They are scared shitless that ETC takes over so they create all those FUD news about "dump incoming". Little they know that ETH is a dead project already.

We need the DAO hacker to tell us that he loves ETC and will not dump his coins and donate to developments.

The DAO hacker will not dump because dumping would reveal his position, then the exchange would pass this info to authorities. DAO hacker dump is FUD.

Tell me, what law did he break? Following a Smart Contract with "code is law" rules? I would be very interested to see that lawsuit develop.
The only ones who - in my opinion - did anything illegal are the ETH-founders who forked to safe their own money.

I am very interested in see the law suit against the Ethereum community. But maybe there is no ground. The hacker still has all the Ethereum.

Yes lets forget anything about a law suit against the DAO hacker. You know the one person who actually stole anything and created this shitpile. Let's forget about him, let him off, and focus on taking legal action against the gud guys. FFS you realise how tarded half of you ETC criminal coin supports sound?!? Do you really???

Yes, I do know Stephan Tual

Hopefully he reads this and sues your ass for libel. I've quoted your post so that you cannot delete it and tweeted it on to Stephan. Have fun.

I do not think Stephan Tual will care about that. Nobody will take that accusation serious to waste time here.

I think so. An accusation from anonymous person in the forum will not have any kind of influence to the community.

A public class action law suit against a poster posting blatant unfounded libellous lies would help stop the haters spreading their disgusting vile FUD though. I hope Stephan brings it on.

There are too many accusation on too many people in the various forums. It is difficult to pinpoint the exact person.

Due to the horrendous unfolding events that is the ETH saga and more information coming out by the day, he was most likely a part of or at least had great influence over the multiple failures of leadership the collective eth team exhibited that not only lead to a loss of peoples money, but potentially illegal activities (i.e. securities fraud disguised as an autonomous organization).

I'm not a random on some forum, feel free to pass this along and have your lawyers call mine.  :)

You are in luck, but only if by "brings it on" you actually meant "I hope Steve Tool pens a mea culpa on the Slock.it blog."

https://blog.slock.it/on-a-personal-note-from-stephan-tual-710f32e6eeb


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My favorite:

"We have learned that due to constraint in toolset and human limitations, it is very challenging to write smart contracts that are both complex in nature and 100% safe. Therefore, it’s fair to say that the discussion of any Ethereum-based project should be handled with the great care it deserves."

There are so many hurtful things I could say...

Let me help you


Maybe they shouldnt buy Facebook ad space in order to pump a not-so-smart contract.

These lies could get people to know the Ethereum and after study the ETH properly, they might love the ETH eventually.

That could be the reason why the Etheruem is so popular. The trading volume of Ethereum is higher than bitcoin some times.

The trading volume of Etheruem has reduced quite a lot recently. That is mainly because the Monero is more popular.

In fast, the trading volume has increased gradually. In Poloniex, it is about 14,000 now. The Monero is 11,000.

They have both dropped below 10,000. the Ripple has the highest trading volume at the moment.

The Monero is still the largest trading volume in the Poloniex. It seems it is the most popular coin at the moment.