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Title: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Boussac on April 05, 2013, 04:18:54 PM
Dear Bitcoin-central and Paytunia users,

The service was taken offline last Monday, April 1st, to upgrade security after discovering a security breach.
Now that we are finished with the security upgrade, we are going to resume services gradually starting today, April 5th 2013.  

As a first step, Bitcoin-Central and Paytunia customers will be able to access their account with their prior login/password to view their balances (BTC, EUR, GBP or USD).
Funds received by bank wire during the service suspension have been credited.  
The system will be operating in read-only mode.
All our bitcoin addresses will be changed to new ones (do not send to your old addresses as they will be deprecated).

Tomorrow, April 6th, the next step will be taken with the ability to cancel unexecuted orders.
Because orders could not be cancelled during the suspension of the service, especially sell orders at a price below today's market prices, we will delete pending orders that were created before the suspension of the service that could be executed immediately.
Orders that are more than 20% off the current market prices are not going to be deleted as they are not going to be executed immediately.
Customers will have time to review the order book and decide as to whether to keep or delete these "old" orders.

On Monday, April 8th at 3:00PM CET/Paris Time, full trading will resume with the ability to create and cancel buy and sell orders.
Fiat currency (EUR, GBP or USD) withdraws will be available.

The bitcoin trading platform can be accessed via https://bitcoin-central.net (https://bitcoin-central.net).

Again, we apologize for the service suspension and the inconvenience of having your funds tied up for a week.

With full knowledge of the fact that your funds were held secure in spite of a vicious hacker attack, we thank you in particular, for your continued use the trading platform.

Thanks for your patience and understanding.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Boussac on April 05, 2013, 04:19:08 PM
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Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Boussac on April 05, 2013, 04:19:21 PM
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Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Boussac on April 05, 2013, 04:19:34 PM
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Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: HATA28 on April 05, 2013, 04:21:32 PM
This is good news, finally :)

At what time, exactly, will Bitcoin-Central come online again today?


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Joost on April 05, 2013, 08:24:06 PM
There's 1.5 hours left on April 5th. Are you going to keep to this deadline then, Bitcoin Central? It's really poor form to make promises and not keep them.

we thank you in particular, for your continued use the trading platform.

If you're breaking another self-imposed deadline, that's a bit presumptious.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: tnkflx on April 05, 2013, 09:13:59 PM
So... any additional news on why you're not online yet?


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: MrSambal on April 05, 2013, 09:52:49 PM
23 minutes ago, this exact same message was posted on the bitcoin-central website, still mentioning the 5th of april, so either they really plan to launch now at 23:59, or just didn't bother to change the message and quickly posted it on the site just now


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: HATA28 on April 05, 2013, 10:09:35 PM
Yep, they missed the deadline..
Again.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: d5000 on April 05, 2013, 10:23:18 PM
Perhaps they have missed the change to CEST (Central European Summer Time), all their announcements are with "CET" dates ;)


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: mrbitbank on April 06, 2013, 12:11:05 AM
I think we are being fed bullcrap here, First of all I see no reason why withdrawal request from Bitcoin-central for BTC sold on the 29th March has not been actioned, After all my BTC were never in an instawallet, and I had sold my BTC anyway my funds were fiat. We have had a number of deadlines pass without anything of substance happening so I am thinking there is much more going on then we are being told about. I think the way things are going we should prepare for the worse regarding our funds.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: HATA28 on April 06, 2013, 10:36:40 AM
Yeah this is no good.
If they don't bring it online quickly I think its time to send a team to France.

And what's this supposed to mean?
(http://bitcoin-central.net/somethingitdoesntmatterwhat
http://i49.tinypic.com/ng9jyw.jpg


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Joost on April 06, 2013, 01:50:26 PM
Yeah this is no good.
If they don't bring it online quickly I think its time to send a team to France.

Do you even realise how ridiculous and empty that sounds? ;)


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: HATA28 on April 06, 2013, 03:17:17 PM
Yeah this is no good.
If they don't bring it online quickly I think its time to send a team to France.

