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Title: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on August 11, 2016, 11:43:03 AM

Singer Jamal from Ukraine with the song "1944" on the deportation of the Crimean Russian people took to the Eurovision Song Contest 2016 the first place. World gave the highest mark to remind the performer of the human tragedy and the brutality of the Russian authorities, who to this day continue to haunt the Crimean Tatars to consolidate the their homeland.

Alik Bakhshi

Whose Crimea

    Frankly cynical and barefaced blatant attempt by Moscow to push its corrupt henchman in the election of the Ukrainian president has caused anger and indignation of the people of Ukraine and was the cause of the Orange Revolution occurred. Moreover, once the Kremlin's political failure finally led Ukraine from Russian influence and initiated the political direction of the country towards the United Europe. Updated Ukraine is not without reason sees in her political protection from Moscow indispensable future encroachments and hopes for economic assistance to the West. Provocation Russian gas supplies to Ukraine in winter, wearing clearly registered political character was edinodushno condemned the West, which shows the understanding of the danger exposed by the Empire young independent state.

   The loss of Ukraine greatly alter the geopolitical situation in the Russian Black Sea basin in the strategic plan. Deprived of the Crimea and Odessa, the Russian Black Sea fleet is already squeezed in the confined space of the Black Sea (in the case of war, the Bosphorus slams) does is trapped in the waters of Novorossiysk and in the shallow waters of the Azov Sea. In the future, the entire south-western flank of the Russian Empire almost remained without cover fleet. The only real way out of a difficult situation for Russia is to keep the port of Sevastopol after the end of the lease it from the Ukraine, and even better to recapture the entire Crimea. Russia considers Ukraine a lifetime of their ancestral lands, and therefore gave her the Crimea, the conquest of which cost Russia a lot of effort in the last Russian-Turkish wars. Of course, the Kremlin leaders could not think how inglorious end expects the USSR, and even more so that the Ukrainian people, the most fraternal of all fraternal peoples, suddenly wants to self-administer their own destiny.

   Who could have foreseen the Kremlin politicians that Ukraine will gain the status of an independent state, or the Crimean peninsula would not be a simple stroke of the pen was introduced in the Ukraine. However, here we must take into account one very important fact, which everyone as if accidentally forgotten, namely, that the Crimean peninsula was never a native Russian land, or, Crimea not, under any circumstances, would not be transferred to Ukraine. In one Russian warriors are right Crimea, is that the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine or Kievan Rus, let alone Ukraine, historically controlled the territory. In the dispute over Crimea forget the indigenous peoples who have been forcibly displaced from their native land for showing (although quite understandable) sympathy for the Germans during the Second World War. But even with this in mind, this punishment of an entire people is unprecedented and cruel. Then we would have with the Hungarians and Romanians deported somewhere in Yakutia. What Romanians, Germans themselves as the main culprits, move, say, to the North Pole.

The Crimean Tatars have disappeared in an instant by the will of the famous leader - the father of all peoples comrade. Stalin. It was the people, and gone forever. By the way, it is appropriate to note a very important historical fact reflected in a letter to the leaders of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee Mihoelsa, Feffer, Epstein Stalin, on the subject of creation in Crimea of the Jewish Autonomous Republic.

 In a letter registered office of the Stalin dated 15 February 1944, ie before the Crimean liberation and to the mass deportation of the indigenous people - Crimean Tatars, the leaders of the JAC Mikhoels, Epstein, Feffer proposed to create in the Crimea, no more no less, the Soviet Jewish socialist republic, arguing that it is associated with a happy fate of an entire people (http://scepsis.net/library/id_1632.html):
"With a view to the normalization of economic growth and development of Soviet Jewish culture, in order to maximize the mobilization of all forces of the Jewish people for the benefit of the Soviet homeland in order to complete the equation the situation of the Jewish masses among the fraternal peoples, we believe timely and appropriate, in the order of the decision of post-war problems of the question on the establishment of a Jewish Soviet socialist republic.
It seems to us that one of the most suitable areas was to the Crimea, which is most relevant to the requirements both in terms of roominess for relocation, and because of the existing successful experience in the development of the Jewish national districts there.
Creating a Jewish Soviet republic would just always allowed in a Bolshevik, in the spirit of the Leninist-Stalinist national policy issue of state-legal status of the Jewish people and the further development of its centuries-old culture. no one has been able to resolve this problem for many centuries, and it can only be solved in your great socialist country.
The construction of the Jewish Soviet republic would have given us considerable assistance and Jewish masses all over the world, wherever they may be "

   Stalin, perfectly understanding the influence of American Jews in the American policy, organized in 1942, the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, not just any international, namely Hebrew, in order to obtain assistance from America. Perhaps due to this circumstance, Roosevelt talks with Churchill and Stalin for the post-war world was inclined to listen to more of the latter, which subsequently turned out for America's Cold War. The leaders of the JAC, having great authority in America, and receiving direct financial support, it seems, feel great politicians, because the letter was similar to their request, and does not really request. While Stalin was understandably hesitated, Jewish Committee in 1944 have not demanded autonomy in Crimea, and the creation of the Jewish Soviet Socialist Republic, like other national republics, one can assume, and resulted in the decision to deport the indigenous people of Crimea. Over time, when Stalin no longer needed in America, he shot all imagines himself equal to his Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee leaders.
 
    Recently, the remnants of the Crimean people are trying to revive their community in their historical homeland, which negatively assessed the Russian media. Information, verging sometimes hysterical, that a potential threat subjected to almost all the international community in the case of the return of the Crimean Tatars, ie Muslims, it emphasizes especially on their land. This is understandable, because the indigenous people will fight to the death for their country, and if the Russian will take in head to regain the Crimea, they will get a second Chechnya. It is understood by the authorities in Kiev and apparently, so do not obstruct the restoration of the Crimean Tatar community, which in the future can count on autonomy within Ukraine. If the Jewish people have a right to their homeland after two thousand years, and the Crimean Tatars have no less right to live in their homeland, especially since only fifty years after the deportation.

    In this aspect, Russia claims to the Crimea deprived not only logic, but also immoral by the very nature and can be considered only in terms of the aggressive policy of the empire, which is agonizing, unfortunately ever more shows fangs.


06.02.06.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: umairsaleem011 on August 12, 2016, 07:09:03 AM
Crimea is the land with the river that Justin Timberlake was singing about.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Nemo1024 on August 23, 2016, 06:28:30 PM
Shell we call Crimea by it's original name - Tavridia? Crimea of (Kirim) is a Tatar name, which stuck to the peninsular during the Tatar-Mongol occupation of Russia, when most of the igneous population of Russians, Greeks and Jews were enslaved or killed off.

