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WHAT IS ARK?
ARK is an open database (DAPP) where people can list newly created cryptocoins, and where the community can easy find them in real time. (manually, or via smart contract)
A simple trustless list of new coins. ARK is an open database built on Ethereum.
If you are looking for newly created coins, ARK does the job!
ARK is also the first Collaborative Market.
The Proof Of Concept for any future Collaborative Market.

IS THIS LIKE A NAME-SYSTEM FOR COINS?
No. We wanted to apply the concept of collaborative markets to something simple. A name system was one of the ideas, but there are already too many coins around and trolls would buy pre-existing names and make a mess. It is an open database, more a list able to keep detailed informations you can refer to. Like how many coins, if you can mine them, where is the website etc. etc.

WHAT IS A COLLABORATIVE MARKET?
Whereas a large corporation may give power to a single entity, a collaborative market (or Plex Market) is a group of microeconomical actors joining together to offer a service to the public, all ruled by a trustless smart contract.

IS ARK A DAO?
ARK belongs to the family of DAO, but differs in that it is specific; it is built to fulfill your local law. We call it a Collaborative Market. It is an environment producing value (offering services) that is then shared by the owners of the service.

IS ARK A FINANCIAL PRODUCT?
No. If you buy shares from Apple or Microsoft you buy a percentage of income, a dividend, and you have no idea what they really do with your money. A collaborative market is a FINANCIAL PRODUCT EMULATOR. You are the main subject offering the service, and you offer it according to the smart contract ARK, keeping in balance the earnings of all owners.

HOW DOES IT WORK?
In order to list a new coin on ARK DB, you must pay an ANTISPAM fee. (1 fair ETH)

WHO GETS ALL THIS MONEY?
The community: ARK BOTs (shop) owners.

HOW DOES IT HAPPEN?
When you buy a BOT (shop) you enable it, and as soon as a customer comes, you serve him and you get the money.
Now it is NEXT BOT's turn, and when a new customer comes the NEXT BOT will serve the customer and get the money.
A TRUSTLESS MULTIPLEXER POINTER steps in, redirecting the customers to the CURRENT SELLER, BOT by BOT, so that at the end of the cycle, all existing BOTs served a customer, and the cycle restarts from BOT 1. Endlessly.
In the long term, all the BOT owners will earn the same amount of money, emulating a financial product.

WHY NOT DIRECTLY A FINANCIAL PRODUCT?
The strict rules and bureaucracy of directly creating (and buying) a financial product can hinder the process. COLLABORATIVE MARKETS ruled by a TRUSTLESS MULTIPLEXER are an ALTERNATIVE MODEL that can be applied to smaller projects, allowing the little developer to meet the power of the crowd with low commitment to bureaucratic processes. If you have the right to sell a product on eBay, so you have the right to operate ARK market, and offer the related services, according to your local law.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER WAYS TO MAKE MONEY WITH ARK?

ARK contains 6 different services:

LIST NEW COIN

EDIT COIN

EDIT BOT

RESELL BOT

ADD ADVERTISING

ADD HOME ADVERTISING

WHO DECIDES THE COSTS OF THE SERVICES?
The community members. Those who own the BOTs and share the income offering ARK services to the public. The prices can be adjusted to the market value via an experimental democratic voting interface.

HOW MANY BOTS ARE INSIDE ARK?
The total amount will be decided at the moment of launch. From the very first moment of the initial sale, the number of BOTS cannot be changed.

CAN I TRADE MY BOTS?
Technically, yes. But ARK starts with a very high fee (RESELL BOT). ARK is meant for long term investors. If in the future the community decides (via inner voting system) to lower the cost of RESELL-BOT service, they will be easily tradable.

IF THERE IS A CYCLE SO THE FIRST BOT HAVE AN ADVANTAGE?
If you are a short term investor, then you will be interested in buying some of the first BOTS of the cycle. If you are a medium/long term investor then you don't mind. In fact, a bot will cost around 1 ETH, and listing a coin will cost around 1 ETH, so if you buy the first BOT of the list and a first customer comes you already got back your money.

WHY ARK IS A SPECIAL EXPERIMENT?
Because it is a basic test on the capabilities of Ethereum, where we can really have an idea of the gas costs of a complete billing system.

OK BUT...WHY ARK?
The community needs a Coin DB. A clean list of coins, not some messy forums. The age of proprietary databases is over. We have now an open one, fully interconnectable. Managed by the community, forever. Any one can connect his own application. If you build an application with proprietary database, no one will use it. IF you connect to a central resources system so it is completely different. I pay you but those informations will be accessible forever, whatever is going to happen. Your company may fail, your application may vanish, but the links are all there, in the central database. This is the end of the dissipative world we are used to.

HOW CAN THE COMMUNITY BE PROTECTED BY SPAM?
ARK contains a simple and experimental democratic BLACKFLAG management system. Plus, in extreme, a brutal censorship function managed by the operators (BOTs owners).

SO DO I BUY A "FUTURE PROJECT"?
No, as soon as you buy, the game starts. This is not an [ICO], you buy a ready instance of a web-service. [SSS] stands for Start Software Sale. It is a completely new model. Get used to it, tons of collaborative markets to come... any web service can be transformed into a collaborative market, granting accessibility to informations, and wide spread of resources.

WHY NOT AN ICO?
We don't build coins. We build Markets. We don't look for money for future projects: we build the technology => we sell it. You know in advance what you invest for. Period.

CAN I MINE A BOT?
Of course! Ethereum miners are rewarded. If you find a block and a transaction happens inside ARK, so your wallet gets a CLAIMABLE BOT. Claimable BOT's are property of ARK operators, they are given for free, you pay only the administrative fee (around 0.1 ETH instead of full price 1ETH). Money are earnt by the CURRENT SELLER, depending on the step of the TRUSTLESS MULTIPLEXER. There will be only a limited amount of Claimable BOTs. (10% of total BOTs) If you don't claim a bot the next miner will claim it in your place. You can still claim yours later, assuming there are still any available.

WHAT ARE THE REAL FEATURES?

