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Title: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: smoothie on March 28, 2013, 10:38:41 PM
Let's keep up the pattern....weak hands letting go of their bitcoins.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: Amitabh S on March 28, 2013, 10:39:36 PM
I will bump this thread when we cross 100.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: cypherdoc on March 28, 2013, 10:39:52 PM
 :D


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: nwbitcoin on March 28, 2013, 10:41:22 PM
its the modern soap opera!

$95 to $76 to $90 in 40 mins!



Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: cypherdoc on March 28, 2013, 10:42:33 PM
over and over and over and over again.  when will ppl learn?


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: smoothie on March 28, 2013, 10:44:18 PM
over and over and over and over again.  when will ppl learn?

when they have < 10% of their original holdings of bitcoins...is my guess  :D


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 28, 2013, 10:44:29 PM
over and over and over and over again.  when will ppl learn?

Maybe they feel they have too many coins ...


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: smoothie on March 28, 2013, 10:45:14 PM
over and over and over and over again.  when will ppl learn?

Maybe they feel they have too many coins ...

Charitable bears lol....spread the wealth.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: BitcoinTate on March 28, 2013, 10:45:38 PM
over and over and over and over again.  when will ppl learn?
I learned never trust the auto market order sell button at Gox back when BTC hit $50 then took a dive and I my put my sell order in at $46 and it wasn't executed till $34 lol I bought into this dip at 78 :)


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: foggyb on March 28, 2013, 10:46:02 PM
Welcome to economics 101. Class is in session.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: BitcoinTip on March 28, 2013, 10:47:05 PM
I will bump this thread when we cross 100.

kool see you in 2 years then


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: smoothie on March 28, 2013, 10:48:32 PM
I will bump this thread when we cross 100.

kool see you in 2 years then

Aww guys look at the cute cuddly little bear ^^  :D :D


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: Kupsi on March 28, 2013, 10:49:11 PM
Smoothie is my new hero!!!  :D


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: BTC Books on March 28, 2013, 10:50:49 PM
Goddammit, smoothie.  Thanks for rubbing it in.

All those weak hands out there, and nothing but weak exchanges as far as the eye can see.

Christ, what I wouldn't give for someplace to buy coin that has liquidity plus stability.

WTF man?  Seriously, WTF?


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: Dargo on March 28, 2013, 10:51:51 PM
lol, maybe people will take you off ignore smoothie so as to enjoy the good bear-trollin times!


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: proudhon on March 28, 2013, 10:52:04 PM
I will bump this thread when we cross 100.

kool see you in 2 years then

That's being pretty optimistic.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: deathcode on March 28, 2013, 10:53:50 PM
over and over and over and over again.  when will ppl learn?
PEOPLE WILL NEVER LEARN!!!

Otherwise, these kind of things wouldn't happen and that's why we love newbies!


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: smoothie on March 28, 2013, 10:55:51 PM
Goddammit, smoothie.  Thanks for rubbing it in.

All those weak hands out there, and nothing but weak exchanges as far as the eye can see.

Christ, what I wouldn't give for someplace to buy coin that has liquidity plus stability.

WTF man?  Seriously, WTF?

"Hoooooooold, for the longest time."  :D


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: BTC Books on March 28, 2013, 10:58:16 PM
Goddammit, smoothie.  Thanks for rubbing it in.

All those weak hands out there, and nothing but weak exchanges as far as the eye can see.

Christ, what I wouldn't give for someplace to buy coin that has liquidity plus stability.

WTF man?  Seriously, WTF?

"Hoooooooold, for the longest time."  :D

Of course hold.

But that doesn't mean I don't want to buy more.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: smoothie on March 29, 2013, 01:25:27 AM
I figured since we are touching $92 already...that I would bump this thread.

Bears, you getting ready to sell low again? Please sell lower than $80.... we need more cheap coins.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: m3whiteknight on March 29, 2013, 01:32:30 AM
I admit I have  a weak hand , sold some at 88 and some at 85 but I was lucky and bought all my coin back in at 77 and some at 84 , so I guess I was lucky. Boy this afternoon was so stressfull and I was scare  ;D ;D


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: smoothie on March 29, 2013, 01:34:54 AM
I admit I have  a weak hand , sold some at 88 and some at 85 but I was lucky and bought all my coin back in at 77 and some at 84 , so I guess I was lucky. Boy this afternoon was so stressfull and I was scare  ;D ;D


Nice catch.



Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: Bitobsessed on March 29, 2013, 01:42:37 AM
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2818/btctrolledvg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/btctrolledvg.jpg/)

I don't know!  I never sell!




Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: cypherdoc on March 29, 2013, 01:47:15 AM
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2818/btctrolledvg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/btctrolledvg.jpg/)

I don't know!  I never sell!




I don't know!  I only buy!


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: m3whiteknight on March 29, 2013, 02:02:36 AM
Haha  ;D   I wish I could buy more , stupid Dwolla holding my tranfer


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: myrkul on March 29, 2013, 03:20:12 AM
I will bump this thread when we cross 100.

Which time?


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: S M I L Y on March 29, 2013, 03:56:08 AM
I love these dips.  Shakes the weak hands and strengthens Bitcoin overall.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: oakpacific on March 29, 2013, 09:29:44 AM

I don't know, I go leveraged long on these dips, then buy bitcoins with my extra fiats.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: smoothie on March 30, 2013, 04:48:17 AM
LOL gotta bring it up again....does it feel good selling < $80 just yesterday?  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: Le Happy Merchant on March 30, 2013, 04:50:47 AM
I will bump this thread when we cross 100.

Which time?

Both up, and down.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: Amitabh S on April 01, 2013, 02:44:34 PM
I will bump this thread when we cross 100.

As promised!  ;D


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: SuperHakka on April 01, 2013, 03:01:43 PM
I sold all my bitcoins except 1 BTC which I am keeping for posterity in an online wallet. The reason I sold was because the price chart has gone exponential if looked at on a weekly or monthly basis. I having 20 years of trading experience on and off. I was trading in the tech stock bubble in the late 90's and even back then there were message forums like The Motley Fool which I was participating in. There were a few "investments" that got me burned, lessons which were worth 10 times the price I paid back then. Pay heed, if after surveying all the price data and the attitude of other market participants, if it looks like a bubble then swallow your emotions, it very most likely is a bubble. Don't get me wrong, I believe BTC will have a long term future, it's just that before then, and very soon, a massive price correction is going to happen and I will be in again.

I stick my neck out, BTC has just broken $100, I believe the price will drop rapidly to $50 by the end of April and will hit $25 some time in May at which point I will be buying again.

Good luck to everybody.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: bitsalame on April 01, 2013, 03:41:12 PM
I sold all my bitcoins except 1 BTC which I am keeping for posterity in an online wallet. The reason I sold was because the price chart has gone exponential if looked at on a weekly or monthly basis. I having 20 years of trading experience on and off. I was trading in the tech stock bubble in the late 90's and even back then there were message forums like The Motley Fool which I was participating in. There were a few "investments" that got me burned, lessons which were worth 10 times the price I paid back then. Pay heed, if after surveying all the price data and the attitude of other market participants, if it looks like a bubble then swallow your emotions, it very most likely is a bubble. Don't get me wrong, I believe BTC will have a long term future, it's just that before then, and very soon, a massive price correction is going to happen and I will be in again.

I stick my neck out, BTC has just broken $100, I believe the price will drop rapidly to $50 by the end of April and will hit $25 some time in May at which point I will be buying again.

Good luck to everybody.
Doubt that it will be sub $50.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: myrkul on April 01, 2013, 03:46:27 PM
There are a lot of reasons why this is not the tech bubble.

What we are seeing here is the adoption curve of a new technology. It will hit saturation eventually, and stabilize, but until then, more people are going to find out about Bitcoin every day, and many of them are going to want in. As long as that's happening, expect the price to rise.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: Amitabh S on April 01, 2013, 03:48:28 PM
I stick my neck out, BTC has just broken $100, I believe the price will drop rapidly to $50 by the end of April and will hit $25 some time in May at which point I will be buying again.

