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My beloved mother got a letter today for my house. to much electricity

Memorandum on this much usage. Unreal. Not even using that much (about 8000 watts)

just wanted to let everyone know to tread lightly. NWO is chugging right along.

Huh? What country are you in? Judging from your username you're in China. I can't believe that's even legal for them to shut you down. Are you without electricity now?

What country is this in? So we know where the New world order is starting there reign from.
The reckoning is coming and it is 16 years so late. :D

He is in Oregon USA iirc.

He posted a lot of posts on this in the beginning of the summer.  He felt he was being spied on.

I not really sure what to say since I am not sure about laws on your meter use.

8000 kwatt in a month is a big bill for a home owner.

Maybe he has 100 amp service in his home.  Using 8000 kwatts in month is 11 kwatt 24 hours for 30 days.

And 100 amp service doing 11 kwatt is very high to the power company as they would think he is doing 120 volts and pulling 83 amps

Electricity willg o up.....


i got  a bill, extra big, because i consumed about 7800kwh daily.

I payed around 50usd per month, , last bill was on 700usd, because they felt that we were consuming to much electricity.


We also got a state consummers "letter" saying that prices will be higher because they will change the cables inside all the city houses/buildings as they are old and from 1960 or earlier.

but the project is for 2 years from now and there is no justification.



here you can see monopoly at it best.

I was paying 0.4 per kwh , now my bill is about 1.2usd per kwh. like wtf, i tried to complain but everyone nows the talk, big companies....

Maybe he lives in an area where there is a shortage of power or whatever distribution he is connected in.

Just to clarify I am in WA.

The have a candid letter they send to anyone about this stuff apparently. A memorandum to prevent locals from doing much with the power source. Politics at its finest.

Last I heard even the people with commercial facilities are under the microscope. commercial/non commercial doesn't matter they are spying and putting the halt on everyone with that letter.

Hate to see what would happen if did not comply.

I got the a$$ end of this so sorry if my details are vague.

BTW electric is not shutoff. just warning letter like the letter the ISP's send you now.

I am running 200amp service didn't think I was even close to getting flagged yet to that level. just spying

Have you tried to get any information about what is the limit in kwatt per house, maybe splitting your amp to 70-70-60 (in 3 different places) would worth?

 Interesting FUD, happens my power company is aware I was mining and didn't AND STILL DOES NOT CARE as long as I keep the bill paid up.

 I am also in Washington State.

 I suspect there is something else going on here the OP isn't talking about.

I suspect in Oregon/Washington it's going to be far more interested in this than most states, especially on the residential side of things.  They've been working towards enforcing that kwh/sqft pricing to help curb mining, as it doesn't really accomplish what they had intended from the economic development point of view (draw in manufacturing, jobs, etc).

Here in AZ, my largest bill was just under $4k for one month, more than 60k+ kWh - but I have 400a service and they've never said anything to me.  The only thing they really cared about was that everything was fine with the city (in terms of permits, etc), and I had taken care of that.

Nothing else going on. As stated. Got a letter because there is a memorandum for the hydro damn. I'm going to see what can be done but doubt anything can be done better just to liquidate equipment and move on

What is the name of the utility you are talking about? 

 The ONLY country PUD that has anything involving "kwh/sq ft" as a limit is Chelan in Washington - and per my reading of the recently enacted rate change it only applies to large accounts in the industrial power level and *MAYBE* to very large commercial-range accounts.

 I strongly suspect that Chelan, Grant, and Douglass are the only places in the US that would be inclined to worry about it, since they're the lowest rates in the USA by quite a bit due to subsidising local rates by selloff of large quantities of excess electric production.
 Chelan would be the most worried since they have long had the highest "local" usage due mostly to the population of Wenatchee (which by itself is a fair bit higher than the total COUNTRY populations of Grant or Douglass) yet IIRC they have the lowest total power production of the 3 counties by a narrow margin (all 3 are close to 2000 Megawatts total generation out of their respective dams).



 BTW - the only "moratorium" related to the hydro dams or PUDS in the area was one Chelan PUD had on *HALF MEGAWATT OR LARGER* new projects while they were researching to develop their new "high density" rate. There is NO BLOODY WAY that would impact a residential user.



