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Title: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: spartak_t on October 07, 2016, 01:27:49 PM
Jeffrey Wilcke: "I've begun work on a Gas Price HF in case that's the route we want to take"

Source: https://twitter.com/jeffehh/status/784318008592183298

I don't think that attacks on Ethereum network will stop and that is why it is going to be hard forked for the 2nd time.



Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: crypto jerk on October 07, 2016, 01:40:16 PM
The hard fork was rushed due to time constraints and I think the Ether devs did not expect ETC to survive this long. If they did they would have taken more care to sever the chains properly.

ETC will not hard fork, so Ether has to hope that miners on ETC move back to Ether. Right now Ethereum Chain State (http://fork.ethstats.net/) shows ETC hashing power down to 500 from 600 gH/s yesterday. Give it a few weeks, I think ETC hashrate will either be down to less than 100 gh or up to 1000 gh/s. If that happens Ether may be forced to hard fork again.

flag 1. How much money have they wasted on themselves and marketing before even making a solid project with all the details in place?

flag 2. Golmansachs people were on board

flag 3. Much hyped and poorly written dao contract

flag 4. Obvious manipulation after Dao hack

flag 5. Can't even get the fork right.

Actions speak louder then words. These guys are A-holes



Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: talkbitcoin on October 07, 2016, 02:09:48 PM
this is what you get when you make a poorly coded altcoin and hype it up. i read somewhere that Ethereum is starting to look like swiss cheese! now i am starting to understand what it really meant!

i wonder what the new old fork is going to be called this time. maybe Ethereum Legacy


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: spartak_t on October 07, 2016, 02:38:46 PM
The EF keep saying that Ethereum is an experimental project, but I think that its market cap is not justified. And they basically went to bed with the banks. That is why I never even considered to buy ETH, no matter if the concept of cryptocurrencies fails in near future.

I will repeat that Buterin and others behind EF has my full respect, but that doesn't mean I should like what they've created.

"I would prefer even to FAIL with honor than win by cheating." - Sophocles


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: thepo1m on October 07, 2016, 03:03:22 PM
I think so, I read an article yesterday about them doing Hark fork again whcih I think will dent the image of Ethereum the more, the greediness of their developers has created more problem than anticipated, maybe at the end of the day we will have more than 5 ethereum like platform


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: tiggytomb on October 07, 2016, 03:05:59 PM
This is starting to become a joke, they might get away with it again but anything further then it will really hurt them or maybe not, people seem to be okay with the previous one, myself I am dead against this path it just mocks the whole idea.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: spartak_t on October 07, 2016, 03:31:11 PM
This is starting to become a joke, they might get away with it again but anything further then it will really hurt them or maybe not, people seem to be okay with the previous one, myself I am dead against this path it just mocks the whole idea.

...or they may find investor such as this guy: http://yixes.com/two-burglars-sodomized-for-five-days-straight-after-breaking-into-the-house-of-notorious-gay-rpist/


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: rigel on October 07, 2016, 04:26:38 PM
Will ETC fork too?

I'd love seeing 4 different Ethereum in Coinmarketcap.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Minecache on October 07, 2016, 04:54:51 PM
This thread is pure 100% troll shitpost scaremongering. If anything the attack vectors being exploited are simply being highlighted and patched. This in turn makes Ethereum MORE secure and stable.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: spartak_t on October 07, 2016, 05:36:02 PM
How many times has Bitcoin been hardforked? I wouldn't worry about it to be honest.

Bitcoin was never hard forked...


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Minecache on October 07, 2016, 11:35:47 PM
How many times has Bitcoin been hardforked? I wouldn't worry about it to be honest.

