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hello there i just want to ask if you know a gambling site that offers a PVP chess game? I want to play some chess and at the same time earn some profit, :D
I'm tired on playing with bot at my computer. Thanks in advance for future responds.  ;)

Did you ever try or hear velocitychess, I just heard it last year and I don't know if the site still ok so just visit on that site , there is free vchips when you play and you can buy it also, and many mode of payment one of it is btc.

thanks i will try it. Im going to check out first if there site is legit and paying, And i preferred a PVP rather than bot. I will feedback here once i review. 8)
Gtg.

Go and check it I dont really try it im not good in chess game there also tournament there if I'm not mistaken.

I don't think if tere is any. I there is one, I would've already been playing it for so long but unfortunately I haven't found anything.
I do know that there is a game called bella chess on google play here you can get bella coi for playing. It has a pvp iirc. Unfortunately it doesn't work on my phone. I believe they have a thread here somewhere.

I think you are good in chess i hope that they are game chess like on facebook that you are using key words to moves those officials like pawn,horse,bishop,rock,king,queen try on facebook and try @fbchess to your friend it will pop up soon it will be created by a good developer.

Why there aren't many of these PvPs is because you won't know if you are playing with a bot.

For example
I take black, you take white.
I run a PvE chess game at maximum difficulty on my PC. (I take white)
You make your move.
I make the same move in the PvE game, wait for it to make the smartest move, and make the same move in the real game. Wait and repeat.

I remember there was an altcoin last year that was talking about setting this up but I don't think it actually got off the ground, it would be very popular but I think one of the challenges was in how to avoid bots from being created and ruining the experience.

I'd be careful in playing chess online for money.  There are a lot of software that are used that automates your opponents' moves.  So in a way tou are still playing with bots.

Yeah i mean you can just use windows chess on level 9 like was mentioned.  Best thing is just to gamble against your friends with chess.

For me I have not seen one and won't even encourage doing it online only if I will do it with other players that are verifiable and not computers that it can be set to a pro, pro pro level and I won't he to win anything...

There was a whole movie about using this tactics, long before computers got widespread. The plot was built around some trickster who separately challenged two chess champions which hated each other. They agreed to play against him as well as lose substantially more than win since they innocently believed they could easily smash to pieces their insolent opponent. While in fact they turned out to be playing against each other at the end of the day. I don't remember the movie title though. Anyone know?

Yeah i think this also, it's easy to cheat in chess game, so If your not professional player in chess it's better to stay away in that.  But if your pro you can match those people who use bot to win the game.

i am interested in that movie too if anyone know its name pls inform

How do we know that the OP is not going to do exactly the same? On the other hand, someone like Vladimir Kramnik or Vishy Anand could easily make fools of these bots and people behind them, if he ever wanted to, of course.


That trickster got in jail in the end, though, and had to play chess against his cellmates and guards, evidently without much success.

Never seen such site but i think it will be very good idea to have one. However i am not that much fan about chess, also have heard some guys have made ethereum smart contract based chess game recently. Can't find link to that news but i have read it some days ago.

Let's face it. People with professional Chess background represent maybe 0.0001% of population probably less. 99.999% of other people would be easily crushed by good chess program.
You can't create service where only top of the tops pro prayers could play and win with Chess bots.
When money is on the line people will cheat for sure. So this is a reason we don't have now, and won't have in the future any pvp chess platform where you can win money.

Wow! I think your great at playing chess, well in chess.com they are now accepting bitcoin so you could play on them or you can try Chess.com's Bitcoin Sister platform called Gambit.com entrepreneurs who took Chess.com from a small business webpage to one of the most frequented online gaming websites you can try it!

I also never heard about bitcoin related chess game because pvp take a lot of time, I think majority of the people are interested in that kind of game which is purely based on skill and that is the reason it not have bigger community like luck based games.

I was also looking for this kind of game but he answer me the same as you. Thats the risk on that no matter how good you are, you cant win with bot and it would be hard to verify if the player use bot or not.

I tend to disagree. If all parties cheat by using bots, what difference does it make then? And if someone's highly advanced chess program running on a top-notch hardware nevertheless loses miserably to a grandmaster in disguise, what could be wrong with that? In other words, it is still the same game of chess and the same set of rules, and someone (or something) has to lose in the end (deliberately discarding a possible draw here).

I never heard gambling site that providing a game of chess maybe you can use other game and made a deal of bet with other btctalk member.

Bitcoin chess? Something new!

Think it's a good idea for developers  ;)

As of now never seen any site that has chess game or well known site that has chess.. but i hope maybe other gambling devs there can make a game like that so that pro in chess can use their skill in that game.. PVP is one of the good if someone can put a game and we only pay for fee for every battle..

Was it partypoker that attempted this with backgammon or another site? They had backgammon on T.v like poker to attempt to spread it to the masses and it never took off.
Poker was just starting to get scrutinized for cheating and backgammon optics did not fair well under the look of most players just being bots making the best move.
Imagine chess would face the same dilemma and death if it was ever to get going anywhere.
I play on chess.com and enjoy that but would not venture down the playing for money rabbit hole for many reasons already mentioned.