 I'm also quite sure it wasn't the amount of usage being "risky" - I used very close to that 8000 KWH in a TRAILOR (pair of the old style 50 amp plug-ins for service) the last 6 months or so I was in Iowa.
 My current usage last month was a bit over 9000 KWH on a 100 AMP service.


 I'm to the point of calling the OP a LIAR about the reason(s) for this alleged "warning", and starting to wonder if there ever WAS an actual "warning" as they are claiming, especially given the other paranoid BS they have posted in the past.

Sadly that's normal for Power company's in some states they have to much control . my power company was suppose to give us more then 3 power saving days they lost all most 5 million or more with those three day's  in July that was the lowest power bill i had in two years even with my miners running that I have left. I read some place, there were other power company's in my area that did have Power saving days in Aug during those really hot days . BG AND E  didn't .

it's about what they lose they don't really give a rats ass what you use etc like they say it's about money more then any thing. all the power company's no matter how cheap etc it is want us paying them 500 or more a month as base . and want to make us pay for all/any research they do , it's sad but true .This kind of shit goes on a lot in my state then gets covered up to some extent .


Even if they tell you later on those warning were a mistake i wouldn't trust it, mistake or not something maybe about to happen there and it leaked to soon .

we have all kinds of ways of producing power that is a lot safer to do then most company's do now they won't use it because well money they stand to lose to much. i got a letter once offering me 100 % clean energy at 4 cent more then what i pay now because it was clean energy, how i see that is if it is really clean energy then how come it cost so much more if it is cheaper and safer to produce so the letter said and is it really 100 % clean energy,the answer is NO, how I know it's not, when I looked into going solar,( had to put that on hold for now ) the company I talked to told me any power, i sell back is sold and mixed in the main power grind and resold for more . solar as far as i know is one form of clean energy. I even looked at some portable solar kits which is one idea i may do yet just for mining during the day and shut them off at nite because i don't do it for a living and have no real plans to, in about a year and a half i hit 62, then the rules and laws change some that allow me more freedom in what i can make etc . i may increase my farm again and go a a little hard core in my home for now I'm not .I'm mostly GPU mining and building a Nice GPU farm as i go, I'm in no big rush at this point there is no reason to rush it.

in your case don't trust any BS they feed you .

cya

I can assure all of you that the letter was very real.

The farm will be getting ran into the ground. Will post results when

A) Electricity gets shut off

B) Get raided for 2nd time.

shout out to all the haters and nay-sayers. You are what makes this community great.

Ignore the letter. Pay the bill. Send all your coins to cold storage every day, so if you do get raided your coins are safe. If mining in a pool, there should be an auto-withdraw address. It's been 2 years since I was mining any proof-of-work coins, not counting experimenting with new ones that appear.

I have researched this further but have not finalized my research yet. Apparently all high density load customers now need to fill out an application to be approved for the new high density load rates. Stay tuned. These policies goes into effect Jan 1st 2017. These policies are very political and crooked imo.

https://youtu.be/mhwZivuaip8

Dedicated Asic Services company is a company located in this county. They are the pros in the video above. Still have not finished the video. Although I have a suspicion I'm going to hear a lot of bs.

should out to the haters sippin that haterade

seems to be a good video so far about 20mns in I'm one of the toughest critics and I'm impressed.

btw the video has a lot and is primarily about bitcoin and power companies so its worth a watch to all on forum

The 'applying for higher load' bit does not surprise me. In a way it matches with what you said about them updating the power lines in your area and this is their way to get info on what wire, transformer, and fusing sizes to put in.

My local power company likes to send out usage emails every week and typically I am a constant 3x higher usage than the 'Average' user in my area (and 4x higher than the lowest reported).

Like Savior, I have 200A service, miner load is 3.5kW so yes, using a lot but well under the service maximum. Aside from the friendly usage notes, never heard a word from the power co about usage.