Bitcoin was never hard forked...
Lies. Pure and simple 100% troll shitpost lies. Bitcoin HAS been forked. And you know it. If you don't then you are even more Spoetniktard than your new photo.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: machinek20 on October 07, 2016, 11:44:08 PM
Another hard forked? Ethereum had been knocked down to the last hard forked, if this happens again i am sure the user will leave ethereum, how can the developer not fixing their mistakes after the last hard fork,it is such a shame, etehreum is a quite good alt coin to invest, but if they keep getting in trouble, all of the user will leave ethereum and try different alt coin


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Minecache on October 07, 2016, 11:50:03 PM
Another hard forked? Ethereum had been knocked down to the last hard forked, if this happens again i am sure the user will leave ethereum, how can the developer not fixing their mistakes after the last hard fork,it is such a shame, etehreum is a quite good alt coin to invest, but if they keep getting in trouble, all of the user will leave ethereum and try different alt coin
It's lies. It is not being hardforked. Besides even if it was hard forked it would be to resolve attack vector issues that the unforked chain would still be exposed to. Don't believe the lies this spartak_nt posts.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: simon66 on October 07, 2016, 11:54:19 PM
I expect many more ETH forks..


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Leonard2016 on October 08, 2016, 05:01:03 AM
I expect many more ETH forks..
Fork is used as a buzzword right now, a fork doesn't have to be a bad thing if done correctly.

yeah but with ethereum it is never done correctly.
hard forks in any coding project not only cryptocurrencies are considered bad, and in here it should be studied and worked on for a long time before you go ahead and hard fork the thing.
but ethereum. being centralized, hard forks it like a piece of cake.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Spoetnik on October 08, 2016, 05:58:50 AM
How many times has Bitcoin been hardforked? I wouldn't worry about it to be honest.

Bitcoin was never hard forked...
Lies. Pure and simple 100% troll shitpost lies. Bitcoin HAS been forked. And you know it. If you don't then you are even more Spoetniktard than your new photo.

Actually i knew it happened.

It was not a big deal though so most people do not know it happened.. understandable.

And am i being insulted by a guy here voted as a dishonest obnoxious Fraud ?
Who Shill's for a scam coin called Ethereum ?
Who calls ETC "The Criminal Coin" and then admits to dumping ETC for profit ?
..then admits to "bag holding" Ethereum (the ICO scam coin) for profits.

I don't see how you have too much wiggle room to rattle your little fraudulent dick holster around here.
You are regarded as a fraudulent clown we all point & laugh at.

And your attempt to attack Spartak over his avatar picture is sleazy / childish.
Like when you attack me 100's of times.. both of us receive this behavior because you are unable to accept criticism of your shitcoin.
In other words .. it's a YOU problem.

The Ethereum Criticism is rightfully allowed, accepted by the community and well-deserved !

Minecache i have commented a bunch of times how you are a hiding decetful Trolling Shill.
Spartak and I have both gone to the trouble to share things about ourselves and be a part of the community.
You on the other hand showed up during the manipulative paid hype / pump spam campaign of Ethereum.
And have gone on to spam this place with countless formulaic ETH advertising topics here.
While shielding us all from the truth of who you are and why you showed up WHEN you did.
I am certain you have gone to great lengths to hide your personal info here for a reason.
#1: when ETH tanks you can wander off and be forgotten.
#2: You don't want us to know WHO you really are.


Anyway..
I do not "respect" Butters and his coin is a fraud.
The signs piled up back in 2014 and later were solidified beyond a doubt.
I don't see any debate about it.

What i do see is long-conners pushing for more cash.. refusing to give up on their ICO "scheme"

ETHEREUM gets caught with hand in cookie jar..
Ethereum then YELLS AND SCREAMS LOUDLY .. NOOOOO YOU STOLE THE COOKIE !!11111

mmmhhhhmmm  ::) I am familiar with dealing with children  :D

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/4372/268758053658196/1600/469408/toon020.jpg


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: CoinBreader on October 08, 2016, 06:58:08 AM
And ETH will forked again, its fine by me! shall we get free ETC ?? please? j/k
Guys i dont get why you freaked out about ETH forks, how many times BTC has been forked ?? thanks!


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Minecache on October 08, 2016, 08:10:41 AM
OMG all these shitpost theatrics. ETH has always been forked as the devs take the tech to new exciting levels. The next scheduled one is Metropolis I believe so any patching can be done then if needed. MODS please lock down this thread now. It was created simply to troll and has been debunked. Thank you.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: sillug on October 08, 2016, 08:27:04 AM
Interesting. Question is now if there will be something like Ethereum Pure, also known as Ethereum Classic 2 or not.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Spoetnik on October 08, 2016, 09:03:54 AM
Good.. or bad it is interesting news worth talking about.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: vlom on October 08, 2016, 09:20:27 AM
Jeffrey Wilcke: "I've begun work on a Gas Price HF in case that's the route we want to take"

Source: https://twitter.com/jeffehh/status/784318008592183298

I don't think that attacks on Ethereum network will stop and that is why it is going to be hard forked for the 2nd time.



i don't get it. why indicates this tweet an other eth hf?