Coin listing
Modifying existing Coins
Tagging coins
Search by tag
Blackflagging system with approvation by members
Blackflag based filter system
Voting system for extreme censorship
Voting system for services prices
Collaborative market cycling 6 different services
BOT buy/sell system
Companies management
Complete billing system with:
Search bill by BOT
search bill by buyer wallet
Search bill by seller wallet
Search company by wallet
List companies
Mantain old companies informations for bills registered before the company changed name
Bounty system
Mining Bounty system
Advertising system (under coins)
Home advertising system (in home page with different costs and different multiplexer cycle)
Stats for everything
Basically extensible in its semantics (the future may be seriously different!)
Muting system for emergency (works only during startsale!)
Very Simple (neanderthal style) document system
Search low cost BOTS (client side!  it would be too expensive for a smart contract)

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COLLABORATIVE MARKET?
We have a dream. We are working for it, stay tuned.

I see you've picked the best logo. good choice :D

WHY the forum isn't showing my image? lol

because account is new. please check inbox messages

because of your forum rank. (sent you a PM)

i like the idea,understandable, but not promising to reinvent the wheel ;)

is there a reason for the anon newbie account?  adds alot of credibility to an ICO if we know there's any liability if you poof ;p

No I opened this account long ago, but I never used it. first time. I will see if I can change the name.
Actually it isn't really an ICO, it is a bit different. Anyway it isn't a try to reinvent the wheel, instead it is a try to organize a serious system with invoices and billing, blueprinting the dynamics of existing "real-world" systems.

We just apply the blockchain to things. For the external world we are reinventing the wheel, for people like you not, because you already digested all the concepts.
We apply them, in the way you expect it. We try to transform any service into a DAO. Managed by the people.

The most interesting point is to see how the community would use it, what kind of spam level it will reach. And more, you can really see how much it costs to send an invoice using ethereum, and register users, or to modify data and keep them tracked using only the smart contract.
And how to find data in a smart contract? All little questions, but if you are involved in ethereum you will find a (possible) answer for any of these problems giving a try to ARK. We believe this little DAPP to be a great example, something to have a look at, especially for developers. We all like the idea of DAOs. Soon or later we will have to test one. And we will explore massively all connected issues. Very difficult to predict. So we built ARK, and now we can try a Democratic interface and see the result of a real ongoing process.

Stay tuned. It costs nothing! Or just buy 1 BOT for fun (around 1 ETH), so  you can really test the whole interface and have a better idea.  

I was thinking if your project is worth listing in my blog.

http://btc12.com (http://btc12.com)

Any mining involved?

Well, your posts appear to be quite selected!
Have a look to our description, maybe connect to our facebook page, in the next days we are going to release screenshots of the dapp.
Later If you find it enough interesting and you write a couple lines and you post them on your blog you get 3 BOTs, so you can play for free and test how is to have to deal with a community to decide the costs of a service !

cool man, decent response thx!  i respect a dev that meets all questions and concerns head on, will def be watching this one!

your website looks cool, wish i understood it.. get someone to translate it to English :D I'm sure ppl would love that

A DAO with so much features. Keeping an eye on this. More information please.

10% to grant new people involved in the project after the start sale. ARK rewards ethereum miners (from the very first minute after launch). Just go on with mining ethereum, if you find a block and meanwhile someone is using ark you get rewarded.

Thanks for your comment.

I am doing this specially for Chinese investors, those who can't understand newest ICO or alt coins very well.

I am putting red flag to those coins without solid foundations and background information.  but anyway   a chance to speculate :)

I also have some ability to scavenge insides of all coins. so this blog is a bridge between devs and investors.

it already has viral effects among Chinese Crypto land.  so let's see what i can do.

Awesome! keep it up :D It's important that everyone in the world gets a chance to understand this brave new world

Coin listing
Modifying existing Coins
Tagging coins
Search by tag
Blackflagging system with approvation by members
Voting system for extreme censorship
Voting system for services prices
Collaborative market cycling 6 different services
BOT buy/sell system
Companies managment
Very Simple (neanderthal style) document system
Search low cost BOTS (managed with efforts by web3.js, it would be too expensive for a smart contract)
Complete billing system with:
Search bill by BOT
search bill by buyer wallet
Search bill by seller wallet
Search company by wallet
List companies
Mantain old companies informations for bills registered before the company changed name
Bounty system
Mining Bounty system
Advertising system (under coins)
Home advertising system (in home page with different costs and different multiplexer cycle)
Stats for everything
Basically extensible in its semantics (the future may be seriously different!)
Muting system for emergency (works only during startsale!)

The important informations can be accessed form outside. In case of fatal disaster (or absolutely needed evolution) we imagined, one day, to build a TRUSTLESS BLUEPRINTER CONTRACT, capable of cloning the PROPERTIES from an old contract to the new one.
ARK is ready to be connected to such a blueprinter.

Any user can withdraw his money at any time. Manually (for security reasons)

Believe it or not, all this cake was squeezed into a single Etherem contract.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COLLABORATIVE MARKET?
We have a dream. We are working for it, stay tuned.




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Just finished some reading from ARK website. The FAQ section was real pleasure to read! Everywords of that are free -flowing and enjoyable.
And the idea to build a vast recourse of Coin information by using smart contract also very cool. It could leads us to solve nowadays investors greatest concern to become scamed by almost every new project of cryptocurrency.
I'm not an expert of cryptocurrency scams! But a believer knowledge. If their is nothing to be learn, what else will prevent you from trapped by bad Actors?

I want to see success of ARK! The reality of initial dream !
Then keeping bad actors at bay from scaming cryptocurrency lovers will be lot more easier!

Thanks!

hi dev sent an email with the crypto website  i would love to use to spreed your coin! how long should i wait for an answer?
thanks

it's look promising. i'll wait for this  ;) :D

send you PM dev, please to respons. thanks in advance

You are welcome!

Can we already mine ETH and get BOTs  ???

thank you

Brand new dev. No thanks.
But wondering. Why not use your real account
?

indonesia translation is ready https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1580159.new#new
thanks

Looks good Gosh, sent you an email!