Good luck to everybody.

Why 100? Whats so special about it? Why not 30pi? Its more logical.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: proudhon on April 01, 2013, 03:50:25 PM
I sold all my bitcoins except 1 BTC which I am keeping for posterity in an online wallet. The reason I sold was because the price chart has gone exponential if looked at on a weekly or monthly basis. I having 20 years of trading experience on and off. I was trading in the tech stock bubble in the late 90's and even back then there were message forums like The Motley Fool which I was participating in. There were a few "investments" that got me burned, lessons which were worth 10 times the price I paid back then. Pay heed, if after surveying all the price data and the attitude of other market participants, if it looks like a bubble then swallow your emotions, it very most likely is a bubble. Don't get me wrong, I believe BTC will have a long term future, it's just that before then, and very soon, a massive price correction is going to happen and I will be in again.

I stick my neck out, BTC has just broken $100, I believe the price will drop rapidly to $50 by the end of April and will hit $25 some time in May at which point I will be buying again.

Good luck to everybody.

This.  Still a little more optimistic than I am, but generally, I agree.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: bitsalame on April 01, 2013, 04:55:44 PM
I sold all my bitcoins except 1 BTC which I am keeping for posterity in an online wallet. The reason I sold was because the price chart has gone exponential if looked at on a weekly or monthly basis. I having 20 years of trading experience on and off. I was trading in the tech stock bubble in the late 90's and even back then there were message forums like The Motley Fool which I was participating in. There were a few "investments" that got me burned, lessons which were worth 10 times the price I paid back then. Pay heed, if after surveying all the price data and the attitude of other market participants, if it looks like a bubble then swallow your emotions, it very most likely is a bubble. Don't get me wrong, I believe BTC will have a long term future, it's just that before then, and very soon, a massive price correction is going to happen and I will be in again.

I stick my neck out, BTC has just broken $100, I believe the price will drop rapidly to $50 by the end of April and will hit $25 some time in May at which point I will be buying again.

Good luck to everybody.

This.  Still a little more optimistic than I am, but generally, I agree.
You guys fail to understand that bitcoins ARE NOT STOCKS.
And also these are not tulips.
This is unique in the history of humankind, a digital currency with very specific properties with a very unique history.
It is definitely uncharted waters, so any experience you might have had with securities, commodities and/or forex, it is absolutely irrelevant.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: BitcoinTate on April 01, 2013, 05:01:05 PM
I sold all my bitcoins except 1 BTC which I am keeping for posterity in an online wallet. The reason I sold was because the price chart has gone exponential if looked at on a weekly or monthly basis. I having 20 years of trading experience on and off. I was trading in the tech stock bubble in the late 90's and even back then there were message forums like The Motley Fool which I was participating in. There were a few "investments" that got me burned, lessons which were worth 10 times the price I paid back then. Pay heed, if after surveying all the price data and the attitude of other market participants, if it looks like a bubble then swallow your emotions, it very most likely is a bubble. Don't get me wrong, I believe BTC will have a long term future, it's just that before then, and very soon, a massive price correction is going to happen and I will be in again.

I stick my neck out, BTC has just broken $100, I believe the price will drop rapidly to $50 by the end of April and will hit $25 some time in May at which point I will be buying again.

Good luck to everybody.

This.  Still a little more optimistic than I am, but generally, I agree.
You guys fail to understand that bitcoins ARE NOT STOCKS.
And also these are not tulips.
This is unique in the history of humankind, a digital currency with very specific properties with a very unique history.
It is definitely uncharted waters, so any experience you might have had with securities, commodities and/or forex, it is absolutely irrelevant.
+1 Everything happens faster on the internet now days. Just look where Facebook was 5 years ago.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: 00null on April 01, 2013, 05:28:29 PM
I sold all my bitcoins except 1 BTC which I am keeping for posterity in an online wallet. The reason I sold was because the price chart has gone exponential if looked at on a weekly or monthly basis. I having 20 years of trading experience on and off. I was trading in the tech stock bubble in the late 90's and even back then there were message forums like The Motley Fool which I was participating in. There were a few "investments" that got me burned, lessons which were worth 10 times the price I paid back then. Pay heed, if after surveying all the price data and the attitude of other market participants, if it looks like a bubble then swallow your emotions, it very most likely is a bubble. Don't get me wrong, I believe BTC will have a long term future, it's just that before then, and very soon, a massive price correction is going to happen and I will be in again.

