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Russian Ambassador to NATO Alexander Grushko

MOSCOW, November 29. /TASS/.
There are no signs yet that NATO countries are ready to abandon the "Russian threat" myth, Russian Ambassador to NATO Alexander Grushko said on Tuesday.

"NATO still pursues the policy determined at the Wales and Warsaw summits. This policy is aimed at obtaining the central role in ensuring the Euro-Atlantic security once again, using the so-called ‘Russian threat’ myth. There are no signs yet that NATO countries are willing to abandon this course."
According to Grushko, "to make matters worse, NATO has suspended cooperation with Russia even in the spheres of mutual interest." "Meanwhile, global threats are still there," he went on to say. "Terrorism, the situation in Afghanistan, the chaos in the Middle East, these are the challenges that both Russia and NATO have been facing. If we speak or resolving the current crisis concerning the European security, then of course, our efforts should particularly be aimed at restoring cooperation in the spheres of mutual interest."
"Obviously, NATO should abandon the discredited policy of restraining Russia and stop strengthening its eastern flank as these activities do not enhance NATO members’ security but on the contrary, they create new security issues and challenges," the Russian ambassador said. "In fact, NATO has been trying to impose a Cold War era security system on us."

NATO and Donald Trump

NATO members were scandalized by Donald Trump’s election win, Grushko has noted.
"If we speak about what is going on inside NATO, then the US presidential election results shocked the member states," the Russian diplomat noted. "It is noteworthy that the shock was caused by some statements saying that improving relations between the US and Russian may harm NATO’s policy which it had been pursuing in the recent years."
According to Grushko, "this shows that the security situation is at the lowest level at the moment, since some countries, overwhelmed with Russophobic sentiment, consider normal relations between the two leading states, responsible for maintaining strategic stability, as a threat to their national security."


http://tass.com/politics/915304

www.missiontonato.ru/en

This is the problem when the foreign policy gets entangled with the business interests. There are many private defense industries in the US and the EU, who benefit out of the scaremongering. These corporations are so powerful that they can have experienced US senators and European MEPs on their payroll. John McCain is a prime example.

one other issue is the transhumanism issue. by stealing dna from someone (or ovaries, semen) they cross the border of the sanctity of life. by this I mean that by not loving the one in both ways as he or she was born it becomes very hard for them to cross. it's a condamnation. why do they want to steal souls? it's very story when you aren't target of it.

soul farming... so first frame the mind, to frame the body and farm souls... what to do with those souls? attack God? Defeat Death? I don't know...

but in all event when the clash of the front line appears there is no more lies. I wait to have chance to assist to some military trial against swiss citizens. it will be fun to watch them hear their sentences.

Soul farmin is in early stages... It is through the combined effort of mass media and politics to ensure harvesting of young souls for their degenerate gods. Sacrifices made for them, It will be interesting to have a new trial against the challengers souls.... It can only be blood.

McCain fought in Vietnam, was a prisoner and knew what Russia. Therefore, all his life considered Russia an enemy of America number one. And he's right. Just not all are able to know and believe it.

One of the reasons we elected Trump was to correct this stupidity.

Trump will never be friends with Russia. Russia always was is and will be America's number one enemy. Trump is a businessman and thinks that the rules in politics as in business, but it is not so.

Stupidity will be the fact that Russia in General can be seen as a potential ally. Once upon a time, Bismarck said that the agreement with Russia is not worth the paper on which it is written.

Why are you creating a self moderated thread on a 'myth busting' topic?

This destroys my will of contributing to the discussion by creating a fear of my post being deleted because it doesn't match your beliefs

To be honest, strenghtening the 'eastern flank' is a solid idea, since Russia did invade and annex a part of Ukraine
Why would Russia even care if someone builds up their defenses if they don't have pretensions on that territory?

It's not about politics anymore but more on business. Political transactions becomes business transaction.

There will be conflict in NATO not because of policies but because of money. If they will be given enough bribe money the conflict will settle down.

