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Greetings everyone.  :)

As many of you agree waves platform is one of the biggest cryptocurrency projects right now. Its ICO was a huge success and collected 30,000 BTCs (around $22 M with the current BTC price), and when its features are implemented there's potential for amazing price pumps.

After the end of ICO bittrex and a few other exchanges added waves soon and have since been trading it. What's strange, is that poloniex doesn't list waves, despite countless requests from the waves community and their users. Many people thought they would do it when waves releases full nodes, but the nodes have been released recently, and still no poloniex!  ???

Sasha Ivanov, waves platform CEO, has repeatedly been asked about this, and his answer (in short) was that both waves team and polo guys wanted to list waves there, and the devs gave them whatever they gave bittrex, but they suddenly decided not to list waves and they never explained why, so we don't know what they are thinking.

So, really, what can it be? As always, the community came up with some great conspiracy theories.  ;D

- The evil poloniex theory:
Poloniex doesn't want to add waves, because it's not to their benefit. The reason? Some say they ask for %5 of available supply from every coin they list, so that they can manipulate markets, and waves doesn't accept this. Others say they are afraid of the waves platform decentralized exchange feature, which, if delivers properly, makes exchanges like polo obsolete.

- The evil bittrex theory:
Bittrex asks for exclusive rights to list waves, and they have some secret deal with the devs, not to list it on polo. IMHO, although waves has been the top trading crypto in bittrex most of the time, but this doesn't make sense because there are other exchanges that list waves, and it's not exclusive to trex.

- The evil Sasha theory:
The dev team don't want polo to add their crypto, for price manipulation purposes or something, and they have deals behind the curtain to add it when the timing is right. Also, there's a more stupid version of this conspiracy theory, which says polo doesn't add waves because Sasha was rude to polo, and they are punishing him (lol).




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IMHO it's all about poloniex! There's definitely something wrong with what they are doing! What the hell? You're the exchange with the most trade volume, you don't add one of the most well-known cryptocurrencies in spite of a thousand add requests, and you don't even care enough to explain why? Doesn't the community at least deserve a f***ing explanation of some sort? Aren't we the people who are giving you the highest trade volume? Can't we just stop that if we sense deceit in your actions?

All in all, what's your opinion guys? :)

Don't worry it will surely be added soon and we can all exit with the first big pump. Then get in later after the 50% or greater drop.
The longer it stays at trex the better hope of bigger dips so more profit on the polo listing. Be patient.

On 25th of April someone reported me for asking this in the Waves ann thread;


Was it a dumb question? Fine, no need to report, just say its dumb.
Was it a painful question? Idk...

I can not imagine polo wants to miss out on fees with Waves.
Full nodes just recently out, polo might want to examine it thouroughly. Mods in trollbox can and will not answer any questions on the adding matter.

I would like to see waves on polo, cause polo is nr1 trading spot for me, I do nt want to use another exchange.

Poloniex don't really add coins unless they expect great volume coming in soon. Waves have been in bittrex for quite some time. It is unlikely Poloniex will add an old coin unless there is something big happening. We need to wait for a few months when Poloniex volume has dried up before they will add a new coin to boost their volume again.

I completely understand where you are coming from, but I feel there are many more variables to the current Waves situation. Potentially even insider trading as the Waves devs do hold the most Waves, they have the most to gain by making the platform successful. I do have a strange feeling they actually know what they are doing..

I always side with the money.

If volume is what they are looking for, waves have had big developments before, and will have more features coming soon, but honestly I doubt that's the problem because they have many cryptos listed with daily volumes of less than 1 BTC, and many of those have been like that since their listing.
Any source for this?

They ran a big successful ICO, and as far as I know waves distribution is okay. Most of it is being held by the community, and not so many weak hands or whales exist. :)

I meant as one holder, they have the first (or second to bittrex?) highest amount of Waves. I believe from when they put buy walls for investors to exit a few months ago, check distribution on Bittrex.

Well, only Poloniex could tell you why, anything else is just theories.

You can get a specific answer if you contact their support on their website. Maybe their is a reason behind for that issue. Also, why not try to send a request or suggestion to poloniex that is related for that coin or try to ask for communities help of waves maybe they can help you to solve that problem.

I think Poloniex simply decided that they will nto add that many coins as they did add a year ago.  I am sure there are half coins on Poloniex that less deserve be there as waves. But they were added in times when Poloniex needed volume to survive. Now they are way more picky. Of Course is way harder to enter Poloniex then to stay on Poloniex. But we still see coins being kicked off from time to time.  I think in last half year more coins was deleted then listed. and this might actually continue.