I stick my neck out, BTC has just broken $100, I believe the price will drop rapidly to $50 by the end of April and will hit $25 some time in May at which point I will be buying again.

Good luck to everybody.

This.  Still a little more optimistic than I am, but generally, I agree.
You guys fail to understand that bitcoins ARE NOT STOCKS.
And also these are not tulips.
This is unique in the history of humankind, a digital currency with very specific properties with a very unique history.
It is definitely uncharted waters, so any experience you might have had with securities, commodities and/or forex, it is absolutely irrelevant.
+1 Everything happens faster on the internet now days. Just look where Facebook was 5 years ago.

Have a look at the number of computers.
Famous quote:
"'I think there is a world market for about five computers' —Thomas J. Watson
All those bears would say that the exponential raise of computers is a bubble. I am sure proudhon would even say that the actual number of computer will fall to single digits soon...


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: Buffer Overflow on April 01, 2013, 05:36:04 PM
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of DEC


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: waspoza on April 01, 2013, 05:45:40 PM
Paul Krugman:

Quote
The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in "Metcalfe's law"--which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants--becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine's.

http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: BitcoinTate on April 01, 2013, 05:50:24 PM
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of DEC
Guess he never found porn....


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: SuperHakka on April 01, 2013, 06:01:45 PM

You guys fail to understand that bitcoins ARE NOT STOCKS.
And also these are not tulips.
This is unique in the history of humankind, a digital currency with very specific properties with a very unique history.
It is definitely uncharted waters, so any experience you might have had with securities, commodities and/or forex, it is absolutely irrelevant.
Dude, when you been studying trading and investment for as long as I have, you know that there is no such thing as "uncharted waters". Let me give you an example of a tech that I invested in and lost. Baltimore Technologies was an up and coming company specialising in the wierd and wonderful world of PKI, that's they sold digital crytopgraphy management systems. Now digital crytopgraphy has blossomed and can be found in many areas of life nowadays, however what about the investment. It lost me 97%, the price chart of it if I scale it right would probably fit right on top of the bitcoin one. Nothing goes up exponentially forever dude, it's impossible. And usually in exchange traded instruments, prices don't just level off horizontally and wait for everyone to catch up, they fall dramatically after an exponential rise. Never seen an exception ever.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: cypherdoc on April 01, 2013, 06:13:20 PM
Paul Krugman:

Quote
The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in "Metcalfe's law"--which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants--becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine's.

http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html

nice!  when did he write that?  i don't see a date.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: notme on April 01, 2013, 06:19:59 PM

You guys fail to understand that bitcoins ARE NOT STOCKS.
And also these are not tulips.
This is unique in the history of humankind, a digital currency with very specific properties with a very unique history.
It is definitely uncharted waters, so any experience you might have had with securities, commodities and/or forex, it is absolutely irrelevant.
Dude, when you been studying trading and investment for as long as I have, you know that there is no such thing as "uncharted waters". Let me give you an example of a tech that I invested in and lost. Baltimore Technologies was an up and coming company specialising in the wierd and wonderful world of PKI, that's they sold digital crytopgraphy management systems. Now digital crytopgraphy has blossomed and can be found in many areas of life nowadays, however what about the investment. It lost me 97%, the price chart of it if I scale it right would probably fit right on top of the bitcoin one. Nothing goes up exponentially forever dude, it's impossible. And usually in exchange traded instruments, prices don't just level off horizontally and wait for everyone to catch up, they fall dramatically after an exponential rise. Never seen an exception ever.

Sorry, but that sounds like you just made a shitty investment.  Propriety PKI software is a very small market.  Open source software can meet most users needs.

When the tech bubble popped, a large portion of the US population was using the internet on a daily basis.  What portion are using Bitcoin at this time?


