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Title: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: PovertyByte on July 27, 2016, 08:48:34 PM
RX 470
http://videocardz.com/62642/amd-radeon-rx-470-to-launch-on-august-4th-rx-460-on-july-28th

Another page mentioning August 4th. And speculation about 8gb AIB's with faster speeds and more OC headroom than the RX480.... possibly faster and more efficient than a 480 for mining?
http://videocardz.com/62672/amd-radeon-rx-470-and-radeon-rx-460-official-specs-and-performance

There are already leaks of the Saphire RX470 so it is possible the custom 470's won't take too long to arrive.


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RX 480's, and they all use 8 pin connectors

Powercolor Red Devil
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/powercolor-radeon-rx-480-red-devil-edition-officially-announced.html
"it has Dual Bios one Ultra OC and one Silent, 1330Mhz Ultra / 1276Mhz Silent" (8gb)
The FE cards were 1266Mhz

Saphire Nitro+
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3098825/components-graphics/sapphire-nitro-rx-480-review-polaris-rethought-and-refined.html
1342mhz (8gb)


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: ps_jb on July 27, 2016, 10:36:18 PM
I think (and Phil also) that aftermarket 480 will be around fall semester starts. Which is ~19-20th of August


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: PovertyByte on July 27, 2016, 10:43:55 PM
I think (and Phil also) that aftermarket 480 will be around fall semester starts. Which is ~19-20th of August

You can already find the Saphire 480's on Amazon, but not for sale yet


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: ps_jb on July 27, 2016, 10:52:26 PM
I think (and Phil also) that aftermarket 480 will be around fall semester starts. Which is ~19-20th of August

You can already find the Saphire 480's on Amazon, but not for sale yet

Are these aftermarket ones?


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: philipma1957 on July 27, 2016, 11:04:13 PM
newegg had  an aftermarket  powercolor listed this morning  but as an auto notify .

it is no longer listed.


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: ps_jb on July 27, 2016, 11:05:40 PM
newegg had  an aftermarket  powercolor listed this morning  but as an auto notify

Phil what is serial code for aftermarket cards?


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: philipma1957 on July 27, 2016, 11:06:24 PM
newegg had  an aftermarket  powercolor listed this morning  but as an auto notify

Phil what is serial code for aftermarket cards?


missed taking a screen shot of it.

but this was on newegg
http://www.powercolor.com/us/News.asp?id=1251


this one I found

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202223


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: PovertyByte on July 27, 2016, 11:12:49 PM
I think (and Phil also) that aftermarket 480 will be around fall semester starts. Which is ~19-20th of August

You can already find the Saphire 480's on Amazon, but not for sale yet

Are these aftermarket ones?

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-NITRO-GDDR5-11260-07-20G/dp/B01J1M4BZ2

Saphire Nitro+


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: philipma1957 on July 27, 2016, 11:16:11 PM
I think (and Phil also) that aftermarket 480 will be around fall semester starts. Which is ~19-20th of August

You can already find the Saphire 480's on Amazon, but not for sale yet

Are these aftermarket ones?

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-NITRO-GDDR5-11260-07-20G/dp/B01J1M4BZ2

Saphire Nitro+

sold out  but I think yes


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: ps_jb on July 27, 2016, 11:17:24 PM
Indeed!

Thank you guys!


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: philipma1957 on July 27, 2016, 11:22:27 PM
I got a screen shot  of newegg


https://i.imgur.com/bpT6gU8.png


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: adaseb on July 28, 2016, 04:39:50 AM
The 470 won't be good for ETH mining probably because of the low memory clock speed.


http://videocardz.com/62672/amd-radeon-rx-470-and-radeon-rx-460-official-specs-and-performance




Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: PovertyByte on July 28, 2016, 05:59:27 AM
The 470 won't be good for ETH mining probably because of the low memory clock speed.


http://videocardz.com/62672/amd-radeon-rx-470-and-radeon-rx-460-official-specs-and-performance




I read some speculation that if there are aftermarket 8GB versions, those would have higher memory clocks. Somewhere I read that the 470 should overclock more easily than the 480 for some sort of technical reason. If both of these happen and are true than some 8gb 470's could achieve what the 480 hashes.

Even if the 470 is weaker which is natural, it still draws less power and cost less to purchase.


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: adaseb on July 28, 2016, 08:55:12 AM
In the specs the memoryclock is like 1650mhz, while the 480 is 2000mhz. Most of the speed is related to the memory.

However they come out next week so we will see how they actually perform.


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: RockLee on July 28, 2016, 04:09:42 PM
RX480 Giveaway.

Good Morning All,

AMD are doing giveaways of RX480 on the twitch channel (http://twitch.com/amd) later today in 3 hours and again on friday.

im not affiliated in with them just thought you might like to know to try and get in your hands the new asus (non reference) card (not even available on retail yet).


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: PovertyByte on July 28, 2016, 04:52:13 PM
RX480 Giveaway.

