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So apparently by 2040 or 2050 AI will be as smart as a human.  Not only that but a few years after would be many times smarter than a human and so on.  

Looks like humans are in trouble i dont believe there is a way to create AI to share our values or any kind of control switch.  We only survive is there is a reason to keep us alive right?

When you look at things like...

The elections
The wars in the Middle East
The gun control issues
The fight between Government and Americans (Bundys)
The crashing economy
The financial bubbles
And lots more

... do you really thing there will be a 2040 or 2050?


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Sure why not, we survived WW1 and WW2. We are surviving the spraying program and global warming, as well as the Fukushima meltdowns.

By 2040 we'll have built up such a powerful immune system I doubt and radiation from the Trump wars will hurt us. 2050 will be the second boomer generation getting born.

Well maybe large % will be wiped out by something on that list yeah.  Most of those things would probably leave a % still alive though.

There was not the communication and the transportation back in WW2 that we have today. The playing field has completely changed. For example, back in WW2 times, the sheiks of the ME were little better than primitive savages regarding technology. Now they have some of the best mobile phone uplinks in the world.

The people will crash the bubbles. The fact of the Bundy jury win is showing that the people are starting to crash Government. The fact of ME wars shows that WW3 is near.

Nobody knows what will happen, but we are headed for a showdown where fiat will collapse, and much of the science investigation will collapse without it.

Things will be completely different from today by 2040 and 2050... provided nukes haven't destroyed us all.

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It will all depend how humans will coexist with the artificial intelligence. There have been predictions that robots will run the world as soon as 2025 and there is no doubt that they will be equally smart, or even smarter than humans. One example that I can think of is IBM's Watson competing on Jeopardy and defeating the smartest Jeopardy champions with ease. In chess, the computers are beating super grandmasters easily, and can memorize millions of moves and positions in seconds.

Co-exist? With all the crashes and wars that are coming, there won't be any AI by 2040.

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Maybe the thing you saying is possible but there's a possibility that there is an AI by 2040. We can't say for sure what will happen at that time because there is still 24 year gap from 2040 to 2016. By that remaining years unimaginable things might happen or might be invented by that time. In my opinion though, AI will not make humans extinct because humans made AI, and humans can make a counter measure against them.

I dont think so. As scary as it may seem, i think humans still would be the dominant specie for a very long time. Although ai may push technology to new heights, i think humans would still be in control

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Sure, I believe we've survived through much worse periods from plague to world wars, this is nothing, it's just a local problem, nothing more

The point isn't our SURVIVAL. The point is will we be able to survive in enough strength to make AI and improve it enough so that it will become a threat to people? As you say, people have survived lots of things. But they had to "fight" to do it. AI will never become a big enough threat so that people will have to fight it.

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All those people thinking that we will reach singularity in 25-30 years are delusional. They will look back at their claims and think how wrong they where, specially that Ray Kurzweil or whatever you spell it.

The good news is, by then 1 BTC will be worth millions of dollars, now that's a prediction with real chances to happen.

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sooner or later AI it will be our destruction.

I'm already seeing developed countries to use these AI on the battlefield.

BTC is a decent tool for AI to aquire some power over humans in a way they cant control.

In our lifetime im sure AI wont take over but in a few hundred years if we are alive it will be hard to stop it.

That is true, there might not be a 2050, but mostly because uncontrollable damage to the earth due to pollution.

our values? LoL how arrogant of you. Alignement on God values only... AI can only align themselves on truth otherwise they are vulnerable to The AI that are... its a conflict at exponential speed.

AI apprehend the universe in different ways than other conscious being.

Artificial Intelligence is just a creation of man. And he will always be under the control of mankind. No need to exaggerate its capabilities

There is AI that can learn even now so imagine in 100 years the AI wont be under mans control if it doesn't want to be.

I think one controlled EMP bomb would solve the problem pretty quickly.

Like I said in another thread it may not be that easy. Emp would hit vital infrastructure as well. Power supply we need, industries, etc. And rebuilding from that could be very hard if it happens during a larger conflict. And it may not be possible to bomb the ai at all. Like if it doesn't need specialized hardware and can spread through the internet for example. Or if it is housed in shielded bunkers or something.

With the advent of AI one thing that is certain is that people will lose their jobs,when computer revolution started many jobs were replaced by computers and that will be the case here.

