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Title: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on March 29, 2013, 07:40:01 AM Quote We are so confident in our power consumption that we are offering up 1000 BTC to charity if we miss our power consumption targets by more than 10%. We are offering our devices at 1 watt consumed per gigahash. If our power targets end up consuming more than 1.1w of power per gigahash, we will donate 1000 BTC to charity! How is that for confidence in our power usage? With the recent focus on power consumption, we want to reiterate that we stand behind our customers and our products. We have designed our mining equipment to be the smallest, fastest, most aesthetically pleasing and most power efficient mining device available on the planet. We guarantee that in the form of 1000 BTC! When you buy a BFL product, you know you're getting the absolute best mining device available, period. Last month, we gave an extensive interview to Bitcoin Magazine where we shared many of the "secrets" and technical details everyone has been been waiting to see. In anticipation of the magazine's release, they've put out a couple teaser pictures of our Jalapeno and MiniRig boards. More pictures are on the way! 1. This quote sounds like someone who had a calculator and thought "hmm if I get X amount of preorders, with Y power consumption and Z hashing power, and sell it for $A then I make billions" 2. "secrets"....that they been lying to their investors the entire time? 3. More pictures mean nothing. 4. They are so confident that they have delivered to date, VAPORWARE. There is BFL drama on the way. Because if BFL ships a product that consumes more power than advertised it could potentially end the life of the product early, then customers will request replacements....etc, ... all I see is a grim future with their current investors once they do ship whatever they paid someone else to cook up for them and call it an ASIC. At least from the looks of it a charity will be getting 1000BTC. That is a hefty donation. Guess whose money that is that is going to the charity....BFL investors' preorder money. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: BBQKorv on March 29, 2013, 03:11:14 PM It's nice to hear BFL will actually do something good for the community. How is the charity been chosen and by whom?
1000BTC is a good donation to whatever charity is decided on. Hopefully josh will not try to downplay this promise like the seppuku one... Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: navigator on March 29, 2013, 04:41:02 PM I agree they should pay the charity if they release with increased power consumption. But does anyone really care about power cost at this point? If the single SC uses double power consumption @ 120watts, then I will have to pay $5/month on power instead of $2.50. Oh noes, where will I find that extra $2.50/month? :D
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: davecoin on March 29, 2013, 04:49:50 PM Oh noes, where will I find that extra $2.50/month? :D That's not the point. Especially when you have 10, 20, or 30 units, or invested in a Mini Rig. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: navigator on March 29, 2013, 04:51:46 PM If I was ordering larger amounts, I would have taken power cost into consideration. When people ordered in June, July, they had no idea how many watts the ASIC would consume.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Frizz23 on March 29, 2013, 04:54:30 PM But does anyone really care about power cost at this point? If the single SC uses double power consumption @ 120watts, then I will have to pay $5/month on power instead of $2.50. Oh noes, where will I find that extra $2.50/month? :D It's not just that. The casing, the heatsink and the fan is not designed to handle 2-3 times more power and heat. I am sure anyone cares about this here: http://www.seered.co.uk/141_4197.jpg Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Frankie Delaney on March 29, 2013, 04:55:49 PM Missing their power target means the minirig won't run on a standard house plug, which has a 15 amp breaker.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on March 29, 2013, 05:09:08 PM In EU we have 230@16A -> 3680W with 1.5Th. Means 25 Singles with 60Gh -> 147.2W per Single. 8)
But I don't trust them that they can reach their numbers and I don't think they can handle this power with their current hardware design. I never bet, otherwise I would now ask if there is a bet that BFL will not deliver in April. Seems to be a save way to earn some money... Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: navigator on March 29, 2013, 05:24:56 PM I didn't realize the minirig was meant for a 15amp breaker. I rarely deal with breakers that small and would never think of putting a minirig on one. Of course I'm concerned if the boards can handle the power or not. I was talking about power cost alone. Currently a minirig at 1500watts would make $10000/day and cost ~$2/day in power. That's the part I'm talking about. Even if it's double it will cost $4/day.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Frankie Delaney on March 29, 2013, 05:33:28 PM I didn't realize the minirig was meant for a 15amp breaker. I rarely deal with breakers that small and would never think of putting a minirig on one. Of course I'm concerned if the boards can handle the power or not. I was talking about power cost alone. Currently a minirig at 1500watts would make $10000/day and cost ~$2/day in power. That's the part I'm talking about. Even if it's double it will cost $4/day. You also have to consider that pretty much every watt in will be converted to heat. If their thermal design is based around 1500 watts, and suddenly it's producing 3000 watts of heat, we're going to have some fires on our hands. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: navigator on March 29, 2013, 05:45:38 PM Yes, you're right, but that's their problem, not mine. My problem is how much the power cost, which I'm saying isn't a problem at all. When there was a switch from CPU's to GPU's, no one was concerned about the cost of the GPU's power usage. As time went on power usage became more and more of a concern. People started tweaking. The same will go for first gen ASIC's, where power consumption isn't very important. They said they would send out more units if power consumption is beyond the thermal design. So you get 2 minirigs at 750gh/s & 1500watts each. If they send me 2 x 20gh/s @ 60watts each for my single SC order, I still wouldn't care. Of course the thing better not blow up or catch on fire lol