You can try bella coin it rewards you bella which is a cryptocurrency for playing. But it is not worth much that is what is the problem. The payout is very bad, I am not sure how many people play online.

Most games like this won't pay you out much, as it is easy to use a bot for chess. Searching "chess bot" on google give many suggestions, and there even is a chrome extension that will help you decide on the smartest next move. For these reasons, I doubt that there will ever be a chess game for bitcoins.

As a chess player i think this would be nice where you can bet your btc that would really depend on your own skill. Calibration i think is necessary to avoid mismatches. and i dont think there is a bot like cheats in playing chess. if possible it can search for real players not bots.

Actually I never heard about Chess game/sites use Bitcoin..Im very happy if that is available because im really like chess game..Just think looking for Who is developer make one PVP chess game Used Bitcoin ;)

The most significant problem for this game is that you may play against bot that is created by some people. Playing against bot is just like you play against computer which is likely you will never win.
Would you risk your btc against bot? I guess no..

I am not great at chess but this could be a great idea for someone to develop one
that does all types of games. I know I would play Backgammon for bitcoin and if it
kept track of your score (win/loss) that would be good also like yahoo does so you only
play people of your same ranking etc.

But would you risk your coins if you had to play against a human which is a way smarter than you, making it highly unlikely that you will ever win? And how do you know the strength of your opponent if you have to choose blindly? On the other hand, if you yourself are gifted (well, maybe no so gifted as Magnus Carlsen) up to a point where you make matchwood of the majority of chess bots in existence today, wouldn't you want to play against them, even if exclusively for money?

A few have tried but they all eventually close. At least from the ones I saw around here. I think the problem is always the same. They can't guarantee a player won't simulate the game at home with a bot, and that would be unfair and it does not inspire trust for the users to risk money on it.
I really don't think a online chess game for money will succeed because of that.

I don't find any bitcoin chess site, but bitocin poker sites are many. Chess is not pupular like 10-20 years ago, people like gambling or card games, not chess

Its very difficult to find a chess game with real player and that too paying bitcoin. Even real players poker rooms are hard to find mostly is video poker on every gambling site some goes with chess even if you find a chess game paying bitcoin its likely it will be a bot.

Not even the best players would be able to win against the top chess algorithms. Stockfish (the newest one) has an estimated elo of 3447. Do you know what the world champion's elo is? 2857. Plus, the computers will analyze everything faster and more perfectly than any player (apart from memorization patterns)

This is just not realistic.

I also tried to find such site which are giving pvp services for chess with bitcoins but no progress.

Following your thread :D

I have a solution. Each game gets moderated and the moderated are rewarded too. So you can play to mine or moderate to mine. Like an curator sort of. That way people can't cheat so easily. But the thing is how would one disproved an accusation of cheating or not cheating ? That is the problem I have no solution to. :(

I have heard few students have made ethereum smart contract based chess games don't know whether its p2p or p2bot one. But i think that can be coded to have p2p and bitcoin or ethereum in bet.

I have seen this thread discussing about few p2p games available this may help https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990127.0

I think it will be good if someone create a chess game with pvp using bitcoin. should design a tournament for hearthstone too

The reason there isn't one is that people can create bots that are almost undefeatable, and you never know who is the player on the other side, if its a bot or an actual player.

So its only good on the free sites which already have chess for pvp without money.

Unfortunately, there is no such technology yet where it only searches for real players and not bots. You could put a lot of captchas, but someone could just watch the bot's progress and fill out captcha's as needed. A chess game is simply not viable.

I have heard this story too, but cannot seem to place it either.

All I get from Google is
Derren Brown (a magician) beats 9 chess players simultaneously. (using a similar trick) and

this from https://en.chessbase.com/post/derren-brown-s-che-trick-once-more-with-feeling
I don't know how authentic this one is.

I think chess is a horrible gambling game, I will not be ready to bet any real amount, because required skill and experience to win  ;D

In the past, I have also looked for chess sites that offer real-money wagering but have had little to no luck finding them. I don't think there will be any chess games that use bitcoin or any other money currency in the near future because of all the possible cheating and bots. If there was somehow a way to ensure that play would be fair between two players with no computer assistance, that would be awesome. I am only a recreational chess player with a decent rating (1800 ELO) but it is one of my favorite hobbies.

That is one of the good idea to verify that your enemy is bot or not.. every start to play chess it needs to verify first im not a robot.. before they can start play chess.. many people here before are requesting about that game but until now never seen any site here that you can play chess with bitcoin.. i heard somone developing chess before in development section but never heard the exact if they made it or not. because there still no any site that has chess game. maybe they dont want chess game because there is no profit if you made an arena for chess.

i think is nothing site chess game
and winner can reward bitcoin
only chess game online is ready but not supported reward bitcoin
or batle user from user reward bitcoin not supported
only chess game online

Also it will be difficult for you to win against programmed Robots

I think it's really cool if there is a gambling game to chess, although I do not like gambling, I would like to see a fight serious about chess. Well, if you were playing chess and risking something then you would play seriously, and I would like to see a strategy which you have created for it. it will definitely be exciting

I'm still pro-human, as it were. Algorithms, even the newest ones, still need hardware to run on. If I remember correctly, every time a reigning world champion had been playing against a machine (for example Kasparov versus Deep Blue), the machine had been either a general-purpose top-of-the-notch supercomputer or a custom built device with massively parallel processing technology crafted specifically for playing chess and nothing else. And even in these cases the outcome was far from predetermined. I understand that today's regular computers are a lot faster and have a lot more memory than they were and had some twenty years ago. But I still think that they are not quite there yet to crush humiliatingly a grandmaster level chess player.