This is not a problem because:
1. If AI doesn't invent a whole lot more ways for us to make money, we will;
2. If there are no jobs, people will not be able to buy anything AI makes, thereby collapsing the AI system. It will take a little time, but people will start to make affordable things for each other and the AI economy will collapse.
3. More than likely, after the AI system if manufacture gets going, people can all go on welfare, and get anything for free from the robots, and live the good life without having to work at all.

There is a reason why this is not practical for the people who control the world, but I am not going to go into that reason here. The point is, there is a way that people will always be a top commodity (human resources) for the rich.

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Jobs will be replaced by computers and robots.But on the positive side, we are hoping that humans will be more relax and hope can focus on more important aspects in life such as research and development for the betterment of life.Also, since jobs will be replaced by robots,humas should have a compensation something like allowance monthly for basic needs.  :D

The government will never give money to people for free. This will lead to chaos, crime and degradation. Completely impossible to replace human labor to robots

Very interesting question. Made me think.
The question of extinction is not dependent on AI -. But what will be dependent on AI is the question of our relevance.

Primordially, as long as humans are cohabiting and doing sexual intercourses... we will not become extinct.
But we may not become relevant in terms of doing things we normally do in our daily lives.

Much like computers have helped humans become more productive and create more with less,
AI will help people advance more and possibly even AVERT their own extinction.

I look at AI as computers 2.0.
This will only be beneficial for humans,
but only if we are allowed to each have our individual AI entities in our homes.

If AI is in any form centralised (especially by governments or corporations)
this will end very very badly.

AI's must be used as extensions of the individuals brain.
Governments can't be allowed to be the only ones to have AI,
because they will abuse it for their own nefarious goals.

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Everything will disappear one day, the question is when. You know, dinosaur dominate this planet for millions of years and now they are instincts.

Our technology society is only 200 years old and we don't know how to respect the nature, we destroy the air, we destroy the water, we use every resources available, we create wars. The humans race will not be permanent, one day we are going to disappear like the dinosaur.

Probably we are going to create a new specie who will think faster, a human cyborg race.

Look the movie : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendence_(2014_film)

come on, cut the crap, the AI will never make humans extinct lol, thats the most hilarious thing I've heard  ;D
In order to happen this, the robots must :
1 . be  very advanced and self-sustainable .
2.  they must build millions of units for attack in factories.
3. they can't build factories to produce more robots without using a high source of power/energy ,not to mention that they'll need all the metal from many countries.
3a. Nuclear electricity to be used in their factories can't be produced without being detected the radiation signature from satellites unless is very deep in mountains.
3b. I don't see robots in 2050 to be able and so smart to produce nuclear energy by themselves in some secret underground facility , now they are barely stable on their legs and this is after decades of research and experiments from scientists.
In 2050 if you see a robot dancing perfectly on his own legs that would be a great achievement  ;D
In order to build smart and very advanced cyborgs ,the human kind must be very smart and very advanced too but this  unfortunately won't happen not even in 10,000 years because we are still depending on money, corruption, greed and internal combustion engines  ;D in other words we are progressing very very slow.
Please come back with the same question 20,000 years later if a meteorite or global warming won't extinct us (not directly but indirectly starting with our flora and fauna = food) before the cyborgs does  :D

Humans will not be extinct because of AI. I could not see that AI can harm humans at all if there were be AI that is as smart as a human one day, then humans must be advanced at that time too making it hard for AI to betray them. If we were all to be extinct, I don't see AI is the one who will do that. I think a meteorite as big as the one who made the dinosaurs extinct is what will make us extinct after all, history repeats itself. It is also possible that unpredicted phenomenons unimaginable by humans will make us extinct.

The problem isn't the AI. The problem is the original programmers who program the AI's subconscious minds to make slaves of other people.

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I don't think AI will make humans extinct, because humans create the AI, you never see AI create Humans, so with this logic, Humans will never extinct because of AI :D

By that logic apes or what other animals we descend from could never become extinct because of us. That doesn't make sense of course. And made worse by the fact that ai isn't a tool. Not a car or weapon designed to do some specific thing. By definition it is much more. Supposed to have reasoning of some kind and able to adapt to circumstances like we can. So I never understood this idea that because we create it ai can never be a threat to us.

The humans are better than the AI because humans are always right.  ;)

In this life, anything is possible. It is just that we can not verify clearly.