That OPs first suspicion about 5% is totally impossible for fair launch coins. Where would anyone get 5% of coins to just give someone? Buy on Bittrex?

Poloniex still lists Sasha's defunct asset MMNXT.
Maybe they can replace that one with Waves.

Wel,, your post is really funny, and those evile theories too :P. For me, it hasn't been added because they're taking Waves from high and saying its worthless.

Even if Poloniex haven't added Waves, I think there is a chance they will add it later, Poloniex choose the right time to add the coin they want to add, ICONOMI has a great community and till now they haven't added it.

I don't think you can categorically say Poloniex decided to list Waves, though the behaviour of Sasha at times can be annoying especially his action when Poloniex listed ETC. I think Poloniex is trying to tighten up their security and has raised bar quite high to enter their platform (have seen Waves get 1000BTC daily volume on Bittrex? No, I've not). Projects like ICONOMI, Antshares, Singularity will also love to be listed on Poloniex and are all good projects too. so what conspiracy theory is preventing them from being listed on Polo.

many craps coin listed on poloniex.. so there is no reason about high volume or not..

It always comes back to first impressions and networking.  Poloniex added XEM at their launch and kept them listed, even though XEM's volume dipped below $1000 for the longest time.

Waves obviously is not liked by the people who run Poloniex and thus you'll never see it get added.  :D

you could put cryptographically proven photo tokens of your uncle's ass on poloniex and it's gonna be pumped. no ones there cares what any of the coins on there actually do or stand for. volume would arrive when they got bored of all the other junk. i don't think that's a compelling reason why they're not putting it on there.

The primary reason I heard was that the Poloniex team made a security audit of the Waves code and it did not pass the said audit. Also there some people who said that it was also because the Waves platform does not even have their full nodes online yet and have not declared a date when they will be online. I would stay away from Waves for now because using the Scorex code base might have been the wrong decision from the start. According to Charles Hoskinson, Scorex was meant for academic research and not for production use.

Let me know about the crap coin like your said, I strongly agree if Z was including in there.   :D

It is true that Poloniex exchange is very arrogant and they only add coins which comes under their terms and conditions which are fair or not , the same they have also not listed ICONOMI coins. Even if the users of poloniex exchange ask them they dont add it

Well, in that case they don't deserve to be the number 1 exchange of the cryptocurrency world!

Who is giving them trust and making them big? Who spends money there and causes their trade volume? Us!

Honestly I don't know about other requested coins such as ICONOMI, but if they are doing this with many coins, meaning they don't add them, not giving a damn about 1000 user requests and not even giving any reason, then maybe it's time for them to understand that power doesn't last forever!  >:(

According to Satoshi and the core Ƀ devs, Bitcoin was meant for academic research and, even to this day, describes itself as 'experimental software'.

As for Waves FN and scorex - I haven't run a node that is so fast, stable and resource frugal until now.

I am guessing that Polo are doing an audit of the FN - they missed months of big volumes and I expect they don't mind wasting a few days volume doing their own due diligence. Meanwhile, Bitrex is a fine exchange as are most of the others like Hit and C-Cex.

Why do people buy in to all these new coin scams anyways? Seriously... WHY?!?!

To profit from pump and dumps and make more bitcoins, that is what 99% of people use altcoins for lol. All that matters is king bitcoin, the rest of coins are irrelevant. Waves looks like an interesting project, but unfortunately without poloniex it's never going to pump, and no matter how good your project is, if it's not doing good price wise then it's a dead project.

Right now, at the current price of Bitcoin, Waves developers own around 20 million dollars to spend on the project, and it has just started. Full nodes have just been released, there is still the gui asset to be developed, DEX platform (descentralized exchange) and one of the most important things, the fiat gateways. And waves is an inflation less system, this means that no more tokens will be ever produced. So, the more the platform is used and the more Fiat you get into the platform, the higher the price the waves token will be worth.

Poloniex would be awesome, it would allow more users to buy into Waves tokens, but sincerely...in the long term with the fiat gateways and DEX, it is not needed and Sasha knows about that. It is just not an over night rich scheme like people want to, the platform has to gather some real use in the real world and this takes some time.

I agreed with you! Every statement is only just a speculation and has no proof of evidence about in poloniex, As far as I know it has a very strict rules regarding about requesting adding coin to their exchange site.