Maybe the poster should actually bother with some historic research as to where Saint Vladimir was Christened, before he officially Christened Rus in Kiev (hint: on Tavridia)?



Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Racey on August 23, 2016, 07:50:06 PM
Really glad that Crimea took matters into safe hands by democratic vote they accepted to rejoin Russia.
Otherwise it would have been a terrible bloodbath, they are now protected by the sane, instead of the insane.

The West deems it very differently though, through lies.
Not putting one example of it here, not worth what they said about it. 


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on August 23, 2016, 08:10:09 PM
Shell we call Crimea by it's original name - Tavridia? Crimea of (Kirim) is a Tatar name, which stuck to the peninsular during the Tatar-Mongol occupation of Russia, when most of the igneous population of Russians, Greeks and Jews were enslaved or killed off.

Maybe the poster should actually bother with some historic research as to where Saint Vladimir was Christened, before he officially Christened Rus in Kiev (hint: on Tavridia)?



Russian has never lived in the Crimea, to his Russian conquest in 1783. That is, the Russian did not live in the Crimea until the Mongol conquest of Russia.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 24, 2016, 03:44:47 PM
Shell we call Crimea by it's original name - Tavridia? Crimea of (Kirim) is a Tatar name, which stuck to the peninsular during the Tatar-Mongol occupation of Russia, when most of the igneous population of Russians, Greeks and Jews were enslaved or killed off.

Maybe the poster should actually bother with some historic research as to where Saint Vladimir was Christened, before he officially Christened Rus in Kiev (hint: on Tavridia)?



Russian has never lived in the Crimea, to his Russian conquest in 1783. That is, the Russian did not live in the Crimea until the Mongol conquest of Russia.

Crimea is historic Russian and Ukrainian homeland. Mongols from the East have no place in Crimea.

The so called Crimean Tatars first arrives in Crimea during the Mongol invasion of Russia. Before that, for thousands of years, it was inhabited by Slavs and other Christian groups such as Greeks and Armenians. As Nemo pointed out, after invading Crimea the Mongols (i.e Tatars) either exterminated or enslaved the native Slavic population.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on August 24, 2016, 06:04:59 PM
Shell we call Crimea by it's original name - Tavridia? Crimea of (Kirim) is a Tatar name, which stuck to the peninsular during the Tatar-Mongol occupation of Russia, when most of the igneous population of Russians, Greeks and Jews were enslaved or killed off.

Maybe the poster should actually bother with some historic research as to where Saint Vladimir was Christened, before he officially Christened Rus in Kiev (hint: on Tavridia)?



Russian has never lived in the Crimea, to his Russian conquest in 1783. That is, the Russian did not live in the Crimea until the Mongol conquest of Russia.

Crimea is historic Russian and Ukrainian homeland. Mongols from the East have no place in Crimea.

The so called Crimean Tatars first arrives in Crimea during the Mongol invasion of Russia. Before that, for thousands of years, it was inhabited by Slavs and other Christian groups such as Greeks and Armenians. As Nemo pointed out, after invading Crimea the Mongols (i.e Tatars) either exterminated or enslaved the native Slavic population.


I'm sorry, but you do or do not know the history or deliberately lying. As is known, the Crimea and the South-eastern part of present-day Ukraine, as well as part of the territory inhabited by the Scythians of South Russia, which have no relation to the Slavs because they were Iranian-speaking people. With regard to the Crimea, the Greeks colonized the only edge of the coastal part of the Crimea, and never possessed the entire Crimea. Next, the Scythians vanished into history, they were replaced by Turkic people, the Khazars, Pechenegs, Cumans, and then came to the Crimea Tatars, and Russian have appeared in Crimea in 1783. Since then, as a result of the extermination of the Crimean Tatars, which continues to this day, from the indigenous people of Crimea were crumbs. And I want to say that whether Crimea true Russian territory, it would never have passed the Ukraine. 


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 24, 2016, 06:42:47 PM
^^^^ You need to educate yourself about the history of Crimea.

Crimea was part of the Roman Empire. Once the Roman Empire crumbled, Crimea was occupied by European groups such as Goths (Germans), Huns, and Bulgars. After that, it came under the possession of the Slavs.

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In the mid-10th century, the eastern area of Crimea was conquered by Prince Sviatoslav I of Kiev and became part of the Kievan Rus' principality of Tmutarakan. In 988, Prince Vladimir I of Kiev also captured the Byzantine town of Chersonesos (presently part of Sevastopol) where he later converted to Christianity. An impressive Russian Orthodox cathedral marks the location of this historic event.

Mongol invasion started in 1238. And that is how the Mongols (Tatars) arrived in Crimea.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on August 24, 2016, 08:48:15 PM
^^^^ You need to educate yourself about the history of Crimea.

Crimea was part of the Roman Empire. Once the Roman Empire crumbled, Crimea was occupied by European groups such as Goths (Germans), Huns, and Bulgars. After that, it came under the possession of the Slavs.

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In the mid-10th century, the eastern area of Crimea was conquered by Prince Sviatoslav I of Kiev and became part of the Kievan Rus' principality of Tmutarakan. In 988, Prince Vladimir I of Kiev also captured the Byzantine town of Chersonesos (presently part of Sevastopol) where he later converted to Christianity. An impressive Russian Orthodox cathedral marks the location of this historic event.

Mongol invasion started in 1238. And that is how the Mongols (Tatars) arrived in Crimea.

The Tartars  lived in the Crimea before the Slavs.
 This is history.
With regard Tmutarakan, it hazaraky city and the name of its Turkic. The Tatars in Crimea lived up to the capture of Russian Crimea. This is history.
With regard Tmutarakan, it hazaraky city and the name of its Turkic. With regard to the place of baptism of Prince Vladimir, then it is not known exactly, some believe Kiev, other Byzantine city of Hersonissos. But the fact of baptism does not prove in Hersonissos, a place that became Russian.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Masha Sha on August 25, 2016, 09:24:48 AM
Anyway past is history and the future belong to Russia. All oppositions to Crimea being part of the Russian Federation will be relayed to the dust bin of history.

Once the bridge is finished time to move and cease the coastal area and merge it by land with the all. The west is absolutely destabilized... As soon as it start to free fall: action.

