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Hey guyz. I been taken time away from cryptos to work on other projects. I know see 100 ICO's and shit developers and most projects with NO CODE to see.

Are we at the top of the bubble when shit scammers can walk away with 1000 btc this easy?

Why not look at projects? Why is all pump and dump?

I see not this shit NXT scam rebrand. Yes I look at code. Not much new just shitty scam marketing.
and this shit Decent with no code. No one cares. All pump and dump. Dont look like real team.

I see 100 ICO's. I now go look and read all code and call scammers.

This is a good idea. Please make a concise explanation why you think a project is a scam or maybe not at par with a high standard. I think the team is important. We must try to know the team of every project so that we could assess if they will be able to produce a good project or not.

I will be interested in your assessment of Ardor because I hold NXT right now. I will appreciate the criticism if it is constructive.

Who knows? Maybe some of them are using fake identity of a people not really exist nor the using the face only of a people just to have a team proof for as a team but let say maybe some other really doing it existingly since we can see so many ICO scam coins existing in market and truly they got many BTC collected just for making an ICO coin.

They don't and i know why because..
It is a phenomena that is simply mimicking the mass coin cloning days from a year or two ago.

Since that fell out of favor and was "more trouble" to get into
they stream lined the scam process.

Now it is not about currencies or anything to do with "mining" coins.
Side stepping the concept of mining with a 100% premine simply made it easier
for you all to buy shitcoins at Centralized exchanges for trading / profit.
Which is what the whole agenda revolves around now.

At least back in the day it meant something when users went and bought mining hardware.
To me i seen it as symbol of support.
An effort to secure the chain and keep it going etc.

Nobody in Crypto is interested in being a coin "Supporter"
They are all 99% greedy sleazy little profiteers who came here to trade shitcoins for Bitcoin / FIAT.
So the ICO simply made it far easier for them to accomplish this goal.

And i never have nor would i touch an ICO / IPO / ITO coin.
I am not a scammy little fucking douche bag scrounging around for BTC profits.
Nope.. unlike 99% of you all i actually have class & integrity.

You sleazy ass profiteers think Satoshi envisioned a scammy ICO super scam fest ?
You think your "Scheme" coins are legit ?
Apparently you all think it's ok to hobble some bullshit together then tack an ICO token onto it
then call it a coin and trade it at Poloniex for profit is acceptable / legit behavior.
If you do i think you missed the fucking point here entirely kidiots.

These profiteer shitheads are useless.
They will do NOTHING to further any legitimate cause / project.
They are here to buy / dump and walk.. moving onto the next *popular* heap of scammy bullshit.
They are all a cancerous plague that has infested every aspect of Crypto.
Nothing but a sleazy scammy Free Market Cash Grab free For ALL !

And most of you are too fucking dumb to see the consequences of these actions.
I posted an SEC "Investor Fraud Warning Alert" about Crypto Coins
and what did you all do unanimously ?
You all cheered saying it was GOOD NEWS !
You all lined up to repeat that.. well, this proves that crypto coins are legit & recognized.
Same retorts i heard way back when Banks were sending out warnings.

We are talking about a majority that is greedy & retarded.
Talk about a perfect storm LOL

PS:
I never have nor would i take REAL money out of my bank account to buy shitcoins either !
Which has been the beauty in "mining" coins.. you could simply use what ever you have laying around to get into Crypto.
So..
I hate to break it to you fucktard idiots but you can NEVER EVER have a trues crypto currency
that hinges entirely on having to take FIAT from a bank account to buy them.

How does a crypto coin replace FIAT if you NEED fiat to buy them ?

You guys are really are THAT fucking stupid  :D

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EDIT:
By the way the answer is = You don't make one (a currency)
Hence the rise of "Scheme Coins" like Steem or ETH etc.
..pointless scammy (not a currency) ICO fagotry.

Projects that obviously have massive amounts of work
and have developers that are not newbies help to sway me.
But, even those can be scams.

I recently invested in Pioneer Shares which gives you a piece of
an exchange which is being developed. I invested primarily because
I trust the developer. Also, took a very small piece of Breakout due to the
work in the ANN. Long term projects so, time will tell.

99% I don't even consider.

Mostly, I just mine.

the question is not that.....

the question is, are you an Ace, a Pro or a Rookie in this game?