Do you even realise how ridiculous and empty that sounds? ;)
Do you even realise how ridiculous and empty its sounds that the account holders can not access their own money because of a financial service that has not been hacked, and is owned by a licensed bank, has been offline for 6 days. And then I'm not even mentioning the fact they broke their own deadlines multiple times.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Boussac on April 06, 2013, 04:31:29 PM
UPDATE:
We expect to be back online in the next hours.
Please appreciate the fact that we have had to accomplish two tasks in a very short time:
1. reconfigure our servers environment to upgrade the security: this was the cause of the service suspension.
2. thoroughly audit and review a large amount of logs and transaction data to make sure everything was in pristine condition before we display the accounts and allow new transactions again.

The review and audit turned out to be more time consuming than we expected.
Bear in mind that this was no routine since bitcoin-central had run uninterrupted for the past 27 months, i.e since its inception in January 2011.
Again, we thank you for your patience, specially those of you who are sending support messages or are simply not contacting us with inquiries at this time.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: mrbitbank on April 06, 2013, 09:54:33 PM
Well another day bites the dust and still the mystery goes on with Boussac telling us nothing but lies, every thing he has said about when this site would be back up and running has been crap and his reputation is being flushed down the toilet along with the crap he has given us todate.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: mably on April 06, 2013, 10:44:59 PM
BitCoin-Central is back online !

https://a.bitcoin-central.net/ (https://a.bitcoin-central.net/)

Many thanks to the Paymium team !


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: d5000 on April 06, 2013, 10:45:26 PM
It's up again! Finally :D

Thank you, Paymium people, for resolving this, although the next time I wished you'll set yourself more realistic deadlines ...

(Edit: All funds are there normally, only trading is disabled. Order creation / deletion seem to work.)

Edit 2: There is a new message regarding the resuming of services:

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April 6th, 2013 - 11:30PM CET


The service was taken offline last Monday, April 1st, to upgrade security after discovering a security breach. Now that we are finished with the security upgrade, we are resuming normal operations of our service with the exception of the creation of new trade orders.

Funds received by bank wire during the service suspension have been credited. Confirmed Bitcoin-Central and Paytunia EUR or GBP withdrawals requested before March 28, 2013 at 21:10 by verified users have been processed on April 2nd. Fiat currency (EUR, GBP or USD) and BTC withdraws are available.

BTC withdraws will be processed manually for the next couple of days until we switch back to immediate automatic withdraws. This temporary restriction is meant to allow careful monitoring of our operations in the initial phase of the recovery.

All bitcoin addresses have been changed to new ones. Please do not send to your old addresses as they will be deprecated. Your bitcoin balance is NOT affected by the change.

Because orders could not be cancelled during the suspension of the service, especially sell orders at a price below today's market prices, we have deleted those pending orders created before the suspension of the service that could be executed immediately.

For example, all asks below 120 EUR/BTC were deleted. No trades have been reversed. We also don't want to take anyone by surprise and as such give a 24h notice before trades start to get executed again. During these 24 hours you will be able to place and cancel orders. The order book will not be updated until the trading engine is restarted

When the trading engine gets restarted they will be executed normally.

Orders that are more than 20% off the current market prices were NOT deleted as they are not going to be executed immediately. You can now review the order book and decide as to whether to keep or delete these "old" orders.

On Sunday, April 7th at 11:00PM CET/Paris Time, full trading will resume with the ability to create and cancel buy and sell orders.

Again, we apologize for the service suspension and the inconvenience of having your funds tied up for a week. With full knowledge of the fact that your funds were held secure in spite of a vicious hacker attack, we thank you in particular, for your continued use the trading platform.

The only question pending: Will trade engine start at Sunday (7 th of April) or Monday 8th 10 AM? Seems a bit unclear ...


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Arthur Randolph on April 07, 2013, 03:00:22 AM
So we can place orders now which will be executed once the market opens.
But without being able to see the order book, I'm a bit weary of doing that, especially since it's been suspended for so long.
How am I supposed to price?


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: d5000 on April 08, 2013, 10:34:21 AM
Bitcoin-Central trading seems to work fine again.

Bitcoin withdrawals are slow, have requested one yesterday and is still pending.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Joost on April 08, 2013, 10:46:07 AM
Opening seems to have been succesful, and no strange edge-case trades have registered :)


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Herodes on April 08, 2013, 11:52:18 AM
UPDATE:
We expect to be back online in the next hours.
Please appreciate the fact that we have had to accomplish two tasks in a very short time:
1. reconfigure our servers environment to upgrade the security: this was the cause of the service suspension.
2. thoroughly audit and review a large amount of logs and transaction data to make sure everything was in pristine condition before we display the accounts and allow new transactions again.