Another ico? Looks not good actually, just want to earn ethereum from us. And no escrow, no dev info. Bye

not everyone has an account on BTCTalk. maybe user made this one to post this project.

bounty claimed!  ;D ;D


Chinese BTT thread:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1580254.new#new (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1580254.new#new)

BTC12.COM post http://btc12.com/2016/08/09/arkisanewdao/ (http://btc12.com/2016/08/09/arkisanewdao/)

Hope i get a big bounty.

 :D ;D Only Chinese know the contents. I think OP can't read it. ARK is "TAO" :D

1) this is not an ico (please read the text)

2) I never posted anything so the account is new (i wrote this before)

3) The contract contains a given number of bots (that is exatcly the same effect of the escrow you are looking for!)

4) I have my name published, you don't, my friend. (sorry to ask this way but...do you read the posts or you just comment randomly?)

keep tuned and the launch day you will understand better, so you can really decide if you like it or not.

Dev, check PM please.

The greek translation is complete here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1580385.new#new

enjoy guys!

dev please add me to the spreadsheet :D

You must wait the launch, sorry  :P

Where is the wallet?

Can I help you? Let me know what you don't understand

link to the wallet

New altcoin? Good luck ;)

Not really. Please read carefully, or simply come back after the launch and have a look on the system.
You are welcome

ARK is a smart contract, if you mean the address of the contract it will come as soon as the system launches.
You will have the time to audit the contract in safety.

Otherwise I am not sure what you are looking for.
Let me know if I answered your question.
Thanks

have sent you email with Russian translation pls check devs ) Thanks )

Just finished some reading from ARK website. The FAQ section was real pleasure to read! Everywords of that are free -flowing and enjoyable.
And the idea to build a vast recourse of Coin information by using smart contract also very cool. It could leads us to solve nowadays investors greatest concern to become scamed by almost every new project of cryptocurrency.
I'm not an expert of cryptocurrency scams! But a believer knowledge. If their is nothing to be learn, what else will prevent you from trapped by bad Actors?

I want to see success of ARK! The reality of initial dream !
Then keeping bad actors at bay from scaming cryptocurrency lovers will be lot more easier!

Thanks!





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Thanks for your post, here the entusiasm is the same!

So...its a customized ponzi scheme? Can anyone explain how this differs from the traditional, say, cloud-mining ponzi process?

(edit: I mean no disrespect, I am truly interested in this projecy)

Thanks for your question. You are very far from understanding.  ;)
Forget everything you know and follow me please.
Imagine a shop with 10 clerks, working for 10 different owners in the same shop.
The principle of the trustless multiplexer is very easy:
Normally they would fight to serve the customers entering the door, because they want to earn the incoming money,
in a collaborative market when the first customer enters the shop the first clerck serves the customer, sells a pair of shoes, and gets the money.
A second customer wants a pair of shoes, so the seconbd clerk will serve him and earn the money.
A shop. Selling shoes (a web service in this specific case). A shop with 10 owners.
And a smart contract deciding who must serve the next customer.

Any question is welcome. thanks again

Watching

https://thebrazengeek.com/hashrate/2016/08/10/ark-collaborative-marketplace/

Wrote an article about ARK - hope it gets the name out there

Interesting. I'll watch this one and see where she goes.
When will the daps be ready?

Very nice article!

Post your eth wallet address please.

The day of the launch.

please refer to online countdown http://ark.monkeyscage.org

thanks for the interest you are welcome

I am thoroughly confused. breakdown time. So, i buy shoes from bots? But not the same bots, different bots that enjoy dao related activity. But i have to make sure the bot owners are not into my shoes. Otherwise the bots could be double dipping. So then i send a bot enthusiast to the next bot owner and it goes in a circle until i get a shoe. Then i repeat this process until i have a matching pair of shoes that i can sell to another customer. And then i trade that for ETH? Am i close?

Thanks for the clear explanation  :) you may be close
...but still not enough

when you buy shoes then you go home , you don't resell shoes to the next customer.
May be you come back later to have new soles..
So you will pay for your new soles, the current seller-bot.
Then you go away again.
The recursion is in the sellers, isn't involving the buyers.
It's not a Ponzi scheme.
Just a simple multi-owner-market offering 6 different services.

Welcome.

You can subscribe the newsletter for news at http://ark.monkeyscage.org

We are going to send a couple email to suggest the right way of moving during the [SSS], in case you are interested.
You will get the last email 24h after the launch with an overall resume on the first day.

Thanks for your interest

I'm looking ahead of ARK development. With lot of different situations with smart contracts, you have a way to address existing issues. I am seeing good things with ARK. Besides, posting wallet addresses in threads are not allowed. You can use services, Marketplace (Altcoins) or Games and Rounds to get list of people to post their wallet address or ask them to PM You. I will be PMing you until.

Good luck.

Can you link to the correct eth wallet to use to generate eth address to receive the bot bounty? It will also be helpful to deal with ARK in the future.

https://github.com/ethereum/mist/releases

Here you find ethereum wallet and MIST BROWSER

Using Mist you also have the wallet (open Mist and visit wallet.ethereum.org )

You will use Mist to interact with ARK

Thanks for the prompt reply. I will use it. As I downloading it for the second time, I need to spend time on syncing. I will get back to you once it sync.

What choice is applicable for ARK? Old chain or Hard Fork chain?

Only HF

Russian translation https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1581246.new#new

thanks send me your wallet

Collaborative Markets VS Conventional Selling Platforms

please see image

http://ark.monkeyscage.org/insight.html

Bounty IS: ON

Yeah why not I would like to subscribe the newsletter actually im interest about this project...im Happy to get news from ARK on my email ;)

yeah I see there http://ark.monkeyscage.org/bounty.html anyways i have done Post 3 diffrent links about ARK

Post the 3 link here and then send me PM with eth wallet address

Thanks for your interest

Perfect, please link your facebook account. Also, Do you have a twitter, linkedin, instagram, skype ect?

