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Title: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: theymos on October 26, 2016, 10:24:39 PM
The forum sells ad space in the area beneath the first post of every topic page. This income is used primarily to cover hosting costs and to pay moderators for their work (there are many moderators, so each moderator gets only a small amount -- moderators should be seen as volunteers, not employees). Any leftover amount is typically either saved for future expenses or otherwise reinvested into the forum or the ecosystem.

Ads are allowed to contain any non-annoying HTML/CSS style. No images, JavaScript, or animation. Ads must appear 3 or fewer lines tall in my browser (Firefox, 900px wide). Ad text may not contain lies, misrepresentation, or inappropriate language. Ads may not link directly to any NSFW page. Ads may be rejected for other reasons, and I may remove ads even after they are accepted.

There are 10 total ad slots which are randomly rotated. So one ad slot has a one in ten chance of appearing. Nine of the slots are for sale here. Ads appear only on topic pages with more than one post, and only for people using the default theme.

Duration

- Your ads are guaranteed to be up for at least 7 days.
- I usually try to keep ads up for no more than 8 or 9 days.
- Sometimes ads might be up for longer, but hopefully no longer than 12 days. Even if past rounds (https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adstats) sometimes lasted for long periods of time, you should not rely on this for your ads.

Stats

Exact historical impression counts per slot:
https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adstats

Info about the current ad slots:
https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adinfo

Ad blocking

Hero/Legendary members, Donators, VIPs, and moderators have the ability to disable ads. I don't expect many people to use this option. These people don't increase the impression stats for your ads.

I try to bypass Adblock Plus filters as much as possible, though this is not guaranteed. It is difficult or impossible for ABP filters to block the ad space itself without blocking posts. However, filters can match against the URLs in your links, your CSS classes and style attributes, and the HTML structure of your ads.

To prevent matches against URLs: I have some JavaScript which fixes links blocked by ABP. You must tell me if you want this for your ads. When someone with ABP and JavaScript enabled views your ads, your links are changed to a special randomized bitcointalk.org URL which redirects to your site when visited. People without ABP are unaffected, even if they don't have JavaScript enabled. The downsides are:
- ABP users will see the redirection link when they hover over the link, even if they disable ABP for the forum.
- Getting referral stats might become even more difficult.
- Some users might get a warning when redirecting from https to http.

To prevent matching on CSS classes/styles: Don't use inline CSS. I can give your ad a CSS class that is randomized on each pageload, but you must request this.

To prevent matching against your HTML structure: Use only one <a> and no other tags if possible. If your ads get blocked because of matching done on something inside of your ad, you are responsible for noticing this and giving me new ad HTML.

Designing ads

Make sure that your ads look good when you download and edit this test page:
https://bitcointalk.org/ad_test.html
Also read the comments in that file.

Images are not allowed no matter how they are created (CSS, SVG, or data URI). Occasionally I will make an exception for small logos and such, but you must get pre-approval from me first.

The maximum size of any one ad is 51200 bytes.

I will send you more detailed styling rules if you win slots in this auction (or upon request).

Auction rules

You must be at least a Jr Member to bid. If you are not a Jr Member and you really want to bid, you should PM me first (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=35). Tell me in the PM what you're going to advertise. You might be required to pay some amount in advance. Everyone else: Please quickly PM newbies who try to bid here to warn them against impersonation scammers.

Post your bids in this thread. Prices must be stated in BTC per slot. You must state the maximum number of slots you want. When the auction ends, the highest bidders will have their slots filled until all nine slots are filled.

So if someone bids for 9 slots @ 5 BTC and this is the highest bid, then he'll get all 9 slots. If the two highest bids are 9 slots @ 4 BTC and 1 slot @ 5 BTC, then the first person will get 8 slots and the second person will get 1 slot.

The notation "2 @ 5" means 2 slots for 5 BTC each. Not 2 slots for 5 BTC total.

- When you post a bid, the bids in your previous posts are considered to be automatically canceled. You can put multiple bids in one post, however.
- All bid prices must be evenly divisible by 0.05.
- The bidding starts at 0.25.
- I will end the auction at an arbitrary time. Unless I say otherwise, I typically try to end auctions within a few days of 10 days from the time of this post, but unexpected circumstances may sometimes force me to end the auction anytime between 4 and 22 days from the start.
- If two people bid at the same price, the person who bid first will have his slots filled first.
- Bids are considered invalid and will be ignored if they do not specify both a price and a max quantity, or if they could not possibly win any slots

If these rules are confusing, look at some of the past forum ad auctions to see how it's done.

