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Title: ham
Post by: yokosan on March 23, 2013, 02:26:31 PM
cheese eggs


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: John (John K.) on March 23, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
We welcome him?


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: yokosan on March 23, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
We welcome him?

But what are the implications for Bitcoin? For a start we are made aware that he is alive, and has access to a large amount of BTC.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: ralree on March 23, 2013, 02:31:54 PM
Pirate is alive, and has access to a large amount of BTC...

So what?


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: theymos on March 23, 2013, 02:39:11 PM
People would start complaining about everything he does, just like they do with Gavin, etc.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: John (John K.) on March 23, 2013, 02:42:28 PM
We welcome him?

But what are the implications for Bitcoin? For a start we are made aware that he is alive, and has access to a large amount of BTC.
Some users here have BTC holdings amounting to 'a lot', but we're doing fine as ever. There's no reason to believe that he will implicate BTC in a negative way at all, especially when the project is open source and decentralized.

But we'll get more complaints anyway. This is the nature of humans.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: Amitabh S on March 23, 2013, 02:53:12 PM
Pirate is alive, and has access to a large amount of BTC...

So what?

No one really knows for sure how much BTC pirate has. Can anyone provide proof that he had 500k btc? 
Im guessing that he may have around 10k or so.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: Maciek on March 23, 2013, 02:54:25 PM
What do you think would happen if Satoshi popped on the forum one day and said hi?

What if he started to contribute again?

Or even if he revealed his true identity and traveled the world doing TV interviews and such? (unlikely)

WE WOULD SAY:
Satoshi - THANK YOU!!!

And BTW. please don't do it :) Do not reveal your identity. People love mysteries :)


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: BTC Books on March 23, 2013, 03:24:34 PM

WE WOULD SAY:
Satoshi - THANK YOU!!!

And BTW. please don't do it :) Do not reveal your identity. People love mysteries :)

+1


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: qwk on March 23, 2013, 03:30:57 PM
Or even if he revealed his true identity and traveled the world doing TV interviews and such? (unlikely)

Sooner or later some tv host would introduce him as the "Mark Zuckerberg" of Bitcoin, and that'll be the day he dies out of sheer embarrassment.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: jackjack on March 23, 2013, 03:38:39 PM
What do you think would happen if Satoshi popped on the forum one day and said hi?

What if he started to contribute again?

Or even if he revealed his true identity and traveled the world doing TV interviews and such? (unlikely)

WE WOULD SAY:
Satoshi - THANK YOU!!!

And BTW. please don't do it :) Do not reveal your identity. People love mysteries :)
Actually I don't care about mysteries, but I do care about his safety...
I'm sure he would commit suicide with 3 bullets in the head


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: WiW on March 23, 2013, 04:28:45 PM
KILL HIM!!! HE IS SOOOO DEAD IF HE STEPS IN THESE FORUMS AGAIN!!!


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: MysteryMiner on March 23, 2013, 05:06:53 PM
I hope if Satoshi returns he don't screw something up. Like making hard forks or rule changes. Under normal circumstances these changes will be rejected by most people, but if Satoshi proposes them they might succeed. Probably this is why he never revealed his identity and decided to abandon Satoshi persona. So he cannot be forced to do things against his will to damage Bitcoin or someone trying to give him more attention than he wants. It is very likely he is still here under nick of theymos or Luke-Jr.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: adamstgBit on March 23, 2013, 05:10:18 PM
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Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on March 23, 2013, 05:40:44 PM
What do you think would happen if Satoshi popped on the forum one day and said hi?

Why do u ask? Let me guess... U r Satoshi and want to know what to expect from the community?  8)


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: Elwar on March 23, 2013, 06:05:29 PM
Satoshi is a human. Humans have flaws. His flaws would be exploited and tied to Bitcoin.

Ron Paul had a good idea to take the country back to the Constitution and promote liberty. They went after a hiring decision from the 90s for his newsletter to discredit him, and with it his principles.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: paraipan on March 23, 2013, 06:07:46 PM
People would start complaining about everything he does, just like they do with Gavin, etc.

+1 true  ;D


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: whitenight639 on March 23, 2013, 06:26:35 PM
He's still here, somebody that involved would not be able to resist checking in and at least looking on the forum if not contributing under a different name.

Anyway I hope he's safe and doing well


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: WiW on March 23, 2013, 07:24:12 PM
Anyway I hope he's safe and doing well

+1


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: Kao on March 23, 2013, 07:59:56 PM
People would start complaining about everything he does, just like they do with Gavin, etc.

I hate to say it but I agree.  Jimbo Wales at Wikipedia is a good example of what happens when the founder sticks around too long and becomes a cult figure, people either worship him or loathe him and jump on anything he says.  Better for the leader to disappear and hand off the operations to subordinates, more-so if he starts out pseudo-anonymous and decides to keep his anonymity.