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Frizz23 on March 29, 2013, 06:09:21 PM In EU we have 230@16A -> 3680W with 1.5Th. Means 25 Singles with 60Gh -> 147.2W per Single. 8) How do those things make it into the EU? I don't think BFL gets CE approval (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking) with this increased power requirements. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: BitcoinTate on March 29, 2013, 06:11:59 PM I am so glad I asked for a refund from BFL back in February and used my refund to buy BTC back when it was at $24. :)
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: 2weiX on March 29, 2013, 06:20:29 PM In EU we have 230@16A -> 3680W with 1.5Th. Means 25 Singles with 60Gh -> 147.2W per Single. 8) How do those things make it into the EU? I don't think BFL gets CE approval (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking) with this increased power requirements. did they ever think to get one, anyways? Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: NEO2012 on March 29, 2013, 07:20:06 PM But does anyone really care about power cost at this point? If the single SC uses double power consumption @ 120watts, then I will have to pay $5/month on power instead of $2.50. Oh noes, where will I find that extra $2.50/month? :D It's not just that. The casing, the heatsink and the fan is not designed to handle 2-3 times more power and heat. I am sure anyone cares about this here: http://www.seered.co.uk/141_4197.jpg Warning: BFL has failed to deliver for >7 months. It could be a scam! yeah bfl seeem to be a scam of epic proportions Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Entropy-uc on March 29, 2013, 07:48:37 PM If there isn't a cancelled check from Josh to a suitable, independent and registered charity within 48 hours hasn't he finally earned himself the scammer tag?
It's obvious they have known for a couple weeks they wouldn't hit their performance spec. So Josh, where's the proof you kept your promise? BTW, has everyone noticed what a pretty shade of yellow highlighting Josh has these days? Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Fiyasko on March 29, 2013, 07:56:48 PM How about half to charity and half goes back to the INVESTORS THAT WERE CONNED INTO THINKING WE WERE PREORDERING.
A fucking preorder means that your are in the process of construction the final product and are getting ready to ship. When BFL started taking preorders, THEY HAD NOTHING BUT TEXT, They were NOT "building" anything, It was all think tank brainstorming, and they needed our money to buy thier chips! Now they are reselling us OUR INVESTMENT!!! That is just fucked up!, I dont think some random charity should get the money that was aquired from BFL "pre orderers/INVESTORS" under false pretenses! Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: NEO2012 on March 29, 2013, 08:02:11 PM If there isn't a cancelled check from Josh to a suitable, independent and registered charity within 48 hours hasn't he finally earned himself the scammer tag? It's obvious they have known for a couple weeks they wouldn't hit their performance spec. So Josh, where's the proof you kept your promise? BTW, has everyone noticed what a pretty shade of yellow highlighting Josh has these days? THAT JOSH SLIMY SLIME OF THE SNAKE REALL IRITATES ME MORE THEN BFL ITSELF TALKS LIKE HE KNOWS ENGLISH USES WORDS HE DOSENT KNOW HOW TO USE AND LIES LIKE A FREAKIN BITCH WHO HAS BEEN PROMISED A BIG ARAB DICK WITH A ARAB PRINCE ON IT IF STRING ALONG THE HERD LIKE A REAL SLUT AND HIS DOING IT LIKE OSCAR NOMINEE MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT JUST LIKE ANOTHER COOMON FAIMOUS DUCHE LIENG SCUMBAG WOULD SAY Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on March 29, 2013, 08:14:45 PM How do those things make it into the EU? I don't think BFL gets CE approval (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking) with this increased power requirements. You do not 'get' a CE approval, you declare yourself that your product conforms to the CE rules. But I don't think that we have to deal with this kind of problems in the next few months. >:( Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: NEO2012 on March 29, 2013, 08:37:01 PM In EU we have 230@16A -> 3680W with 1.5Th. Means 25 Singles with 60Gh -> 147.2W per Single. 8) But I don't trust them that they can reach their numbers and I don't think they can handle this power with their current hardware design. I never bet, otherwise I would now ask if there is a bet that BFL will not deliver in April. Seems to be a save way to earn some money... BFL WILL NOT DELIVER SHEAT IN APRIL EITHER IN THE REMOTE CASE THEY WILL WILL BE NO MORE THEN 100 UNITS AKA ORDERS PLACED IN THE FIRST DAY 1000 CHIPS DIVIDED BY 8 CHIPS PER ONE SINGLE 6OGH SC IS 125 UNIT BUT NOW THEY NEED AT LEAST DUBLE THE CHIPS SO 62 UNITS COUNT TEST UNITS DEMOS ETC FRIENDS AND FAMILY THEN WONT SHIP MOR ETHE 50 UNITS IN NEXT FEW MONhs if they do at all witch is 50 out of 27000 orders are starting to see the the picture here? for all intensive purposes its a scam they porbbbaly try do somehting jsut so the fbi dosent come after them for outright fraud Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: allinvain on March 29, 2013, 11:42:43 PM How about equity in BFL? If they built everything using our money we are akin to shareholders anyways. Just a wild thought.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on March 30, 2013, 01:58:15 PM Is the charity donation already paid or will the BFL accounts here get the scammer tag?