Personally I would strongly support to clip those ukies on the west... Single pass... Just at least for once they see what a real military full superiority engagement looks like. And so that they will never forget... It has return to the motherland and will stay like this: accept it or die. Chose wisely.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: igorokavg13 on September 17, 2016, 04:22:01 PM
Crimea belongs to Ukraine. You can not just go and pick up a piece of land. Even if they belonged once Russia. It is necessary to respect the borders of neighboring states. After all this, and there is an international agreement to abide by them.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Masha Sha on September 17, 2016, 04:24:28 PM
Crimea belongs to Ukraine. You can not just go and pick up a piece of land. Even if they belonged once Russia. It is necessary to respect the borders of neighboring states. After all this, and there is an international agreement to abide by them.

Don't you believe (independently of the reality on the ground) that some people may chose to change state? If the Crimeans want to be a territory of Russia why couldn't they? Isn't self determination not only becoming independent but equally the right to ask to join another country? If a part of Russia wanted to become Ukrainian would you see a problem in it?


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Racey on September 17, 2016, 04:41:53 PM
Crimea belongs to Ukraine. You can not just go and pick up a piece of land. Even if they belonged once Russia. It is necessary to respect the borders of neighboring states. After all this, and there is an international agreement to abide by them.

I think respecting the will of the people who voted to fuck off from Ukraine, was highly admirable indeed.
That is what you call real democracy at work.
Otherwise a blood bath would have been propagated, by those Yankee corrupt money take all puppets. 


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Masha Sha on September 17, 2016, 04:46:10 PM
Crimea belongs to Ukraine. You can not just go and pick up a piece of land. Even if they belonged once Russia. It is necessary to respect the borders of neighboring states. After all this, and there is an international agreement to abide by them.

I think respecting the will of the people who voted to fuck off from Ukraine, was highly admirable indeed.
That is what you call real democracy at work.
Otherwise a blood bath would have been propagated, by those Yankee corrupt money take all puppets. 

This were I don't agree... an hostile take over took place in the us. So the Yankees can't be held accountable on the deeds of their occupational gov but only on not removing it earlier. Obama could well become the tipping point and from there a restauration to the resilience and foresight of the constitution can easily be reestablished.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Racey on September 17, 2016, 06:02:37 PM
The Ukrainian government are the puppets, doing the dirty deeds, and corrupt to boot.
Power struggles have been going on for a long time now, and of course any one from Crimea, that wanted to leave Ukraine, should have had the backing of the West.
They did leave democratically, but the West say otherwise, now they are stupid for even saying it, they themselves support uprisings against governments that they deem unfit, and call it democracy, they don't know their arse from their elbow, only two faced comments will do, double standards as per usual.

Can you be more specific on this?

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an hostile take over took place in the us

What take over in the US, What has this to do with UKraine?

Please tell me what Obama can do..... Nuland/Regime change FAIL or McCain/Ukraine's destiny lay in Europe  ;D

How Hillary Clinton Is Responsible For Civil War In Ukraine and The Possible War With Russia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6N3K5VFcUs)


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Masha Sha on September 17, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
The Ukrainian government are the puppets, doing the dirty deeds, and corrupt to boot.
Power struggles have been going on for a long time now, and of course any one from Crimea, that wanted to leave Ukraine, should have had the backing of the West.
They did leave democratically, but the West say otherwise, now they are stupid for even saying it, they themselves support uprisings against governments that they deem unfit, and call it democracy, they don't know their arse from their elbow, only two faced comments will do, double standards as per usual.

Can you be more specific on this?

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an hostile take over took place in the us

What take over in the US, What has this to do with UKraine?

Please tell me what Obama can do..... Nuland/Regime change FAIL or McCain/Ukraine's destiny lay in Europe  ;D

How Hillary Clinton Is Responsible For Civil War In Ukraine and The Possible War With Russia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6N3K5VFcUs)

It's hard to know who is in the take over or not. For example look at the media conspiracy to bash trump... I would say that it's a consortium of corporations that couldn't survive in the orginial USA. For example gmo labeling is not the norm... or how fracking is allowed to pollute waters, how nuke plant don't have insurances or how banks who failed didn't get wiped out, or how like censorship is practiced by certain social media and finally how us laws are superseded by international laws... you can take even the coming loss of icann.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: mindrust on September 17, 2016, 07:29:27 PM
According to the latest referandum, Crimea belongs to Russia. People live there voted for this and it is done. They didn't want to stay with Ukraine, they have chosen to join Russia. A big kick to the Ukraine and Europe. In the 21th century, Russia gained land. That's a huuuge huge huge success for Russia.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: virtualx on September 17, 2016, 08:14:10 PM
According to the latest referandum, Crimea belongs to Russia. People live there voted for this and it is done. They didn't want to stay with Ukraine, they have chosen to join Russia. A big kick to the Ukraine and Europe. In the 21th century, Russia gained land. That's a huuuge huge huge success for Russia.
You have a Turkish background. Kurds voted for independence. Do you have the same opinion about Kurdistan?


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: mindrust on September 17, 2016, 10:19:02 PM
According to the latest referandum, Crimea belongs to Russia. People live there voted for this and it is done. They didn't want to stay with Ukraine, they have chosen to join Russia. A big kick to the Ukraine and Europe. In the 21th century, Russia gained land. That's a huuuge huge huge success for Russia.
You have a Turkish background. Kurds voted for independence. Do you have the same opinion about Kurdistan?

Yes. They can have their stinking land. I wont ever go there so I don't care.

 But you have been misinformed about something. It not only the land they demand. They also want the infrastructure and money. They don't want to become independent in instant because they will get fucked in instant. That won't work.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: LTU_btc on September 17, 2016, 10:36:13 PM
"People voted on referandum to join Russia" Not exactly that. Firstly Russia send their army forces to Crimea, they beated Ukraine army. And only then was referandum, which was controlled by Russia, so it wasn't 100% free people choice. This is why almost all countries didn't accepted Crimea as part of Russia. I would understand if Crimea would had referandum without Russia intervention.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: mindrust on September 17, 2016, 10:54:05 PM
"People voted on referandum to join Russia" Not exactly that. Firstly Russia send their army forces to Crimea, they beated Ukraine army. And only then was referandum, which was controlled by Russia, so it wasn't 100% free people choice. This is why almost all countries didn't accepted Crimea as part of Russia. I would understand if Crimea would had referandum without Russia intervention.