Good Morning All,

AMD are doing giveaways of RX480 on the twitch channel (http://twitch.com/amd) later today in 3 hours and again on friday.

im not affiliated in with them just thought you might like to know to try and get in your hands the new asus (non reference) card (not even available on retail yet).

Same time friday?


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: RockLee on July 28, 2016, 05:35:34 PM
I think so yes.


Title: Re: RX 470 August 8th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: Biodom on July 28, 2016, 05:37:41 PM
I got a screen shot  of newegg


image clipped

yeah, so they basically added 50-60 bucks to the supposed reference price.
it would be interesting to see what is better economically: reference 480, aftermarket 480 or 470.
470 starts with a lower core speed, but, apparently, should be easily overclocked as others pointed out.
$150 for 20-21mh/110W is better than $280 for 28 mh/150-170w.
we shall see

the most annoying part is that they don't have stock, so you cannot just get one of each to try, then get more.


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: RockLee on July 28, 2016, 06:31:18 PM
Grab the bios from reference, force flash, the extra cost worth the better cooling solution? I don't know.


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: PovertyByte on July 28, 2016, 08:00:27 PM
Grab the bios from reference, force flash, the extra cost worth the better cooling solution? I don't know.

And it resolves the power overdraw from PCIe with an 8 pin power connector which is automatically a better option for those who are no using workbenches with PCIe risers but are instead just getting into this starting with 2 cards on their main PC.

I do not know what a reference model bios will do to the custom 480's


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: kellendil on July 29, 2016, 02:34:02 PM
What do you say guys GTX 1060 or wait for AMD 480 ?


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: ps_jb on July 29, 2016, 03:12:52 PM
What do you say guys GTX 1060 or wait for AMD 480 ?

Wait one week for RX 480


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: kellendil on July 29, 2016, 03:15:06 PM
What do you say guys GTX 1060 or wait for AMD 480 ?

Wait one week for RX 480

Ok will do it thanks mate


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: Amph on July 29, 2016, 03:17:05 PM
What do you say guys GTX 1060 or wait for AMD 480 ?

1060 is better, can mine many good algo, not just ethereum, if you have the private miner optimized for everything then ok, 480 is a choice


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: kellendil on July 29, 2016, 03:21:50 PM
What do you say guys GTX 1060 or wait for AMD 480 ?

1060 is better, can mine many good algo, not just ethereum, if you have the private miner optimized for everything then ok, 480 is a choice

Unfortunately i dont have access to private miners. İ just want to make rig with 6 Gpu s. So 6 nvidia or 6 amd. Difficult question, cant decide..


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: ps_jb on July 29, 2016, 03:26:22 PM
Unfortunately i dont have access to private miners. İ just want to make rig with 6 Gpu s. So 6 nvidia or 6 amd. Difficult question, cant decide..

I'm going to build a second rig with 5 GPUs

All is clear for me - RX 480. Aftermarket cards with improved cooling and 8 pins power


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: kellendil on July 29, 2016, 03:28:06 PM
Unfortunately i dont have access to private miners. İ just want to make rig with 6 Gpu s. So 6 nvidia or 6 amd. Difficult question, cant decide..

I'm going to build a second rig with 5 GPUs

All is clear for me - RX 480. Aftermarket cards with improved cooling and 8 pins power

İ see but why dont you use 6 GPU s ? İs it more difficult to build ? Do you get more problems with 6 GPU s ?


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: Amph on July 29, 2016, 03:37:14 PM
Unfortunately i dont have access to private miners. İ just want to make rig with 6 Gpu s. So 6 nvidia or 6 amd. Difficult question, cant decide..

I'm going to build a second rig with 5 GPUs

All is clear for me - RX 480. Aftermarket cards with improved cooling and 8 pins power

İ see but why dont you use 6 GPU s ? İs it more difficult to build ? Do you get more problems with 6 GPU s ?

absolutely no problem here, running six 1070 on a h81 pro btc and 1000w psu, there is no reason to run 5 only


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: ps_jb on July 29, 2016, 03:40:26 PM
İ see but why dont you use 6 GPU s ? İs it more difficult to build ? Do you get more problems with 6 GPU s ?

I have money on 5 cards only :)

Looks like very strong argument


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: kellendil on July 29, 2016, 03:45:02 PM
Unfortunately i dont have access to private miners. İ just want to make rig with 6 Gpu s. So 6 nvidia or 6 amd. Difficult question, cant decide..

I'm going to build a second rig with 5 GPUs

All is clear for me - RX 480. Aftermarket cards with improved cooling and 8 pins power

İ see but why dont you use 6 GPU s ? İs it more difficult to build ? Do you get more problems with 6 GPU s ?

absolutely no problem here, running six 1070 on a h81 pro btc and 1000w psu, there is no reason to run 5 only

Thanks mate. One more question. i dont have access to many mb like you guys ( İ live in Turkey). So no h81 pro btc for me. İ can only buy the newer ones.
Could you list me a few MB for a 6 GPU rig, would be very nice. Thanks.


