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Something got me wonder: Why are there terrorists?!
If we go through history, we see they never achieved anything at all. Terrorist attacks are pointless, suicidal and, ultimately, stupid.

Starting by that Catholic prick, which was used in a movie and became anonymous' mask. Well, UK didn't turn one inch Catholic due to his attack attempt.
Later on late XIX you get the anarchist attacks... no country got anything near anarchist due to it. Same for Spartacus League on Germany.
ETA and IRA did zero on make the territories independent from Spain or UK.
Palestinian terrorism just made it worse for themselves, the more the terrorism the more Israel grows on power.
Eventually the US-supported Talibans got to power on Afghanistan, but not because their terrorism "was so good that scared the Russians", it just happened the wall came down, the soviets collapsed and it was left alone. So they got there by chance.

Now we come to today's terrorists. «Uh! I'm so bad! I killed 100 parisian peasants!»... Dude! I don't mean to disappoint you, but there are about 20 million people in Paris, even if by any miracle you could do it everyday, about 300 years later you would be half-way from depleting Paris of its population!
To not mention you step on the toes of someone who just doesn't make a parking lot out of the rat hole you came from if it doesn't want to or may set a drone so deep in your arse that your friends would need to scrape your pieces out of the asphalt.

Who actually wins with terrorism are those who are "opposing the terrorists". Strategically then the only place for terrorism is to perform false flag attacks, shake the crowd and empower the viper that made it, such as nationalists, fascists, communists and all sort of scum that feeds on fear and false hope. Anything other than this is plain stupid and pointless.

This said, what to think about things like ISIS, al-Nusra, Hezbollah and all that crap? Are they a false flag? Or a gathering of retards?

Retards for sure.. Because they like fuck their sisters n shit..

Well... you've found the point of terrorism. /thread

Not exactly the point, but the only place where it can have some strategic value.
Because it still makes me confused on where it came from and what for as I believe many actually believe it "does something" for their "cause". Not that I'm afraid that the world will run out of retards, but we don't need such a vast stock of it as we have!
And, well, people that follows a religion that came from a guy who claim to be listening to angels... they surely add to that stock!

Why do you see the inscription, so literally ?! If the words of Scripture, taken in accordance with today's realities. This Scripture has more than a real guide to action. But if you do not trust the words of Scripture, of course, your right.

Hypocrisy at most and sometimes mental illness of variable intensity. An imaginary Jannat or heaven. A sacrifice for god. A jihad.

From history look how the ancient religious extremist treated the great minds, scientists, made them the satan, Lucifer anybody who didn't followed their religion were called witches and black sorcerer, killed them. Still people with similar thoughts following the same tradition. Some places are changing fast while some are resisting change.

Terrorism is just manipulation man.

Give me 10 men and 10k $ and I put Europe on its knees.

Terrorism is here so governments and companies can do whatever they want.
Everyone talks only about terrorism, no-one talks about poverty, work conditions,  tax evasion of multinationals...
Do you know that more people died at work in europe last year than in terrorist attacks in last 10 years?

 But hey, the media have their priorities right...

Daesh's stated aim is to start war between the crackers and the Islams. Keep chipping away and eventually no average Muslim is going to feel very comfortable in any Western country, nor will the crackers.

That feeds into a nicely ignitable cycle and most people are far too stupid to see the path they're being steered down.

As for false flag stuff, I'm sure it has happened in the past but I find people who scream it every single time something occurs should go outside and get more fresh air.

Their goal is to increase tensions between groups. Example: Irish, English and Muslims,non-Muslims.
They exist because stupidity is not scarce on this planet  ;)

Well, the Western media is "western centered", a terrorist kills 2 guys at German you get a week of full coverage, a set of them blow 500, including women and children, at Iraq and all you get is a small note in a corner of a newspaper.
Terrorists then aren't doing it for "Muslims to not feel comfortable at Europe", specially because most of their attacks target other Muslims at their own countries.