So according to your view, they literally occupied the land. Well, that was always the way how it worked since the beginning. If you are strong you go and you take what you want. "survival of the fittest" Ukraine didn't have the power to hold Crimea, so Russia took it from Ukraine. No big deal.

You don't give your land just because they asked it. You fight for it and the stronger wins.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Masha Sha on September 18, 2016, 01:01:56 AM
According to the latest referandum, Crimea belongs to Russia. People live there voted for this and it is done. They didn't want to stay with Ukraine, they have chosen to join Russia. A big kick to the Ukraine and Europe. In the 21th century, Russia gained land. That's a huuuge huge huge success for Russia.
You have a Turkish background. Kurds voted for independence. Do you have the same opinion about Kurdistan?

Yes totally! Self determination... it's not ideal... but it's already a progress. What is funny is that Crimean have the right to a peaceful life while the Syrians (who like the novorossians) wanted a new life are forbidden and killed. Lame, sad and weak.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on September 29, 2017, 02:09:36 PM
The UN Human Rights Mission has found in the Crimea serious violations and even such as kidnapping, torture and cases of extrajudicial execution, let alone forcibly coercing people to transfer to Russian citizenship. http://www.interfax.ru/russia/580452?utm_source=mst_rd

Moscow's reaction is interesting: "We believe that this is not in the competence of the observation mission." That's nothing more or less. And what then should be in the competence of the human rights mission? Someone can give a reasonable answer to this question.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Nalbo on September 29, 2017, 02:25:46 PM
I've been to Crimea before the annexation.
I don't think the people there would have any difference living in Russia or Ukraine.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Jerry_Hype on October 31, 2017, 08:29:36 PM
Really glad that Crimea took matters into safe hands by democratic vote they accepted to rejoin Russia.
Otherwise it would have been a terrible bloodbath, they are now protected by the sane, instead of the insane.



Maybe. Just people in Crimea get the poorer as in other areas.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: nagatraju on October 31, 2017, 09:47:18 PM
I have one question brewing - why they need more land, if they can't develop their 6,5 mln sq miles - the normal life, as I understand it, is only in Moscow and St. Petersburg, and everything else is a poor and undeveloped village...


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: LeonardoDiCrypto on October 31, 2017, 10:15:41 PM
It is very easy to know whose Crimea: just ask the Crimean people. Incidentally this already happened. You don't like the result? Well, then ask them again, don't just pretend you know better than them.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Sithara007 on November 01, 2017, 02:26:08 AM
It is very easy to know whose Crimea: just ask the Crimean people. Incidentally this already happened. You don't like the result? Well, then ask them again, don't just pretend you know better than them.

Exactly. More than 95% of the Crimeans want to be part of Russia and many of the western agencies have also confirmed this in their opinion polls and surveys. Only a section of the Muslim Tatars don't want to be a part of Russia. But they don't want Crimea to be a part of Ukraine either. They are more interested in merging the peninsula with Turkey.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: valid46 on November 02, 2017, 05:20:50 PM
There is no metter to ask whose Crimea. I think all normal people, who chek news and don`t believe fakes, knows, that this is a part of Ukraine


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Nikola95 on November 02, 2017, 06:00:43 PM
Crimea belongs to Ukraine. You can not just go and pick up a piece of land. Even if they belonged once Russia. It is necessary to respect the borders of neighboring states. After all this, and there is an international agreement to abide by them.

There is no international agreement that is respected in all of cases. Many countries broke it when they have interest in it. You say it is necessary to respect borders of neighboring states. By me, it is more necessary to respect wish of Crimean people than people from Kiev, or Lviv who are thousands km away from Crimea.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Basmic on November 02, 2017, 06:20:46 PM
What's the question? Of course Crimea is Ukraine. There is a recognized UN borders and they should not be changed. The fact that the Russian saying about the referendum is a lie. It was not and it will never be recognized. Even if residents don't like the government then they always have the opportunity to change it at elections or to emigrate. No one can separate territory.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Maks123 on November 03, 2017, 05:53:17 AM
Azerbaijani moron got to the English forum? do not listen to this idiot, his head is not in order.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on July 26, 2018, 12:22:47 PM
So, "The US State Department issued the" Crimean Declaration ", in which the official policy of the United States is the refusal to recognize Crimea as part of Russia.

"Together with the allies, partners and the international community of the USA, they reject the attempt of Russia to annex Crimea and promise to support this policy until the territorial integrity of Ukraine is restored," the statement signed by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said.

It is interesting that "The document contains a reference to the declaration of Welles 1940, according to which the United States formally refused to recognize Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia as part of the USSR Formally it operated until the collapse of the Soviet Union." https://iz.ru/770885/2018-07-25/gosd...-statuse-kryma

NATO countries supported the "Crimean Declaration".


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: CordandAN on August 11, 2018, 09:40:35 PM
Here's an unbiased point of view by Sir Roderic Lyne speaking at UCL (University College London). Verdict: it's neither Russian, nor Ukrainian. It should belong to Tartars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZkAf78D9Ks


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on December 13, 2018, 05:37:55 PM
The International Criminal Court in The Hague qualified the accession of the peninsula to Russia as an “international armed conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine”.

At the moment, the “evidence of the crimes of Russia that it has committed and is committing in the Crimea, in particular, crimes against humanity” provided by the Ukrainian side are being studied in The Hague. https://politobzor.net/183399-na-ukr...zen.yandex.com


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Waradlain on December 13, 2018, 11:06:08 PM
The International Criminal Court in The Hague qualified the accession of the peninsula to Russia as an “international armed conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine”.

At the moment, the “evidence of the crimes of Russia that it has committed and is committing in the Crimea, in particular, crimes against humanity” provided by the Ukrainian side are being studied in The Hague. https://politobzor.net/183399-na-ukr...zen.yandex.com

Man your source doesn't look good I don't think someone will ever click that yandex.com crap.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on December 14, 2018, 06:39:03 AM
The International Criminal Court in The Hague qualified the accession of the peninsula to Russia as an “international armed conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine”.

At the moment, the “evidence of the crimes of Russia that it has committed and is committing in the Crimea, in particular, crimes against humanity” provided by the Ukrainian side are being studied in The Hague. https://politobzor.net/183399-na-ukr...zen.yandex.com

Man your source doesn't look good I don't think someone will ever click that yandex.com crap.

The decision of the Hague court on the annexation of Crimea by Russia will not change from the source of the link.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on September 19, 2022, 07:48:08 AM
In this article from 2006, I foresaw that Russia would attack Ukraine and annex Crimea.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on September 19, 2022, 01:24:56 PM
In this article from 2006, I foresaw that Russia would attack Ukraine and annex Crimea.