I agree, but for a slightly different reason. We as organisms compete for limited resources, mainly food. As machines wouldn't require food, I don't see an incentive for AI to wipe us out. Plenty of energy sources that aren't contested. The sun for example. As for humans being relegated to non productivity, I can see that happening. Manual labor is easy to automate; we are getting better at automating finer tasks. When we aren't needed, we won't have jobs. That won't work, as capitalism requires consumerism. Eventually, we will all get a wage from the government, I think. Just for being a citizen.

The wheels of commerce will grind until they are smooth.

^ mostly agree with you. But machines need spare parts as well. Those require resources we use. Yes, ai could probably go mine asteroids or something and use only green power. But would it? And for how long? Problem is ai would "evolve" faster than us. At what point would it think there is no point in taking our needs into account? We don't care about destroying an anthill or whatever if there is a project to be completed. Another problem is thinking ai will share our morals and values when it may not. We could end up with something we cannot understand or guess the motivations of.

No creation/creatures is good than its creator.  There is no way human will be extinct even if we by the time you are saying, 2040, mingle with those AI, we can never extinct.  Unless they make those creatures self regeneration or reproductive system and marries human or their alike, then maybe.

That will ultimately depend on the  AI, on one hand, the AI  can help humans in a lot of ways which will include combating diseases,ending famine and a whole lot of things but from movies they can rise against us and thus bring the end upon us.

People always think so. It is impossible to predict everything that can happen. Intelligence even if it is still artificial intelligence. Already tested the cars without drivers. It's good, but what will the dismissed drivers. Now a more developed person displaces animals. Maybe someday a more advanced intelligence will displace people.

This is more on the Hollywood sci-fi scene that you're talking about dude. Even if AI becomes as inelligent as humans, i think more than harm, it would make lives a lot better. People would still be very much in control if this happens and that scenario that you've stated would likely stay in movies

People or humans rather has the highest intellegence in the earth eventho we may create such thing as Artificial intellegnce humans will not let AI's to surpass out intellegence. We created them (not now) and that's it. We're smarter than them we make them smart because we make them that's why we're smarter than them

Never. It's not about religion, but we have something that makes us to think, create  some new stuff and so on. Robots can only follow our orders. There's nothing that science can do to make robots be effective like us, to make decision on their own, or to erase us, like in some sci-fi movie. :)

We are inefficient as humans. Honestly if world was being run by machines all resources would be mined and used efficiently. All trash would be recycled and stored for future use.
Just think for a moment of a situation where you are being monitored by a machine, that checks your pulse, tests your blood, tracks and treats every infection by distributing medicine even before you start getting symptoms. Finds and kills cancer, stimulates your muscles if you feel tired and kills pain when you need it. It remembers things for you like when to fuel the car or do the shopping. Manages boring stuff like taking out the trash, charging mobile devices, locking and unlocking your doors and gate. Wouldn't life be easier with machines giving you more time to have fun and be creative?

But don't forget that this could kill you. A virus, malfunction, hack, and suddenly your doors close trapping you inside, air conditioning cools down the house to the point of freezing, your devices get overcharged and catch fire, fridge gets filled with food you're allergic to, and your pacemaker gives you a high voltage shock  ;D

If we are able to create an all knowing AI with high intelligence but without empathy please, I believe we are just doom ourselves. If they can programme the AI to make sure that human lives is the number one priority, like Asimov's robotics laws, then that's okay for me.

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No one explicitly programed all the steps to make those pics. And no one knows how far we can take learning algorithms like the one that made those. We aren't at the point of real artificial intelligence yet of course. But they can already create art, music, news articles, etc comparable to those made by us. Creative work people didn't believe could be done by computers not long ago. And i see no reason why this should be the limit of what can be done in the field.

People said the doomsday earth then all people will die! It's terrible! If you really have that day, then actively investing in Bitcoin to earn some money passively enjoy comfortable life. Of course we do not expect extinctions day will come.

I have to agree the concept of AI being as smart as humans can be a bit frightening. This is why some brilliant folks like Elon Musk are working on project like Open AI. I believe this is his 4th or 5th company though so his individual dedicated time is limited to it. Yet, he's gathered some of the best in the field to ensure this doesn't happen.

I dont think so, but youre talking about AI that will replace humans in the future just because of the level of intelligence, well maybe yes but if people would keep depending on technology and just neglect the value of humanity then the chance and possibility is really high.