All I can say is that if for some reason you *do* get raided make sure all your ducks are in a row so ya can laugh at them...
eg, if legally growing, follow all rules: (# of plants), location (near a school?), Notice signage (State rules regarding growing), etc. If a legal user, have your MM card and/or be sure to be under max weight of weed in the house.

the good news is I have never heard of a raid in wa unless it was some type of parole or assault situation with a person hiding in said property. I hate to sound stereotypical but I'm pretty sure they have the crazo's nailded down in their jail and system vs just jailing people over a sniff and political push of some sort.

Ill be fine. Thanks everybody for your continued concern. The video was good btw and everyone seemed concerned. If anything does happen to me its ok because I'm looking to do a solar setup like philipma1957 soon. to be 100% off the grid Even when you pay practically nothing for electricity. When you run the numbers it sure does look appealing. And the fact you are 100% off the grid makes it even more appealing.

I was actually thinking of the solar setup a lot during the video. Give it a few more years and solar will be the best way to go. Assuming our gov gets its act together somewhat. I think I was paying for a panel in like 6 months with a machine. so I take a slight loss on the first batch and sell off the units. but pay for the panels. 2nd batch is 100% roi. from then on just keep adding panels and repeat.

that said its always going to be difficult to roi in any industry like this. which is why I like to keep it as a hobby. it would be a shame if I went down in the history books for a measly 10 machines

The PUD sent you a letter and said you are using a lot of electricity.  Is the PUD threading to disconnect your service?  What is it exactly they are saying they are going to do?

I know they sent a letter, said there is a moratorium, etc, but what did they say they are/will do about it?

By the way, there is only a moratorium on new loads between 1 and 5 MW.  This does not apply to you as your service is not new and under 1 MW.  

A letter saying you use a lot of power by itself is nothing.  I get those every month, it is called the power bill :)

By the way, I wouldn't say the OP is lying.  Chelan pretty much hates bitcoin miners.  They think it is only used for drugs, they call it "internet funny money", etc.  The PUD is really clueless there.

the continued reality is it costs less and less headache to get into solar if you really enjoy this hobby.

so, what's going on?

wdym?

I think i missed this : why did they raided you the first time what was the out come ?. yea i know what it's like to have your home invaded by the law or be watched for pot growing . we were, our garden had some plants that looked question able . for about two weeks we had shit fly over our house some times just set there in the air over the garden up high. till we asked a cop friend wtf was up, he looked into then it, stopped they were watching us for pot growing because of a summer garden with plants that looked like pot leaves. no joke .!!! . no lie. sense then it hasn't happen.!!!we have two acres of land so the garden was kind of big for a house in suburbans.

mine does the exat sme thing in fact we got notice at the door in person the other day between now and the end of the year they will be replacing a pole just out side our door and wires, we had a issue with  2 years ago one of the wire burnt out to our house we had a very high bill that month as well we never fought it, because we didn't know, bitcoin mining has taught me a lot .

That's why when we upgraded service at the shop I ran the lines from the transformer myself, with wires about 15% overrated for the rated service load. The transformers should blow up before anything I have to pay to replace. The utility provider has not been upset at all that I'm pulling 100KW continuous.

Where are you located

btc mining has taught me a lot as well. Like how crooked politicians are.

Or how we have all been lied to about our power grid and it cant even support a measly 80% capacity like its supposed to.

Which rolls us into our next phase of the Data-center conspiracy.....

If all the YUUUUGGGGEEE Datacenters are all over the place where are they drawing their power from?

In theory there should be GIANT Carrier lines going to these facilities. Like lines as big around as a school bus. Instead what do we see? a Measly transformer outside without many carrier lines going in.

I will not say who it was but someone very very close to me was high up in the industy. Seems like they are all sworn to secrecy. When I started bombarding him with the electricity questions I began interrogating about the underground fusion centers.

Their reaction told all. (pun intended)

are you being serious about this. the more thought I put into things the more I come to the conclusion it would be silly for them to raid over electricity once they confirm no massive grow op.

I have always LOL'ed at the grow op anyway. Simply because you would have to stack an entire house with a muli-story (meaning two levels of grow per 8ft ceiling) to have the same power density as a btc farm LOL.

btw its next to impossible to have two 4ft grows stacks on top of each other and highly impractical.