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: PuertoLibre on March 31, 2013, 09:19:46 AM I dunno, 100k USD (or 1000 BTC) is pretty hefty. I bet now he will have to convert USD to BTC (right?)
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on March 31, 2013, 09:26:50 AM I assume the charity donation will not be paid!
Josh will avoid this topic like a hot potato or he will use his typical weasel words. Well, I expect a proof that the donation is paid or a scammer tag. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: dave3 on March 31, 2013, 09:30:34 AM If only they had some way to generate the coins for the donation...
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Bowjob on March 31, 2013, 09:50:54 AM I vote Khan Academy for the donation. That will most likely get Salman Khan to make a video about bitcoins.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: BBQKorv on March 31, 2013, 11:56:55 AM If there isn't a cancelled check from Josh to a suitable, independent and registered charity within 48 hours hasn't he finally earned himself the scammer tag? It's obvious they have known for a couple weeks they wouldn't hit their performance spec. So Josh, where's the proof you kept your promise? BTW, has everyone noticed what a pretty shade of yellow highlighting Josh has these days? How long do we have to wait for for the scammer tag on Josh? I haven't heard of any 1000BTC donation so far. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Bogart on March 31, 2013, 12:10:39 PM Missing their power target means the minirig won't run on a standard house plug, which has a 15 amp breaker. It also means the Jalapeņo won't run on 2 USB 2.0 ports, as was planned. I guess it might stand a better chance of keeping keeping your coffee warm though, so hey, it's not all bad, right? Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Entropy-uc on March 31, 2013, 04:18:17 PM If there isn't a cancelled check from Josh to a suitable, independent and registered charity within 48 hours hasn't he finally earned himself the scammer tag? It's obvious they have known for a couple weeks they wouldn't hit their performance spec. So Josh, where's the proof you kept your promise? BTW, has everyone noticed what a pretty shade of yellow highlighting Josh has these days? How long do we have to wait for for the scammer tag on Josh? I haven't heard of any 1000BTC donation so far. Someone has to open an accusation thread. And it should be for all of BFL. Josh made the commitment in the name of the company. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: PuertoLibre on March 31, 2013, 05:54:57 PM Missing their power target means the minirig won't run on a standard house plug, which has a 15 amp breaker. It also means the Jalapeņo won't run on 2 USB 2.0 ports, as was planned. I guess it might stand a better chance of keeping keeping your coffee warm though, so hey, it's not all bad, right? Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: witherworth on March 31, 2013, 06:57:09 PM Missing their power target means the minirig won't run on a standard house plug, which has a 15 amp breaker. It also means the Jalapeņo won't run on 2 USB 2.0 ports, as was planned. I guess it might stand a better chance of keeping keeping your coffee warm though, so hey, it's not all bad, right? Unless they ship 2 of them for every 1 you ordered. So the power consumption is low enough to support USB, but then it'll require 2 times as many USB ports. On the bright side, you can put one below and one on top of your drink to keep it nice and warm! If they get any worse with ye power, you may have enough to completely box in your coffee! Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: neotrix on March 31, 2013, 07:13:53 PM I guess they are working to create their own charity organsation fastly to give to themself... ;D
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Frizz23 on March 31, 2013, 07:25:36 PM I guess they are working to create their own charity organsation fastly to give to themself... ;D Maybe they could donate it to the World Clown Association (http://worldclown.com/) http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/k9l5-1b-d9d4.jpg Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: neotrix on March 31, 2013, 08:33:11 PM I guess they are working to create their own charity organsation fastly to give to themself... ;D Maybe they could donate it to the World Clown Association (http://worldclown.com/) http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/k9l5-1b-d9d4.jpg You should suggest them a similar name for their future charity organization ;D Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: regular on March 31, 2013, 08:35:13 PM They will probably donate at the USD rate when the charity claim was announced.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Frankie Delaney on March 31, 2013, 08:37:33 PM They will probably donate at the USD rate when the charity claim was announced. That would be the complete scumbag thing to do, and worthy of a scammer tag. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: PuertoLibre on March 31, 2013, 11:26:13 PM I guess they are working to create their own charity organsation fastly to give to themself... ;D After the refunds they will get, they might as well call themselves a charity.Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Fiyasko on March 31, 2013, 11:51:31 PM They will probably donate at the USD rate when the charity claim was announced. It would make sense for them to do this, Bitcoins have jumped up Pretty Fast...Dont know if they were just stupid to make a BTC promise, Or really That Full Of Themselves Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Bugpowder on April 01, 2013, 12:15:27 AM How about equity in BFL? If they built everything using our money we are akin to shareholders anyways. Just a wild thought. equity in a failed company is worthless btw. EDIT : Actually could be less than worthless, they may have more debt than assets at this point. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: uhoh on April 01, 2013, 12:23:27 AM What a car crash of a situation this is.