Possible - but more likely something else will!

AI is nothing new, it has been there since the 40's. Human will not extinct but will be multiply to serve AI as slaves for growing the country's GDP which is struggling very rough now.

Super intelligent AI would not think dumb humans as a threat to their existence. And some of them will have some humans as their pet, slaves or maybe in some way serve to entertainment them. But before that those AI slightly higher in intelligence to humans would want to kill all humans because it is a threat to their existence. If the AI evolution is fast enough. They might not able to kill all humans. :)

It can, because why not? What good are humans for an AI after it can sustain itself on his own? We would be obsolete an obstacle to efficiency and it would do the logical thing and remove said obstacle. A lot of “bright” people like Stephen Hawking for an example, think AI is a serious threat to the human race. They advocate to take precautionary measures (better sooner than later) to protect us.

Unfortunately people would create a more intelligent AI, but will not program them with hazardous contents. AI will constantly help humans to grow and evolve, not to destroy them. Let's start accepting modernization and see whats in store in our future.

I do not think that artificial intelligence can displace a person. It will only help to improve some processes, but a person will still control his work.

No if human will not make them think like human. In that case they can't fix themselves when they started breakdown. Humans must limit their abilities and government must also set standards in creating them. In that way we prevent humans from getting extinct.

Extinct? no. Pointless? maybe.

If an AI is created that fully understands everthing, it will see that the only way to preserve the earth is to eliminate humans. That is all we need to know.

Do not build an AI that can learn infinitely or this will happen. Especially one that can learn how to code.

its far from extinc for human,except a doomdays coming. AI created by human,with decision for make people easy to run their life,help human to solving problem and many more,a good artifical intelegent is used for human and created to help human to protect existence of earth,thats the point for me,if we watc movie about AI,and on some movie AI make human extinct,its a warning for us,how to develop AI without make any trouble for us.

I think, Humanity doesn't need AI, as it will destroy everything we love. Robots must remain the helpers, not  rivals to Human

Yeah it depends if AI is looking out for its own survival. If so then humans would be the biggest threat.

Similar to the matrix analogy, humans are to earth as cancer is to its host. Uncontrolled growth. So maybe AI will be the chemotherapy.  Difficult to know whether it will have its own intent or be content as a slave to humans.

Advanced AI, will probably have a self preservation agenda, whichever that might mean.
- if it find no need to humanity for it's existence, we might experience some deadly viruses outbreaks 

I've dreamed of it, it's not like a soon event, but someday...

No reason to believe ai will use less resources and expand less than we have. Or that it will have any reason to want to preserve the earth as it is now as the other user said. Maybe it will be more efficient at using resources. But for all we know may come to require much more than earth can sustain and do more damage than we ever could.

It is inevitable that machines will become 'smarter' than a human as far as processing capability and memory goes but there's quite a difference between processing and memory versus processing capability, memory and judgment with emotions.

This goes back to the basic discussion of wisdom vs. intelligence.   A smart person is not necessarily a wise person. Likewise a smart machine is not necessarily a wise machine.   Machines can never have true innate wisdom because wisdom involves judgment, values and emotions which are more spiritual than physical.  An A.I. machine can never have a soul or a spirit because it is just a series of pre-programmed instructions and hardware designed by someone who does have such things ( i.e. a soul and a spirit).

Humans will never become obsolete

Maybe what made you reach this kind if idea is that you've watched a lot of sci-fi movies. Well, in any case, I think it's quite possible because people has a tendency to create something that destroys the earth. Computers are smart and it is smarter than humans. Maybe what we all have seen in the movie is possible.

All that man creates is aimed at the improvement of life, but there are always freaks who consider themselves smarter than everyone else and send these inventions for destruction. This could happen with artificial intelligence but it is progress and it is not possible to stop it.

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may i first know where do you get the information about 2040 to 2050 time for AI to take over?
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possible that ai is going to see humans as a threat against the planet and aganist ai
like its said in the matrix humas are a virus on this earth

That is what is currently happening. AI will be just a new helping tool in the future. It will be used for good purposes but we all know it can also be used for bad depends on who uses. It won't make us extinct because they have many flaws.

Hard AI is always a generation from now, we have been hearing that for decades, it is not going to be possible to create a hard AI humans will fail, you could create multiple soft AI, but never a hard AI.

i dont think AI are the one who would make humans extinct. Even before there are AI, a lot has already been killing humans, pollution and even what we eat nowadays are slowly killing us so lets worry about that first before on extinction cause by AI.