Besides, what is an estimated elo of a chess algorithm? Any chess match is time restricted, and would the algo show the same elo on some decrepit hardware given the time limitations for making a move? In my view, an estimated elo of such an algorithm is more hype than reality.

I'm not suggesting humans are inferior to machines or anything, well they are the ones designing the chess algorithm in the first place. You are totally underestimating these chess algorithms.

Can we even beat a calculator?

It is not gambling at all. There is no luck element in it. All information is given to you and you have access to you at any time.
What I would like to see is chess variant with changed rules, maybe board will be covered at first and then revealed after X moves or something like that.

 yeah I agree, bots will make chess a very hard gambling game to win. also not all people or gamblers that is are that much experienced in playing chess. so I think it's really not suitable to place bets on

It would rather be a betting site. Betting on your own game is not gambling. Gambling is random and in the houses favour. This is not and in your favour providing you a good chess player.

Check out this video: Hikaru Nakamura vs Stockfish minus b-pawn (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD1T4D5Ifw0)

Here, a grandmaster was playing against Stockfish (back in 2014, so it must have been an earlier version) where he had a pawn advantage. And then proceeded to lose.

An estimated elo of 3447 doesn't mean that in reality it would be ~3000. No. For Stockfish 7, it's elo is 3339 +-16. Surely, they predetermined older algorithms' elo and then started basing newer ones off that, and it kept going until what we have now. The only way grandmasters are able to compete with the best chess algorithms is if the algorithms have a handicap. This is the reality of it. Do a little bit of research and you'll understand how powerful they truly are. No, we're not anywhere close to "solving" chess, but the analysis of these programs is pretty top-notch.

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About Deep Blue, that was 20 years ago. Technology has advanced greatly since then. Now, I can load any old chess app on my phone, play the computer, and it'll probably be twice as good as Deep Blue.

they not yet develop it once its done we can should try to play and make some bets to make it more thrill you want that? i have a little knoledge about chess im playing at facebook with friends and it would be fun if they going to add it on gambling sites

I don't know a chess using bitcoin but you can try to play with Bella, it's a altcoin with a chess game, here's the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437825.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437825.0)
Have PVP and you can play with a bot, like a faucet...

where link iam interest play cheese game online
advantage get reward bitcoin

It is very unlikely that such a platform exists, chees is not a casino game, computers play at a superior level than humans now, so it will be very easy for someone to cheat using software, in fact that is a very big problem even in free platforms like chess.com.

Well there is a full possibilities that they can use this application in there advantage but I think in doing this and if players would not win a game a single time many players would not play anymore and I think that if a chess gambling would be on full play there would be a demo play, computer vs or human to human play!

and yes chess is not a gambling game, but there are a mine craft game that needs bitcoin to play and would give bitcoin if you click the box without a bomb on it, and I think in this method if you win you can certainly win bitcoin as price! 

Anyway, you can always employ the old trick of passing on the moves between two chess programs. And if we have the same program playing against itself, it still boils down to how fast the underlying hardware is, right? Apparently, the faster instance of such a program will most certainly smash the slower one. Applying this logic further to programs with lower estimated elo running on faster equipment and winning against programs with higher elo running on slower equipment (as slow as required to guarantee a loss for the latter), we have no other option left but to conclude that an estimated elo of a chess program should necessarily be a function of how fast hardware is in respect to playing chess. In other words, the algorithmic strengths of a chess program can be totally negated by using scrap facilities.

Out of curiosity, could a chess program running on a slower computer even theoretically win a match against a faster instance of itself, provided all other conditions being equal? I think it is still possible to end the match in a tie, for example, due to insufficient material on the side of the faster instance of the program, but what about a victory? Or, is the outcome completely predetermined?

Yeah I don't know why we are still discussing this. Chess is more of a hobby game or for fun game and not a good game for gambling since its very easy to program a bot to cheat.

I would expect that the programs were run on systems with the same stats and configuration. I don't personally know the process but I'm sure they list it there or you may find out somewhere.

I think that inquiry is based purely on the difference in processing power. Since the technology has been advanced exponentially, many older computing processors would not be able to compete with newer ones provided there is a time limit - some may not be able to handle the algorithm, even! Maybe they'll rust before a game is finished ;)

Yes i agree that this game can not be used as the gamblig application game because there will be cheater occurred but may be for the user bitcoin who live nearby , they can make a chess competition with a prize bitcoin

I played online chess a lot before, but I didn't have a clue about existence of this little cheats. How to win easily in chess, well thanks a lot for this nice advices. Now I understand why its hard to make some gambling out of this game. Its very easy to make a scam without any special program, just some good pro chess and that's it.
Maybe with timer there is a chance to solve this problem, who can watch game and in program if there is just couple seconds for that? Maybe we can make some tournament here, with fast timer, so there will be no possibilities for this kind of scams?