Anybody can guess an obvious happening. Lots of people foresaw a bit of war. After all, when Ukraine is stupid enough to mess with Russia, anybody can see that a time will come where Russia will fight back.

Haven't you ever heard the saying, "Give a monkey a keyboard, and he will certainly type a word sometime?" Good guess in your predictions.

Btw, Crimea voted for Russian strength to come back to them.

8)


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: suzanne5223 on September 19, 2022, 01:40:48 PM
Crimea belongs to Ukraine. You can not just go and pick up a piece of land. Even if they belonged once Russia. It is necessary to respect the borders of neighboring states. After all this, and there is an international agreement to abide by them.

Don't you believe (independently of the reality on the ground) that some people may chose to change state? If the Crimeans want to be a territory of Russia why couldn't they? Isn't self determination not only becoming independent but equally the right to ask to join another country? If a part of Russia wanted to become Ukrainian would you see a problem in it?
There's no doubt that Crimea once belonged to the Russians before it was legally owned by Ukraine. If Crimea wants to change its state there's always a way to do it legally not through weapons and like the user said it is important to respect the neighboring country's border until the move is complete.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on September 20, 2022, 01:40:57 PM
Russian claims to Crimea don't have anything to do with ownership. Even Putin couldn't exercise his ownership of Russia if he owned it all!

Russian claims to Crimea have to do with governmental protection. While people in Crimea have all kinds of ideas about Russian protection, it seems that the majority of them would rather be protected by Russian governmental ideals than their own. They voted Russia in.

Why would they vote Russia in? Why not use their own self-governing? Because they are smart enough to realize that they AREN'T smart enough to effectively govern themselves.

Whoever was in charge of Crimea before they brought Russia back to themselves, realized that they needed a strong government that they didn't have. Now that they got Russia (back), they will have to pay taxes to Russia in one form or another. But they would have had to pay taxes to anybody for any protection.

Russian success, while not success in taking over the world, is still great success in Eastern-Europe/Western-Asia. Let's use this success by joining Russia... says Crimea.

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Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on September 21, 2022, 05:37:29 AM
In connection with the shelling of Crimea by Ukrainians, which will become more intense with the receipt of long-range missiles from the West, the population is leaving Crimea. To prevent the outflow of the Russian population from Crimea, Moscow closed the Crimean bridge to civilian traffic.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on October 14, 2022, 09:04:37 AM
Biden agreed to the supply of longer-range missiles to Ukraine in response to Russian shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory. These missiles can reach Sevastopol and the Crimean bridge.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on October 14, 2022, 02:43:42 PM
Biden agreed to the supply of longer-range missiles to Ukraine in response to Russian shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory. These missiles can reach Sevastopol and the Crimean bridge.

Russia is moving armament into Belarus right now. There won't be any Ukraine left for the US to send missiles to, by the time Biden finally gets around to it.

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Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on October 14, 2022, 05:08:09 PM

Russia is moving armament into Belarus right now. There won't be any Ukraine left for the US to send missiles to, by the time Biden finally gets around to it.


The participation of Belarus in the war will put an end to Lukoshenko's power even faster, who, together with Putin, will be under the tribunal.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on October 14, 2022, 06:15:19 PM

Russia is moving armament into Belarus right now. There won't be any Ukraine left for the US to send missiles to, by the time Biden finally gets around to it.


The participation of Belarus in the war will put an end to Lukoshenko's power even faster, who, together with Putin, will be under the tribunal.

They are part of the tribunal. At least, tribunal advisors.     8)


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on October 14, 2022, 06:58:33 PM

Russia is moving armament into Belarus right now. There won't be any Ukraine left for the US to send missiles to, by the time Biden finally gets around to it.


The participation of Belarus in the war will put an end to Lukoshenko's power even faster, who, together with Putin, will be under the tribunal.

They are part of the tribunal. At least, tribunal advisors.     8)

 You are clearly far from reality. Dear, I'm talking about the trebbling over Putin and his entourage, who will be judged as Hitler's Nazis.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on October 14, 2022, 07:02:37 PM

Russia is moving armament into Belarus right now. There won't be any Ukraine left for the US to send missiles to, by the time Biden finally gets around to it.


The participation of Belarus in the war will put an end to Lukoshenko's power even faster, who, together with Putin, will be under the tribunal.

They are part of the tribunal. At least, tribunal advisors.     8)

 You are clearly far from reality. Dear, I'm talking about the trebbling over Putin and his entourage, who will be judged as Hitler's Nazis.

All I am showing is that you are way mistaken about that. Putin/Russia is a world power strong enough to be the tribunal. The US isn't strong enough to judge Putin or Russia for real. Nobody else on earth is either.

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Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on October 15, 2022, 10:13:42 AM


The participation of Belarus in the war will put an end to Lukoshenko's power even faster, who, together with Putin, will be under the tribunal.


All I am showing is that you are way mistaken about that. Putin/Russia is a world power strong enough to be the tribunal. The US isn't strong enough to judge Putin or Russia for real. Nobody else on earth is either.


Putin will be condemned like the German Nazis who were hanged.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on October 15, 2022, 07:47:21 PM


The participation of Belarus in the war will put an end to Lukoshenko's power even faster, who, together with Putin, will be under the tribunal.

All I am showing is that you are way mistaken about that. Putin/Russia is a world power strong enough to be the tribunal. The US isn't strong enough to judge Putin or Russia for real. Nobody else on earth is either.


Putin will be condemned like the German Nazis who were hanged.


You are condemning Putin all the time. So what? You don't have the power to punish him. Nobody else does either.

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Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on October 17, 2022, 10:21:33 AM


The participation of Belarus in the war will put an end to Lukoshenko's power even faster, who, together with Putin, will be under the tribunal.

All I am showing is that you are way mistaken about that. Putin/Russia is a world power strong enough to be the tribunal. The US isn't strong enough to judge Putin or Russia for real. Nobody else on earth is either.


Putin will be condemned like the German Nazis who were hanged.


You are condemning Putin all the time. So what? You don't have the power to punish him. Nobody else does either.


How does it not! And Ukraine? Ukraine is waging war with Russia not only for freedom, but also to punish Russian Nazi criminals led by Putin. An example of this is World War II and its finale.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on October 17, 2022, 10:55:29 AM

You are condemning Putin all the time. So what? You don't have the power to punish him. Nobody else does either.