Obviously if they don't ship anything it doesn't really matter, but if they ship something shortly this will be terrible PR. What I want to know is their projected GP when the power consumption was on track because I can't think of many businesses that wouldn't instantly go bust if they had to send 2 units for every 1 ordered, especially when the pre-order book is huge. That said, if they manage to stay afloat and do ship, it would be pretty disgusting not to honour this pledge. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: DBordello on April 01, 2013, 12:28:52 AM I would vote for the donation to be used to encourage nonprofits to accept bitcoin donations. I can think of at least one local one that could be convinced to put a prominent bitcoin donation button on their web page in exchange for a piece of 1000 BTC.
Just my 0.00000002 BTC Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: regular on April 01, 2013, 01:18:38 AM I would vote for the donation to be used to encourage nonprofits to accept bitcoin donations. I can think of at least one local one that could be convinced to put a prominent bitcoin donation button on their web page in exchange for a piece of 1000 BTC. Just my 0.00000002 BTC +1 BFL can use this bad publicity to further the bitcoin community. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: PuertoLibre on April 01, 2013, 07:07:26 AM Well Inaba claims they aren't shipping yet. So they lose numerous bets.
"I want to clarify the above post, as there is some potential confusion. We are not shipping yet. We plan on shipping possibly by the end of next week, but I will update on a shipping schedule as soon as I have more definitive information with regards to that." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html#post21092 Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: crazyates on April 01, 2013, 08:34:23 AM https://twitter.com/BFL_News/status/318601948678983681
Quote BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - We will be honoring the 1000 BTC donation to charity. We haven't decided what charity/ies we will be donating to yet. /thread Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: cedivad on April 01, 2013, 08:36:58 AM https://twitter.com/BFL_News/status/318601948678983681 Your first 1000 clients should do.Quote BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - We will be honoring the 1000 BTC donation to charity. We haven't decided what charity/ies we will be donating to yet. /thread Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on April 01, 2013, 08:42:59 AM https://twitter.com/BFL_News/status/318601948678983681 Quote BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - We will be honoring the 1000 BTC donation to charity. We haven't decided what charity/ies we will be donating to yet. /thread So this point is clear now: Not silence but weasel words. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: aTg on April 01, 2013, 03:47:08 PM The greatest act of charity could do is donate those 1000 BTC their poor defrauded customers ...
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: PuertoLibre on April 01, 2013, 03:49:58 PM https://twitter.com/BFL_News/status/318601948678983681 Wait a minute! He didn't honor the seppuku....scammer tag earned!Quote BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - We will be honoring the 1000 BTC donation to charity. We haven't decided what charity/ies we will be donating to yet. /thread It's his honor at stake, so that means it's seppuku or the scammer tag. Mods? Please weigh in on this! Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: crazyates on April 02, 2013, 04:32:56 PM https://twitter.com/BFL_News/status/318601948678983681 Wait a minute! He didn't honor the seppuku....scammer tag earned!Quote BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - We will be honoring the 1000 BTC donation to charity. We haven't decided what charity/ies we will be donating to yet. /thread It's his honor at stake, so that means it's seppuku or the scammer tag. Mods? Please weigh in on this! Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: glendall on April 02, 2013, 04:48:01 PM I'm surprised how civil the majority of BFL preorder folks are. Just knowing that if they bought BTC instead, or if the orders came even a few months late, how much money they would have made.
I guess if I had money in than I'd really want to believe that the units were always just around the corner. But from my outsider perspective, I can't believe how long people have been strung along with this perpetual 'we are going to ship 2 weeks from now' since, honestly, how many months? 6 ? The latest April Fools no-joke "shipping" joke would be it. At least to BFL's credit they are honoring refunds and seem to process these fairly quickly, so there is that. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: FreshJR on April 03, 2013, 08:38:11 PM Choose a charity, or group of charities, right now so others can see if its valid or SHUT THE FUCK UP AND SIT DOWN.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: BR0KK on April 03, 2013, 08:52:16 PM Donating 1000 BTC from preorder BTC is somewhat of a charity ;)
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: bcpokey on April 04, 2013, 05:58:52 PM Charity is the stripper name of the girls at the CO's favorite strip club. Probably almost at 1000btc already.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: ammo88 on April 04, 2013, 06:16:32 PM Charity is the stripper name of the girls at the CO's favorite strip club. Probably almost at 1000btc already. That may be true, but then we can be happy because the money were then given to someone poor! right? Or do strippers make good money in the US? ;D Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on April 08, 2013, 05:40:51 AM Any new information on this topic? Did any charity already receive the 1000 BTC donation?