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: waspoza on April 01, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
Paul Krugman:

Quote
The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in "Metcalfe's law"--which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants--becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine's.

http://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html

nice!  when did he write that?  i don't see a date.

June 1998 I think.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: bitsalame on April 01, 2013, 09:27:15 PM

You guys fail to understand that bitcoins ARE NOT STOCKS.
And also these are not tulips.
This is unique in the history of humankind, a digital currency with very specific properties with a very unique history.
It is definitely uncharted waters, so any experience you might have had with securities, commodities and/or forex, it is absolutely irrelevant.
Dude, when you been studying trading and investment for as long as I have, you know that there is no such thing as "uncharted waters". Let me give you an example of a tech that I invested in and lost. Baltimore Technologies was an up and coming company specialising in the wierd and wonderful world of PKI, that's they sold digital crytopgraphy management systems. Now digital crytopgraphy has blossomed and can be found in many areas of life nowadays, however what about the investment. It lost me 97%, the price chart of it if I scale it right would probably fit right on top of the bitcoin one. Nothing goes up exponentially forever dude, it's impossible. And usually in exchange traded instruments, prices don't just level off horizontally and wait for everyone to catch up, they fall dramatically after an exponential rise. Never seen an exception ever.

Once again, you fail to understand that bitcoins are not securities.
In your case, your fundamental analysis failed back then, in the same way it is failing now about bitcoins.
Before you failed for being reckless, now you are failing by being too conservative.

Human reactions are like a pendulum, they swing to opposites all the time.
Just like when a blonde breaks your heart, and then you hate ALL blondes.

Bitcoins are a way different animal.
You can't generalize your past experiences in it. There are certainly some questionable things, but it would be absolutely improper to be comparing it with securities. It is a currency, period, a DEFLATIONARY currency. That's a very first in history. You can't say how it should behave, there wasn't one before ever. It was (technologically) impossible to have one before. It is the first currency with a fixed suppply, impossible to be counterfeited.
The bitcoins are highly experimental, not only technologically but also economically.
So I repeat, you can't say how it should normally behave. We are setting up the norm right now, we are currently the baseline for future digital currencies.

That said, selling your house in exchange for an experimental currency is just plain suicidal. If more nutjobs are getting on board with such a retarded mentality, yes, probably a bubble will be formed and it will eventually pop. But when it happens there is no company going bankrupt here, there is no shop closing down. There are gonna be still exist payment processors, and more and more companies are adopting it, even OKCupid is considering adopting it. Even if it "crashes", it will raise again to 100 in no time.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: Cluster2k on April 02, 2013, 12:05:09 AM
You can't generalize your past experiences in it. There are certainly some questionable things, but it would be absolutely improper to be comparing it with securities. It is a currency, period, a DEFLATIONARY currency. That's a very first in history.

Gold and silver disagree.

You can't say how it should behave, there wasn't one before ever. It was (technologically) impossible to have one before. It is the first currency with a fixed suppply, impossible to be counterfeited.

Impossible, unless someone controls 51% of the network hashing capacity.  DeepBit sometimes came close in bitcoin's short history.  Spending my created coins while denying you the use of your legitimate coins is counterfeiting.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: 00null on April 02, 2013, 12:29:37 AM

You guys fail to understand that bitcoins ARE NOT STOCKS.
And also these are not tulips.
This is unique in the history of humankind, a digital currency with very specific properties with a very unique history.
It is definitely uncharted waters, so any experience you might have had with securities, commodities and/or forex, it is absolutely irrelevant.
Dude, when you been studying trading and investment for as long as I have, you know that there is no such thing as "uncharted waters". Let me give you an example of a tech that I invested in and lost. Baltimore Technologies was an up and coming company specialising in the wierd and wonderful world of PKI, that's they sold digital crytopgraphy management systems. Now digital crytopgraphy has blossomed and can be found in many areas of life nowadays, however what about the investment. It lost me 97%, the price chart of it if I scale it right would probably fit right on top of the bitcoin one. Nothing goes up exponentially forever dude, it's impossible. And usually in exchange traded instruments, prices don't just level off horizontally and wait for everyone to catch up, they fall dramatically after an exponential rise. Never seen an exception ever.