I reserve the right to reject bids, even days after the bid is made.

You must pay for your slots within 24 hours of receiving the payment address. Otherwise your slots may be sold to someone else, and I might even give you a negative trust rating. I will send you the payment information via forum PM from this account ("theymos", user ID 35) after announcing the auction results in this thread. You might receive false payment information from scammers pretending to be me. They might even have somewhat similar usernames. Be careful.


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: CryptoMrM on October 27, 2016, 01:12:25 AM
1 @ 0.25


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: RussianMiner on October 27, 2016, 01:48:33 PM
9 @ 0.3


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: VytautasK on October 27, 2016, 02:11:28 PM
5 @ 0.4


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: RussianMiner on October 27, 2016, 02:32:53 PM
9 @ 0.5


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: VytautasK on October 27, 2016, 03:08:24 PM
3 @ 0.6


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: girlbtc.com on October 27, 2016, 06:08:07 PM
1 @ 0.25


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: XBTFreelancer on October 28, 2016, 01:35:12 AM
6 @ 0.6


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: RussianMiner on October 29, 2016, 04:39:20 AM
3 @ 0.65


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: VytautasK on October 30, 2016, 09:36:39 PM
1 @ 0.65


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: VytautasK on October 30, 2016, 09:36:57 PM
1 @ 0.7


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: djselery on October 31, 2016, 05:23:03 PM
3 @ .7


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: irfan_pak10 on October 31, 2016, 06:19:26 PM
3 @ .75BTC


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: XBTFreelancer on November 01, 2016, 02:08:10 AM
2 @ 0.75


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: djselery on November 01, 2016, 03:56:12 AM
3 @ 0.8


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: irfan_pak10 on November 01, 2016, 07:37:11 AM
3 @ .9BTC


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: XBTFreelancer on November 01, 2016, 09:01:33 AM
1 @ 0.8


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: RussianMiner on November 01, 2016, 09:10:12 AM
1 @ 0.8


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: VytautasK on November 01, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
1 @ 0.8


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: djselery on November 01, 2016, 02:57:07 PM
1 @ .85


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: XBTFreelancer on November 02, 2016, 07:28:21 AM
1 @ .85


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: VytautasK on November 02, 2016, 09:21:45 PM
1 @ 0.9


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: djselery on November 03, 2016, 04:25:54 AM
1 @ .95


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: irfan_pak10 on November 03, 2016, 04:20:51 PM
3@ 1BTC


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: Rastaways on November 03, 2016, 05:23:12 PM
1 @ 0.9

Spectrocoin is holding my 100 BTC for 9 months now if they are not scammers they should open my account so I can get my BTC   below is the reference

http://https://m.imgur.com/iFdRBRO

http://imgur.com/1nM4cpy

http://imgur.com/1sYDjhs

http://imgur.com/xvWz8jZ


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: RHavar on November 03, 2016, 06:59:36 PM
3@ 1BTC

Assuming that this bid is for the vdice.io ICO, I would suggest that the bid gets blocked. From what I gather, they are seeking a ~10M USD worth ICO, based on having a fully decentralized and trustless ethereum gambling game. From what I can gather reading the contract code, it is neither: trustless, decentralized or even provably fair.  I have been asking for the last couple days on reddit and here to discuss my concerns, and the serious response I've been able to get is:


Quote
And all your other points are just wrong.

and

I don't understand. You're saying you trust centralized more than decentralized   ???

We respectfully disagree. That's why we love blockchain.
That's why we made the world's 1st FULLY decentralized gambling platform.

There are technical arguments we both can make.
But I think people in Bitcoin forum understand why decentralization is important.


I do not wish to jump to conclusions and accuse them of being scammers. But if they are unwilling to engage in a reasonable discussion, while asking for so much money -- I do not think they should be allowed to advertise  ;D


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: vdice_io on November 04, 2016, 01:15:02 PM
3@ 1BTC

Assuming that this bid is for the vdice.io ICO, I would suggest that the bid gets blocked. From what I gather, they are seeking a ~10M USD worth ICO, based on having a fully decentralized and trustless ethereum gambling game. From what I can gather reading the contract code, it is neither: trustless, decentralized or even provably fair.  I have been asking for the last couple days on reddit and here to discuss my concerns, and the serious response I've been able to get is:


Quote
And all your other points are just wrong.

and

I don't understand. You're saying you trust centralized more than decentralized   ???