How does it not! And Ukraine? Ukraine is waging war with Russia not only for freedom, but also to punish Russian Nazi criminals led by Putin. An example of this is World War II and its finale.

Who do you think has the power to punish Putin? Only God. But Putin is punishing Zelensky, and God will punish Zelensky, too.

The Ukrainian people are divided. Many support Russia. You know it by the way they voted in Donbas down to Crimea, to join Russia. That's why Russia took this part of the land first.

The US is waging war with Russia. It is using Ukraine to do it. Poor Ukrainian people who are stuck in the middle of this US war against Russia. Zelensky is a US puppet.

Any Nazis Russia has are converts from the time that Russia destroyed the German, Nazi army in WW2. Sure, they hold to some of their ideals. But they also support Russia. The Nazis in Ukraine are being used by the US to fight Russian Nazis.

This is a war between Russia and the US. Poor Ukraine. It sits in the middle of the fight area.

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Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: paxmao on October 17, 2022, 01:20:45 PM
Really glad that Crimea took matters into safe hands by democratic vote they accepted to rejoin Russia.
Otherwise it would have been a terrible bloodbath, they are now protected by the sane, instead of the insane.

The West deems it very differently though, through lies.
Not putting one example of it here, not worth what they said about it.  

This is false information. Crimean citizens were not consulted with any observation or guarantee of due process. Until that is done, Crimea is an occupied territory that was annexed illegally by the RF. This is true to the point that soldiers from Wagner group that took power did not even tell who they were actually acting for!

Crimea belongs to people living in Crimea, anything else is medieval.

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Who do you think has the power to punish Putin? Only God. But Putin is punishing Zelensky, and God will punish Zelensky, too
...

Your imaginary friend does not have any power over anyone, however have no doubt that Adolf Putin stays in power only while the US feels all right about his ability to control the nuclear arsenal. The moment that is in doubt, he will stop existing.

For now Adolf Putin is acting mostly in the interest of the US: getting Europe to owe more to the US, making many countries increase their spend in weapons, enhancing the NATO and bringing members that otherwise would be neutral, letting China know that US and Europe can and will fuckup the economy of any country that oversteps... Why would you get rid of such a guy? He should be in the CIA rooster if he is not.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on October 17, 2022, 03:57:15 PM
Ukrainian troops are tightening the ring around Kherson and this trend will not be changed by any Iranian drones that are only capable of attacking civilian targets. The return of Kherson to Ukraine will cut off the water supply to the Crimea and open the way leading to the liberation of Crimea from the Russian Ihtamnets (invaders).


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on October 18, 2022, 02:47:11 PM

...

Who do you think has the power to punish Putin? Only God. But Putin is punishing Zelensky, and God will punish Zelensky, too
...

Your imaginary friend does not have any power over anyone, however have no doubt that Adolf Putin stays in power only while the US feels all right about his ability to control the nuclear arsenal. The moment that is in doubt, he will stop existing.

For now Adolf Putin is acting mostly in the interest of the US: getting Europe to owe more to the US, making many countries increase their spend in weapons, enhancing the NATO and bringing members that otherwise would be neutral, letting China know that US and Europe can and will fuckup the economy of any country that oversteps... Why would you get rid of such a guy? He should be in the CIA rooster if he is not.

You simply don't understand how big money works. A gigantic amount of it operates through the Federal Reserve Bank worldwide. This means that the proper pressure placed on big money by the people of the US can make dramatic changes, even when the people don't know much of anything about what they are doing.

In the States, the people are feeling the pinch, financially. As they watch US money going to Ukraine, they feel that this is money that could be used to improve their financial status, countrywide. This feeling is growing. It is shown as the people slowly change their opinions about current US leaders. Biden's popularity is going down.

In Europe, the people are feeling the pinch even more than the US, and are doing things about it. There are already uprisings all around European countries. They will change their governments if their governments don't change and help the people, rather than support Ukraine.

The point? Russia doesn't have to do anything much, aggressively. Putin has already protected his people in the Southeast portions of Ukraine from US aggression. And now he is focusing on Kiev, as a offensive form of defense... not as all-out war. All Putin has to do is sit tight, continuing the little bit of defense he has done so far. Big money in the US and Europe will gradually fall away from Ukraine as the people change their governments. As the Ukraine military dies for lack of help, Putin will be able to walk Russia into Ukraine, and give much of it autonomy, or take it over, as he wills.

Regarding your buddy, who is the arch enemy of the One you call my 'imaginary friend', your buddy is dying, and will die, way beyond the way Ukraine's help will dry up. I wonder a little. Has your buddy hidden himself from you so that you don't realize he exists? Or, do you know all about him, and are simply trying to hide him from the knowledge of other people? You don't have enough faith strength to keep these individual masters of good and evil from existing, while maintaining your own existence.

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Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on October 20, 2022, 06:56:58 AM

You simply don't understand how big money works. A gigantic amount of it operates through the Federal Reserve Bank worldwide. This means that the proper pressure placed on big money by the people of the US can make dramatic changes, even when the people don't know much of anything about what they are doing.

In the States, the people are feeling the pinch, financially. As they watch US money going to Ukraine, they feel that this is money that could be used to improve their financial status, countrywide. This feeling is growing. It is shown as the people slowly change their opinions about current US leaders. Biden's popularity is going down.

In Europe, the people are feeling the pinch even more than the US, and are doing things about it. There are already uprisings all around European countries. They will change their governments if their governments don't change and help the people, rather than support Ukraine.

The point? Russia doesn't have to do anything much, aggressively. Putin has already protected his people in the Southeast portions of Ukraine from US aggression. And now he is focusing on Kiev, as a offensive form of defense... not as all-out war. All Putin has to do is sit tight, continuing the little bit of defense he has done so far. Big money in the US and Europe will gradually fall away from Ukraine as the people change their governments. As the Ukraine military dies for lack of help, Putin will be able to walk Russia into Ukraine, and give much of it autonomy, or take it over, as he wills.

Regarding your buddy, who is the arch enemy of the One you call my 'imaginary friend', your buddy is dying, and will die, way beyond the way Ukraine's help will dry up. I wonder a little. Has your buddy hidden himself from you so that you don't realize he exists? Or, do you know all about him, and are simply trying to hide him from the knowledge of other people? You don't have enough faith strength to keep these individual masters of good and evil from existing, while maintaining your own existence.