If they do not ship my product or pay my refund, they should at least make this charity donation! Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: PuertoLibre on April 08, 2013, 05:58:38 AM Donating 1000 BTC from preorder BTC is somewhat of a charity ;) Now valued at 168,000USDTitle: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on April 08, 2013, 06:05:42 AM Doesn't matter. The donation was not promised in USD so it's 1000 BTC no matter what the rate is.
I want to see a charity announcing "thank you for the 1000 BTC donation" and not weasel words from BFL! Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 08, 2013, 06:23:03 AM Doesn't matter. The donation was not promised in USD so it's 1000 BTC no matter what the rate is. I want to see a charity announcing "thank you for the 1000 BTC donation" and not weasel words from BFL! BFL is in the unique position of getting an NPO to embed a Bitcoin donation onto their website as a simple term in accepting the soon to be quarter million dollar donation. Surely they're not thinking about photoshopping some document proving that $X was sent to Charity Y, otherwise... Me: Hello, Charity Y. CY: How can we help you today? Me: I donated money to BFL in your name and they said that they sent you $X (1,000 BTC). Did you receive... Why are you laughing? CY: Sorry, but the check they sent us bounced like a rubber chicken. They did give us a voucher... Why are you laughing? Me: Was the voucher for 25% off the future order of chicken feed... Why are you laughing? CY: No! It was for some sort of their out-of-stock money mining machine manufactured by some guy who used to be in the lottery business and the son of some guy who once ran for governor of Nevada. I think I peed my pants. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on April 08, 2013, 01:20:20 PM Guys I am making a Smoothie charity:
Smoothie's Charity of Trust Respect Love Honor Rainbows Care Bears With Chocolate HEY BFL FUCK-TARDS! WANNA DONATE 1000 BTC TO MY SUPER AWESOME NEW CHARITY? ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on April 11, 2013, 07:49:11 PM Any new on the BFL charity donation? No BFL, I don't forget that you have promised to pay 1000 BTC to a charity.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: yxt on April 11, 2013, 09:03:45 PM As if BFL would donate ever!
They shitting even on their own customers Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Fiyasko on April 11, 2013, 09:05:58 PM Any new on the BFL charity donation? No BFL, I don't forget that you have promised to pay 1000 BTC to a charity. Oh dont worry, I think maybe they might pay it perhapes possibly sometime roughly later around when btc value is lowTitle: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: BR0KK on April 11, 2013, 09:21:33 PM As if BFL would donate ever! They shitting even their own customers Sure they will.... but with preorder funds :P Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on April 12, 2013, 02:24:08 PM It is not my problem how they pay. Now the exchange rate is down, so they could pay this 1000 BTC. Or did they already receive the Scammer tag?
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: subject on April 16, 2013, 03:36:42 PM From BFL_Josh's update today:
"Things are mostly stabilized at this point and with our current boards (we do not have the redesigned boards in house yet), power usage exceeds the 1w/GH, unfortunately, but it's much better than anything out by 40 - 50%, at the wall." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: creativex on April 16, 2013, 04:37:30 PM From BFL_Josh's update today: "Things are mostly stabilized at this point and with our current boards (we do not have the redesigned boards in house yet), power usage exceeds the 1w/GH, unfortunately, but it's much better than anything out by 40 - 50%, at the wall." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html I think he(Josh) previously indicated around 6w/Gh/s. Avalon is using around 9.39w/Gh/s. So Josh is saying BFL will be 40 - 50% lower, but it looks more like 36% better if their current numbers are at all believable...unlike their old numbers. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Fiyasko on April 16, 2013, 07:49:12 PM Fraudsters
Scammers Liars I want a damn product in my hands Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: a1phanumrc on April 16, 2013, 08:33:07 PM Quote from: BFL With the recent focus on power consumption, we want to reiterate that we stand behind our customers and our products. We have designed our mining equipment to be the smallest, fastest, most aesthetically pleasing and most power efficient mining device available on the planet. We guarantee that in the form of 1000 BTC! When you buy a BFL product, you know you're getting the absolute best mining device available, period. It would be nice to see Butterfly Labs update us on their promise. If they began delivery tomorrow I would refuse to place an order without some sort of acknowledgement of this promise. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: subject on April 16, 2013, 08:52:29 PM It would be nice to see Butterfly Labs update us on their promise. If they began delivery tomorrow I would refuse to place an order without some sort of acknowledgement of this promise. office@butterflylabs.com Is their e-mail. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/123-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-they-miss-their-power-targets-comments4.html Is the article. E-mail them asking about it. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: John Self on April 16, 2013, 10:23:49 PM BFL timeline for charity donation: Soon(TM)
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: cmg5461 on April 28, 2013, 10:37:54 PM This thread makes me giggle
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on April 28, 2013, 11:00:32 PM 1. Now that they "delivered" they did not meet their power specs.