Quote
I've begun work on a Gas Price HF in case that's the route we want to take #ethereum


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Turbo2 on October 08, 2016, 10:03:02 AM
For the uneducated;

This fork will actually be GOOD. It is to prevent future attacks against the network/project and nothing else....

Consider it a security update  :)


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Minecache on October 08, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
For the uneducated;

This fork will actually be GOOD. It is to prevent future attacks against the network/project and nothing else....

Consider it a security update  :)
Yes but that doesn't stop the snowflake dramaqueens desperately trying to spread their hatefilled FUD.

As I said MODS please lock down this thread. It's pure BS shitpost from an well know troll with vindictive barber.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: spartak_t on October 08, 2016, 12:36:41 PM
How many times has Bitcoin been hardforked? I wouldn't worry about it to be honest.

Bitcoin was never hard forked...
I could have sworn there was at minimum one due to a bug, I will have to look into it to be sure but I think it has.

Yes two: here is a theymos quote on it "

I think that the only two hardforks were:
- The change in the version message which took effect on February 20, 2012 after two years of advance notice.
- BIP 50

The other changes are all softforks.


You've missed one reply:

I think that the only two hardforks were:
- The change in the version message which took effect on February 20, 2012 after two years of advance notice.
This is a hardfork of the P2P protocol, but not the blockchain.  If you setup a protocol adapter (e.g. a node hacked to change its version handshake to bring the old behavior back) a prior release should still sync the chain... though it's been a while since I've done this.

Quote
- BIP 50
Sort of a mixed bag there, you can actually take a pre BIP-50 node and fully sync the blockchain, I last did this with 0.3.24 a few months ago. It just will not reliably handle reorgs involving large blocks unless you change the BDB config too. So it's debatable if this is a hard fork either, since it's quasi-non-deterministic. There were prior bugs fixed where older versions would get stuck and stop syncing the chain before that too...

So I think by a really strong definition of creating a blockchain which violates the rules mandated by prior versions we have never had a hardfork.

I'm not a coder, but I've been told by a Bitcoin core developer that BTC has never been hard forked. And I trust the guy.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: glerant on October 08, 2016, 12:39:16 PM

I wonder how long it will be until the fizz runs out and they go POP!


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Minecache on October 08, 2016, 01:59:35 PM
How many times has Bitcoin been hardforked? I wouldn't worry about it to be honest.

Bitcoin was never hard forked...
I could have sworn there was at minimum one due to a bug, I will have to look into it to be sure but I think it has.

Yes two: here is a theymos quote on it "

I think that the only two hardforks were:
- The change in the version message which took effect on February 20, 2012 after two years of advance notice.
- BIP 50

The other changes are all softforks.


You've missed one reply:

I think that the only two hardforks were:
- The change in the version message which took effect on February 20, 2012 after two years of advance notice.
This is a hardfork of the P2P protocol, but not the blockchain.  If you setup a protocol adapter (e.g. a node hacked to change its version handshake to bring the old behavior back) a prior release should still sync the chain... though it's been a while since I've done this.

Quote
- BIP 50
Sort of a mixed bag there, you can actually take a pre BIP-50 node and fully sync the blockchain, I last did this with 0.3.24 a few months ago. It just will not reliably handle reorgs involving large blocks unless you change the BDB config too. So it's debatable if this is a hard fork either, since it's quasi-non-deterministic. There were prior bugs fixed where older versions would get stuck and stop syncing the chain before that too...

So I think by a really strong definition of creating a blockchain which violates the rules mandated by prior versions we have never had a hardfork.

I'm not a coder, but I've been told by a Bitcoin core developer that BTC has never been hard forked. And I trust the guy.