The review and audit turned out to be more time consuming than we expected.
Bear in mind that this was no routine since bitcoin-central had run uninterrupted for the past 27 months, i.e since its inception in January 2011.
Again, we thank you for your patience, specially those of you who are sending support messages or are simply not contacting us with inquiries at this time.

I would advise to hire some security professionals to do a security audit of your system.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: 1PFYcabWEwZFm2Ez5LGTx3ftz on April 08, 2013, 04:37:25 PM
"BTC withdraws will be processed manually for the next couple of days until we switch back to immediate automatic withdraws.
This temporary restriction is meant to allow careful monitoring of our operations in the initial phase of the recovery."


This looks way too much like Cyprus situation. Oh, the irony.

Why oh why on Earth would you do this? Why open the website for trade, but not allow people to withdraw? Even if you are sincere about "is meant to allow careful monitoring of our operations", don't you see how messed up this looks to your users?

I didn't lose my trust when you were hacked, I didn't lose my trust when you were offline for a week, I didn't lose my trust when the deadline for re-opening the website was extended several times, but NOW I lost any trust I had in you. I am withdrawing everything I have (assuming that will be possible at all; my bitcoin withdrawal is "pending" for ~36 hours now), and never using your website again.

(sorry for double post, but I believe this is important for everyone to see)


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: 1PFYcabWEwZFm2Ez5LGTx3ftz on April 09, 2013, 12:33:28 PM
UPDATE:
My withdrawal finally got completed (after more than 48 hours), but now bitcoin-central is down again.
I still had some funds there which I was not yet able to withdraw.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: nicoin on April 09, 2013, 01:30:00 PM
1. bitcoin-central is down again, apparently under DDOS attack
https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Central

2. There are missing funds in my account. I had sent BTC to my account on apr 2 before realizing the site was down, 4 messages to support and no response so far. Blockchain shows the transfer completed, but then was transferred to another account on apr 5 while site was offline.

let's hope they get everything back under control and start responding to users.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Herodes on April 09, 2013, 01:59:23 PM
Bitcoin Central at this point have a serious problem with trust. I would advise them to consult an indpendent company for a complete security audit of their IT systems.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: d5000 on April 09, 2013, 03:24:06 PM
I was also been able to withdraw BTC funds from Bitcoin-Central.

I don't think we must distrust Paymium, but I think they have massive problems with the increase of interest in Bitcoin, just like the other exchanges. They are a little company (like all BTC companies, even MtGox). I hope they will be able to scale up the infrastructure so we continue to have a trustworthy EUR exchange.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Herodes on April 09, 2013, 03:25:03 PM
I was also been able to withdraw BTC funds from Bitcoin-Central.

I don't think we must distrust Paymium, but I think they have massive problems with the increase of interest in Bitcoin, just like the other exchanges. They are a little company (like all BTC companies, even MtGox). I hope they will be able to scale up the infrastructure so we continue to have a trustworthy EUR exchange.

Paymium is not affiliated with Instawallet ?


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Boussac on April 09, 2013, 04:24:38 PM
I would advise them to consult an indpendent company for a complete security audit of their IT systems.

How condescending .
Had you read my posts, you would have known that we did hire experts without waiting for your advice..
We rebuilt a complete production environment from scratch.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Boussac on April 09, 2013, 04:30:18 PM
UPDATE:

Following the DDoS attack of today, verified account holders can write to support@bitcoin-central.net to receive a signed message with an alternate url.

The message will be signed by Davout whose public key is available from the Web of Trust on Bitcoin OTC.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Herodes on April 09, 2013, 04:33:27 PM
I would advise them to consult an indpendent company for a complete security audit of their IT systems.

How condescending .

Not at all - as you've already had your systems compromised, seeking outside help from professionals is not a bad thing to do.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: BitAurum on April 09, 2013, 04:53:17 PM
UPDATE:

Following the DDoS attack of today, verified account holders can write to support@bitcoin-central.net to receive a signed message with an alternate url.