This is like real life, a hard worker can gains prosperity if he is good enough, wealthier will be an advantage, dumb people will be dumb people as we see all around everyday....

so please stop the bullshit, this is scam, this is scam, this is scam because of your failure, put yourself togheter n improve your game.

My believes blockchain will changes world. I write code, and I know many peoples who does. I know many peoples who only looks to make riches easy.

We need to do more due diligences from everyone. Support the real project and let everyone knows the scams. Many scams now, hard to see real projects.

If technology is good and developers are talented than what does it matter wet here it's and ico or not? Unless you are a true libertarian.

ICO's are bad, but I don't mind crowdsales if the idea behind it is good. If you have your own project, and the money for it, then it's fine to launch it without outside funding and just invest in it. But not everybody can afford that. Bad thing is that in reality most of the ICO's/crowdsales/whatever are being launched for only one reason: fast profit.

not if there are no pow phase, without pow phase i see it as a scam and nothing more, notice how every shit non-pow coin, died eventually

and only pow are leading the top position

the question is, are you an Ace, a Pro or a Rookie.. OR WHALE in this game?

Whale manipulator trumps all or hell even exchange owners or pool owners or coin devs.
You bottom feeders are on the lower end of the totem pole.

And you would have said that if you knew it. LOL

ICO = SCAM

What you said in your 1st paragraph does not compute with your 2nd paragraph. You want proven developers that are doing massive work on their projects. Yet you support Pioneer Shares and Breakout? Those are 2 of the shadiest projects I have heard of.

What do you think of zcash's system of paying back investors? It is a POW coin that has miney invested in their development team. Their scheme of paying back investors is that the first 4 years of mining will reward 50 coins and 10% of that will go to the zcash foundation and the other 10% will be to repay the investors. I am not sure about the details but this is what I got from reading their forums.

@bbc.reporter

Identity means sweet fuck all !
Seeing some little dick heads ID that *could* be forged means a lick of shit.

I don't care who you all are.
Proving your some guy and you "swear" you won't rob us all means what now ?

LOL don't be low hanging crypto-fruit guys  :D

I care that they do. That's why I'm currently supporting ETH and MAID. You can still pick up these coinages relatively cheap so bows a gud time to fill your bags.

Ya but your a fraud...

And anyone can say they were a coder and show some ID.
So bloody what ?

uhh new to earth ?

Try Google dumb fucks.
Start with Berni Madoff & Martha Stewart (YES we knew who they were)

Who has done jail time for similar crimes that happen in Crypto regularly ?

NOBODY !

What does that tell you ?
Listen to "FraudCache" he'll tell you  :D

His comment is dishonest stupid bullshit.
Designed to instill a false sense of security on vulnerable noob "investors"
Like the many guys who think they can PM me here on how to make money from this forum.
I replied back to one guy today.. "I don't know"

Who says you SHOULD be making money from a forum ?
OR.. trust something just because they gave you a name ?
We're not dealing with very bright people in Crypto.  ::)

Hell, i doubt most even know what "Crypto" means.
To them it means "profit coinz"

I think a lot of ICO scammer "invest" their own Bitcoins to public addresses to create a fake image of investor interest to lure people into their scam.
Some people think that if there are hundreds of coins "invested" than it's safe.

In my opinion ICO or crowdsale if the dev can deliver or he has ready made services or usage of the coin where you can use the coin you purchase right away,then there should be no problem with that particular project,just read the roadmap and who are the team behind it and can they really deliver and what are their experiences from the area that they are promised to bring..

Most ICO are unfair... the Dev team deposit/buys with own BTC coins a lot of own project coins. After the ICO they get back their invested BTC coins and their part of the bought project coins. win win situation (a disguised form to obtain the premine as much as possible).

I hope icocountdown and some others will help with the due diligence. But perhaps they are profiting from these shit ICO's somehow.

it depends on many things, the developer and his history, the project itself and many other factors that help you make a decision but in general ICOs are bad and scam. they end up releasing a shit code and end up being one more shitcoin in the market.

that is why for me, the most important thing is the time after the ICO and if they can survive and get big so that i can earn more BTC from dumping it on top or not.

I invested in Ethereum as I see was nice team and nice visions. Much of today is shit. I see copy projects. I see projects with no codes. I see stupids peoples putting money in even stupider peoples hand.