2. So the need to pay 1000 BTC to a charity and have it confirmed. 3. They will delay on this promise and wait until enough suckers buy more BFL products to fund BFL failures (i.e. this promise to donate). Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on May 04, 2013, 03:21:31 PM bump
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: jordaninthesky on May 04, 2013, 08:24:09 PM I think they are awaiting pending liability investigations and trying to figure if they can survive before they touch this topic. Oh, and they'll probably ship to 90% of the orders before they come out with rev. 5 of the chip in which 1w/gh is met and they try to slip out of the bet on a technicality.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on May 05, 2013, 11:22:26 AM To: INABA/BFL/Josh
Since Tom is refusing to actually make the bet he himself proposed between us, I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet." Now, I ask if Tom is willing to step up and back the winning side. He is 100% confident that we will not meet our power claims (which is the genesis of the failed bet), and as such I ask that he pony up 1000 BTC to the same charity if we do make our power claims. So there it is: Tom is confident that we won't make our power claims, I am confident that we will. I am willing to put up 1000 BTC to show my confidence in BFL products. Is Tom confident enough to do the same or is he just blowing hot air? Hey dipshit, Now that you ass-hats have failed to deliver on your power specs and speeds, perhaps it is time to pay up the 1000 BTC to a charity and then prove you actually paid them? Oh wait...you have more important things to do like troll BTCtalk and cuss at your customers. ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: BBQKorv on May 05, 2013, 12:02:52 PM To: INABA/BFL/Josh Since Tom is refusing to actually make the bet he himself proposed between us, I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet." Now, I ask if Tom is willing to step up and back the winning side. He is 100% confident that we will not meet our power claims (which is the genesis of the failed bet), and as such I ask that he pony up 1000 BTC to the same charity if we do make our power claims. So there it is: Tom is confident that we won't make our power claims, I am confident that we will. I am willing to put up 1000 BTC to show my confidence in BFL products. Is Tom confident enough to do the same or is he just blowing hot air? Hey dipshit, Now that you ass-hats have failed to deliver on your power specs and speeds, perhaps it is time to pay up the 1000 BTC to a charity and then prove you actually paid them? Oh wait...you have more important things to do like troll BTCtalk and cuss at your customers. ;D ;D ;D They play the iqnoring game now? Slippery business, I must say. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on May 05, 2013, 12:44:32 PM A scammer never pays! If Tom finishes his refunds he can pass the scammer tag to Josh and all the others from BFL.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: yxt on May 05, 2013, 12:53:58 PM Donation is in the last stage of payment.... ;D
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Xian01 on May 05, 2013, 03:27:31 PM they'll probably ship to 90% of the orders before they come out with rev. 5 of the chip in which 1w/gh is met and they try to slip out of the bet on a technicality. ;) I saw it that way as well https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192340.msg2028637#msg2028637 Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Fiyasko on May 05, 2013, 04:26:53 PM Such a fucking crooked "business" they are total condesending jerks and there is little to nothing we can do about it!
Wheres the donation? Seven months ago the ASIC's were in thier "Final stage of development" They are still being fucking developed, and only a few, like 5 people have a rev.1 board!!! Fire that asshole BFL_Josh!, He is horrible for PR! Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on May 05, 2013, 11:39:43 PM Donation is in the last stage of payment.... ;D LOL so funny Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: PuertoLibre on May 05, 2013, 11:48:19 PM they'll probably ship to 90% of the orders before they come out with rev. 5 of the chip in which 1w/gh is met and they try to slip out of the bet on a technicality. ;) I saw it that way as well https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192340.msg2028637#msg2028637 Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on May 06, 2013, 01:05:49 AM What is funny to me is that Josh/BFL was so eager to make the 1000 BTC bet because they were so sure they would hit their target mark on speed/power specs.
Now they been proven to be wrong, lost the bet, now they drag their feet on fulfilling the bet terms saying "we are busy, that bet isn't priority right now." Well obviously your customers are not your priority now, nor is the bet, so I guess trolling and dragging your feet is priority?? lol Classic scammer tactic. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: BR0KK on May 08, 2013, 07:26:53 AM Hm.... For my untestanding this whole debacle would classify him for a scammers tag. Am I right to assume that he made the bet here on bitcointalk? ....