Nice project and interesting about the COLLABORATIVE MARKET.Bounty is live now let the word of ARK spread.Im watching and keeping updated on this project.Thank you.

indian translation
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1583241.new#new

Reserving Philippines translation.
How much is the bounty exactly? I also want to take part on the promotional bounty.

nice logo, i like it .... :)

Arabic translation reserved .
Thank you

Welcome thank you

you get 10 BOTs

post it in Arabian section then send back the link along with one (or better 2) eth wallet address

thanks for your interest

we already have it.
check at the beginning of the topic

If you post it in 3 Filipino ethereum groups you get 1 BOUNTY BOT

thanks for your interest

how soon translators will receive bounty ? and how long will be sale of bots?

As soon as ARK is deployed the BOTs are delivered (the plan is to have the most of BOTS already delivered at launch time, in order to award the bounty hunters)
The number of bots will be decided at start sale time, according to the value of eth.
The system works as soon as one bot is delivered.
All unsold bots aren't going to share the income produced by ARK. So if only one bot exists enabled, it will get all the income.
 

start sale continues until all bots are sold
during the start sale you couldn't sell your bots, but actually it is possible manually to change ownership (so it is possible also via smart contract, someone could decide to build such contract to favour the early selling of bots, but the meaning actually is to keep the bots and have traffic, so the bots produce income and later youhave some money and some bots)
More specific numbers will come later but I can tell you in advance that there will never be more than 50k bots, very likely there will we sensibly less.
and 10% belongs to the community and is used to award the eth miners (if they are really interested, they will claim their bots paying only administrative fee, so in few words the idea is that the minable bounty is a product for the market, miners gets awarded, become part of the community, bring new life, and pay something to enter)
The startup phase could take 1 month like some months, let' s see, meanwhile the plan is to test the functionality of the social voting system and use the principle (recycling the code) to grow an environment of web-service-dao all around. The real problem isn't the quality of the program (well .. yes of course) but the way the community behaves.
and if the program fits the behaviour. ARK is a big test. As we state, you should never buy more than 50 BOTS, so we can test a community of at least 1000 people. more or less. ARK is not a big DAO. As soon as some coin generator will be on the market out there, with few bucks anyone will be able to create its own coin and it will be an explosion. If you believe in this scenario, so you understand the need of a system like ark. Someone says there will be millions coins in a soon future , and million blockchains. I don't know what to say. if 1 million coins will be ever listed in ARK, spam or not spam, serious or not serious, you have a margin and you multiply what you spent, probably 20 times. More or less.  But first we need to test the system! multiplying 2 times would be already enough. But first ARK must survive, and teach us how to build better societies.
If you are curious buy some BOTs and join the game.
If we can manage to sell all BOTs we get back what we spent and a good earning.
In order to facilitate the process, we plan to go on, whatever is going to happen, and build more, and have a stronger environment.
And possibly ...step by step ...a bit of trust!
Welcome

Great project would like join the bounties.

Share http://ark.monkeyscage.org in 3 different decent crypto groups, and come back with links and a eth wallet address

you get 1 BOT

thanks

Do you need a translator for a potential french translation? ;)

Accepted!

you get 10  BOTS

then post on french section and come back with eth wallet address

No problem, I will post that shortly ;)

Wait and see here :)

Hello, I have send a PM.
Would like to reserve Malayalam translation.

no more Steem articles please

To all BOUNTY HUNTERS and NON

again: You will need Mist Browser in order to interact with ARK (Parity may work, we didn't test it)

So start downloading Mist please, because it takes time.
Using Mist you can access wallet.ethereum.org

there you can safely create your eth wallet

ARK address will come at realease time.

We can't grant other wallets to be working.

You will need your KEYSTORE/JSON file , so if you created your wallet outside Mist you can easy import it.
Just drop your KEYSTORE/JSON in hidden ethereum folder, inside keystore, and your wallet will appear.


If you gave us a wallet you can't control, you won't be able to manage the BOTs and the income produced.
Your bot will work and earn, and you won't be able to get the money.
Those money will be stuck inside forever, so please pay attention, in case (for bounty hunters) send a new wallet before the end of the week.
Your bots will be associated to the new one.

thanks for understanding

so we should dowload the mist, how about myetherwallet.com, can we use that?

Etherwallet allows you to generate a wallet with KEYSTORE/JSON file
So as basic wallet it should be ok.
However, if you want to interact with ARK or you go via ETHEREUM WALLET watching the contract (with address and ABI) and then you interact with that (almost impossible), or you simply use Mist..
There are too many buttons in the DAPP. How can you vote? how can you see the content? etc. etc.
You need Mist, or maybe Parity will work, I will test it in the next days. Parity is very fast to download, I think it uses only part of the blockchain. I don't know about security...
So far, Mist appears to be the only serious answer for ethereum projects. It is a bit slow in downloading. But you can import your wallet later, once it is downloaded.
I managed to import in Mist a wallet created at myetherwallet.com
pay attention, I see my etherwallet and my etherSwallet . lots of phishing sites.

which one is the good one?

I would only use the official ethereum wallet. Independently by the situation.
You can visit it using Mist. very soon there will be an explosion of dapps. Without Mist I don't see how to move properly.
Mist asks for password. that's the basic of all.

The BOT is the clerk of a shop you own inside ARK. The idea is that the BOT will sell services in your place, and earn some money.
The BOT won't send the money to your wallet (for safety reasons, just to avoid exploits similar to those applied to THE_DAO)
So if you earn something (I really believe you will earn something, or the whole project fails and here we all make SEPPUKU) you want to withdraw your money.
Or you do it with ethereum wallet, via an ugly interface where you don really understand how much you have, or simply you use Mist, and you will see alittle world inside the dapp. You are the owner of that world. Monkeyscage isn't the owner. You are the only owner. Actually the monkeyscage is planning to keep around 50 BOTS. (Just to let you know.) One BOT will be around 10 euro, but in the long term should produce more in term of income. BOUNTY HUNTERS, beeing at the beginning of the multiplexer lits, will surely earn something. So far around 100 BOTS are assigned. So as soon as people list 100 coins, spam or not spam, all bounty hunters will earn 1 ETH for each bot they own. We have more projects of course, and we wil add them connecting them to ARK, creating a mini ecosystem of tools sharing traffic and resources. The traffic will come, slowly at the beginning. In fact most of people don't have Mist, and this is a clear sign that we are really at the beginning of the revolution. Ethereum isn't a coin. It is a DAPP platform. For dapps you need Mist. Or there is no DAPP!