We respectfully disagree. That's why we love blockchain.
That's why we made the world's 1st FULLY decentralized gambling platform.

There are technical arguments we both can make.
But I think people in Bitcoin forum understand why decentralization is important.


I do not wish to jump to conclusions and accuse them of being scammers. But if they are unwilling to engage in a reasonable discussion, while asking for so much money -- I do not think they should be allowed to advertise  ;D

Nobody asked for $10 million. This is a lie!

Otherwise, we have repeatedly answered your technology questions. That is, in every single thread you post them.

Here is the full reply.

The game works and the code is well tested. Go review it yourself.
There is no need to be aggressive and start making wild, unfounded accusations.

We have some of the finest developers in Ethereum on our team.
Our coders and game are live, working and can be verified. We are obviously legitimate.

Now, I have no idea why you are posting the same questions, over and over, in EVERY forum.   Huh

Requesting to kindly keep this just one forum.
It's really annoying to have to go and paste the same answer over and over again.

Anyway, these concerns are addressed in our 3rd Party Audit by Peter Vessenes.
You can read that here: https://blog.vdice.io/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/vdice_game_code_audit_october_2016.pdf

For his credentials as an auditor you can google him or go to his security blog: http://vessenes.com

That is on our website. Along with all other documentation.

As an addendum to the audit, in relation to Oraclize and Replay issue (which I am guessing you allude to):

The very reason why the authenticated JSON-RPC APIs of random.org are used, is because of the "requestsLeft" field which is returned by each API call response ( https://api.random.org/json-rpc/1/signing ). This field content is tied to the API credentials specified in the query and is there to indicate how many requests are left in a given day.

If we check all the TLSNotary proofs published on the blockchain (which contain the whole API response!), an independent auditor can verify whether any subsequent number in the "requestsLeft" fields is missing - when that happens, the auditor has a good indicator that something wrong happened (either on the Oraclize side - which sent more requests than expected - or by any external party knowing that specific API key (vDice itself & random.org)). Of course this doesn't say much about the intent in itself (can just be some failure in the HTTP request, which had to be sent again), but in general it provides some level of security against replay attacks.   

Otherwise, perhaps you are suggesting the oracle might have requested random numbers until a matching one >shows up? In which case:

Random.org JSON responses have a consecutive ID, so if we dropped some to advange ourselves in the game, by checking all of the bets and their respective responses it would be evident: at the end of the day, there would be some JSON responses missing, i.e ID 1, 2,3.. 5,6 present but 4 missing.

Further information on TLS notary:

With TLS notary (by the author of it in IRC), the third party has to keep the data to prevent the source from manipulating their data and making it seem as though your captured data is actually not authentic. In other words, a lying "I never said that!" from the webhost people.

It actually is secure because it is like when you browse to a HTTPS secure site, you are able to see provably that they are X company (if you inspect the certificates). TLS Notary is essentially able to record those bytes in such a way that you can play them back later so you can authenticate the bytes again! Very ingenious. (But the math of how it does this in the whitepaper goes above my head. https://tlsnotary.org/TLSNotary.pdf)

the notary server used at the moment is the default tlsnotarygroup1 notary - which is an "AWS oracle", as described here. So there is nobody having access to the secret, as you can easily verify indipendently by following these instructions and giving a look at the actual code for the pagesigner-oracles.

There are some great videos explaining this further. Here is one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ukd4I8S9A

I could go on forever about this. But, as I said before, it is an issue of centralization v decentralization.

vDice is fully decentralized in that there is no server architecture. There are 3rd party providers that do run some server architecture. But they are not part of vDice directly. They just give it what it needs. So, vDice is still serverless.


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: BetChain on November 04, 2016, 04:09:22 PM
1 @ 0.3


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: Rupert Murdoch on November 04, 2016, 07:08:30 PM
Current status of the auction is confusing. There is one bidder with -ve trust and another with scam accusation. It is good if theymos makes a list of current Top 9 bids.


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: djselery on November 04, 2016, 11:05:23 PM
best. auction. ever.