Let me give you one more example. The number of cell phones has certainly increased exponentially. So according to your logic one day everyone will throw their cell phones away and go back to landlines. Really? I don't think so. And Bitcoins are not like stocks, they are like cellphones, in the end everyone wants to own at least one.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: zoinky on April 02, 2013, 12:38:57 AM
I can't believe people are selling at $103.  ??? ??? ???  ::)


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: BitcoinTate on April 02, 2013, 12:43:51 AM
I can't believe people are selling at $103.  ??? ??? ???  ::)
God is great, beer is good and people are crazy!


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: myrkul on April 02, 2013, 02:48:37 AM
I can't believe people are selling at $103.  ??? ??? ???  ::)
If I had a pile of coins, I'd be selling at least some of them right now. There are a few things around the house that have been nagging to get done....


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: jubalix on April 02, 2013, 03:42:15 AM

You guys fail to understand that bitcoins ARE NOT STOCKS.
And also these are not tulips.
This is unique in the history of humankind, a digital currency with very specific properties with a very unique history.
It is definitely uncharted waters, so any experience you might have had with securities, commodities and/or forex, it is absolutely irrelevant.
Dude, when you been studying trading and investment for as long as I have, you know that there is no such thing as "uncharted waters". Let me give you an example of a tech that I invested in and lost. Baltimore Technologies was an up and coming company specialising in the wierd and wonderful world of PKI, that's they sold digital crytopgraphy management systems. Now digital crytopgraphy has blossomed and can be found in many areas of life nowadays, however what about the investment. It lost me 97%, the price chart of it if I scale it right would probably fit right on top of the bitcoin one. Nothing goes up exponentially forever dude, it's impossible. And usually in exchange traded instruments, prices don't just level off horizontally and wait for everyone to catch up, they fall dramatically after an exponential rise. Never seen an exception ever.

Lel you stock market types don't even realize you never "made" money of the stock marker, you just swapped around FIAT that central banks made through FRB and CRR's

BTC is replacing the Central banks which and you will be trading for BTC FIAT.

You really really don't get what Central Banks / Govs have been doing, that is they make the TRILLIONS backed by TAX, companies get the scraps.

BTC et.al are taking this away.

BTC will go to at least 100K per coin, and LTC probably similar if not higher.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: myrkul on April 02, 2013, 04:02:44 AM

You guys fail to understand that bitcoins ARE NOT STOCKS.
And also these are not tulips.
This is unique in the history of humankind, a digital currency with very specific properties with a very unique history.
It is definitely uncharted waters, so any experience you might have had with securities, commodities and/or forex, it is absolutely irrelevant.
Dude, when you been studying trading and investment for as long as I have, you know that there is no such thing as "uncharted waters". Let me give you an example of a tech that I invested in and lost. Baltimore Technologies was an up and coming company specialising in the wierd and wonderful world of PKI, that's they sold digital crytopgraphy management systems. Now digital crytopgraphy has blossomed and can be found in many areas of life nowadays, however what about the investment. It lost me 97%, the price chart of it if I scale it right would probably fit right on top of the bitcoin one. Nothing goes up exponentially forever dude, it's impossible. And usually in exchange traded instruments, prices don't just level off horizontally and wait for everyone to catch up, they fall dramatically after an exponential rise. Never seen an exception ever.

Lel you stock market types don't even realize you never "made" money of the stock marker, you just swapped around FIAT that central banks made through FRB and CRR's

BTC is replacing the Central banks which and you will be trading for BTC FIAT.

You really really don't get what Central Banks / Govs have been doing, that is they make the TRILLIONS backed by TAX, companies get the scraps.

BTC et.al are taking this away.

BTC will go to at least 100K per coin, and LTC probably similar if not higher.
Wow. Not even I am this bullish. Don't ever get into the same room as proudhon. The mutual annihilation event could wipe out half a city.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: bitsalame on April 02, 2013, 11:31:03 AM
You can't generalize your past experiences in it. There are certainly some questionable things, but it would be absolutely improper to be comparing it with securities. It is a currency, period, a DEFLATIONARY currency. That's a very first in history.