That being said nobody looking at the raw data at power station probably runs the numbers to that level, or maybe they do. Regardless if you did you could clearly see its impossible for it to be a grow LOL.

Looks like I'm going to have to pay a $5/kw flat rate plus a $30/month charge every month. Not bad. Starts jan 1st. May be a little off on pricing because of bad memory but think that's right.

My shop's on a rural electric coop in southern Missouri. No problems at all.

 There is NO BLOODY WAY you "got raided" for having high power consumption.

 I don't care how much you CLAIM about "there is nothing else going on", you got raided for SOME OTHER REASON.



 Chelan PUD doesn't hate bitcoin miners, the PUD just hates the effects on their infrastructure and the reduction in revenues 'cause they have less "spare" capasity left over to sell for much higher rates that drops their revenue due to the large number of large Bitcoin-related farms that have moved into the area or started up in the area over the last 6 years or so.
 This is not to say that individual members of the PUD and individuals in the area aren't clueless about bitcoin....


 Next time they whine about it only being used for drugs, try pointing out that large retailers like Amazon and Newegg (and I believe I remember seeing *WALMART* is now accepting Bitcoin as a payment option on their website) accept Bitcoin payments.
 Not exactly "drug specific" there.

 Can also point out that the IRS considers Bitcoin legitimate and has made a ruling on it for tax purposes.

 

I don't understand how they can shut down your power if your legally and lawfully utilizing it and you are paying your bill on time.  You may be able to file a lawsuit against them especially if you have a medical condition which requires you to run equipment in your house.  They could have very well killed you by shutting down your life support machines. 

If you pay your electric bill, they have NO REASON to raid you. Some grow ops steal their electricity. You're paying, right? They would like your money.

Besides, mining doesn't store any real data. Just send your mined coins to cold storage or another wallet, you know how that works.

dell takes bitcoin now too  :)

while watching the video the point came up of earning more off selling off the capacity instead of investing in tech.

I don't see how this could be so. I must be missing something.

For example if you are selling off power at X you are only profiting from X

By comparison if you are selling off power at Y (y is cheaper power) to tech company, tech company is also seeing high ROI and jobs, also they bring in their families etc.

The positive economic effect seems far greater if you sell off to tech. Even if risky

The fact remains like the one gentlemen said in the video you never sell it all off to any one thing. Basically he was trying to say you diversify the capacity.

I work at an industrial facility.  Currently we are using 7846KW or 7,846,000W.  They call us and ask us if there is a problem when we shut the plant down for an extended period of time or if one of our two plants is running like now.  Our normal usage is like 14800KW with both plants running.  They will sell us all we can take at 2 cents a kw which is the commercial rate here.  Bill is only like $400,000 a month.

it all comes down to one thing Money for some reason they think they are losing something , because some one is doing better then they are and they can't get in on the action, even if you follow all the rules,  they will all ways look for ways to get more. I never knew how dishonest at lot in the GOV are till I started messing with bitcoins.


well GL  hope you get it sorted and fixed .


cya

I'm just trying to avoid jail over some hobby nonsense loud fan thingy or even worse the new community detention. The video and continued support makes me feel a bit better. lets c what happens

Well Hate to Break it to you guys. I misread the message that was sent to me by my family.

Apparently this was a voice message left by a Sherriff. Saying that they have Memorandum on residential and if it was not shut down immediately it would be shut down for me. I would find it difficult to believe my family member is lying to me etc.

How can this be? Everyone in the entire thread says I should be cool with no problems. How could this be.   ??? :-[ :-\

call em up yourself, ask very nicely what they think the problem is.  maybe there is confusion.  be honest, dont be confrontational.  for example
-Call sheriff
-hi, i<m mister x from x address, you guys left a message for me, ill be honest, im a little confused, could you guys explain to me what it is that im doing wrong, or did you get a complaint from the power company or what..im just confused here i dont know whats goign on.

my name is not on the power bill so its difficult for me to contact them.

I think the same thing.

This has gotten to a troll level or he has some serious mental issues.