Another curiosity is that Daesh/ISIS thing. They just don't care on assume anything! I guess their dialog after Nice's attack should go like:
- Who was that wacko with the truck?
- No idea man, but we will assume it anyway!

They sound like someone trying to sell a product by putting to evidence how shitty that product is...

I have thought long and hard about this, believe me and the best conclusion I can come up with is that so long as there are religious texts and teachings within religion that declare violence in general and violence or persecution towards certain types or groups of people is acceptable fanatics and terrorists will always be able to justify their existence and we will never get rid of them.

It's because the so called moderates have the same beliefs at fanatics that these types of groups can run rampant especially in their neighbourhoods, they support them either actively or passively by having these violent beliefs and that's why it will always be a problem.

Do terrorists ever talk about the terrorism that they are going to do before they do it? and do they talk about it if they succeed and get away? Probably. At least the before part... the planning stages.

Talking about the pointlessness of terrorism is more pointless than talking about the planning of terrorism... at least to the terrorist.

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Therorists are the most restarded pupils in the whole big world and they will always be the poorest pupils which have ever exist in this galaxy.I cant understand their poor heads which are really really broken.

Terrorists from Iran, Morocco, Tunisia, Chechnya and Saudi Arabia never even visited Iraq. These countries are not at war (Except Russia-Chechnya wars)

actually they wanna rule  the whole world and wanna get all the oil reserves of the world ..i am very much depressed about this they are killing so many innocent people .whichis pointlesss.kudoos :)

Yup what you say is very true... By definition terrorism is a strategy. And the strategy of the weak party by excellence... And as you said the only outcome possible for a successful campaign is to provoke a very harsh response from the asymmetrically superior force. For example the Russian army wiped Chechnya entire cities.

In the case of Ben laden he wanted to provoke the west to a very massive answer: how high to jump? And then be able to rally vast swath of the mostly apathic worldwide Muslims population to join the fight (and of course causes financial damages, i.e. Investment in the armed forces and not in productive stuff and create climate of fear to weaken demand).

In retrospect he lost his bet. Consumerism, materialism and greed are powerful forces he didn't and couldn't understood and he underestimated vastly the American war machine... He only saw the CIA in Afghanistan against the Russian... At the peak all Ben laden men couldn't even dream to operate a single aircraft carrier fleet... The complex is soooo wide and deep, 241 years and one month of continuously accumulating XP.

Guerrilla is a strategy of the weak, terrorism is plain stupid. All it does it empower the opposite faction.
One of the shittiest terrorist attack in history, the attack on North Ossetia's school, was the reason why Russian army could wipe cities of Chechnya without much hassle from the rest of the world... honestly after your faction attacks school kids nobody gives a fuck for what will happen to you and yours.

Who are we fighting with, though? ISIS? Who created ISIS? And with what reason(s)..?

We're just a stage. Marionettes played on a stage by the under-100 families in this world. A few thousands are taking control over almost ten billion people. If they wanted to fight ISIS and terrorists, they would disappear from the face of this planet in max 24 hours. They don't want to do it, though. Fear is implemented from these 'attacks', so that their plan can have success. We'll reach the point where we aren't going to trust anyone around us. The plans have been made hundreds of years ago, and there is not just a plan. There is Plan A, Plan B, Plan C, Plan D, etc. We're just marionettes.

If you look at the provoked hate of America as evident on even this forum, binLaden and other terrorists certainly do provoke hatred of "the West" by the Muslim communities.

Somehow these communities do not comprehend their manipulation by their own extremist factionss.

According to Amy Zalman, Ph.D.  Global Terrorism Expert

There Are Two Causes of Terrorism

All terrorist acts are motivated by two things:

    Social and political injustice: People choose terrorism when they are trying to right what they perceive to be a social or political or historical wrong—when they have been stripped of their land or rights, or denied these.

    The belief that violence or its threat will be effective, and usher in change. Another way of saying this is: the belief that violent means justify the ends. Many terrorists in history said sincerely that they chose violence after long deliberation, because they felt they had no choice.