I agree with that. We need good coder and programmer for the projects. They also need to be very dedicated.

There doesn't need to be in fact.   You can issue a "coin" with an ICO that could live just as IOU on exchanges without needing a genuine code base or block chain.  The same "value mechanism" that gives value to bitcoin and other alt coins can be operational for such "virtual coins": an infinitely recursive belief system.

The only thing that will be harder to accomplish, is to get it "up and running".  In order to get the dollar "up and runing" it had to be "backed by gold" in the beginning, so that the initial belief system could confuse dollars and gold.  Once the belief system is "booted up" however, the boot launcher (here gold) isn't needed any more, and gold could be scrapped.

Bitcoin undergoes a similar booting up of the belief system (although it is not "backed" in the beginning) of "intrinsic value of block chain".  But the more people use it and believe that it has value, the less the "boot loader" is needed.

So in the end, why not have a totally virtual token that doesn't stand for anything, not even a block chain ?
It would make exchanges very rich !

I would like to hear some opinions about the Decent project.

I do alot of due dilligence on projects, I do not like scams you can see interviews with real developers that i do here:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOu5mkF_NczLQzICINvzr9w/videos

You can see my warnings about scams here:

https://medium.com/@icocountdown/

I do vet all the projects on http://icocountdown.com - I don't list anything I think are scams without at least some face of a developer or otherwise. If you want me to help do some due dilligence on specific projects I can help.

You should think about changing your name to lets say "CryptoInterviews", "CryptoResearch" or something. There are not only coins out there. These interviews prove nothing, but at least people could have a better look on the upcoming projects.

The thing is that even when these dev team had all their information on their ANN thread, this still don't guarantee that they won't be scamming.
I agree that they too need money but then owning 20% of the 100 million seem not ideal. These sort of dev may just take vacation to some place in the pacific for few months and be back when they've almost spent all.  they're back to scam once again.

I think it's evident people ignore the ability of the developers and simply like to have their head of their ass or try to jump on the hype train. Take a look at deClouds for example which is an almost infeasible idea that takes much time to pull off and has plenty of well compiled scam accusations now compiled about it floating 200 BTC+ meanwhile, take a look at a project like Jewels which demonstrates a developer with real knowledge of what they're doing and an ability to code new content on a daily basis which has in comparison a meanly 25 BTC.

People can't cry about getting scammed when they themselves are the reason these scams exist. Only you can prevent forest fires.

You have warned rise, yes it is a proven scam. decloud, i think it's fishy.

How do you think about opair project? Some said opair is a scam with fake id devs

I have just launched The Fuzzy Trader Crowdsale Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1591177.msg15979239#msg15979239) and I can ensure you that the announcement post it's pure BBCODE.
Also, besides the fact that The Fuzzy Trader is a fictional character, there's are actual persons behind of this character (but not liable for his acts and behaviors).

Hahaha, Razormind! This is one of the most utter scams out there!!! There was a reason (well, more like 100 reasons) to create a thread about them: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1564499.0

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You have to be joking?!

People are basically throwing away their coins on roadmap and all the hopes devs give in their opening post. However after ICO there will be no any real development, there will be just like few code updates in a month and a few partnership with small business/company causing no any changes in the market. I am refering this thing to LISK team they seem really inactive and just sitting on ICO funds and postponding lots of their developments.

That's what amuses me the most. Why we are seeing so many projects claiming that they are decentralised coins/tokens/assets/platforms/whatever, yet they have CEOs, CTO's CMO's etc..?! How the f* this works?

They use to call it lead developer years ago. now they call them CEOs, managing the development of the token and they also own millions of the tokens to which the team participate in the pump and dump. It somehow appear to be alright though until the team scam them. Scamming is very common for ICOs.. the word "decentralized" seem to hypnotized investors.

If the project is not listed on my site I do not trust it.

i agree with you but the majority of investors doesn't know how to read code.... all they care is the team. And this part, even scams generally have.

I don't invest into big projects, cause so much people do hit&run.

I invest generally small ICOs like Lisk or Elastic.

Write code ?
For what ?
Seriously pull your heads out of your ass people !

WHAT ARE THEY CODING ?

DOES ANY COIN HAVE THE ABILITY TO DETHRONE BITCOIN ?