I'm thinking a shady past in this town (or family has the past) or IRS fears  ::)

Prior to starting SEGMining, I was operating at my max potential in my garage in Washington.

I got a call from the PUD, I explained to them what I'm doing and they were fine with it.  They even tried to help me save money.  Something is definitely fishy here.

Just pay the bill & you will be ok. You did pay your family right  ::)

your name is not on the power bill ? Then ask that person who's name on the power bill to make that phone call.
You telling your story here to forum members , ppl want to help you , and when someone suggesting the right things to do , this is all you can say : " my name is not on the power bill so its difficult for me to contact them "

Your name is not on the power bill ? then why you worry to much ? get ur name on that power bill , then you going to have full right to find out whats going on with your unbelievable story... if something going on at all ...

What You Can Do :
-Fist and most important : Put ur name on the power bill :)
-File a complaint with the Public Utility Commission consumer assistance line in you state .
-Contact ur State Board of Public Utilities and see what your rights are. If they indicate that your rights are being violated, you may be able to file a complaint.
-Get a Attorney who is familiar with plaintiff's cases , and sue everyone :)

Strange that electricity company shut down people who use too much power. I don`t get it, maybe you have some bills that you didn`t pay and
they shut you down cause of that?
It doesn`t matter who`s name is on the bill, you can go with that person directly there and ask them where is the problem. And that letter you talk about, did you saw that letter at all or that was voice message did you hear it? Very confused topic, I need to ask you do you have electricity now?

"Apparently this was a voice message left by a Sherriff. Saying that they have Memorandum on residential and if it was not shut down immediately it would be shut down for me. I would find it difficult to believe my family member is lying to me etc."

You need to talk with everyone in your house as I see, maybe electricity company has nothing with this.

Is your underground fusion power generator very high maintenance?  ::)

I don't even knew that spend too much electricity can be a problem. The only way to solve this problem is to generate electricity on your own.

If you don't mind me asking what do you pay for electricity?   Just making sure not a locked in rate (flat rate) very rare but some apartment's and such do have them.

I can say personally I live on a farm (like field type).  And have not had a issue as they chalk it up to farming most likely in my case.  Only thing I have noticed is when I got my mining are wired and went up to 12k-15k watt's in mining during points they sent someone out to check meter just to check it was working properly.  They were happy to charge me though after checking it worked fine and not error.

Only thing I ever got was a survey for high usage user's.  Asked to fill out for like 5 dollars off next bill I did not anwser it and there was no bad effect it was optional.  Only problem I ever had was a electrician when I wanted my mining area.  As soon as he saw my miner's the estimate went up about 1k over what I expected... so turned him down. 

7800 kw a day or 78 kw? or 7.8 kw per day.

200 amp service using 46kw (46,000 watts) per hr x 24 hours is 1.1 Mw a day (1.1 million watts) or 1100 kw per day or 33000 kw or 33 Mw per month. That could run 35 Bitmain s 9. At .10 per kwh is $3300 month.

I am shocked. Where are your rights? Where is your American freedom?

I live in Czech Republic, in the heart of Europe and I can't imagine that anybody except court decision will force me to stop mining. The reason is easy and clear:

1) I pay for electricity transport and current reservation up to my circuit breaker amperage. This is based on my tariff and location.
2) I pay for electricity itself (can be different trading company, electricity itself is 0.037USD/kWh).

Mining is not prohibited here. Electricity distribution is covered by laws and regulated, it is not connected to trading companies. We have special national company owned by state which is responsible for electricity network stability. Distribution companies are part of this system, so they don't care about small consumers with less than 100kW, bigger consumers needs only the ability to remotely on/off high loads by distribution company.

There is no legal basis to stop me using my electricity and amperage reserved for me. It is my electricity and I can do whatever I want to.
BTW: Since germany has huge renewable energy plants, price of electricity is very low here. My country has about 0.074 USD per kWh including all costs while germany has this price only for a tax for renewable energy.

Whats unbelievable?

He's running about 5600KWH per month.  His power company wants to move him to the commercial rate schedule to compensate for the extra draw.

Anything else here is FUD.