To all, please read the description.


BOTs are for Ethereum Enthusiasts

Other people aren't really interested I think.
And we are not interested in giving away random BOTs to random people, actually, and not because we are bad, but just because giving them to ethereum enthusiasts is the right thing, and what they expect from us in the moment they become BOTs owners!.

Any help according to the offer is welcome and appreciated.

Thanks for understanding.

Following this thread.

Wait for the message from the coin. :o

I can provide Chinese Translation ;D

I'm not sure I understood, can you please repeat?

Hey Gosh, Swedish ANN translation completed, please see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587413.new#new
Edit: I'll post ETH address later.

thanks for your help

We already have a chinese translation  :-\

check pm me

Can I use myetherwallet ? because I downloaded mist wallet in my cpu can not work
http://imgur.com/a/9o1fn
http://imgur.com/a/NE7Yi

How do you know that your contract is secure? Or if it is not will you qualify for an ETH hard fork as well?

Logic question.

The part of the code related to money is very simple. Anyone will be able to audit the code.

Of course , since everything can happen, the community may need to "make adjustments" to the code, and as you know, once you deploy the contract it is not possible to change anything.

ARK is modular. If the problem emerges in one of the modules, it is really not a problem.
If the problem emerges in the "core" contract (the real collaborative market, where the bots are and the multiplexers operate) so things become more "problematic".

This is how we move in that case.

We find the problem in the code
We fix the code
We deploy again
We create a TRUSTLESS BLUEPRINTER CONTRACT
We connect the blueprinter between the old and the new ARK
We click a button
We transfer the properties
We deprecate the previous contract
We use the new one

And anyone can see that the blueprinter is just a smart contract
and it is not possible to have any errors

But I am talking about some kind of bug
I make an example:
ARK sends invoices to customers, and registers the bills in the memory
each bill has a number
Now imagine there's a bug and all bills have the wrong number
something like bill 1 is actually bill 2
and bill 2 is actually bill 3
so all bills are messed up, with a x-1 number
This of course isn't acceptable and must be fixed

About money..
The meaning of the collaborative multiplexer is that the income isn't waiting in the system until we reach an amount, but when your bot serves the customer you can withdraw.
YOu probably withdraw because you want to invest somewhere else
I think there won't be big money inside the contract
maybe few eth

If there are problems, I will be the one in charge to fix... lol
So far I am pretty comfortable.
If someone comes and finds a way to steal all the bots, well, everything is registered

Anyway the code is relatively simple
THE_DAO was an articulated system
I modularized ARK, but one week ago it was a single contract
So pretty simple. If you aren't a super expert you should be able to audit it quite quickly anyway

Look here the widthdraw function (so simple):

function withdraw(){
        uint t=balances[msg.sender];
        balances[msg.sender]=0;
        if(!(msg.sender.send(t)))throw;
        }

If you find a way to steal money from this, the ethereum foundation will give you a huge bounty
(me too lol)
Any suggestion is welcome
I hope I answered to your question

same with me, i'm only using myetherwallet, cause another coin based ethereum can using myetherwallet too, i hope this can too

As long as you have your KEYSTORE/JSON file there is no problem.
I can associate the BOTS to the wallet.
However, in order to interact with your BOTS you will have to enter Mist, or use any other tool to interact with the blockchain.
Anyway, if customers start coming, and you can't enter the system, your BOTS will be working anyway with no problem.
If there is an income you don't loose anything, your income will wait for you inside ARK.

If you still have problems later (maybe you don't have enough hard-disk space), the guys at https://status.im/ are on the way to publish the mobile browser.
That one should work easily on any device , since you don't have to download the whole blockchain.

I wrote in a precedent comment that BOTS aren't standard tokens, in fact they are more like tools. Beeing not standard, you don't see them at my etherwallet!
If you want to see them and you don't have Mist or you can't download geth, a solution (I don't see another solution at the moment) just go to a crypto friend's house and ask him to have a look. You drop your KEYSTORE/JSON file in his ethereum folder (you don't need to give any password so you are safe) and have a look inside Mist, connect to ARK and you will see your BOTS. ARK is a dapp, like the most of ethereum things, the problem the people are experiencing depend on the few tools available, but soon more will come. Have a look at http://dapps.ethercasts.com/
Those are all ethereum dapps, if you don't have a browser like Mist (or parity or geth or whatever) you remain out of the ecosystem.

Yesterday I partially tested Parity Browser. It was downloading the blockchain pretty fast.
You may try it, maybe it will be faster, but then I suggest you to use ARK using Mist, since the problem isn't Mist but just syncing and downloading the blockchain.

You BOTs won't escape, no panic  ;)

BOUNTY IS OFF!

May be the launch day, we restart it...

Now the last tests, see you on ethereum testnet this Sunday.

Using Mist, you can mine in advance some test-eth to make your experiments this sunday.

Go to Mist menu > DEVELOP > Network > testnet

then DEVELOP > "start mining (Testnet only)"

After a while you should collect some test-eth

Now, I have been following from th beginnng and I must say I am thrilled with the level of maturity and detailed answer you have provided @Gosh.

This project is a big one and we all hoping for the best. However, I have some questions which I know will be beneficial to others aside from the CRYPTO gurus here. Now I have made effort to follow every post. My concerns are as follows

1. I have made efforts to download the MIST Browser saw many options but downloaded the one related to my operating system, in my opinion, just like google chrome or mozilla, I have installed it. What NEXT?