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: Rupert Murdoch on November 05, 2016, 02:28:51 PM
1 @ 0.35


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: YoBit on November 05, 2016, 08:36:40 PM
6 @ 1


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: Rupert Murdoch on November 06, 2016, 12:24:29 AM
1 @ 1.05


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: dance191 on November 06, 2016, 06:45:41 AM
1 @ 0.35


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: XBTFreelancer on November 06, 2016, 07:10:35 AM
Is there a end to this auction?

For god sakes its been on since October 26 and I have no idea who's even leading the pack, does anyone have any idea???


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: RussianMiner on November 06, 2016, 04:03:50 PM
1 @ 1


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: irfan_pak10 on November 06, 2016, 05:42:22 PM
3 @1.1


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: DarkStar_ on November 06, 2016, 09:27:15 PM
Is there a end to this auction?
It ends when theymos decides for it to end. Rounds have lasted over 2 weeks before, and the current one might be similar.

For god sakes its been on since October 26 and I have no idea who's even leading the pack, does anyone have any idea???
From what I can gather, 3 different people are at the top, with the following bids:

3 @ 1.1, irfan
1 @ 1.05, Rupert Murdoch
5 @ 1, YoBit

To win a slot, you need to bid 1.05BTC.

(I could be wrong, and by no means is this official or has any real effect on this auction. I suggest verifying everything yourself.)


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: theymos on November 08, 2016, 01:51:56 AM
Sorry, due to the DDoS and other things, I lost track of time. (When I went to check, my guess was that only about 8 days had passed...)

1 @ 0.9

Sorry, you have a negative trust score for me, so I won't accept your bids.

Assuming that this bid is for the vdice.io ICO, I would suggest that the bid gets blocked. From what I gather, they are seeking a ~10M USD worth ICO, based on having a fully decentralized and trustless ethereum gambling game.

I investigated this issue somewhat, and I agree that crowdsale.vdice.io is misleading, which is not allowed in advertised sites. vdice.io may have merit, but it is not decentralized: it apparently relies on random.org and TLSNotary, which are both centralized.

The auction will end sometime in the next 30 hours. I need to determine what irfan_pak10 and Rupert Murdoch are going to advertise; depending on their response, I might reject their bids. The current state is:

Slots BTC/Slot Person
3 1.10 irfan_pak10
1 1.05 Rupert Murdoch
1 1.00 RussianMiner
6 1.00 YoBit
1 0.95 djselery
1 0.85 XBTFreelancer

Note: If you haven't bid already and it is not obvious what you're going to advertise, PM me or include in your post what you're going to advertise. Otherwise I will reject your bid.

The auction continues.


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: VytautasK on November 08, 2016, 10:31:23 AM
Sorry, due to the DDoS and other things, I lost track of time. (When I went to check, my guess was that only about 8 days had passed...)

1 @ 0.9

Sorry, you have a negative trust score for me, so I won't accept your bids.

Assuming that this bid is for the vdice.io ICO, I would suggest that the bid gets blocked. From what I gather, they are seeking a ~10M USD worth ICO, based on having a fully decentralized and trustless ethereum gambling game.

I investigated this issue somewhat, and I agree that crowdsale.vdice.io is misleading, which is not allowed in advertised sites. vdice.io may have merit, but it is not decentralized: it apparently relies on random.org and TLSNotary, which are both centralized.

The auction will end sometime in the next 30 hours. I need to determine what irfan_pak10 and Rupert Murdoch are going to advertise; depending on their response, I might reject their bids. The current state is:

Slots BTC/Slot Person
3 1.10 irfan_pak10
1 1.05 Rupert Murdoch
1 1.00 RussianMiner
6 1.00 YoBit
1 0.95 djselery
1 0.85 XBTFreelancer

Note: If you haven't bid already and it is not obvious what you're going to advertise, PM me or include in your post what you're going to advertise. Otherwise I will reject your bid.

The auction continues.

I can pay in escrow if you wish.


Title: Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 190
Post by: theymos on November 08, 2016, 08:25:59 PM
Auction ended. Final result:
Slots BTC/Slot Person
3 1.10 irfan_pak10
1 1.05 Rupert Murdoch
1 1.00 RussianMiner
4 1.00 YoBit

I can pay in escrow if you wish.

The issue mainly is that your ad might be unsafe for forum users.