Do not expect that the West will refuse to support Ukraine in the war for its independence against the invading fascist Russia because of economic difficulties. Also in the Second World War, the people of the United States and Great Britain experienced difficulties, but they understood that they had an obligation to defeat Nazi Germany. By the way, Russia is experiencing much more economic difficulties, moreover, it is isolated from the civilized world. Putin and his bandits will be tried in The Hague as criminals.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on October 20, 2022, 04:05:08 PM

You simply don't understand how big money works. A gigantic amount of it operates through the Federal Reserve Bank worldwide. This means that the proper pressure placed on big money by the people of the US can make dramatic changes, even when the people don't know much of anything about what they are doing.

In the States, the people are feeling the pinch, financially. As they watch US money going to Ukraine, they feel that this is money that could be used to improve their financial status, countrywide. This feeling is growing. It is shown as the people slowly change their opinions about current US leaders. Biden's popularity is going down.

In Europe, the people are feeling the pinch even more than the US, and are doing things about it. There are already uprisings all around European countries. They will change their governments if their governments don't change and help the people, rather than support Ukraine.

The point? Russia doesn't have to do anything much, aggressively. Putin has already protected his people in the Southeast portions of Ukraine from US aggression. And now he is focusing on Kiev, as a offensive form of defense... not as all-out war. All Putin has to do is sit tight, continuing the little bit of defense he has done so far. Big money in the US and Europe will gradually fall away from Ukraine as the people change their governments. As the Ukraine military dies for lack of help, Putin will be able to walk Russia into Ukraine, and give much of it autonomy, or take it over, as he wills.

Regarding your buddy, who is the arch enemy of the One you call my 'imaginary friend', your buddy is dying, and will die, way beyond the way Ukraine's help will dry up. I wonder a little. Has your buddy hidden himself from you so that you don't realize he exists? Or, do you know all about him, and are simply trying to hide him from the knowledge of other people? You don't have enough faith strength to keep these individual masters of good and evil from existing, while maintaining your own existence.


Do not expect that the West will refuse to support Ukraine in the war for its independence against the invading fascist Russia because of economic difficulties. Also in the Second World War, the people of the United States and Great Britain experienced difficulties, but they understood that they had an obligation to defeat Nazi Germany. By the way, Russia is experiencing much more economic difficulties, moreover, it is isolated from the civilized world. Putin and his bandits will be tried in The Hague as criminals.


But you can't answer the changes that are taking place. People in the US are turning, just like Britain. Britain's new PM just resigned because the people couldn't take her pro-big-government approach (pro-Ukraine).

I don't know the future any more than anybody, and you don't know the US government. The government isn't the leaders in Washington. The real US government is the jury... which can overturn and overrule anything. And the people who make up the juries are getting fed up with Biden and the war.


"We Peaked A Little Early" - Democrats' Hope Turning To Despair (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/334236-2022-10-20-we-peaked-a-little-early-democrats-hope-turning-to-despair.htm)


Their hopes were rising in July and August, on the expectation that the Supreme Court's overturning of Roe v Wade would energize the Democratic base and nudge independents into voting for the blue team. 

Their abortion-issue hopes have proven wildly overblown, as a mere 5% of likely voters say abortion is their top concern, according to the latest New York Times/Siena College poll. Instead a plurality point to the economy and inflation, and most think Republicans are best equipped to tackle both.

A Harvard/Harris poll released on Monday found 53% of voters say they're more likely to vote for a Republican, compared to 47% who favor Democrats. Just 40% of Americans approve of President Biden's performance, according to the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll.

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Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on October 20, 2022, 07:47:09 PM

You simply don't understand how big money works. A gigantic amount of it operates through the Federal Reserve Bank worldwide. This means that the proper pressure placed on big money by the people of the US can make dramatic changes, even when the people don't know much of anything about what they are doing.

In the States, the people are feeling the pinch, financially. As they watch US money going to Ukraine, they feel that this is money that could be used to improve their financial status, countrywide. This feeling is growing. It is shown as the people slowly change their opinions about current US leaders. Biden's popularity is going down.

In Europe, the people are feeling the pinch even more than the US, and are doing things about it. There are already uprisings all around European countries. They will change their governments if their governments don't change and help the people, rather than support Ukraine.

The point? Russia doesn't have to do anything much, aggressively. Putin has already protected his people in the Southeast portions of Ukraine from US aggression. And now he is focusing on Kiev, as a offensive form of defense... not as all-out war. All Putin has to do is sit tight, continuing the little bit of defense he has done so far. Big money in the US and Europe will gradually fall away from Ukraine as the people change their governments. As the Ukraine military dies for lack of help, Putin will be able to walk Russia into Ukraine, and give much of it autonomy, or take it over, as he wills.

Regarding your buddy, who is the arch enemy of the One you call my 'imaginary friend', your buddy is dying, and will die, way beyond the way Ukraine's help will dry up. I wonder a little. Has your buddy hidden himself from you so that you don't realize he exists? Or, do you know all about him, and are simply trying to hide him from the knowledge of other people? You don't have enough faith strength to keep these individual masters of good and evil from existing, while maintaining your own existence.


Do not expect that the West will refuse to support Ukraine in the war for its independence against the invading fascist Russia because of economic difficulties. Also in the Second World War, the people of the United States and Great Britain experienced difficulties, but they understood that they had an obligation to defeat Nazi Germany. By the way, Russia is experiencing much more economic difficulties, moreover, it is isolated from the civilized world. Putin and his bandits will be tried in The Hague as criminals.


But you can't answer the changes that are taking place. People in the US are turning, just like Britain. Britain's new PM just resigned because the people couldn't take her pro-big-government approach (pro-Ukraine).

I don't know the future any more than anybody, and you don't know the US government. The government isn't the leaders in Washington. The real US government is the jury... which can overturn and overrule anything. And the people who make up the juries are getting fed up with Biden and the war.

Yes, Putin has one hope for the Americans and the British to rise up against their government, because in the war with Ukraine, the Russians are losing. It's a pity that Hitler did not think of telling the Americans and the British that it is difficult for them economically to fight Germany, which turned out to be the victim of greedy ill-wishers.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on October 20, 2022, 09:43:16 PM

But you can't answer the changes that are taking place. People in the US are turning, just like Britain. Britain's new PM just resigned because the people couldn't take her pro-big-government approach (pro-Ukraine).

I don't know the future any more than anybody, and you don't know the US government. The government isn't the leaders in Washington. The real US government is the jury... which can overturn and overrule anything. And the people who make up the juries are getting fed up with Biden and the war.

