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Title: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: lassdas on April 05, 2013, 08:57:11 PM
Do you ppl get the trc wallet to sync??? Mine is stuck on "3 hours back" (when syncing the blockchain)

I'm having the exact same problem.  I'm glad to see someone else is having it.  I was worried it was just me.  

Same here,
Client is stuck at block 100626, restarting didn't help.
To give it a try, I freshly installed 0.1.3-28 on another machine, didn't help, once arriving at 100626 it's stuck.
Checking Cryptocoinexplorer.com which is also stuck at 100626.
Checking http://dustcoin.com/mining which also shows 100626.

What's up?


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: nethead on April 05, 2013, 08:58:18 PM
Im also out of sync


EDIT: lol, nvm, now i read the quote


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: mr_random on April 05, 2013, 09:00:48 PM
Is it possible this could be the result of an attack?

The other day there was a topic about someone who had >51% of the TRC network hashrate


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: VforVictory on April 05, 2013, 09:05:10 PM
Or it could be that everyone left after spiking the difficulty...


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: nethead on April 05, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
I guess it could be an attack, OR
simply by this diff ("difficulty" : 66974.93661016,) just no block is found in the last 4 hours and miners abandoned


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: meebs on April 05, 2013, 09:07:23 PM
I guess it could be an attack, OR
simply by this diff ("difficulty" : 66974.93661016,) just no block is found in the last 4 hours and miners abandoned

ya.. PPC and TRC are quite vulnerable to the ASIC's just coming in for a short period and then hitting the road in a a hurry.

IMO that is a HUGE benefit of LTC/NVC in that legit CPU/GPU's have to be used to snag them coins :)


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: mr_random on April 05, 2013, 09:07:38 PM
I guess it could be an attack, OR
simply by this diff ("difficulty" : 66974.93661016,) just no block is found in the last 4 hours and miners abandoned

Hmm... so miners are still hopping on and off depending on the difficulty...


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: Nolo on April 05, 2013, 09:10:41 PM
I guess it could be an attack, OR
simply by this diff ("difficulty" : 66974.93661016,) just no block is found in the last 4 hours and miners abandoned

Hmm... so miners are still hopping on and off depending on the difficulty...

Possible I suppose.  But even at this difficulty, 4 hours seems a little excessive for not finding a block. 


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: master-P on April 05, 2013, 09:35:26 PM
First vircurex is down and now this :o


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: dreamwatcher on April 05, 2013, 09:38:20 PM
Been looking at the debug logs of the various TRC daemons I have running on different servers.

It seems clients are in disagreement about the highest block. I am seeing the clients giving different heights when they query each other.

I have started a clean chain download, and will see what the debug log reports.


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: dreamwatcher on April 05, 2013, 09:51:56 PM
Clean download got to Block 100626.

I have other clients stuck in blocks a little under the 100000 block.




Never mind, I found that had overlooked updating this particular client with the protocol change. The one on my personal computer..go figure.. :D, the daemons on the public facing servers I remembered to update.


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: mr_random on April 05, 2013, 10:04:33 PM
So can you tell us what is going on. Is this a 51% attack?


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: celkaris on April 05, 2013, 10:08:59 PM
So can you tell us what is going on. Is this a 51% attack?

it's just the difficulty is way too high for the few miners remaining :(

Most of the miners jumped off the boat, while diff was the biggest TRC ever had til now...


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: Sunny King on April 05, 2013, 10:13:38 PM
I guess it could be an attack, OR
simply by this diff ("difficulty" : 66974.93661016,) just no block is found in the last 4 hours and miners abandoned

ya.. PPC and TRC are quite vulnerable to the ASIC's just coming in for a short period and then hitting the road in a a hurry.

IMO that is a HUGE benefit of LTC/NVC in that legit CPU/GPU's have to be used to snag them coins :)

It's not as a big deal for ppcoin, as ppcoin's adjustment is not super fast you would need a few days to pump the difficulty to that high. Moreover, when proof-of-work blocks becomes sparse there are still proof-of-stake blocks to save the day.

We have seen this before and ppcoin network so far handled those incidents reasonably well.


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: dreamwatcher on April 05, 2013, 10:15:03 PM
So can you tell us what is going on. Is this a 51% attack?

I do not think so, but going through the debug.log I am seeing clients connecting that fail at block 99996, which are clients in need of updating to the new targeting protocol.

Perhaps enough outdated clients, matched with the crazy jumps in difficulty is causing blocks not to be found.


I am not sure at this point.





Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: crazy_rabbit on April 05, 2013, 10:34:56 PM
Crazy high diff (we had 6% of btc hash power at one point?) combined with people on old clients. It will get sorted out when people realize they need too update and the diff finally gets back to normal.

Good timing with vircurex being down though, at least no one can buy or sell trc right now.