Then what good is the "code" then ?
Hobbling together some code for an excuse to launch ANOTHER ICO is not impressive.
No matter if i have a high-res picture of his asshole and finger prints.

Show me one ICO coin that coded something useful.
You can't.

PS:
Only you can prevent forest fires ;)

ICO's are an invalid scammy distribution method too.
If you launch one you are a scammer period.
They are nothing but 100% premined coins where the devs manipulated it to hell & back and take their cut.
There is NOTHING legit about ICO's.
They are the most unfair method of distribution.. they are basically a 100% premine.
Which is more scammy then when a "dev" does it for 2% and you all scream scam !

Your all full of shit big time .

This why I vet code  8)

Nowadays people only looking for a way to earn something and it really doesn't matter if anything at all exist behind the ICO as long as they can buy low and dump on exchange for earning a day or two, it's all OK and every thing is just fine. :D

Some ico's are good like eth was a very good one and nxt was another and now I am looking at jewels. Its a project with 60k lines of code written by the dev and he is well know in the community. So not all are scams but 99.99% are.

What code ?
Why did you ignore my last comment ?
What did the code do that was new over the 2 or 3,000 coins before ICO's got big ?

You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.
And you lie like a sidewalk.

NO ...well... just a little  ;D
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1591177.msg15992260#msg15992260

Have you seen jewels mate? I know you like only investing in REAL projects with REAL devs.
You should have a look.

How many of you out there bought / acquired coins and then sat on them long term with out looking at "market prices" ?

How many of you have watched a coin die off because the sleazy loser shithead profiteer dregs pumped & dumped your supported coin leaving it for dead as you bag held them as every exchange delisted the coin ?

How many of you have the fucking balls to sit on your coins as it drops to 0 ?
I fucking have and STILL have coins LOL
Delisted on exchanges coins..

You all KNOW deep down your majority who have the power are two faced lying sacks of shit.
The "majority" is a decetful greedy scammer.

What ever direction the majority pushes is where the ship steers.
And i have laid out what i see lots for years..
It's a short sighted i want profit.. now (and that is ok) mentality.
A mentality that says.. hey greed is good and i am only a little sleazy greedy / scammy.
Hey everybody is doing it so why shouldn't i ?

How many topics to do you all see or even comments by anyone (aside from Spoetnik)
Discussing the ramifications and future implications of the majority's behavior ?

NONE.

All you see is topic like.. "What coin should i invest in ?"
Or.. "How do i make money with Bitcointalk"
Or.. "SHILL shit talking"

Most that see what is happening are content to stay silent and do nothing.
As the toilet flushes..

2013 is not going to repeat.
What do you see going on NOW ?
An ICO pyramid scheme scene with a hammer of legislation looming.
Good luck dumping AFTER bad news gets spread profiteers.
I have seen coins decimated so fast you can't dump quick enough and LOSE MONEY !
REAL money !

And this is as you all love saying.. a FREE MARKET
So there is no refunds or calling the cops.
Make your bed and sleep in it and UNDERSTAND the huge level of risk involved.
Then loiter around singing the merits of a scene designed to flog shitcoin ICO tokens for profit.

Do i even need to bring up the possible outcome of that ?

I got out and just gave away 90% of my coins.
I don't care about the money.
What the new guys showing up did here disgusts me.
You ruined it losers.

Greed is a good thing i have been told lots the last few months here.
Good luck with that..

My integrity is not for sale for Ethereum ICO scam coin DAPPS / APPS / Smart-Contract Fuel tokens.
Or what ever is popular by the "majority"
Is it popular ? It's probably a scam  :o

What makes you type in the weird manner that you type?

That's because 99% of this is all a scam to get some money.

I'm trying to show everyone how to do this properly. I have a popular App that's turning into an AppCoin. This way you know what you're investing in.

investing in an idea is high risk. While I want anyone to be able to raise money to start a project, you also have to understand risk/reward. Investing in a product that's proven to already be popular helps out a lot to determine if it'll work and if the dev can deliver what they promise.

If I were you guys Id check out jewels ico. Not to invest (although I have) but to see what a transparent ico looks like for future reference.  :)

From recent scam icos, oracle, mentrio, rise, some has a team, some are anonymous. Investing a good team is very important.