Source: http://terrorism.about.com/od/causes/a/causes_terror.htm

They are terrorists because they are wurthless scums who have nothing good to do in their lives. They can get manipulated easily by another countries and they can do exactly what they are asked.

War is the most profitable business in the world since the beginning. You sell guns, you profit. You sell medicine, you profit. You rebuild the cities, you profit. They waste resources in a war, so your resources become more valuable.

Terrorists start wars almost for free. In fact some of them are so stupid, they actually do it with their own will and completely for free.

Watch "Lord of War" then you ll understand.

The soldiers in any war, umeraet poor. And the generals are getting richer at a time when soldiers die. Similarly, conventional terrorists. Basically it is silly and not educated people. And those who manage an army of terrorists getting their profit. Therefore, your opinion is not correct. Terror, generates income and is very large.

And you had to think long and hard to come up with such conclusion ? ^^

Well I beg to differ. I don't believe 1 sec those fanatics are really doing this alone! They do it in a so shitty and useless way....
They're here only to distract the people from the real problems that's all.

My opinion is similar to yours. All of these efforts, the fanatically-minded individuals, all leash is another attempt to distract people from the other pressing issues. Similar actions have often been observed in stories.

yeah, pretty much.

Instability and war in the Middle East no doubt raises the price of oil.  Therefore consumers of oil, such as the USA, should be opposed to instabilities.  Local producers in the Middle East should be in favor of it.

Although they might not admit it.

I know you didnt mean that  but I never said Saudis don't like it. Saudi's are the number 1 supporters of Obama. That's why they asked him what is going to happen when he is gone. And suddenly out of nowhere there are some documents popped out which shows Saudis were the responsible for 9/11. Oil prices are dumped like crazy, electric cars are suddenly became popular... Saudi's are done.

Except when they can use the situation to move their troops in to protect democracy and rebuild the infrastructure of the region which they destroyed (payed by the destroyed nation via US loans) and finally afterwards let patriotic corporations like ExxonMobil extract the oil.

Does it ring a bell?

They don't consider themselves terrorists, they consider themselves freedom fighters and that's for them it is not a crime, but proof of their dedication to the religion.

NO, fighters for totalitarian and or fascist idiologies such as ISIS cannot "consider themselves freedom fighters."

In many cases they actively assert their stand against freedom.

I guess you've been reading history books a bit quickly. Nelson Mandela has spent 27 years of his life in jail because of his conspiracy to overthrow the state. He was a terrorist. The American settlers who revolted against british rule in the 1770's were seen as terrorists before they created a new country called the US. The french resistants between 1940 and 1944 were labeled as terrorists by the German rulers. The people who created Taiwan were terrorists in China. Nasser was seen as a terrorist by the french and the british...

And those are just a few examples which came to my mind, there are countless others.

Yes, that's what the history books say. But who, really, are the terrorists? For example. When government forces you to pay taxes so that you can't even support your family, then isn't government the terrorist?

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You say that the government, the terrorists? The police, the terrorists? Army terrorists? Drunk neighbor terrorist ?! You are wrong. Terrorists are people who impose their conditions, by any available means. Using their own purposes, even murder. The objectives of the terrorists are always illegal and immoral.

I also do not know why they do it.  They even multiply even if they show terrors.  Maybe they are all tired with their lives.  Maybe they do not found their happiness.  Maybe their lives are too boring that some terrorist will commit to suicide bombing and end their lives with innocent ones.  They must be using lots of methamphetamine and just do not know the reality anymore. They are all sick people. 

Each has its own truth. But religious terrorism has no justification. Not a single religion in the world, does not say that someone has to kill someone in the name of their god. Freedom fighters have to fight on their land instead of globally.

You're right! Terrorists, for the most part, sick people. Only a madman could put on a suicide bomber's belt and die for stupid ideas. Terrorists can not even really say it what they want. All the ideas of terrorists, complete abstraction. Rather, it is delirium of a madman. But those who run the terrorists only want your money.

The more I read this guy, the more I like him xD

But Americans will never admit that. Never heard of an American admitting they destroyed whole middle east just for oil.