Hello folks,

I can assure all of you that them shutting down my power is very real. I will post the emails later. Or will I what good will that do. Trolls will simply tell me I made it up. OR should I post the audiotape from chatting with the supervisor today? Or did I troll that to? And if I post those things and it hurts his feelings (which it would mine if I were him) will he get me in trouble or bother me? Think about it trolls.

In response to the positive folks I would like to say that it does seem like they simply want me to move to the commercial rate. But they only allow this in Jan when they do their application. There is a $450 fee for them to survey. Along with a $190/kw 1 time energizing charge and another small fee. The rate jumps from 2.7 to 3.4

As stated just for all the doubters that if did not shut off HDL use would be shut off today. So basically just wait until jan to submit the application and make the switch.

They also told me there are a lot of people on this transformer drawing a lot of electricity. They said its being very over drawn right now. So they are having to keep an eye out more then usual. They seem peaceful.


It's actually 3d printed on site and has over a 100 year maintenance-free life span

My final thoughts on it:
He is in an old/older neighborhood and most likely the distribution grid for it is woefully undersized for Today's loads. Yeah each residence may have been setup with 100-200A service but in no way was it expected for so many folks wanting to actually use something even near what they rightfully should expect to be able to use. The substation (where the transformer(s) is) and local distribution lines/transformers are just not big enough.

All part of the 'deteriorating and aging Power Grid' so often talked about. Bottom for OP is that in true Democrat/Greenie fashion they intend to pay for any upgrades to what should be entirely THE UTILITIES PROBLEM and responsibility to correct by forcing existing 'heavy' users to either 'change their ways' or have go to commercial rates and more to the point - per-kw 'setup' fees in January. God forbid you have an all-electric home with electric oven, range, and heat and live in a cold area...

As to coin mining of any sort/size being a commercial operation, well, yes it is. The IRS says it is and of course expect their cut when you cash in coins for Fiat. The OP's problem is that his Utility is using that Inconvenient Truth as a club to beat all small home miners (or say folks using a small pottery or glass kiln) in their service area into submission.

Much like high-speed internet and the cable companies. "Too many people are abusing it by streaming movies!" "So lets set arbitrary BW caps totally unrelated to what you think you paid for and also throttle BW from known video providers". btw: said video providers have already paid for their access to the 'net and all bandwidth involved. Tough crap that Comcast/Charter/RR whomever sold product  (high-speed internet) they knew from day-1 their service could never provide at advertised speeds  to more than a small fraction of connected customers at once.

Adds a whole new possible meaning to the monthly 'Friendly Energy Usage Comparison' email I get each month from DTE. I use 3-4 x the average of '100 homes around me" and 6x the usage of the 'most efficient home'. :P

At least the grid in my area was fully rebuilt several years ago after a very nasty storm took out major parts of the network all the way to the 300kv main transmission lines feeding us. As in 3 large substations around the metro area fed from them literally exploding...  Now substations rebuilt and fully modernized, nice thick shiny new lines from them to us, new poles. local xmfrs,, everything. After power was out from that event for 2 weeks, I got a permanent NG-fueled automatic backup generator for when it happens again. Of course now power is pretty damn stable with the genset kicking in for maybe a total of 3 days since ;)

If he lives where I think he is, there is limited power to the area.  Though there is power, the station is large enough to handle it, the issue is that they are not purchasing that much power so they are not prepared for the usage.  If he transferred his account to a commercial account then he would be fine.  The local station just needs to know what they are dealing with before they realize they do not have the proper equipment they need to make that supply to the people.

They might think you are growing weed

Can't you just get a counsultation from a certified lawyer?

I guess noone here went to law school. Wrong crowd to ask such questions.

Now that's a valid point.

It' very hard to go against state or country, they have their own system (or not) which is in this case very stupid. They probably can't extend the existing grid (no money or whatever).
You can split your mine and allocate it to two or more locations which are not a very good option. It's gonna be pricey, but to stop mining is even worse.

Maybe you should apply for a business/industrial line if you're currently in a residential contract with them.

Weird, i use more than that and have never heard a peep from the electric company... they could care less as long as my bill is paid.