That's why I think jewels is a very real and transparent ico. Its dev is a moderator on a gaming forum and has been for over 10 years. He has also successfully developed apexconquer.com and has a real user base. Its if not the best most transparent ico ever its one of them.

nope. by the very nature of an ico the people buying them are setting themselves up to allow twelve throbbing inches up their dirtbox. maybe they like it but the only reason they're buying in is to transfer that penis into someone else's rectum before it busts into their chest cavity.

That's quite the post there. I like it and for the most part its true, but check out jewels because its an ico that comes without the cock in your ass.

 ;D

You are right, most ICOs are very dull and scammish, but some projects are really interesting and have smart people doing hard work behind. Do you really not find Tauchain or Golem interesting? I think those ICOs are good.

I think jewels is the most interesting ico right now, have you had a look?

Jewel still is not convincing. There are already coins similar to it that are somehow dead these days.
Its nothing unlike xaurum thats backed with real tangible goldbars.

But yes. ICO needs to show team faces and real codes not like clones.

Only to pander to your profits people.
You all just want to feel comfortable participating in a stable pyramid scheme.
Don't sit there and pretend it has something to do with principles  ::)
..or being a supporter

of course its about profits... anyone saying he doesnt care about the money is pure bullsh*t.
the whole market is about profit...

And yeah, i agree most of it are scams but there are legit coins. frauds happens in any market, is not crypto exclusive.

Most people don't care about the projects that the devs are working on. They only want to see their coins being pumped up to a very high value. Of course, the devs working on big projects will give potential investors confidence.

but finding a good altcoin with good team is not easy. this world is full of scammers. now altcoin lovers and investors are only dependable on these coins. they are investing everywhere without check and confirming everything..

Your a clueless NOOB spouting off stupid bullshit.

Myself and others i have known around crypto for years DO care about being being a supporter over profits.
..and has some god damn integrity and class.

Just because you don't ..don't assume everyone is a sleazy greedy little piece of shit.

Further more your comparison is a broken retarded heap of stupid bullshit.
Frauds happen in any market ?
Well News Flash sweety-Pie other "markets' are regulated.
Unlike scam coins !
So your little retort is fucking retarded.
And a cliche.. i have dealt with the same 4 or 5 retorts all year round year after year and they are as dumb as ever.

ICO = SCAM

It is also the reason why many people lose money. They think that the pump is a real increase in price because of the cryptocoin's fundamentals. Many do not realize that all cryptocoins do not have fundamentals because it is only code. It is actually only a series of input and output numbers in a ledger. We only think there are really coins. :D

This is true, but this is true for ANY monetary asset: it is pure belief, and NOTHING else.  There are no fundamentals in a monetary asset and in as much as there are, they are a tiny fraction of the market value of the asset.  Because in as much as the fundamentals are the market price, they cannot serve as speculative item.
Gold is the perfect example: gold DOES have some fundamentals, for jewels and for technological use.  But if that were the market price for gold, it would mean that the *ONLY* demand for gold (setting this market price) would be for making jewels and for technology, and hence there would not be any demand to "keep gold to re-sell it later" (as a store of value).  It would mean that gold were to be used as a commodity, and NOT as a store of value.

From the moment an asset serves as a store of value, its market price must be HIGHER than its fundamentals.  And a store of value resides PURELY on the belief that people will pay a price for it later.

You can do a fundamentals analysis of a business plan, of a factory, of a company.  But you cannot do a fundamentals analysis of a purely speculative asset such as a monetary asset, because it is pure belief.

I define a "speculative asset" as something one acquires against goods and services (a market price) with the SOLE AIM to resell it later against goods and services.   A monetary asset is a particular speculative asset where one expects to get about the same market price back when selling than when buying, mainly used as an intermediate store of value between two operations (selling labor and buying food at different moments for instance), without the idea of "winning value in the process".

I am seriously sick of hearing you guys use the term "asset"
Like that some how legitimizes ICO scam coins.

As soon as you all started piling in here LATE ripping stock market lingo i was rolling my eyes.  ::)

Want to chat about terminology ?
Spit on this profit-butt-plug..

What are the "tokens" called in a Pyramid Scheme ?
What are they ? Dollars ?

You all love to pull your little peckers out and defend any shit coin in existence.
Wanking away hard & long with your speeches about how they are all so damn legit.
Problem..

We do KNOW for a fact that a massive amount of coins were created for no reason other than profit.
So.. what does that make them ?