So... is there any place to play chess online for bitcoins?
I would pay flash games like 1 minute for players them they won't have time to cheat.
If you know a site please let me know.
Thanks!

I think there was a game that accepted BTC but I'm not sure if it's still around,it's a good idea really but there have to be more players in order for it to have the success it needs,maybe that's why I can't think of such a game right now

I think they are not planning to add that game because they know that they will defeat about that game. chess is everything brain or knowledge..

I am an active chess player on chess.com (not very good though) but so far the only thing that i have seen that comes to chess and crypto was the chesscoin project.
It is still in development, although they encounters some issues. But it would be great if they or another start up can realize this. Having tournaments withs BTC prizes per level sounds awesome.

How would a chess game that betted real money assure that the perso they are going against isn't using a computer to cheat. As much as I love this idea, it is really hard to distinguish people using bots and people who are good.

People will always find a way to cheat even if we played a 30 seconds game, I’m pretty sure that with enough time I could create a bot that will take the moves in the screen and then input those moves on the chess program and then do the opposite. So in my opinion there is no way around the problem with the cheaters.

Technically, you wouldn't even need to read moves off the screen, you could just analyze the incoming http traffic. On the flipping side, the problem with cheating could still be handled by analyzing the moves of the opponents. As I understand it, the same algorithm would make the same moves given the same position, so it can be guesstimated if one or both players are using bots. Unless the bots apply some fuzzy logic or self-training neural network when searching for the best move, of course.

It`s not going to happen because of cheat-issues. You should make this tournament in a real life

Naah,I don't think it's because of cheating,you can also cheat on a tournament,it has to do more with how the BTC will be divided between the players
If there are more people willing to play such a game,it will exist
But hey,it first has to be made,right?

It is not possible to cheat in a real life tournament as there are judges watching. Many people in real life don't know about BTC so there isn't any chess tournament with BTC prizes. Playing online can be abused by using bots which will defeat the purpose of the tournament as everyone will simply use bots to play with one another.

As much as I would want that to be the case, I'm afraid, it is only a matter of time when somebody tries to use (or has already tried) a transmitting device (like Google glass or an eye implant of sorts) to get an advantage by stealthily using a bot in a chess tournament. Not so long ago an elite female cyclist got caught cheating by using a bike with an electric motor hidden in the bottom bracket and connected to an electric battery inside the seat tube.

i never tried it, but there's a coin based on pvp chess, you should give it a try.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1549631.0
if you want to make some money playing chess, this coin is listed at yobit so you could sell your winnings.

I think there is a way to easily detect bot or any involvement of third party app in the game by observing the behaviour and the timing of it's next move. Just like on other online games. I hoped someone will develop this kind of game with a good security. Take note that the involvement of btc is just for adding excitement on the game.    >:(

There is no chess game, that use Bitcoin, because everyone can play chess free of charge with chess software. And more popular is Dice playing with Bitcoins. Chess is also very ancient game, when computers were not avalable.  ;)

Back in about 2003 I played in a Chess tournament (live in person) and the top prize was £500; a huge amount of money for me at the time.  I was determined to win this prize at any cost but I wasn't really any good at chess. However that was minor issue for me as I had a plan.

At the time phones with a vibration alert were pretty new, so I just stuffed one up inside my ass and my friend sitting in the crowd was playing out the games on a little chess computer (many other spectators were doing similar).  Then he'd get the recommended move and keep phoning me and hanging up.   Obviously I couldn't answer the phone (since it was up my ass and probably smelled a bit funny too)... but we'd both been in the boy scouts and knew Morse Code and he was sending me the messages using that  8)

Easiest £500 I ever made.

What`s the problem to find people who use BTC and make tournament among them? You can make fair games only when you can see your opponent`s "eyes". End of story
P.S. Chess isn`t about money at all.

Could we not set a 3rd party site that would run for us bitcoiners that would allow us to play on Chess.com?
Have a escrow that both parties send to and lock in 1-5 games per a set amount. The program releases once games are finished. If the games do not all finish within agreed set time,the bets for unplayed get sent back.

Seems simple enough to set up,it would just be flying under the radar of Chess.com that would be the hard part.

It could be possible, yes, but I don't think that you will be sure on whether your opponent is just a bot or not. Anyone could make this platform but the question would be its legitimacy and its transparency to its peers that it's not using smart/intelligent bots just to get money from their users. I have always wanted to play chess online with rewards or bets, but I couldn't find any that seems to be legit PvP and not a PvE where the enemy is just a bot.


I wonder if chess.com would agree to such an idea, though it could be a nice implementation once it goes up and running. The thing is, I could use a program or a bot for me to win the game without anyone else verifying it. We could use a camera, yes, but I don't think bitcoiners would love that idea.

LOL, I do not know what to make of this story, in one way it’s hilarious and on the other… well is probably not a good idea to go there, but on a serious note, cheating at chess in a live tournament is nothing new, it has happened before and it will keep happening.

I am pretty sure he didn't do that but he copied that from a movie. Or from some other tournament. Seems like a lot of trouble to do for $500. Also the other player would hear the cell phone vibrate. Cell phone vibrates were crazy loud back then.