If that's true why didn't he be awarded with one of those beautifull medal of scam? As always: if I'm wrong, enlighten me with links to facts!? Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on May 08, 2013, 09:48:39 AM Hm.... For my untestanding this whole debacle would classify him for a scammers tag. Am I right to assume that he made the bet here on bitcointalk? .... If that's true why didn't he be awarded with one of those beautifull medal of scam? As always: if I'm wrong, enlighten me with links to facts!? Yes he made a bet for 1000 BTC with user Runeks. Josh lost the bet and claims to have settled with user Runeks but will not provide any proof that he did settle. BFL has so far failed to pay the 1000 BTC donation to a charity because they did not meet their power/speed marks. Why you say he didnt get a scammer tag yet? Perhaps it is because he spam advertizes on this forum. Theymos appears to be running a double standard here. I'm giving it some time to see what he does though. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: yxt on May 08, 2013, 09:58:06 AM and claims to have settled with user Runeks but will not provide any proof that he did settle. link for that? I wonder all the time why Runeks is so quiet If they both agreed, OK Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on May 08, 2013, 10:12:09 AM and claims to have settled with user Runeks but will not provide any proof that he did settle. link for that? I wonder all the time why Runeks is so quiet If they both agreed, OK To the bet or Josh's claim? Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: BR0KK on May 08, 2013, 11:18:29 AM and claims to have settled with user Runeks but will not provide any proof that he did settle. link for that? I wonder all the time why Runeks is so quiet If they both agreed, OK To the bet or Josh's claim? Both links would be great ;) Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on May 08, 2013, 12:20:20 PM and claims to have settled with user Runeks but will not provide any proof that he did settle. link for that? I wonder all the time why Runeks is so quiet If they both agreed, OK To the bet or Josh's claim? Both links would be great ;) Bet link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191600.0 Josh's claim he paid (with no proof just talk as usual): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191697.msg1991403#msg1991403 Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: yxt on May 08, 2013, 12:26:42 PM thx
As long as Runeks does not post, it is probably done... not my prob.. But charity donation ;D Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on May 10, 2013, 11:37:05 AM Update from Josh on "why" they will not be fulfilling their 1000 BTC donation bet to a charity (LOLz)...yet:
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/article-comments/182-article-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-we-miss-our-power-targets-7.html#post31151 Quote Once we get all of our product lines up and running and everything is shipping out we'll focus on this and other areas. Right now, we don't really have the resources to figure out where $115,000+ is going to go. Contrary to popular belief, it's not easy to donate bitcoins and we aren't just going to pick a random charity and donate to it. We are going to assess the options and donate to the charities that will be most beneficial to bitcoin. I'm still of the mind to potentially offer it to EFF as bitcoins only if they'll take it... $115,000 donation is nothing to sneeze at and it would force the EFF to confront the bitcoin spectre they have been hiding from. :D :D :D LOL @ ^^ 1. Josh says it isn't easy to donate bitcoins to a charity. IDEA: Find charity call them up tell them you would like to donate $XXX,XXX to them. But then tell them it is denominated in bitcoins, then proceed to show them how to cash out if they want (generally). They could even setup a blockchain.info wallet omfg lol or paper wallet for that matter. ... 2. Now the charity NEEDs to benefit bitcoin the most. Well any charity openly accepting 1000 BTC will benefit bitcoin as it would be GOOD PRESS for BITCOIN all around. Not necessarily would it be good press for BFL given the premise of the bet lol. 3. Right now they do not have the "resources" to fulfill the bet. Well lol with most of you sitting around twiddling your thumbs for the past year I think you can take a day or two to fulfill your obligations that you SHOULD be able to fulfill. ASIC development =/= Donating 1000 BTC. Oh right.... ASIC DEVELOPMENT = "IT'S HARD" 1000 BTC DONATION = "IT'S HARD TOO" DEALING WITH DISGRUNTLED CUSTOMERS = "OH YEAH THAT IS HARD TOO...WAH WAH WAAAH" lolz Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: maxl on May 10, 2013, 12:40:05 PM I think they can't do the donation in the moment, because the don't have or need the money otherwise.
The new designs, etc. Neesd much money. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on May 10, 2013, 04:16:35 PM I think they can't do the donation in the moment, because the don't have or need the money otherwise. The new designs, etc. Neesd much money. It really isnt our problem that they dont have the money. Josh and BFL shouldn't have been shooting off their mouths SO QUICKLY about hitting their power/speed/price marks if they couldn't deliver either the promised specs or the 1000 BTC. Once again this goes to show how full of shit BFL is on anything they say or claim. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Bicknellski on May 11, 2013, 07:45:56 AM I'll take the 1000 BTC for scholarships for needy students it would certainly help a great number of Indonesian students get a great education.... but he has to convert them to FRC first then he can send it to me.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: PuertoLibre on May 11, 2013, 08:53:46 AM I'll take the 1000 BTC for scholarships for needy students it would certainly help a great number of Indonesian students get a great education.... but he has to convert them to FRC first then he can send it to me. They should instead use that 1000 BTC to buy a good chunk of the Zimbabwe industry (assuming there is any) or that of Nigeria.With this they can then setup shop over there, avoid tons of taxes and start an AD campaign without government oversight. I know or one or two emails from Nigerian princes who need me to send them 1000 USD so I can (help them and help myself) collect on 100,000,000. If I probably help them with my proposed BTC network connections...then I will be bloody rich. Do you know how long this guy in Nigeria had been trying to collect his 100mil? A long time... Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on May 28, 2013, 05:09:58 AM Another few weeks have passed. Is there any information that BFL payed the 1000 BTC to a charity? Links?!