Gold and silver disagree.

You can't say how it should behave, there wasn't one before ever. It was (technologically) impossible to have one before. It is the first currency with a fixed suppply, impossible to be counterfeited.

Impossible, unless someone controls 51% of the network hashing capacity.  DeepBit sometimes came close in bitcoin's short history.  Spending my created coins while denying you the use of your legitimate coins is counterfeiting.
Gold and silver are not currency, they are commodities.
You guys still don't get it, do you? Bitcoins have both and none of the qualities of being commodities and money.
The most proper comparison would be that it is the return of commodity money, but it is really not that either. As a commodity, it is absolutely useless... and intangible.
And yes, it is truly unique and it is the very first in the history of humankind. If you guys don't really understand the nature of bitcoins, you should forget about this project and go back to your normal daily lives.

The worst thing you can do is to invest or adopting something you don't truly understand.

PD: The 51% attack is already impracticable, and as soon as the ASICS get deployed widely, it will be almost an impossible task.
And if someone succeeds at it, it will not be for counterfeiting, it will be the death sentence of the whole currency because it would be a direct hit to its credibility.
Right now considering the monstrous amount of resources necessary to currently perform a 51% attack, it will not be to get rich quick, it will be done with only one thing in mind: to destroy bitcoins for once and for all.
And that type of weakness is also a first in history.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: myrkul on April 02, 2013, 03:14:45 PM
You can't generalize your past experiences in it. There are certainly some questionable things, but it would be absolutely improper to be comparing it with securities. It is a currency, period, a DEFLATIONARY currency. That's a very first in history.

Gold and silver disagree.
Gold and silver are not currency, they are commodities.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/specie


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: SuperHakka on April 02, 2013, 06:17:47 PM
Once again, you fail to understand that bitcoins are not securities.
In your case, your fundamental analysis failed back then, in the same way it is failing now about bitcoins.
Before you failed for being reckless, now you are failing by being too conservative.
Dude, may not be equity securities but they are for the most part traded on open market exchanges like Mt Gox and Bitcoin-central thus the law of demand and supply operate. If you are a technical chartist then you will believe that price action explains all, the background story is irrelevant. If any chartist look at the weekly btc chart then they will conclude that while the present peak cannot be predicted, what is sure to follow is a massive and brutal correction. If you have 1000 bitcoins and the price drops from $150 to $130 in a single day, you will have "lost" $20k, in your mind at least. You might to find your finger waivering on the sell button. Another drop from $130 to $120, oops that's another $10k down the drain. The foolish might stay in an keep losing but you is clever and decide to sell and make $100k profit in the bank. Deposit for a new home, you is quids in. You see, you lot are not an army but a collection of self-interested speculators who will exit at different times and at different amounts of pain. Be prepared, I is.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: bitsalame on April 02, 2013, 07:00:44 PM
Once again, you fail to understand that bitcoins are not securities.
In your case, your fundamental analysis failed back then, in the same way it is failing now about bitcoins.
Before you failed for being reckless, now you are failing by being too conservative.
Dude, may not be equity securities but they are for the most part traded on open market exchanges like Mt Gox and Bitcoin-central thus the law of demand and supply operate. If you are a technical chartist then you will believe that price action explains all, the background story is irrelevant. If any chartist look at the weekly btc chart then they will conclude that while the present peak cannot be predicted, what is sure to follow is a massive and brutal correction. If you have 1000 bitcoins and the price drops from $150 to $130 in a single day, you will have "lost" $20k, in your mind at least. You might to find your finger waivering on the sell button. Another drop from $130 to $120, oops that's another $10k down the drain. The foolish might stay in an keep losing but you is clever and decide to sell and make $100k profit in the bank. Deposit for a new home, you is quids in. You see, you lot are not an army but a collection of self-interested speculators who will exit at different times and at different amounts of pain. Be prepared, I is.