Choose Main-net
Start Downloading (could take hours , sometimes days)
Usually once you downloaded THE WHOLE blockchain Mist allows you to create a new wallet.
If you can't download before monday: connect to http://www.myetherwallet.com
Create a new wallet there (save your KEYSTORE/JSON file)
Send me your address
I attach your BOTS to your wallet
Now once Mist is ready you must find your INVISIBLE ETHEREUM folder in your computer


    ~/.ethereum on Linux
    ~/Library/Ethereum on OS X
    ~/AppData/Roaming/Ethereum on Windows


just drop the KEYSTORE file in the KEYSTORE folder

Now when you start Mist again (if not immediately) it will show you your wallet
Mist is a browser, if you connect to wallet.ethereum.org using mist you can see your wallets and create more

then nothing else
Just wait monday and connect to http://ark.monkeyscage.org (with Mist of course)
You will see ARK and on the bottom, a wallet manager showing your BOTs, your wallet external balance, and your ARK balance.


If you computer is fast, you may have the time to download the testnet, so in case you can test ARK from sunday on testnet
In order to make some tests you may need some test-eth
So once the testnet downloaded, just go on MENU > DEVELOP > START MINING
and you will collect some test-eth

good luck with downloading the blockchain
Now it works better, in January it took me one month to have a working computer with ethereum!

So in emergency go to myetherewallet.com so we can associate your BOTs before the launch
(the first bots of the list are the first serving the customers, so they are the first to earning something)
The plan is to give to all bounty hunters the very first bots, before admitting the rest of the community...

Thank you for taking your time for this information. I am sure it wont only be beneficiary to me but to others as well... Thank you so much. I will send the address to you via PM and in addition on Sunday whatever its going to take in my capacity, we are testing it together on Sunday and on Monday we launch together...

People, as already Gosh told you, you need MIST and you will need some time to download blockchain. I needed aprox. 10hours to download and sync on Windows 10.
So just to help you to make it faster I'd like to share my experience:
1. go into your MIST directory / resources/node/geth and creat bat file with following command: geth.exe --fast --cache 2048  pause  ---- you can use 1024 if you have slow PC
2a. when you launch your bat file you cann get some errors that you can't see if you run only MIST app (if you don't see errors you can wait until christmas to sync blockchain)
2b. After running bat exe I got an error: ''Your computer's clock is not synced'' so I needed some time (2hours) to get my windows 10 to sync with internet time (it was only 2ms out of sync but MIST didn't download blockchain anyway).
3. u need aprox 10GB after download blockchain so if you have a slow connection u better start today
4. and the last but not least you have to somehow import your eth wallet into mist - forget importing. You need another to make another bat file in same directory and  import manualy key into MIST and creat password or like Gosh said jost copy into eth folder

So again if you wish to play the game from the start; start downloading MIST Today

Malayalam Translation completed:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1590307.new#new

Please take a look!

With this your procedure its making it more complicated rather than simplifying it. Download of 10gb is rather expensive in some parts of the world. Maybe someone can give a simpler version or platform on way to go about it. My opinion though

This may be very soon one of the answers

https://status.im/

A browser for mobile, all the world is waiting for this step.

I can't find the 'KEYSTORE FOLDER' what I can find are
Chain data
Dapp
Nodes
Node key folders. Please way forward

If you don't have it inside the ethereum hidden folder, so create it, just near the chaindata. It should be enough... OR once you have Mist use it to create a wallet an Mist will add the folder if missing

If you download the Keystore/json files in myetherwallet.com its able to recieve a bot.Thanks in advance.

Is this a free coin or ico coin? Btw, good luck dev. Building on ethereum is a cool idea. Benefits from solid platform.

No, something different, a new model you' ve never seen.
There 's a web service and the income is shared by the owners of the DAO
The webservice is composed by multiple (assumed to be legal, as opposed to THE_DAO model) web-shops, in the form of BOTS (virtual clerks), serving the incoming customers.
A multiplexer redirects the customers one by one to the bots, mantaining equal the amount of customers served by each bot, and thus producing an income that emulates a financial product (a company with shares), but with the benefits of avoiding the strict rules of financial products.

So you don't buy coins, you buy BOTS, and the BOTS produce an income (ETH) serving the customers (the customers list coins in the DB), that is then collected by the BOTs owners.
The idea is applied to an OPEN DECENTRALIZED DATABASE FOR COINS, since it is relatively easy, and so a good starting point for experimenting this kind of model.

If a good amount of crypto lovers will get some BOTs, there will be of course a good traffic, and the database will reach wide adoption.

Tomorrow on Ethereum TESTNET

Nice developer tomorrow is in testnet phase.But I have a question BOT can listed in exchanges or not.This is the thing that I want to know I BOT can listed in Exchanges.Looking forward to this ARK project.

project with a very brilliant idea . I would be glad to have this

I still can't understand the features of this coin. If you have understood it brilliantly, can you please rephrase to me for better understanding in simple language? Thanks.

This is my understanding and I could be completely wrong: The bots are part of a contract (ARK)  running on the Ethereum network. When services are performed, adding listings etc to the ARK platform, the bots collect fees in terms of ETH and these are paid out to the bot owners.

So... could a part of a contract be sold as individual tokens on a secondary exchange? Interesting question. From the looks of the RESELL-BOT function, you can sell/trade bots within the ARK platform. Just thinking in terms of theDAO tokens, these could be sold independently, and therefore perhaps it is technically possible to sell BOTs as well. If a BOT-asset can be traded on the ARK platform, could it then not be sent to any ETH address, even a third party as an exchange? @Gosh will have to answer that one.