Poloniex isn't adding a lot of coins nowadays. I understand that they don't want to overflow with too much Altcoins, but I don't understand for Waves (and for some others btw).

Maybe we are just not patient enough ? Who know what's happening on the backside

maybe someday poloniex will add waves in their list but i don't know when, better to wait for it. with the many altcoins in the poloniex list, i think its much for us to make a good profit but i am waiting to for the waves in poloniex. and i think waves is on the list in bittrex and i am sure in that market exchanger, we can play with waves.

It is the same with Gulden

I don't have any idea on why Poloniex doesn't add Waves until now in their list. What's for sure is that they have reason(s), it's just that they didn't let us know. I'm one of those who have invested in waves(though just a small amount compared to others) and I'm hoping that Polo will add it soon. ~Patiently waiting here

I agree, and that's why I called community ideas "conspiracy theories". But who knows, maybe one of them is right...

And polo is making people even more paranoid with this "no explanation needed" policy!  >:(

Maybe they arent done accumulating yet. It will move back down for a while and we might see it added maybe next year. They dont like to add several coins at the same time

It's not that poloniex haven't added any new coin recently, I just checked Zcash is a new coin and was added recently to the exchange but with waves there is something secret on the backstages, we don't know where is the right time (based what poloniex said).

1:) Poloniex said they would not add Waves until the node software was publicly released - it only just has been.

2:) The Waves node is unique - it's not a fork or clone of anything (even though based on scorex) so I guess Poloniex need extra time for auditing.

3:) As more tradable assets are added to Waves and are traded with good volumes on other exchanges - the pressure for Poloniex to list Waves, itself, will grow.

I wouldn't worry about getting on Poloniex, a lot of btc will be flooding bittrex within the next week to get Gulden once their 1.6.0 release comes out. They said it should be out this week so maybe tomorrow. It's apparently going to be a huge release which they have kept a secret until release.

If Poloniex adds Waves, is there a chance the price will go up?
It seems like being added to one of the largest exchanges would add a lot of legitimacy to the project.

It's not going to matter, something tells me Gulden will be the best crypto within a week. The money is going to flow into bittrex which good coins like wave will benefit from.

Better to say it will add lot more marketcap to coin not legitimacy. There are many whales in poloniex ready to pump any newly added coin and only the lucky one can sell on that peak to take out maximum profit however other can also see nice stable higher price than before getting listed in polo.

Obviously polo is number one altcoin trading platform by trading volume so price can get hard pump there.

because other people will buy after them and create a ponzi scheme where the last one will be a bagholder, i personally convinced that poloniex is not adding ico crap anymore that are full clone of something else, they have lisk there and wave is pretty much lisk, so it's pointless, also without a proper volume you are not getting anywhere on an exchange like poloniex

Polo = CARTEL who basically add money making coins they (and whales) can pump on.

The reason why Poloniex is not listing Waves is best known to them and I know they have the exclusive rights to hold that position. Everything you listed are just theories which is derived as a result of picking dots. It could be true or it could be false. The only thing I think can be done is to increase the pressure on them for the listing or else, nothing can the done.

To be fair they have to look out for XMR which they have a heavy hand in, any coin perceived to challenge XMR won't be listed. There is a few coins they were forced to add to give them some credibility like Dash.

big money lost with waves,that will never recover..even poloniex cant help

What code base does waves use? You do understand that coins that use a new code base have to have a lot of time spent figuring out how to integrate them with the current system. For a measly 150 BTC 24 hr volume poloniex probably doesn't see the need. Maybe if it gets past a 1000 BTC 24 hr volume consistantly they might reconsider.

Then poloniex has to ask, will adding waves bring in new users? Probably not. It'll just move volume from other coins to waves. This would mean poloniex makes no money from adding waves and it might cost a few thousand $ to integrate it into their system.

Also waves was released a few months ago. Poloniex usually goes for more mature coins.

If waves can deliver the platform they promised in the ICO then I'm sure poloniex will add it one day.

At the end of the day it is their business and they can choose the coins they want to add. Gulden as I have mentioned before has been delivering on their roadmap and have stated that 1.6.0 is their largest update by far. Poloniex will not add Gulden either and I bet tech wise it will be top 5 after 1.6.0 if not the best.

Poloniex has the volumes from bots and pump and dump groups but volumes doesn't mean they add the best coins.

Guldens 1.6.0 update is likely to expose Poloniex and other exchanges and this is a good thing.

Support bittrex it's a good exchange, if waves delivers on their roadmap it doesn't matter what exchange they on.