It makes them the closest possible thing you can possibly get to ..to being a digital Ponzi / Pyramid Scheme.

All i see is the same guys here defending all these damn shitty ass ICO scam coins etc.
NEVER ever ever EVER eveeeeer pointing out how even 1 of them is scammy.
So tell me shit-coin aficionado's..
What criteria do you have ?
To me it seems like none.. you all just defend everything and cry FUD.

Really..
I would like to know.
Draw a line in the sand for once and have some integrity and speak up.
You are all so damn quick to loiter around here posting defense retorts until your blue in the face.
While simultaneously pretending there is no such thing as a Pyramid Scheme coin etc.
Define it !
I fucking dare you.
Or do what you all do 24/7 ..which is hide then out post the FUD with stupid defense commentary.

Every single scammy ass sleazy corrupt rigged heap if ICO scheme bullshit that comes along
has some douche bags railing on about White Paper's and Assets and other misc "Stock Market" terms.
Nothing ever changes here..

You HAVE to define what a scam is.
And then when you do i expect you guys to grow a pair and show your face !
Ya.. that's right !
I expect you to show up to "FUD" bad coins just as much as you loiter around here defending them.
But none of you ever do.
THEN.. you want to strut around like you have Crypto-Cred ? Puuuuhlease gimme a break.  ::)

The only thing there is more of than coins here is agenda's  :D

Problem is if you go on the record you are stuck being held accountable LOL
And we can't have that can we ? hahhahah

can you explain in details why you think NXT is a scam, from your code investigation.

I know a lot of people heavily invested in it, and many crypto platforms are based on NXT already

Who me ?
I am tired of bashing on NXT ..i gave that up long ago LOL
If it's an ICO i do NOT support it.

What is more interesting is getting you all to START having some principles.
This whole obnoxious cocky attitude about supporting ICO's is retarded.
You are all blatant about it.
You bend over backwards to make all of crypto function like a KickStarter for Coins.
Then you proudly defend your *NEED* and want to profit.
And what does that equal smart fuckers ?
You all said it.. you did not me !
Pyramid / Ponzi.

And if you slide in as many Stock Market terms as possible you all seem to think it will legitimize your ICO for profits.

White Paper ICO Asset Smart Contract blah blah blah...
When 100% of you simply brag about and defend your actions.
Which is pure profit behavior on centralized exchanges.

Another ICO pops up and then we see little dipshit millennials who showed late to crypto.
Why ?
So they can make their OWN ICO scam coin and ...... profit from it.
Then we see the kick backs etc and "titles"
CTO of scam coin forum posting, CTFO of profitz, CEO of githubery

Who's here ?

The idiots making this shit and the dregs left over from 2013 STILL trying to profit..
And random new comers that heard they can make money from this retard bullshit we call Altcoins.

People your actions do not match what you say.
The majority of all this crap (especially ICO's) needs to be flushed.
Hit the delete button !

I expect nothing to change though.. this has attracted losers.
Pathetic greedy losers who can't even believe 1 person would come to crypto to be a REAL supporter.
They don't believe it !
They think it's impossible LOL
THAT ..is how bad it's gotten !

You all have your bed.. you made it.
I will enjoy watching the regulations start picking you all apart.
When the Altcoin scene has gotten this bad you deserve it people.

None of you are interested in drawing a line and defining what a scam is.
You are not even opening to discussing the matter.
I know because i recently created a topic asking that question of you all.
I got 0 replies.
You all don't care.. as long as you profit.

I won't feel sorry for you all as it gets worse.
You made it this way !

YOU are all the ones who chanted FREE MARKET ..no LAWS !!!!1111ONE
YOU are the ones who insist on leaving "scam" undefined.
YOU are the ones who deliberately created a legal grey area to wallow in profits.

It's not MY opinion that matters.. it's YOU !

NXT ico investors got ridiculous plenty of wealth form ico, can't believe that, this time they will profit from ador, damn they will be much richer.   >:(

if the rest of the wavesplatform only knew sasha was involved with NXT, they wouldn't be investing to that shit. now look at what happen after the 13K BTC invested to it the price of each token is less than $0.20 The rest of us already considered it a scam.  This is why even when you know all these dev with their profile links, they still can get away by just ignoring all you and feeding you updates that can never get a price to rise a cent.