The message will be signed by Davout whose public key is available from the Web of Trust on Bitcoin OTC.

To anyone wondering: The plain-text email contains a line-break (before the link) that was not calculated for the signature. If you copy the signed part from the html-message (or open it in gmail and paste it into a txt-file like I did), gpg will give you a good signature.
This problem is quite frequent, even 20 years into the whole idea of formatted text I still believe writing emails in html is a bad thing :D

Good luck with the attack!


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Eluc on April 09, 2013, 05:03:36 PM
UPDATE:

Following the DDoS attack of today, verified account holders can write to support@bitcoin-central.net to receive a signed message with an alternate url.

The message will be signed by Davout whose public key is available from the Web of Trust on Bitcoin OTC.

I'm waiting for the email replay... I hope I can access my fresh bitcoin, I need it for buying stuff (yeah some people still use it for that...).

EDIT: I got the link thank you. I've made a bitcoin withdrawal, it's displayed as "Done" but there is no trace after a few minutes ?! Should I expect delay or something ?


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: BitAurum on April 09, 2013, 06:36:06 PM
UPDATE:

Following the DDoS attack of today, verified account holders can write to support@bitcoin-central.net to receive a signed message with an alternate url.

The message will be signed by Davout whose public key is available from the Web of Trust on Bitcoin OTC.

I'm waiting for the email replay... I hope I can access my fresh bitcoin, I need it for buying stuff (yeah some people still use it for that...).

EDIT: I got the link thank you. I've made a bitcoin withdrawal, it's displayed as "Done" but there is no trace after a few minutes ?! Should I expect delay or something ?

Same here, made a test-withdrawal for 1.5 BTC or so. Got a confirmation pretty soon, even with an included Tx-ID (cea2c0c19425ca36797bad5a78bd380b27b5df50691806750a98deddfcfc605a), but it doesn't show up in the network. Not good...

Edit: Bitcoins received, that's a relief. Apparently they create the raw transaction, review it and then push it into the network. Not how I would do it, but I'm not running the place. When my two EUR-Withdrawals are processed, I might even consider quitting smoking again :D


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: mrbitbank on April 09, 2013, 07:18:54 PM
Well I am relieved to say that my sepa withdrawal showed up in my bank account today, thanks


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Raoul Duke on April 09, 2013, 07:29:36 PM
Well I am relieved to say that my sepa withdrawal showed up in my bank account today, thanks

One of mine also. 2 more missing ::)


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: d5000 on April 10, 2013, 01:19:37 AM
Website works normally now.

I have withdrawn BTC from my account and they were sent instantly. Seems automatic withdrawal is working again.

Hope we can switch to normality now, being careful and storing larger amounts in a secure place. (Instawallet, I know, is other story)


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: benkebab on April 10, 2013, 07:36:24 AM
Evrything turned out fine for me: my SEPA transfer came through, I could trade with the alternate url that was sent by the support team, and I could withdraw my coins yesterday night.



Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: BitAurum on April 12, 2013, 10:00:17 PM
Can anyone confirm receiving a SEPA payout that was initiated later than April 8th? I have two payouts confirmed by email by now, the first message was received Wednesday 11:00 AM and usually these transfers, once they hit the banks, are processed within one day... Now it's Friday evening and I am still waiting for the funds to arrive on my bank account...

Bitcoin Central appears to work fine but I am worried that I have to plan in delays like these from now on.

edit: some rephrasing


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: iambaboon on April 13, 2013, 08:24:12 AM
Received a payout yesterday, confirmed on April 11, albeit small (3xx EUR ).

Later edit:
Until now, every confirmed payment has hit my account, so no sign of them lying there. However, there was always a delay between requesting a withdrawal and confirmation of the payment (the pending state inbetween), fortunately only 1 or 2 times it's been more than 2 days. They seem to control the situation, we'll see.

We should keep this updated if withdrawals are delayed.


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: BitAurum on April 23, 2013, 09:56:39 AM
An update regarding my two bank wire withdrawals: I still have not received any payouts for these two (now in week 3) but I was able to determine what went wrong. Also, an independent transaction was processed and arrived on my account without any problems. Apparently they have sent the funds to a suspended bank account (which I requested to have deleted in another ticked to prevent exactly that from happening, but it's not possible on their end). I have screenshots that prove that this was not the account I set when requesting the payout, so basically I am running after my money due to a minor fuckup on their end and the endless conversations with their support seem to bring me nowhere. It's not the end of the world but quite cumbersome, which is why I decided to post this mostly for the entertainment value.