Lol nice story.Also vibrating phones were around before 2000 . Ps2 came out on 2000 I still remember.

Although you could have just got a viberator with a remote form a sex store. ^^

Yeah you can do that too, but since I do not know how to do that I did not mention it, and about catching the cheaters the solution that you propose could work, but like always there are workarounds, for example there’s chess software that will analyze a position and give you a list of several movements that you could make in order of how strong the move is, the only thing to do next is that your bot selects randomly one of the top 5 moves.

Is there a list or table top style games like chess checkers and such that uses bitcoins that anyone could share?

I don't think that list exist or that list would be very small since not many parties know about bitcoin or see the benefit of bitcoin and would not accept it. For that gambling niche it is to early. But for gambling games there are plenty of alternatives.

Oh okay thank your do you know any of the alternatives or keywords i should search?

Announcement there will be a new gambling site that offers board games! Just wait for it. I will post it on this thread soon once it finalyze. I'm already talking to the owner and he is planning to run a signature campaign for his site. I hope you support board games type of gambling guys!  :o

Any kind of internet competition even if you can see your opponent in a webcam can be easily rigged, he could have second monitor in front of him or someone who will tip him the movies.
There is no way that you can play chess over internet for money while being sure that people are being honest.

P.S. So winners of live Chess tournaments are not rewarded with any kind of prize?

yeah I don't think such exists because even for cash games, table top style is not that popular to place bets on so I don't think we'll have a chess or any table games for gambling or betting

It is actually great idea. It is something that bitcoin gambling is lacking at this moment. We have excessive amount of Dice sites, standard casino games and usual stuff.
But we lack board games and different ways to spent our coins. I only wish that it will be serious site. And of course we can't have Chess or checkers or similar games.

We only need board games where dice determine your luck.

While betting is not part of the game of chess, at least as we play it in its current form, betting on the outcome of the match should be no different than betting in any other sport.

It had long been thought that chess was an intellectual game revealing the power of human thought and intellect until it became abundantly clear that the game can be efficiently brute-forced, and our typical computers can easily smash even distinguished grandmasters. Personally, I never found anything intellectual about chess (whenever I lost it was primarily due to losing a piece out of lack of attention), but maybe I just couldn't play chess very well.

After humanity finally and decidedly lost chess to computers, the palm of supremacy was yielded to go, the ancient Chinese game, which is considered vastly more complex than chess (or intellectual, if you please). And what do you think? Humanity lost again! The computer program utilizing neural network algorithms, machine-learning techniques, and some other dark magic recently defeated one of the three top players in the world today. There is virtually no more classical board games left to lose, we've been bettered in all of them.

i love to play chess game :)

That's a good point Omegasun, people easily can run a side software to project moves and the all games gone...

I saw this thing too tee-rex, don't remember the name, you have to put the pieces and surround the opponent pieces, right? This game have a lot of possibilities... If I good remember, the human won 1 game but the bot won 2(or more). "AI" is amazing, can you imagine the future??  :o

The name of the game is go (pronounced in the same way as the verb), in Japan it is also known as igo. Yes, its aim is to surround more territory than your opponent.

Regarding chess and AI, Deep Blue, a specialized chess-playing computer developed by IBM which defeated a reigning chess champion (Garry Kasparov then), got its playing strength from hundreds of special purpose chess chips. It had been brute forcing around 200 million positions per second, and this record seems to be still unbroken. Modern chess-playing software, though capable of evaluating only a few dozen million positions per second, is more "clever" in a sense, due to heavy usage of heuristics.

Actually, guys, I've found that lichess.org hosts the "BitChess" games in which you play blitz/bullet games (short games) and compete for prizes paid in Bitcoin. This is actually feasible because I would think that most people who were planning to cheat would only be able to do so without such a short time limit, plus the fact that cheating would be more obvious in bullet chess - if they do a lot of wild moves (that are sourced from an algorithm) quickly and consistently, since you have a lot of blitz and bullet games to play.

Seriously, check it out if you're a fan of chess.

lichess.org (https://en.lichess.org/)
BitChess.org (http://bitchess.co/)

Time limits could be an issue for humans only. An experienced web developer would code a simple script that would analyze the incoming traffic and feed the moves to a chess bot in less than no time. In fact, I watched a few games, and it seems that only bots are actually playing there. The speed with which moves are made is simply not possible for a human being. You just can't move the mouse so fast, let alone think over the next move. Nevertheless, it is fascinating to watch the bots play against each other.

I wan't aware of sites like these. But as tee-rex said blitz chess can be exploited in the same way as standard full-time chess game.

With online chess there will always be element of doubt if you are facing real opponents it is nature of that game.

If you really can earn money by playing chess there I wonder if games are not being exploited alredy.

"plus the fact that cheating would be more obvious in bullet chess - if they do a lot of wild moves (that are sourced from an algorithm) quickly and consistently, since you have a lot of blitz and bullet games to play."

I'm sure that they would have analysis to find if someone's cheating or not. After all, they're running the tournaments and are aware of the fact that there's online cheating. With a free buy-in, you would want to prevent that.