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: crazy_rabbit on April 05, 2013, 10:36:14 PM
Edit: no it's not 51% that is something different. This is too few people mining combined with the difficulty slowly readjusting. In my opinion it was better when the diff was allowed to widely fluctuate. Then at least it was accurate.


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: mr_random on April 05, 2013, 10:51:16 PM
This is too few people mining combined with the difficulty slowly readjusting.

Is that an educated guess or the actual answer?

If the number of people mining drops drastically it causes this? Or...


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: Sunny King on April 05, 2013, 10:54:23 PM
Yeah coinotron showing only ~30GH mining TRC right now. At the current difficulty that's about 2~3 hours a block.

Unless those 30GH starts pulling out as well just be patient I guess. Next adjustment is supposedly at 100650 I think.


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: Aseras on April 05, 2013, 11:10:11 PM
I threw 2 avalons on it for a while. sorry. that quick diff adjust can bite you in the ass huh?

there mined you one more block

1GHXkGhELL7etZ5ooMdndcrczYbLN9N3TZ

Quote
sorry..

-aseras
H0v3pE/BTW/0Aw/kYLoQxuIAHCwitN+5umOEPeY6StR+YNVUYZd3Kn9FEV3bQNAXz1YGPhkx3NholdrSTfe2OzM=


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: CoinHoarder on April 05, 2013, 11:17:54 PM
I threw 2 avalons on it for a while. sorry. that quick diff adjust can bite you in the ass huh?

there mined you one more block

1GHXkGhELL7etZ5ooMdndcrczYbLN9N3TZ

Quote
sorry..

-aseras
H0v3pE/BTW/0Aw/kYLoQxuIAHCwitN+5umOEPeY6StR+YNVUYZd3Kn9FEV3bQNAXz1YGPhkx3NholdrSTfe2OzM=

Lol  :D


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: mr_random on April 05, 2013, 11:22:01 PM
I threw 2 avalons on it for a while. sorry. that quick diff adjust can bite you in the ass huh?

there mined you one more block

1GHXkGhELL7etZ5ooMdndcrczYbLN9N3TZ

Quote
sorry..

-aseras
H0v3pE/BTW/0Aw/kYLoQxuIAHCwitN+5umOEPeY6StR+YNVUYZd3Kn9FEV3bQNAXz1YGPhkx3NholdrSTfe2OzM=

How many coins do you make per hour when the difficulty is decent?   :P


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: nethead on April 05, 2013, 11:23:24 PM
ITS ON BTC-E


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: Aseras on April 05, 2013, 11:24:28 PM
I threw 2 avalons on it for a while. sorry. that quick diff adjust can bite you in the ass huh?

there mined you one more block

1GHXkGhELL7etZ5ooMdndcrczYbLN9N3TZ

Quote
sorry..

-aseras
H0v3pE/BTW/0Aw/kYLoQxuIAHCwitN+5umOEPeY6StR+YNVUYZd3Kn9FEV3bQNAXz1YGPhkx3NholdrSTfe2OzM=

How many coins do you make per hour when the difficulty is decent?   :P

I may or may not have mined 10's of thousands...


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: Clearfly on April 05, 2013, 11:36:14 PM
I threw 2 avalons on it for a while. sorry. that quick diff adjust can bite you in the ass huh?

there mined you one more block

1GHXkGhELL7etZ5ooMdndcrczYbLN9N3TZ

Quote
sorry..

-aseras
H0v3pE/BTW/0Aw/kYLoQxuIAHCwitN+5umOEPeY6StR+YNVUYZd3Kn9FEV3bQNAXz1YGPhkx3NholdrSTfe2OzM=

How many coins do you make per hour when the difficulty is decent?   :P

I may or may not have mined 10's of thousands...

Noob, you killed TRC. Hope you can't sell those coins now ;)


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: nethead on April 05, 2013, 11:36:22 PM
I threw 2 avalons on it for a while. sorry. that quick diff adjust can bite you in the ass huh?

there mined you one more block

1GHXkGhELL7etZ5ooMdndcrczYbLN9N3TZ

Quote
sorry..

-aseras
H0v3pE/BTW/0Aw/kYLoQxuIAHCwitN+5umOEPeY6StR+YNVUYZd3Kn9FEV3bQNAXz1YGPhkx3NholdrSTfe2OzM=

How many coins do you make per hour when the difficulty is decent?   :P

I may or may not have mined 10's of thousands...

You better have to put one of those back for a little while to fix it?? Maybe?
Also, you can send some of those thousands here: 1LbJq3XdU3cbo3SRgekumighcN5DYWNiDQ  :D


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: TsuyokuNaritai on April 05, 2013, 11:44:54 PM
I have got some kind of response on sending some just now, no confirmations yet but they have been seen.