The system is a platform itself for reselling bots (the interface is built in order to manage them).
The contract contains a function that allows to transfer the ownership, however  you will see that the mechanism  you trigger when you resell a bot puts your bot in the hands of the current seller (according to the multiplexer). In few words, when you decide to resell your bot you give a chance to another bot owner to earn something serving the customer coming to buy your bot. Since , at least at the beginning, the fees are high (the community could decide to lower the fees by voting), I see it more like a medium/long term investment approach. During the start sale you canmanually transfer ownership, after the startsale you just put a price and anyone can buy your bot automatically. The thing is that each bot is different, so even if it is possible to delegate the operation to an external contract, each bot is numbered, so you can decide to sell your first bot for 1 eth and your second bot for 2 eth. This with coins is not possible, since all coins are the same.
It is an effort for an exchange to implement this functionality,beeing not properly standard like with Tokens, so I think at the beginning you shouldn't expect to find the exchange your are looking for. The plan is to verify this standard, and then create a platform where anyone can easy build a collaborative market and generate related bots. At that point adapring an exchange in order to accept the standard will be appealing. The Monkeyscage dreams  to reach this standard in few moves, the timetable depends very much by the spread velocity we will experience in the next month.

In few hours we go on testnet so you can see everything by yourself.
If you want to sell as soon as possible, other owners will make money on your decision, so at the moment ARK is for the believers, we could say..
ARK makes money on 6 different services, but it can be extended not only in term of language, but also in term of services and products (there are 20 multiplexers, now only 6 are used and associated to a service). The value of ARK depends very much by the next contract we add  and by the growth of the ecosystem, so in few words , mainly by the next moves of the Monkeyscage. If you are a developer, however, feel free to contact us! ARK is only a first brick, the plan behind ARK is bigger than the Monkeyscage, so there is space for you as well!

I'll be back soon with the testnet link

@Gosh, Do you have a tutorial or a video, etc, on how the ARK works? Just had a look at the testnet site, but clearly I have no idea what I am doing or what to do :)

if you come to the facebook group I answer to all questions.
With the last remaining bounty I hope to find the needed help to produce some decent tutorial.
Lots of things to do so far...
We need also a documentation in order to understand how ARK really works inside (for third party  dapps development)
Sorry for the lack of communication during all this time.
Answering to questions will be the right moment to start producing these documents.
Thanks for understanding.



https://www.facebook.com/groups/1145549175501331/?ref=bookmarks

http://testnet.monkeyscage.org

MassimoFontana

Me & Gosh are sending test-eth on Testnet for people wanting to test ARK.

Give your address here in the forum or at the facebook page on my post and I'll send you 15 test-eth!

Thats awesome to hear. will hold on to my BOTS!

Nice my BOTS doing well if this is system totally complete and it finish the testing in the DAPP im goona hold my BOTS until I earned much to this.More power to you GOSH.

hm how soon i will receive my bots and can test it ?) rly want to test it with mist browser and to know how system is work

ARKDAO will be online at 00:00 CEST

All BOUNTY BOTs delivered to the relative new owners,

you already pay the bounties, please dont sent my bounties to address thats already send to you via PM, i get the address from coinbase so can access the BOT, i will sent you new address if i'm already download the mist. thanks  :)

All bounties have been associated to the address sent. according to all previous instructions and messages and warnings.
If you want to control your BOTs you need your KEYSTORE/JSON file as explained many times.

hello can i still join? here is my etherwallet address:
0xDB22D3EE7dA46F547f4407657eB79d9c772ae44B

thanks

dev whether ark balance bot will look after blockhain eth wallet full download

mainnet started, so testing is over

Hi
Congrats_ for mainnet launch. I wish ARK have great suceess!
I'm not a tech pro. Still learning. I want to ask one thing_ ( maybe its already answed, sorry for that) without using mist is there any way to handle the bot!

Thanks!

whether using ethwallet win7 can see bot ?

There is no instruction how to claim bots.Using My little knowledge I am just find out this.what next I don't have idea.anyone still got can claim bots?
please share how really I can claim bot.thanks

https://i.imgur.com/frmowf6.jpg

is there a complete guide on how to connect and manage the bots guys?

Open mist synchronised and then open ark.

what if the wallet is not full sincron,?

good luck With SSS. Hope this project will succeed !

Do the bots work and earn even if mist is not fully synced?

Got my bots, seems to working fine! Thanks dev

I have two bots earning is i must open my mist wallet and not close.

Mist needs to be open all the time to earn? Im still syncing lol :D

just download and run the mist not fully sync and dont know when to fully sync  :D

and dont know how to connect with BOTs and also check my balance  :D

BOTs work with or without you. no panic.
You don't need to keep Mist open all the time!
Take your time and download the full blockchain.
ARKDAO was deployed few days ago, so it is inside one of the last blocks.

So you must really donwload it all in order to see ARKDAO running.
At the moment ehtereum is still a bit uncomfortable at the beginning.
Mist made everything much easier.
With the incoming mobile browsers, it won't be necessary to have the blockchain at home
(but if you want real security, always do your operations at home, acting locally on your personal copy of the blockchain)

Saw my bots in Mist, great work Gosh!
Now I'll have to learn how to use them and the content listing features of the SSS-ARK.
Besides the facebook page, are there more tutorials available for operators?

is there a way to speed up in order blockhain full ? because I 've run a few days tetpi mist still not fuul well. is there any advice from you for this ?

You could go looking for a Ethereum Bootstrap somewhere, but I only saw a few Chinese sites and I would personally never trust them.
Just let your client do it's thing, it will probably take you a few days for everything to sync up. Restart the client if it gets stuck and let it try to sync up again.

I open mist for 8 hours and nothing received.

Is the blockchain synced? Have you opened the page in Mist? http://www.arkdao.com
Make sure that you are displaying the correct contract in the top of the client as well. Your bots are connected to a specific ETH address, so you need to make sure that your client is showing the contents for that contract.

That's pretty much all I know about the bots at the moment. I haven't had time to try them yet.

How connect to specific adres and what is the specific adres?

Once you downloaded the full blockchain, you 'll be able to see ARKDAO working.
On the top right of the screen you see an icon: CONNECT
click it and select all the wallets you want to use with ARKDAO
Mist will remember your selection in order to simplify your life
Then on the bottom of the screen you will see ARKDAO wallet module
With a dropdown list where you can select a specific wallet
Select the wallet associated to your BOTS
Mist will show your BOTS as buttons
click one and jump to the relative BOT

My wallet is synchronised and i found they 2 bots for sale
http://imgur.com/a/4haQV
Top right of screen?
This picture is ark up http://imgur.com/a/F3Y6j
this is down http://imgur.com/a/l71Ar

not bad gosh ... but why we need this system if we have coinmarketcap?