Lolz. Of course you're not a coder. Hence the hysterical over dramatic shitposts about every slightest down in ETH. Note to all readers: spartak_nt will never post anything positive. He is a defeatist. Just look at the haircut his barber happily gave him.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: spartak_t on October 08, 2016, 02:03:43 PM
.. and that comes from a red-painted arrant ETH shill who promotes ponzi schemes. :)


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Mzie on October 08, 2016, 02:39:32 PM
It's a different type of fork. Everyone supports this
actually not everyone supports this


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: schnib on October 08, 2016, 04:21:12 PM
where can i read something about the fork ? when will it be ?


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: spartak_t on October 08, 2016, 04:31:34 PM
where can i read something about the fork ? when will it be ?

It's still uncertain if there will be a hard fork, but it will most likely happen.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Hueristic on October 08, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
This is starting to become a joke, they might get away with it again but anything further then it will really hurt them or maybe not, people seem to be okay with the previous one, myself I am dead against this path it just mocks the whole idea.

...or they may find investor such as this guy: http://yixes.com/two-burglars-sodomized-for-five-days-straight-after-breaking-into-the-house-of-notorious-gay-rpist/

ROTFLMFAO! Karma's a Bitch!

I expect many more ETH forks..
Fork is used as a buzzword right now, a fork doesn't have to be a bad thing if done correctly.

Forking for coin distribution is the no no, the blockchain is sacrosanct.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: btcxyzzz on October 08, 2016, 06:27:15 PM
And they basically went to bed with the banks.

Would be good if you can elaborate on that. It's more like Bitcoin went to bed with banks than Ethereum IMO.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: mining1 on October 08, 2016, 11:53:29 PM
Protocol upgrade / optimisation is always welcome. These kind of updates are always good, and most likely etc community will hf aswell, even tho they are not at risk (i suspect chandler gao & friends to be responsible for the attacks, both because ethereum is a competitor to BTC and also because he probably dumped ETH for ETC as a speculation and manipulation action ).
Also, there are 2 kind of hardforks: 1. HF to upgrade and optimise protocol, like the one from frontier to homestead, and
2. Controversial HF, like the one with the dao exploit, where 95%+ of community decided HF is the way.
Nothing uncommon or out of place about protocol upgrade hardforks, only those that hate ethereum won't "support" a possible hardfork, not that their opinion would matter, they don't own any eth to start with.
P.S : dollface, you didn't really had to make another photo, you could just modify the existing one in paint and cover that gone wrong haircut


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: mining1 on October 08, 2016, 11:58:08 PM
And they basically went to bed with the banks.

Would be good if you can elaborate on that. It's more like Bitcoin went to bed with banks than Ethereum IMO.
Do you have any expectations from spartak ? Any good news that come out of ethereum space will be twisted and turned around by Dollface and present them as negative news. If santander decides to release cash backed tokens on the public ethereum chain then it would be really a WIN for blockchain community in general, not just only for ethereum. But he's so jealous he'd say santander controls ethereum, if it comes to that.
Plus, it's not like they can be stopped from releasing cash backed tokens on ethereum public chain if they decide to do so, but he didn't think that far yet, let him catch up.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: bbc.reporter on October 09, 2016, 01:27:12 AM
This new hard fork proposal is ok because it is attempting to fix bugs in the platform. The first hard fork was not because the reason for it was to tweak the transaction history.

I cannot blame if some clueless people brand a new Ethereum hard fork with the old one. Or maybe this is another failed attempt to spread FUD. The bigger concern here is the emergence of exit schemes or scams. But I will make a new thread for my Ethereum exit scam theory tomorrow and discuss it there.


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: spartak_t on October 09, 2016, 07:13:15 AM
And they basically went to bed with the banks.

Would be good if you can elaborate on that. It's more like Bitcoin went to bed with banks than Ethereum IMO.

Ethereum is still experimental technology, yet news are popping every now and then on how the banks are testing it. EF also did a bailout with the HF, which is something that a bank will do, not a decentralized cryptocurrency. :)


Title: Re: Looks like Ethereum will be hard forked... again.
Post by: Gyrsur on October 15, 2016, 09:15:27 AM
HAHA...