Two things.
First, think about long term.
Second, I hate chartists. They are as useful as tasseographists.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: Odalv on April 02, 2013, 07:02:41 PM
Once again, you fail to understand that bitcoins are not securities.
In your case, your fundamental analysis failed back then, in the same way it is failing now about bitcoins.
Before you failed for being reckless, now you are failing by being too conservative.
Dude, may not be equity securities but they are for the most part traded on open market exchanges like Mt Gox and Bitcoin-central thus the law of demand and supply operate. If you are a technical chartist then you will believe that price action explains all, the background story is irrelevant. If any chartist look at the weekly btc chart then they will conclude that while the present peak cannot be predicted, what is sure to follow is a massive and brutal correction. If you have 1000 bitcoins and the price drops from $150 to $130 in a single day, you will have "lost" $20k, in your mind at least. You might to find your finger waivering on the sell button. Another drop from $130 to $120, oops that's another $10k down the drain. The foolish might stay in an keep losing but you is clever and decide to sell and make $100k profit in the bank. Deposit for a new home, you is quids in. You see, you lot are not an army but a collection of self-interested speculators who will exit at different times and at different amounts of pain. Be prepared, I is.

Not if there are $10M in order book :-) (and invested what you can afford to lose, for 5 years)


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: jubalix on April 02, 2013, 07:52:24 PM
Once again, you fail to understand that bitcoins are not securities.
In your case, your fundamental analysis failed back then, in the same way it is failing now about bitcoins.
Before you failed for being reckless, now you are failing by being too conservative.
Dude, may not be equity securities but they are for the most part traded on open market exchanges like Mt Gox and Bitcoin-central thus the law of demand and supply operate. If you are a technical chartist then you will believe that price action explains all, the background story is irrelevant. If any chartist look at the weekly btc chart then they will conclude that while the present peak cannot be predicted, what is sure to follow is a massive and brutal correction. If you have 1000 bitcoins and the price drops from $150 to $130 in a single day, you will have "lost" $20k, in your mind at least. You might to find your finger waivering on the sell button. Another drop from $130 to $120, oops that's another $10k down the drain. The foolish might stay in an keep losing but you is clever and decide to sell and make $100k profit in the bank. Deposit for a new home, you is quids in. You see, you lot are not an army but a collection of self-interested speculators who will exit at different times and at different amounts of pain. Be prepared, I is.

sighhh...CC's are expanding/displacing GOV FIAT, to thier point of market penetration, the it will level out....and I don't care if BTC goes to ZERO, becuase another CC will arise. Pandoras box is open


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: mestar on April 02, 2013, 11:23:23 PM
You guys fail to understand that bitcoins ARE NOT STOCKS.
And also these are not tulips.
This is unique in the history of humankind, a digital currency with very specific properties with a very unique history.
It is definitely uncharted waters, so any experience you might have had with securities, commodities and/or forex, it is absolutely irrelevant.


"This time it's different."



Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: bitsalame on April 03, 2013, 01:25:46 AM
You guys fail to understand that bitcoins ARE NOT STOCKS.
And also these are not tulips.
This is unique in the history of humankind, a digital currency with very specific properties with a very unique history.
It is definitely uncharted waters, so any experience you might have had with securities, commodities and/or forex, it is absolutely irrelevant.


"This time it's different."


What are you even doing in this forum?
One thing is to ignore what bitcoins are. Another very different thing is to be lacking any reading comprehension skills.
Sell all your bitcoins to me and crawl back to your hole.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: ineededausername on April 03, 2013, 01:27:13 AM
Back on topic... selling at <$80 probably hurts a great deal now.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: myrkul on April 03, 2013, 01:37:39 AM
Back on topic... selling at <$80 probably hurts a great deal now.

No more than having bought a 1.1 million dollar pizza.


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: smoothie on April 03, 2013, 07:39:13 AM
just had to bump this.

How does it feel to have sold below $80 just less a week ago?  ;D


Title: Re: How does it feel to have sold < $80 today?
Post by: Buffer Overflow on April 03, 2013, 07:56:20 AM
Back on topic... selling at <$80 probably hurts a great deal now.

No more than having bought a 1.1 million dollar pizza.

Bet it tasted a million dollars.