That being said, my money is on Satoshi actually being Elizabeth II of England, using the ruse of being Queen of England as a clever ruse to disguise that she's actually a clever technocrat aiming to remake society with those who have great technical knowledge (technocrats) having ultimate power.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: mufa23 on March 23, 2013, 08:03:25 PM
If he returned, it would be a massive circlejerk. I'd leave the forum.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: pera on March 23, 2013, 08:25:01 PM
Satoshi is a human. Humans have flaws. His flaws would be exploited and tied to Bitcoin.
Satoshi is not a human, Satoshi is an anonymous entity.


Super-heroes are anonymous.

:)


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: the founder on March 23, 2013, 11:36:08 PM
What do you think would happen if Satoshi popped on the forum one day and said hi?

What if he started to contribute again?

Or even if he revealed his true identity and traveled the world doing TV interviews and such? (unlikely)


There has to be multiple interviews, it wasn't one person.   Even reading into the original documents there are several writing styles.  It was pretty much a group effort... everyone has a take on who they are...  (or who he is)  but in reality the answer was spelled out here a few years ago.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.0

Answer is on that page.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.msg97206#msg97206

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it's a good way to sneak money across borders without detection, eg. to pay informants in totalitarian regimes.

Want to fund your own private war?   These guys have the resources to mine all the bitcoins they wanted and the money to buy as many of them as they wanted on the open exchange.  

I honestly believe that a run up in price from 20 to 74 was because someone was buying them in large numbers to fund something that they didn't want to be known it's being funded.

In a few months or less you'll see a massive dump of coins because the receiving party is converting them to Dollars or Euros for whatever the project is.

These will become less and less pronounced as the bitcoin economy grows,  where they can buy a few million and dump a few million and it won't move the spot price of the coins.

You guys think it's because people in Cyprus were buying them?  They can't even access their bank accounts to buy them...  that run up was something other than that... and I believe we were looking at the wrong continent.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: flix on March 24, 2013, 12:37:24 AM
People would start complaining about everything he does, just like they do with Gavin, etc.

For sure.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: joecooin on March 24, 2013, 01:55:48 AM

Getting confused now.

Do you guys not watch tv?

His identity has been revealed quite a while ago in a documentary called "The Good Wife".

I saw it on tv so it is true and if anyone would come along now claiming he was Satoshi that could only be a scammer.

Joe

 


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: joecooin on March 24, 2013, 02:00:53 AM

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it's a good way to sneak money across borders without detection, eg. to pay informants in totalitarian regimes.

Naw. The CIA _is_ the best, most efficient and most used way to sneak money across borders without detection.

Why would they want someone else to be able to do the same?

Joe



Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: the founder on March 24, 2013, 02:07:43 AM

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it's a good way to sneak money across borders without detection, eg. to pay informants in totalitarian regimes.

Naw. The CIA _is_ the best, most efficient and most used way to sneak money across borders without detection.

Why would they want someone else to be able to do the same?

Joe



Because before they were only able to sneak X across before getting caught (Iran Contra for example) ,  now they can sneak unlimited amounts of money, as much as the bitcoin economy can support..  and at these prices you can fund a small war...  cross $100 or more and you can fund a big war.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: freequant on March 24, 2013, 03:02:04 AM
I honestly believe that a run up in price from 20 to 74 was because someone was buying them in large numbers to fund something that they didn't want to be known it's being funded. In a few months or less you'll see a massive dump of coins because the receiving party is converting them to Dollars or Euros for whatever the project is.

Yeah, that's the climax of anonymity to wire USD 100M to MtGox, buy massive amounts of Bitcoins, send them to some pseudonymous party, shuffle them around for a few weeks / months and later dump this million or so Bitcoins on MtGox and wire back the proceeds to to some accounts in the middle east...
As incognito as an elephant wearing a Guy Fawkes mask in a demonstration.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: whitenight639 on March 24, 2013, 03:07:11 AM
I honestly believe that a run up in price from 20 to 74 was because someone was buying them in large numbers to fund something that they didn't want to be known it's being funded. In a few months or less you'll see a massive dump of coins because the receiving party is converting them to Dollars or Euros for whatever the project is.

Yeah, that's the climax of anonymity to wire USD 100M to MtGox, buy massive amounts of Bitcoins, send them to some pseudonymous party, shuffle them around for a few weeks / months and later dump this million or so Bitcoins on MtGox and wire back the proceeds to to some accounts in the middle east...
As incognito as an elephant wearing a Guy Fawkes mask in a demonstration.


True but how much does it cost the CIA to move 100million in a C4 in cash it would be like 100 pallets would it now? I dunno if it would be much less weight for gold, anyway it's a plane trip they could be using for Guns / ammo or heroin.


Title: Re: If Satoshi returns
Post by: freequant on March 24, 2013, 03:11:41 AM
The problem with Satoshi's identity is that it's like the Schrödinger's cat thought experiment with a twist: as long as you don't know who Satoshi is, he is effectively in a superposed state of being both dead and alive, but at the very moment where you find out who he is, he is most certainly dead or soon to be.