The objectives of terrorists are not always illegal and immoral. Sometimes police actually have good in mind. But traffic stops are often at least partially illegal and immoral when there has been no harm or damage done, and when there is no threat.

For example. You are driving 100MPH on an open highway. Your car is good, and can easily drive 100Mph safely. There is nobody out on the highway except you and the state highway cop. The cop stops you and gives you a ticket for going 100 in a 75 zone. That is terrorism by the cop.

True, this is a broad example. But cops terrorize most of us just by being there. Although some of their terrorism is legal, some of it is also illegal, and most of it is unlawful. Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10.

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Well, now that fracking has made the US a net exporter of oil, what's going to happen to this stale old lie about the root cause of American middle east policy being 'stealing their oil?'

Guess you'll just have to get another meme.

The other name would be that America wants to control all the oil in the world ;D ;D

I live in an oil-exporting country, the fall in crude oil has really affected our economy.

Not to be confused with terrorism and ordinary greed. When the Constitutional Court does not accept any legal penalty, then he is an ordinary fraud. But if there are rules do not violate the rules in any way. I do not deny that there are real criminals in police uniform, but there are very few police officers, and they are quickly punished.

terrorism seems pointless in the short term but humanity will have suffered from it a lot fifty years after. i think that terrorism is the new type of war so it should not be underestimated.

Terrorism is certainly capable of hijacking world media.

Seems all it accomplishes then is to make Islam look terrible.

Mahatma Gandhi was declared a terrorist by british parliament in 1932.
In Ireland, I know people who sincerely believe the british are terrorists, willing to impose their conditions by all means, including murder. There are facts to back up those claims.

Knowledge, and understanding is not the product of broadening the definition of a word so that any and everything is defined within it's range.

In fact that's the very reverse of understanding.

Yet it isn't the terrorism that is pointless. It is everything.

Suppose you are wise and understanding, and of good knowledge. You amass art and wealth for yourself. You get yourself a harem of some of the most beautiful, gracious women in the world. You have loads of children by these women. And when you die, you leave great wealth to all of them.

But what good is it to you? It is all pointless. When a person dies, it is all gone.

Why do I even spend time on Bitcointalk? The only thing you ever get in life is the pleasure of the moment. The second thing is satisfaction when you do a job well. But none of it has any meaning, because it is all gone when you die.

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By terrorists and terrorism I mean plain terrorism of blowing the crap out of innocent civilians.
Not exactly those "the opposite force calls terrorists", usually due to convenience as those opposing forces are hard to distinguish from those they call terrorists.
The founding fathers weren't blowing up US or UK citizens, if they started their campaign by bombing Boston citizens there wouldn't be any independent USA as public support would be 0 afterwards. So they were striking military facilities, same for the French resistance or Taiwan... Mandela not quite, that was a case when propaganda and time in the "shade" made people forget and turn things around.

no one . no one wins in it.

Not only is terrorism pointless, but think of how a terrorist bomb feels...

The End of Dark Star
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luaRtGn2tsI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luaRtGn2tsI)

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John Yager - Benson Arizona
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSseHpBH0E4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSseHpBH0E4)

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Terrorism is just one of a cancer in this planet. Terrorist group wants only powers that defines there hatred against government. They only want to destroy government and rule the world of full of sin, hatred and crime. There ideology is pointless. That is why we need to destroy them as fast as we can.

A terrorist for someone may be a freedom fighter for someone else. For example, the Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC) is considered as a terrorist organization by the United States and the other Western nations. However, leftist nations such as Ecuador considers them as freedom fighters. Same with other organizations such as the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen of Kashmir and the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) of Balochistan.

Thanks for pointing out that what we call terrorism are heroes for their countries.
You can't expect a peaceful reaction when being at war with a country.

Guerrilla fighters or resistance, despite being called terrorists by its opposing faction are a different subject. Unless when they resource terrorism itself, such as ETA or IRA. And here comes the point; those two waged nothing out of terrorism other than be wiped out.