As for the speed issue, there are premoves in chess, and as an actual chess player, I know that I can play bullet chess quite quickly. One move per second is not outside of the realm of possibilities, along with the fact that you can queue up following moves. Plus, when the time drains down to the end, you'll see a lot of garbage moves - to try and flag the other player.

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I looked at some game histories - and a lot of the time, the moves seemed human. I really do not think that cheaters would be on there, or if they are, that they would be caught.

(By the way, there's a requirement to play 20 blitz games before joining the blitz tournament, and I doubt lots of people have Crazyhouse algorithms. If you don't know what that variation is, then google it.)

For me, I have not seen any gambling site promoting chess but if OP is interested to build one I would be more happy to try it out but developing something like this will have to rely so much on PVP because I dont see myself playing against computer and a level of my ability of a medium player only for the computer to be configured to operate at a Pro level only for me to lose at an unfair level.

I am also looking for this but I want PVP or Man to Man play with chess or your opponent is also a Human and not AI. They will bet for the game both side. And the house start them to play the house will be the referree.

Didn't you read? The games are PvP. They would have to be PvP, or else it's quite literally impossible to win unless you yourself use an algorithm to face them. I don't know what you're talking about.

I've already stated that the games seem fair. And in the case that someone DOES cheat, the host can simply deny payment and move to the second winner... then the third... and the fourth. There's no point in cheating and risking your reputation - unless you decide to use a different IP every time and create a huge number of accounts (all to meet the requirements), which is a waste of time. You would earn more by working.

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Please don't spam. I understand you're scraping for those cents and they're incredibly valuable to you, but try and find a way to stop. I'm pretty sure even you know that a post history filled with one-liners on general threads about vague crap is not something that contributes to this community.

i think your idea to earn bitcoin with ches gambling is not good . because you need to give a lot of time for such types of game even you have sharp mind to play chess .

since gambling always results in to loss . but if you are successful in playing chess and you have lot of time then your descion is right to gamble . you can visit www.chess.com which os bitcoin gambling site for chess plays .

This is  somehow  true  but still it would be a good  past time and  also  if you are really good  you could able to make  money with it  no matter how  long time  would be spent  as long  you take profits  then it would be  no problem at all unless if  you are  a busy man then  its not ideal to waste time  on this things.

Cgbets.com have developed chess into one of their game. You can try it on their website. They also allow people to use bitcoin each game as a price for a winner. You can earn some profit when you win a game

I think an inherent issues is always going to be the existence of chess engines.

Sure, some sites claim they have ways to detect these engines, and ban players. But then it comes down to how do you ever know for sure that the site is actually banning cheaters or just banning people who win too frequently, and ensuring someone on the inside wins?

You might find a place to play for BTC, as others have listed... but you can never know if it is going to be fair at all.

Indeed that is very serious issue to play against bot and I don't think there is any authentic method implemented to detect these engines, but I don't think that is good idea to play chess for btc because it take so long time to get complete a game there, I think better idea to play just for fun there because so many site offering this to play online with other players.

Already talked about this. If you're consistently playing the engine's best move, you're cheating. What could be more simple than that? Of course, if someone were to appeal to that accusation, then there would be talking - usually, cheaters won't bother. They can simply check for anyone playing "too perfectly" or using a script (which the site could probably catch with the speed of making moves)

Also, lichess.org is separate from BitChess.co

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Uneducated (ignorant) ladies and gentlemen, let me present to you... time limits! Pick your poison... will you choose the 30 second time limit for each player, or 3 minutes for each player? Tick tock.

The tournaments you usually see are classical - with ridiculously long time controls. I know I go to live tournaments with 90 minutes + 30 seconds/move. That makes games last 2-5 hours usually.

Although the tournaments in lichess are somewhat long (I think the hosted ones were 2 hours) you play multiple games in that timeframe with the short time controls and have different strategic maneuvers - shortening your time by 50% but gaining an extra point if you win...

Think about it this way, though. There are freerolls in poker. What's the top prize for those? They can last way longer than 2 hours. And with those, you rely on luck (even a little bit). With chess, you can no doubt win every tournament if your skill is high enough, provided your internet doesn't stop. Top prize for this example tournament (https://en.lichess.org/tournament/BroEld9v) is $15. Not bad if you enjoy chess, want to increase your rating, and get a little cash incentive whilst doing so.

I don't quite understand what you mean by them making "a lot of wild moves". If you are using a bot to play there, you would evidently try your best to hide this regrettable fact by adding random time delays between moves, changing the playing difficulty level of the bot arbitrarily on the fly, and whatever else you might come up with to conceal any evidence that you are cheating.


You can't be 100% sure that these sites aren't cheating themselves and using bots against players. There is simply no bullet-proof way of refuting such a possibility.

Adding random time delays would be suicide in these games with low time controls. If you have 30 seconds to play the entire game (and the game lasts no longer than 1 minute) you would need to do every move down pat. Now, changing the difficulty doesn't really alter anything unless you decide to move it down to a level that can be easily beaten by most of the opponents in the tournament (I've seen mid-2000 elo rated players there).