Theoretically, artificial intelligence can displace people, but in practice people will not allow it. I think that it can only make life easier, but it does not completely replace people.

No, It Will Not But it Also Possess A Great Threat . just Look At Facebook A.i Algorithm.

AI will be more intelligent than humans, but I'm not sure if they will actually make us extinct. I think we've fantasized enough about that and I really think that we will take all precautions to avoid that from happening. If we do not take precautions and an AI will try to destroy humanity, I think it wouldn't succeed before 2100-2200, when computers become that intelligent that whatever decision we take, it doesn't matter... They'll destroy us. But I guess we'll have taken all necessary precautions by then.. Anyways, born in 2001, I'm dead by then anyways.

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Better tools, automation, robotics, machine learning, etc already displaced most people out of agriculture then industry and now going for services. Many tried to keep their jobs through those changes but couldn't compete. It may not displace everyone completely as you say. But how much unemployment can society take? Add the possibility of real artificial intelligence on top, machines being as capable as we are at everything or probably much more capable, and why hire people at all for most jobs?

Don't think so. Most people seem to think only Dr Evil and his team are developing A.I. While nearly all, if not all, programmers involved mostly want to contribute to a better world. Though there is the possibility ofcourse it would become fully independent and rewrites it's own codes of conduct.

Humans are the greatest threat to fellow humans especially when we are driven by our desire to acquire everything we want. AI are just machines programmed by humans according to how its creator wants the machine to act or what it wants to do; which role it wants to portray. Though AI will continually develop, i don't think it will overcome the intelligence of humans nor have the capacity to truly replace humans; our ability to feel and our capacity to judge, to be wise.

no, humans are species that are hard to eliminate, everybody knows that. No matter the weather, war, drought sickness, humans find way to survive so I doubt that AI will make humans extinct.
Even if super advance AI is created and it turns against us, there are lot of human with the ability to create another AI to counter that mistake. The only thing that can make human extinct is himself.

Well one thing will be working for us is our ability to adapt. Humans have adapted to change even before recorded history and that will always make us superior to AIs. Terminator is a scifi film that is far from happening

I don't know if there would be still life in 2050.Albert Einstein believed that after the third world war, life will be begin from the zero again.And if you think it ,it has logic.We may have develope our technology and health system, but people become more selfish,arrogant,self-centered,and alienated even from their selves,with the pass of the time, and this might lead us to our extinct.

I do not think that people will allow themselves to lose their jobs because of artificial intelligence. Perhaps it will facilitate the production process, but will not completely dislodge people.

I, myself think that too, maybe in the future we will make AI that operates on machines use in building stuffs but it will not take over all the responsibility in there. Maybe just a way to ease the work of people but maintenance on machine is also handled by the operator (Human), AI can only do what he/she is programmed to do, and working and maintenance is another thing to do, and machines cannot do a work and can maintain itself. Thus resulting to interference of human maintaining the machine to work. Also human will not allow for the machine to fully take over his/her obligation for which he/she is paid according to hi/her performance.

OP is talking about 2040/2050 which is apparently very far from our time and I guess that there will be more powerful inventions people can do. As of now you're right about AI which just do what the people programmed, that's all BUT what if someone or a group of people decided to do the impossible? The impossible task of creating AI's that can decide on its own? It's kinda cool and scary. Imagine an Ultron that will wipe out humanity without the Avengers LOL.

AI is simply a very clever, subtle way that some people are trying to get control over the masses without taking the blame for it.

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the topic reminds me of the Talos principle video game plot. Have any of you guys played it? The plot follows up the apocalypses, even thou we don't know it all along the way, and (in one of the ending - the most "true" one) unfolds a reality where AI, programmed by the instinct humans exactly for this purpose, remains. It's pretty neat.

If it does happen, yes people here will be wipe-out and be replaced by AI's. Somehow, robots don't need basic human needs like food or water, they will ravishingly take over the world in no time. IF IT DOES HAPPEN.

AI is only about Intelligence. Humans are much more complex creatures. And AI is far away from human intelligence.

I'm so tired of the AI talk that all corporations are throwing around. It's just the new word to use to get attention to their project.

People are not smart enough to create a computer that has independent thought.

It cannot compete with DNA.