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: densuj on July 29, 2016, 03:53:06 PM
We just can make opinion without real riset and experience, because the product are not available on markets, so we can not compare them which are the best. Let's wait and see until there are people who use the product.


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: ps_jb on July 29, 2016, 04:07:33 PM
i dont have access to many mb like you guys ( İ live in Turkey). So no h81 pro btc for me. İ can only buy the newer ones.
Could you list me a few MB for a 6 GPU rig, would be very nice. Thanks.

I'm going to build my next rig on this one:
ASRock ATX DDR3 1066 LGA 1150 Motherboard H97


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: PovertyByte on July 29, 2016, 08:47:09 PM
What do you say guys GTX 1060 or wait for AMD 480 ?

1060 is better, can mine many good algo, not just ethereum, if you have the private miner optimized for everything then ok, 480 is a choice

It is not confirmed to be better at more algorithms. In the thread it is mostly speculation suggesting it would perform in a certain range based on the GTX 1070 with some confirmed hash rates below the estimated predictions. It is just LBRY and neoscrypt hash rates reported so far, excluding ether. If that same trend should be reliable for more algorithms than it would be a stable card

I ultimately want whatever card I can hook up to my regular desktop for now and have put to work mining whenever I am not using it (which is most of the time since my labtop does the daily web work). The GTX 1070 falls short by not mining well on Windows although the versatility of the 1070 is appealing. I have not seen enough on the GTX 1060 to warrant me getting it. When Ether does go POW and mining ends, I will also have to count on the other coins not being overloaded by all the eth hash power migrating over.



Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: PovertyByte on July 30, 2016, 05:00:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3QDevWleVY

This person observed the PCB to the ASUS Strix 480

This may be the best version of the RX480 available. The PCIe draw is limited to just the VRM and fan only which is less than what most cards draw from the PCIe. This card will also have memory voltage control where all the others do not which would allow for greater memory overclocks (I think he means easy modding, easy is better than a hassel). Instead of 6 phase power, it is 6+2 which may help for efficiency, and higher OC.

This may be the RX480 to break 30 on Ether, maybe hit 32


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: Amph on July 30, 2016, 05:47:10 AM
Unfortunately i dont have access to private miners. İ just want to make rig with 6 Gpu s. So 6 nvidia or 6 amd. Difficult question, cant decide..

I'm going to build a second rig with 5 GPUs

All is clear for me - RX 480. Aftermarket cards with improved cooling and 8 pins power

İ see but why dont you use 6 GPU s ? İs it more difficult to build ? Do you get more problems with 6 GPU s ?

absolutely no problem here, running six 1070 on a h81 pro btc and 1000w psu, there is no reason to run 5 only

Thanks mate. One more question. i dont have access to many mb like you guys ( İ live in Turkey). So no h81 pro btc for me. İ can only buy the newer ones.
Could you list me a few MB for a 6 GPU rig, would be very nice. Thanks.

i have seent he pro-G it's identical to the h81 pro btc, or the h97 anniversary

What do you say guys GTX 1060 or wait for AMD 480 ?

1060 is better, can mine many good algo, not just ethereum, if you have the private miner optimized for everything then ok, 480 is a choice

It is not confirmed to be better at more algorithms. In the thread it is mostly speculation suggesting it would perform in a certain range based on the GTX 1070 with some confirmed hash rates below the estimated predictions. It is just LBRY and neoscrypt hash rates reported so far, excluding ether. If that same trend should be reliable for more algorithms than it would be a stable card

I ultimately want whatever card I can hook up to my regular desktop for now and have put to work mining whenever I am not using it (which is most of the time since my labtop does the daily web work). The GTX 1070 falls short by not mining well on Windows although the versatility of the 1070 is appealing. I have not seen enough on the GTX 1060 to warrant me getting it. When Ether does go POW and mining ends, I will also have to count on the other coins not being overloaded by all the eth hash power migrating over.



you can add lyra2v2, and lyra2, also on win 7 and 10 the 1070 run very well no issue so far, all algo are performing at their best

the 480 on the other hand, can only mine very well ethereum, which is not so profitable anymore


Title: Re: RX 470 August 4th / Aftermarket 480's July 29th
Post by: PovertyByte on July 30, 2016, 10:11:26 PM


you can add lyra2v2, and lyra2, also on win 7 and 10 the 1070 run very well no issue so far, all algo are performing at their best

the 480 on the other hand, can only mine very well ethereum, which is not so profitable anymore

You swayed me to the 1070. This whole ETC vs. ETH thing makes me question the health of ethereum anyway. Agree with the fork or not I just feel that a vote was made and this ETC vs ETH thing should not have been a result.

It's a GTX 1070 for my main computer and depending on how Ethereum pans out by the time of the 470 release maybe I will make a dedicated rig for 470's if they turn out to have a better hash to watt efficiency