Attached is my conversation with their support (sorry for the formatting) , I will happily produce any files and screenshots regarding this matter, but I'd like to do so in private because they contain sensitive information. xxx means censorship by me.

Quote
Wire withdrawals stuck in Nirvana
Opened 5 days ago by Adrian Golser (BC-xxx)
Status : Pending
Hello, I am writing in regards of two SEPA-Withdrawals that appear to be stuck for several days now, even after I received confirmation that the payout has been processed. The transaction numbers are 24224 and 304846, sum is xxx EUR each to different accounts in my name. I checked with my bank and they never received the transaction, so I assume the problem is on your end. Some additional info: There was another transaction that was returrned to my bitcoin-central account with the additional info "compte solde" (ID 284940, xxx EUR). Also, there was a withdrawal that was confirmed yesterday (ID 358049, xxx EUR) which I have received today. Please check what has happened and either proceed with the payouts or return the funds to my bitcoin-central account. Thank you very much Adrian

Pierre wrote, 4 days ago
Hi, The following wire went through per our CIC bank statement: 13/04/2013 13/04/2013 VIR 304846 - xxx EUR There was no reject since then. So your bank has the money. I will look up the other one but it could be the same story.

You wrote, 4 days ago
Hello, It would indeed be very interesting to see what has happened with the second transaction, because it was transferred to a different bank and is just as non-existent as the first one. So two different banks are supposedly holding a xxx EUR transaction while one of them happily transfers a xxx EUR transaction a week later? Please take the time over the weekend to make sure that the money has been transferred to the right accounts, not been sent back rather than rejected, not been transferred to a wrong account etc. I have been in contact with the VR-Bank, who in a telephone conversation confirmed they have never received any funds from France or Paymium. On Monday evening, if I don't have a conclusive answer on why and how my funds were lost, I will order a bank investigation for both accounts (25 EUR ea) which I consider you to be liable for, since I have brought this matter to your attention in full detail and all information present already. They will show that these payments have not been routed over SWIFT with my account as the beneficiary. Furthermore, I will publish these conversations on bitcointalk, where wild speculation on the meaning of the phrase "compte solde" will prove most entertaining. Personally, I am sure that this is just a minor clerical error, but it will not get solved if you insist that I or my banks have already received the money. Do your best, Kind regards Adrian

You wrote, 4 days ago
Hello, I just received an Email with a copy of the bank wire for withdrawal 304846, which explains why I never received the money. The associated bank account (DE4970xxx) has been suspended. The payout mentioned above was requested to be processed for bank account "xxx" (DE3077xxx), the order 294224 for bank account "xxx" (DE46710xxxx), for which I suppose the transfer has been made to the suspended account as well. Screenshots of the withdrawal requests are available if needed. I am glad we could clear this up, as I suspected it was a minor clerical error and a bit of confusion. As for your transfers: I cannot tell you what will happen to them. I recommend calling xxx (http://www.xxx.de/) and make them return the funds, if they haven't done so themselves yet. I no longer have the possibility to contact their support but I might be able to help if you can't find anyone who speaks French or English. Please return the funds to my bitcoin-central account. Kind regards and thanks for the help Adrian



Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Stephen Gornick on September 26, 2013, 08:11:41 PM
"The new Bitcoin-Central is here":

 - http://bitcoin-central.net


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 27, 2013, 01:11:27 AM
Quote
How do I withdraw Euros?

To withdraw bitcoins, visit the page "withdraw euros" under " account". Enter the amount you want to withdraw to your personal bank account. This is the bank account that you used to fund your account and specified during account registration.

Should be Euros


Title: Re: Bitcoin-central resumes operations
Post by: Boussac on September 27, 2013, 01:27:10 PM
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How do I withdraw Euros?

To withdraw bitcoins, visit the page "withdraw euros" under " account". Enter the amount you want to withdraw to your personal bank account. This is the bank account that you used to fund your account and specified during account registration.

Should be Euros
Thanks for pointing that out. Typo stands to be corrected very soon.