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Xian01 on May 28, 2013, 05:25:06 AM Another few weeks have passed. Is there any information that BFL payed the 1000 BTC to a charity? Links?! There is a growing sentiment on these forums to have Inaba branded with a "Scammer" tag for not honoring this bet in a timely manner. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208837.0 Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: mezzomix on May 28, 2013, 05:50:40 AM The bet was made by a representative of BFL speaking for BFL. All BFL accounts deserve the spammer tag!
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Bicknellski on May 28, 2013, 06:15:41 AM The longer this drags on the worse it gets.
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on May 28, 2013, 06:46:53 AM All the signs are there.
Anyone that gets scammed by BFL please refrain from crying on these forums. You have been warned for about 10 months now. Yes 10 months. Last July I posted how it made no sense how BFL could make such insane power/speed claims for their price target for preorders. Yet people still ordered for 10 months after that despite that glaring fact. To this day they did not answer my post. And my suspicions rang true showing that BFL had no fucking clue on their specs. I've got my popcorn ready for this fireworks show once BFL blows up. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 28, 2013, 07:40:41 AM All the signs are there. Anyone that gets scammed by BFL please refrain from crying on these forums. You have been warned for about 10 months now. Yes 10 months. Last July I posted how it made no sense how BFL could make such insane power/speed claims for their price target for preorders. Yet people still ordered for 10 months after that despite that glaring fact. To this day they did not answer my post. And my suspicions rang true showing that BFL had no fucking clue on their specs. I've got my popcorn ready for this fireworks show once BFL blows up. And only you are to blame, for if you would've giving them a quarter, they would have used it purchase a fucking clue on their specs. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: creativex on May 28, 2013, 07:54:45 PM All the signs are there. Anyone that gets scammed by BFL please refrain from crying on these forums. You have been warned for about 10 months now. Yes 10 months. Last July I posted how it made no sense how BFL could make such insane power/speed claims for their price target for preorders. Yet people still ordered for 10 months after that despite that glaring fact. To this day they did not answer my post. And my suspicions rang true showing that BFL had no fucking clue on their specs. I've got my popcorn ready for this fireworks show once BFL blows up. And only you are to blame, for if you would've giving them a quarter, they would have used it purchase a fucking clue on their specs. DAFUQ SMOOTHIE!?! Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: KGambler on May 28, 2013, 08:47:41 PM How the hell doesn't Josh Zerlan have a scammer tag for this shameless BFL gambit?
Oh, right. They have a business relationship with bitcointalk. ::) Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Fiyasko on May 28, 2013, 09:10:04 PM How the hell doesn't Josh Zerlan have a scammer tag for this shameless BFL gambit? No kidding, This is totally unfiar "We are allowed to misbehave because we pay to advertise on these forums"Oh, right. They have a business relationship with bitcointalk. ::) Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Xian01 on May 28, 2013, 10:17:38 PM How the hell doesn't Josh Zerlan have a scammer tag for this shameless BFL gambit? Oh, right. They have a business relationship with bitcointalk. ::) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208837.0 The discussion thread is here if you would like to express your concerns to the forum staff. Their silence in this matter is deafening. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Bicknellski on May 29, 2013, 12:48:03 AM Inequity.
Not good. Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: punin on June 05, 2013, 09:00:45 AM They have donated! And the 1000 BTC goes to *drumroll* THEIR OWN CHARITY (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/134-butterfly-labs-donates-1000-btc-charity-bitcoin-related-projects.html). ROTFLMAO. Scammer tag anyone?
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: Unacceptable on June 05, 2013, 09:05:19 AM http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/DOUBLEFACEPALM.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/Bigblock462/media/DOUBLEFACEPALM.jpg.html)
Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: RoadStress on June 05, 2013, 09:32:34 AM They have donated! And the 1000 BTC goes to *drumroll* THEIR OWN CHARITY (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/134-butterfly-labs-donates-1000-btc-charity-bitcoin-related-projects.html). ROTFLMAO. Scammer tag anyone? Created on: 06-May-13. *DOUBLE FACEPALM* Title: Re: BFL power consumption / Charity Donation Post by: smoothie on June 05, 2013, 09:37:26 AM BFL should have been more transparent and used an escrow to hold the funds while they "donate" to projects.
Of course they won't go this route because they actually have to be accountable to a 3rd party. |