Yes, Putin has one hope for the Americans and the British to rise up against their government, because in the war with Ukraine, the Russians are losing. It's a pity that Hitler did not think of telling the Americans and the British that it is difficult for them economically to fight Germany, which turned out to be the victim of greedy ill-wishers.

You forget the other part. Putin has all sizes of nukes in abundance. Hitler almost did, but his scientists failed... but not by much. Actually, only a tiny bit.

The point is that even if Russia is weaker regarding standard war machines, what will she do if that kind of war fails? Nukes, of course.

Russia and the US might be obliterated in a full nuke war. But Europe will just from the fallout... and Mexico and Canada. If Putin is weak in machine warfare, he is simply showing the US and Nato that they are weak, too. How? Because the US and Nato have no way to stop a Russian full nuke war if Russia decides to do it.

If nukes, Putin and much of his military will be hidden away in secret places in the Urals. And they still have Siberia to go to, just as the US still will have Alaska.

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Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on October 21, 2022, 03:41:20 AM

But you can't answer the changes that are taking place. People in the US are turning, just like Britain. Britain's new PM just resigned because the people couldn't take her pro-big-government approach (pro-Ukraine).

I don't know the future any more than anybody, and you don't know the US government. The government isn't the leaders in Washington. The real US government is the jury... which can overturn and overrule anything. And the people who make up the juries are getting fed up with Biden and the war.

Yes, Putin has one hope for the Americans and the British to rise up against their government, because in the war with Ukraine, the Russians are losing. It's a pity that Hitler did not think of telling the Americans and the British that it is difficult for them economically to fight Germany, which turned out to be the victim of greedy ill-wishers.

You forget the other part. Putin has all sizes of nukes in abundance. Hitler almost did, but his scientists failed... but not by much. Actually, only a tiny bit.

The point is that even if Russia is weaker regarding standard war machines, what will she do if that kind of war fails? Nukes, of course.

Russia and the US might be obliterated in a full nuke war. But Europe will just from the fallout... and Mexico and Canada. If Putin is weak in machine warfare, he is simply showing the US and Nato that they are weak, too. How? Because the US and Nato have no way to stop a Russian full nuke war if Russia decides to do it.

If nukes, Putin and much of his military will be hidden away in secret places in the Urals. And they still have Siberia to go to, just as the US still will have Alaska.

 And then what about Ukraine! If Russia and America die in a nuclear war, then Ukraine, as the most aggressive country, will freely capture the rest of the nations. Maybe it's better for Russia and America to immediately throw nuclear bombs at Ukraine and solve the problem. After all, when there was no free Ukraine, America and Russia were at peace. You, as his troll, tell Putin this idea so that he proposes it to Biden. You see how, as a result of our dispute with you, we found a way out of a peaceful solution to the problem. I think you and I should be awarded the Nobel for this.

 Oh shit, I forgot. “Never argue with idiots. You will sink to their level, where they will crush you with their experience. “- Mark Twain.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on October 21, 2022, 03:55:52 PM

But you can't answer the changes that are taking place. People in the US are turning, just like Britain. Britain's new PM just resigned because the people couldn't take her pro-big-government approach (pro-Ukraine).

I don't know the future any more than anybody, and you don't know the US government. The government isn't the leaders in Washington. The real US government is the jury... which can overturn and overrule anything. And the people who make up the juries are getting fed up with Biden and the war.

Yes, Putin has one hope for the Americans and the British to rise up against their government, because in the war with Ukraine, the Russians are losing. It's a pity that Hitler did not think of telling the Americans and the British that it is difficult for them economically to fight Germany, which turned out to be the victim of greedy ill-wishers.

You forget the other part. Putin has all sizes of nukes in abundance. Hitler almost did, but his scientists failed... but not by much. Actually, only a tiny bit.

The point is that even if Russia is weaker regarding standard war machines, what will she do if that kind of war fails? Nukes, of course.

Russia and the US might be obliterated in a full nuke war. But Europe will just from the fallout... and Mexico and Canada. If Putin is weak in machine warfare, he is simply showing the US and Nato that they are weak, too. How? Because the US and Nato have no way to stop a Russian full nuke war if Russia decides to do it.

If nukes, Putin and much of his military will be hidden away in secret places in the Urals. And they still have Siberia to go to, just as the US still will have Alaska.

 And then what about Ukraine! If Russia and America die in a nuclear war, then Ukraine, as the most aggressive country, will freely capture the rest of the nations. Maybe it's better for Russia and America to immediately throw nuclear bombs at Ukraine and solve the problem. After all, when there was no free Ukraine, America and Russia were at peace. You, as his troll, tell Putin this idea so that he proposes it to Biden. You see how, as a result of our dispute with you, we found a way out of a peaceful solution to the problem. I think you and I should be awarded the Nobel for this.

 Oh shit, I forgot. “Never argue with idiots. You will sink to their level, where they will crush you with their experience. “- Mark Twain.

Exactly about the idiot. It answers why you are so set against Russia. You don't argue with yourself. So, you can't even think in another direction. However, thanks for explaining this about yourself.

Why would anyone be silly enough to ask about the Ukraine in a nuke war that destroyed the US, Russia, and Europe? Don't you think that Ukraine wouldn't be taken out by Russia, almost first?

Oh, that's right. You never argue with yourself.

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Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on October 21, 2022, 06:25:56 PM
With the return of Kherson, the road to the Crimea opens. If you manage to blow up the Crimean bridge, then their tamnets will be thrown into the sea.


Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: BADecker on October 22, 2022, 07:20:19 PM
We have seen in the news that Putin is evacuating people. Why? Some say he is taking them to make slaves of them. Others say that he is simply helping them to flee.

The real reason is that he is not a savage like Zelensky. He's moving people out of harms way so that he can go in there and fight without hurting any civilians... something that Zelensky wouldn't even think of doing... and doesn't have the capability of doing even if he wanted to. Besides, for Zelensky, all those civilians are places to hide behind while shooting at Russians.

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Title: Re: Whose Crimea
Post by: Alik Bahshi on October 22, 2022, 07:37:17 PM
With the return of Kherson, the road to the Crimea opens. If you manage to blow up the Crimean bridge, then their tamnets will be thrown into the sea.

  Pyccкиe мaccoвo пoкидaют Xepcoнcкyю oблacть пoкa ecть тaкaя вoзмoжнocть в пpeддвepиe нacтyплeния yкpaинcкoй apмии.