You actually, however, might not survive with a script. Not to say that a computer wouldn't beat every player there, but think of it this way: the algorithm would only receive the information and then calculate... then make the move on the board. Humans in these games usually use premoves, which means they play a move in anticipation of their opponent's move. (If the move is possible on their turn, they'll do it whether it's good or bad.)

Along with this, most of the top players there would no doubt have memorized patterns. The mind would be able to find that relatively quickly, nearly instantly even, while the algorithm would only spit out the moves - and not why. A good player would be able to see 6, 7 move combinations.

This is all ignoring the fact that the algorithm playing at a high speed would suffer in its expected rating. Even if you have Stockfish 7, if you run it at a half second calculation (which is still too much) then you're absolutely beat.

I'll do some testing myself, though. I'll see how good these chess engines are in short time controls.


BitChess.co provides the funds for the tournament, lichess.org hosts the tournament. I don't think that a site for free chess games would try to cheat.

If it all comes down to playing the entire game within 30 seconds, which seems to be an insane exaggeration on your part for an online game, then the artificial delays are not required altogether, since the network delays would be both enough and same for human players as well as bots. Changing the difficulty during a match is required to disrupt the pattern which could betray the bot. Obviously, it should be within the limits sufficient to win the match. But I don't think it is actually required, arbitrarily setting the time limits for a move should suffice.


I've been reading recently about chess programs, and it seems that their capacity of using game databases by far exceeds that of humans ("premoves" in your speak). They don't need to "calculate" every move.

This isn't an exaggeration. I did find a video of Wesley So vs Stockfish (with Stockfish down a knight!) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu-pSaN62lc) At this point I would agree with you on the bot levels. The only thing I would hope for is that they have basic detection strategies. If there's a consistent winner, then there might be reason for an investigation. Cheating is a problem in Chess, even live! (One grandmaster was caught hiding a phone inside a toilet paper roll during a tournament)

I guess at the end of this, I would just hope that any cheaters are stopped - and that the hosts check via engines to really see how the players played based on rating. Cheaters will be caught eventually. That being said... the tournaments for the next few weeks consist of mainly Crazyhouse - a variant of Chess. There is an engine, of course, for it, but its estimated rating is ~2700. It's not difficult to say that a top-tier Crazyhouse chess player would be able to beat or draw against the engine (marginally, perhaps).

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And now, anecdotal information! (This is not to improve my point, these are just observations)

https://en.lichess.org/@/JannLee - this is the top scoring player in BitChess (3 3rd place wins, 13 2nd place wins, 6 1st place wins) who plays only Crazyhouse on lichess.org, but is streaming the tournaments. You can be sure that that would be something a cheater doesn't do.

https://en.lichess.org/@/chickencrossroad - the second top scoring player in BitChess. They have high ratings in many of the variants, and engines have not been developed for some of them - so I strongly suspect that they aren't a cheater.

You should do some research yourself on this. Perhaps question BitChess on how they prevent cheaters - I would. (And have!)

It's great that someone finally made a pvp chess game in which we can bet.
but did they stated any website ?

And I am sure people who are interested in chess will be attracted by it

There is a site that you can play chess on called cgbets.com. I wouldn't know anything about the site though since I haven't tried it yet. As of right now though, there have been no scam accusations against the site from a brief research. As always though, do your own research on the site before you play.

Yeah right, That site was the one i actually want to announce on my previous post, But the devs of the site didn't contact me regarding the development of the site. There is still no player on that site and useless to play online chess, i think he must do a good promotion for his site to attract more customer.

I love chess. Every night im playing chess with my friends.
You should try chess.com. They accepting bitcoin though i have not tried it yet. Thats the only site i know so far. Maybe you can play with Anand and Carlsen there. Lol

That's not a gambling site I don't think. It seems like its only for fun but they have tournaments and stuff. Honestly its too easy to cheat on Chess playing it online.

Played with facebook invite someone who really play chess and try to bet both side and make a condition that you are going to play with a bet to earn profits and if you guy's don't want that then create website that this kind of gambling is good idea.

Too many ways that people can cheat at playing chess, I really don't think it's a good idea to bring gambling into chess.

iam very like and loving Chess Game
where i can play Chess Game can get reward bitcoin , altcoin or dollar fiat money
iam interest follow competition Chess Game

Actually chess game on btc is less attractive though because you really need takes times to play just to earn some few coin. But in this thread many people ask for pvp games so like you put how much that you want to play and then compete each other. But in the end this doesnt get any good result though

If there's an chess game that really accept bitcoin as payments for those everyone who makes bet's then why don't create one ? it will be more unique that you are going to do chess gambling and this will be new as well if you are really pro when it comes of chess games.

There are a few chess playing sites which accept bitcoins and allow PvP matches. They have already been mentioned before, just read the thread from the beginning and you will not ask questions that have already been asked and most likely answered here. It is not very long and makes an interesting read by itself.

Though I still doubt anyone will be able to earn anything there.

Just create one and don't waste time finding this kind of game that accept bitcoins as bet :P i think this game is already on facebook or any website you should create one and then advertise it here then.  ;D

I should look into this but how does the PVP control whether the people are actually humans or if they are using some kind of computer chess bot. Like everyone said before, its very easy to cheat in Chess or at least have a huge advantage.