+100.00000000 TRC, 0 confirmations, 03:35 06.04.13


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: xan_The_Dragon on April 06, 2013, 01:07:21 AM
can we get an update on this could some1 look into this
is it forked
is it 51% attack
are there new blocks



Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: Nolo on April 06, 2013, 01:14:14 AM
can we get an update on this could some1 look into this
is it forked
is it 51% attack
are there new blocks



There's nothing to look into.  No fork.  No 51% attack.  The difficulty is just too high right now.  It will come back down soon.  No need to worry or panic. 


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: spacegoat on April 06, 2013, 01:17:36 AM
throw some mayonnaise in the trc's particle accelerator.  it'll cool down the difficulty


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: crazy_rabbit on April 06, 2013, 01:19:17 AM
can we get an update on this could some1 look into this
is it forked
is it 51% attack
are there new blocks



There's nothing to look into.  No fork.  No 51% attack.  The difficulty is just too high right now.  It will come back down soon.  No need to worry or panic. 

Yep. All my coins are stuck at Vircurex anyway. So, whistle and wait I guess! And then when it comes down, roll back this difficulty patch! The fast retargeting of difficulty was what I always said was a plus!


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: jar on April 06, 2013, 01:50:39 AM
can we get an update on this could some1 look into this
is it forked
is it 51% attack
are there new blocks



There's nothing to look into.  No fork.  No 51% attack.  The difficulty is just too high right now.  It will come back down soon.  No need to worry or panic. 

Yep. All my coins are stuck at Vircurex anyway. So, whistle and wait I guess! And then when it comes down, roll back this difficulty patch! The fast retargeting of difficulty was what I always said was a plus!

It still retargets every 30 blocks.  It was entirely possible to get into this same situation on the previous version.  The new version isn't entirely to blame.  I seem to recall you making a big deal about 8x profitability at the same time when the difficulty would be low for a while and BTC pools were under DDOS attacks and miners were looking elsewhere.

I would suggest that if people want to trade their terracoins, they should suck it up and point their hardware at the terracoin network.  The profitability on dustcoin is at 110% so people need to start generating some hashes.  The entire network loses when people chain hop.  Big miners actually make fewer coins and less profit per day than if they just continued to mine.  It's partly a social problem and partly a technical one.

The developer should revisit this difficulty issue.  It's not a simple problem.


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: crazy_rabbit on April 06, 2013, 01:52:04 AM
can we get an update on this could some1 look into this
is it forked
is it 51% attack
are there new blocks



There's nothing to look into.  No fork.  No 51% attack.  The difficulty is just too high right now.  It will come back down soon.  No need to worry or panic. 

Yep. All my coins are stuck at Vircurex anyway. So, whistle and wait I guess! And then when it comes down, roll back this difficulty patch! The fast retargeting of difficulty was what I always said was a plus!

It still retargets every 30 blocks.  It was entirely possible to get into this same situation on the previous version.  The new version isn't entirely to blame.  I seem to recall you making a big deal about 8x profitability at the same time when the difficulty would be low for a while and BTC pools were under DDOS attacks and miners were looking elsewhere.

I would suggest that if people want to trade their terracoins, they should suck it up and point their hardware at the terracoin network.  The profitability on dustcoin is at 110% so people need to start generating some hashes.  The entire network loses when people chain hop.  Big miners actually make fewer coins and less profit per day than if they just continued to mine.  It's partly a social problem and partly a technical one.

The developer should revisit this difficulty issue.  It's not a simple problem.

What would you suggest? I agree it's not a simple problem, but there must be some sort of solution in between. What are your thoughts?


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: jar on April 06, 2013, 02:05:38 AM
For now? Convince the big miners to stay on the network?  Maybe put up a bounty?  Social solutions involving game theory?

Coinotron and other pools could implement a payout system that rewards longer-term mining.

If people decide to start mining somewhere on the downward difficulty adjustment, there should be much smoother transitions that match the actual network speed and profitability.

I think the next adjustment will be 1/4 of where the difficulty is now.  That should be low enough that people start mining again.


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: modcom on April 06, 2013, 02:19:02 AM
Crazy high diff (we had 6% of btc hash power at one point?) combined with people on old clients. It will get sorted out when people realize they need too update and the diff finally gets back to normal.

Good timing with vircurex being down though, at least no one can buy or sell trc right now.

Where can I find what the next Diff change is and when it will occur???


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: bobbit on April 06, 2013, 04:33:12 AM
New block found, everything running fine again with TRC.... except they disabled it on BTC-E.


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: svost on April 06, 2013, 04:38:34 AM
bobbit +1

http://108.imagebam.com/download/Q_Sz2fW38XTS7TCD2jF7YA/24741/247403035/terracoin.png


Title: Re: [TRC] No block for 4hours? Everyone out of sync?
Post by: FJBourne on April 06, 2013, 04:56:11 AM

Great to hear! and 702TRC, nice balance. Very jealous