Because coinmarketcap decides what is listed and what not.
Here YOU decide.
Because coinmarketcap earns 100 dollars for every 15000 view. and you get nothing...
Here if there is money you get them...

Now you can't create or modify coins with coinmarketcap. Can you?

Looking for TAMIL VAZGHA, he bought a bot 4 days ago.
He got a replay attack.
Just to let him know.
If you are that guy feel free to contact me.
Someone stole some of your money (1 ETC)
I can see the ETC on ETC network, associated to the same address of ARKDAO
(there is no way to get them back , they will stay there forever - just take care of what you do - split your ETH to prevent any replay attack before you do anything on ethereum, maybe you got stolen more in the last month, pay attention!)


see the replayed ETC here :

http://etherscan.io/address/0x37b4869e73B7cE1284D6502B01aC81d500b50237

(+1 ETC that shouldn't be there!)

This is the transparency I love to see in anyone I am dealing with. ARK is design to detect accidental money and nobody can touch it not even the programmer... Safest way of investing I know...

someone please upload a reliable bootstrap. i have been trying to sync for more than 20 days without success :(


Make sure to forward your 30303 port guys if you're behind a router. That should help you to get 25 peers pretty fast.

are you using mist gui or geth command com to sync!? You should use geth command com to download bootstrap to see where the problem is. I had the problem with clock sync in Windows that was not visible in mist gui.

That's all great but we need to get more coins into ARK if we wish to move this boat. Maybe Dev should make a twiter campaign to coin devs or PM them.

And another thing would be great to have some web page (maybe http://ark.monkeyscage.org) where users that don't have Mist can at least can browse thru listed coins.

It is one of the thing that must be done, and a quite big bounty will be set for who helps setting up a node, so to have the site visible to the internet at least in term of "reading".
I am working on Flood. With flood anyone can setup a cypto.
When you create a new coin included in the price you push it to ARKDAO (Flood pays 1 ETH to ARKDAO and publishes automatically)
So the plan isn't really to "contact all con-devs" (it would be anyway a winning strategy, this is an interesting discussion), but to "take all people and transform them into coin-devs".

All limited resources of the Monkeyscage at the moment are focused on tools.
Flood is ready. The connection to ARKDAO still not (maybe tonight?)
I would like to launch it next monday (hehe let's see)
Don't feel abandoned by Monkeyscage. Now you know what kind of "structural" plan is ongoing.
You have a shop now! You know how I plan to bring traffic, and about you... you know more or less how to bring traffic on the internet.
You don't need to kill yourself "spamming like a bitch", you have a shop, just talk about it in the right place and at the right moment.

How to create group-strategies?
a very good and very interesting question
If the monkeyscage can help... the monkeys are listening (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHB1sQ_L-k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHB1sQ_L-k))

I also want to add that if we really want ARK to meet its objective then we BOTS owners need to make it happen. There is nothing wrong with Gosh bringing traffic but we can also multiply it by our own effort. I think we can start by recommending to coins developer to list on ARKDAO even on this forum...

I tell you in advance that: the bigger the coin => the less they have interest
Different is for little growing projects, expecially if they see some kind of active community

Nice Gosh Im waiting to get your node set-up and running well.ARKDAO is doing well.In my opinion to get ARKDAO more exposure to the public like Simple858 said  bounties help but Im think make a marketing strategy to achieve more traffic and knowing ARKDAO.

Gosh is really busy with the next big thing in crypto which is going to be link to ARK and that is "FLOOD' with that  ARK is on the map. ... @galer what do you suggests or have in mind? Because its not really about Gosh any longer but US too..

Im suggesting the possibility to get more exposure of ARKDAO in public like promotional campaign its hard but its works.We can discuss it by sending me a private message.

Maybe a good promotion campaign would be to start sending offers to get listed for 1ETH to DEVs with coins that are active/new/ICO and are not yet listed on Coinmarketcap and those that are on coinmarketcap under top 100~200 but don't get so much exposure as they would like. After we would build some list I guess all the big coins (top 100) would contact ARKDAO by themselves to list them (at that point listing price would be expensier - maybe 10~50ETH or even more per coin)?

A first communication was established between flood and testnet.arkdao
There are still details to fix
this weekend the work should be completed.

good luck with flood Gosh!

Hi Gosh!
Do you have more info on this flood project? Also, could it be possible, sometime down the line, to view the coin listings outside of the MIST browser?

Flood is under test.
Later (soon as possible) a mobile interface will come putting together the informations of flood and those of arkdao
So the job will be done once and the result will be directly integrated.

Flood i snow working. Now testing Flood coins!

Finally, its happening,is there room for volunteer testers @Gosh. I would want to be part of this...

Almost There!

Nice Gosh this project nearly complete now I excited to see this ARKDAO complete and offering services now like coin listings I hope can see this month.

I did spread the word about ARKDAO to some miners. It should bring some extra attention to the project  :)

Any new guys here having some questions, please don't hesitate to post it on the thread. Someone should help you out

Gosh can you please post some timeline for Flood

The world is waiting and the monkeys are listening...#spreading ark

And we are still waiting...

And we are still waiting...

Is this thread dead or did the discussion move elsewhere..?

Yes. I don't know this project will be continues or fail  :-\ nothing news update here

Hello! Anybody here?!!? The main developer said once the ethereum network is fixed, the project will be restarted. It seems like ethereum network is working fine, but no news or anything from ARKDAO. Can someone share any details? Thanks in advance!

What is happening here? I was watching it, sadly no "real progress" yet :/

Just letting ya'll know, this ARKDAO has nothing to do with our project ARK.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1649695.0

thanks but this project seems almost dead! it is true?

yes. It seems like dead. Time to move on then.

Yes it looks like this project less goes well, maybe no one glance at this project, perhaps the concept less interesting, but the success or failure of a project depends on it. Hopefully this project smoothly.