I don't know really. I watched a few games there played in allegedly real time (though them might well be sped-up replays with pauses removed), and all I can say is that it is impossible for a human being to play with such speed. I'm not even talking about thinking over the next move, it would be just as impossible to capture your opponent's move first, then move and click the mouse so insanely fast. Unless you are a bot yourself, of course, but in that case you need neither mouse nor screen.

This has already been discussed before.

I like sports betting I played all games, But I never tried Chess game. According to you, it is not possible to make win right. I have doubt that we will play aginst 2nd player or the 2nd player is the bot? Because before playing this game, i want some information, without having proper knowledge if I play means it's  loss for me. If anybody shares full information means it will be helpful.

Not gambling related but anyone who's into chess might like to see what a friend of mine does at Great Chesspectations:
https://www.facebook.com/102204166516347/info
http://greatchesspectations.com/

I often gamble but do not know if there is much less chess pvp sites. I think there is not a gambling game of chess. maybe if there might be a guessing game of chess. there are many gambling gan. staying in select :D

Do you have the name of a few because i checked google and didn't find much.

But I guess on chess.com you will find Grand Masters level players perfectly capable of beating most of Chess bots.
Not everyone has access to advanced Chess programs and those available publicly probably can't beat top human players.

You are wrong twice and clearly have no idea what you are talking about. A publically accessible chess engine called Stockfish is capable of beating many grandmasters, even when at a disadvantage of one pawn.

Everyone has access to this, and it's open-source.

http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/

On this page, the top 50 engines are above the world champion's peak rating. But please! Go on about how grandmasters are perfectly capable of beating most chess bots.

Oh cool thanks.

You checked with Google but didn't try to check with this very thread, though I specifically mentioned it? The sites have been revealed in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1617414.msg16423348#msg16423348) (with all due credit), don't be lazy to jump there. I'm not quite sure about the first site, I mean whether it accepts bitcoins (didn't investigate into this issue), but the second one seems to be accepting as well as paying prizes in bitcoins.

I'd like to clarify this post, then. lichess.org is the site that the tournaments are hosted on, and the funds are provided by BitChess (where you may also find all the relevant information). So these sites are not separate, really. I think it's ending this week though: I only saw tournaments listings go up until this week, so if you're able to play quickly, it's the time to do so!

They were running back in April of this year IIRC.

Wow, never knew that something like this existed. Its crazy to believe that so much time and money is spent into Chess bot optimizations and everything.

Furthermore, I doubt that any bitcoin gamblers are chess grandmasters.

However, I don't think that using such a complicated bot would be worth it on a small bitcoin chess site. Making a chess site for money is simply not feasible at all, fiat or bitcoin.

Unlikely. However, the best players in those tournaments were always rated 2200+ on whatever game mode they were playing on, whether it be regular chess or crazyhouse. If great chess players really wanted money, then they would probably participate in larger chess tournaments for cash prizes (live chess over the board) or maybe the annual Millionaire Chess, in which this year the top section's first place prize was $30,000.


Wrong... you could always simply run a script that detects the moves that Stockfish outputs and play those, or manually put in the moves. First place for the next two tournaments is $15, and over 2 hours that means it's probably a better rate than some people grind for with their penny signature campaigns. As well, if you simply have more accounts, you seize all of the prize pool ($50). I'm not condoning this, just saying that it would be a possibility.


Well, it isn't a site where you gamble. These were free tournaments, for all to enter (with a pre-requisite of 20 games, but that's pretty much free). Think of it as a poker freeroll... where it's just a waste of time for anybody good enough to make REAL money from the game.

I think you summerized that there ^^^

I also never heard about bitcoin related chess game because pvp take a lot of time, I think majority of the people are interested in that kind of game which is purely based on skill and that is the reason it not have bigger community like luck based games.

It's a set of mind when you are playing with chess and if someone will create games like this and he will put bitcoin on it to bet's people and watch the two player playing chess , Then let's have some money by watching Yes you are right there many people will interested of this kind of game those who really love chess.

I think that is really a brilliant idea by watching other people play and betting on who's gonna win can add up more interest in these kind of game and when players are playing these if they can surely win a game of chess they can get bitcoin too, I think there should be multiple channels to choose from so there would be a variety of players you can choose from and channels where you can play chess too!

Never seen such site but i think it will be very good idea to have one. However i am not that much fan about chess, also have heard some guys have made ethereum smart contract based chess game recently. Can't find link to that news but i have read it some days ago.

You may expect them to spend as much or even much more than that. That is not a new thing, to make money from any business, you need to spend money, more the money in your invesment means more the returns, hence I am not surprised to see a bot engulping that huge amount.

You're really ignorant, aren't you?

11 of the top 50 are commercial engines. The top engine, however, is free AND open-source. Time has been spent to making engines more efficient, but if you think that the creation of Chess engines is based solely on a business perspective, then you need to re-evaluate your life.

You don't even know what you're talking about, at all.

"hence I am not surprised to see a bot engulping that huge amount"? What huge amount?  You clearly haven't bothered to go to the site, nevermind read anything relevant to price on it.

"You may expect them to spend as much or even much more than that." More than what? adaseb hasn't mentioned anything relating to the price and neither have I. Stop spamming.