The primary cause of conflict today is money and the only thing that can settle this political conflict is money also.

USA imports oil
Russia exports


ISIS sells oil at dirt cheap prices ---> price of oil goes down

USA---> profits
Russia--> losses

This is the reason why there's conflict between Russia and USA  :D
USA wants cheaper oil prices and petrodollar, but Russia wants higher prices of oils, gasses etc since they export these

Although, Russian participation in Syria might also be a distraction from occupation of Crimea
How often have you heard about Crimea in the news lately?
Rarely?
Mostly about Syria :)
Or maybe it's both?

It seems to me that Russia is using Assad in Syria is constantly creating new conflicts and does not establish normal supplies of oil and gas to Europe. This would lead to a decrease in world prices and would reduce Europe's dependence on Russian gas.

Ever heard about shale oil production in the USA?

yes, because Russia constantly invades other countries and tries to destroy the governments that do not suite them. Just like with Libya, Iraq,...

Ever heard of USA importing 60% of their oil?

Oh, what a ISIS supporter.

China, and not Russia is America's number one enemy. And Trump realizes this, as he puts the national interests ahead of vested interests from the corporations. Russia can be a very reliable ally for the US, if a future confrontation with China occurs. But 8-years of Russophobic policies by the Democrats have pushed Russia towards the Chinese orbit.

Friends against someone in the Russian style! You have always been against anybody. It's not only friendship and cooperation. Depending on the situation the Russians will betray without hesitation, and will be able themselves to attack.

Yes. This whole sittuation could be a game of bad (obama) and good (trump) cop, to make Usa fight china using russian land forces and their bases. At least it looks like so.

One of the reason why it is like so, its because all of the blame russia thing gives everyone a bad aftertaste in mouth. Its all so stupid, that a public opinion can go 180 degree to the site of loving Russia, or at least having good relations might be seen from both sides as a political success. And such a warm hugs might results in trying to find a common enemies to relieve tensions between the lovers.

In Poland  we say that the ones that argue with eachother have an affection toward eachother.

NATo is designed against Russia and will eventually attack after Trump is being displaced by some Obama-Hillary-Soros president.

how do you come to that number?
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=727&t=6


http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=32&t=6


http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=268&t=6

(notice 2011 - ban on oil export was still active)

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=847&t=6



There is only one reason why the USA is not nr.1 oil export nation today and that is because oil price fell from a high of ~150$ to a bottom of 20$ and now stable at 50$.

The most important factor was US shale oil production which for the majority of fields is only economically viable at a minimum price of plus-minus 50$.

That is the reason why everyone was talking about sauds leading a price war to drive the US (and other i.e. Canada 80+$) shale oil producers out of buisness (a lot of them have huge debts because they took loans).

visualisation:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIMUS1&f=M

For something like that to happen, Trump must be impeached from his presidency. It is never going to happen, as the republicans are having solid majorities in both the senate and the house. So Soros can try again in 2020, but I really doubt whether his candidate will win the elections.

Who knows ,Who expected Trump to become president in the first place and how about a possibility about Trump faked the election results by hacking into the database with the help of Russian hackers and manipulated the election results :D anything can happen .

There is no doubt that ballot stuffing and other forms of vote fraud happened during the 2016 elections. But ground reports indicate that the vast majority of them were perpetrated by Democrats, especially in their strongholds such as Los Angeles and Detroit.

Already in Britain, said that Russia interfered in the vote on leaving the EU. I think Putin is a real fiend. How can he create so much tension in the world. I hope he will suffer punishment for it.

Unfortunately the winners are not judged. If the right has not proved that after the announcement of the election results no one has to cancel the results will be. Will just have to find enough dirt on him and make it manageable.

My favored top-tier geopolitical hypothesis at the moment is, in a nutshell, that

 - A tri-polar world as envisioned by Orwell is amazingly spot-on at the present.

 - There really is a loose-ish group of people who really are fairly closely associated with banking who really do want to unify the world under one political structure.  Pretty much classic NWO.

 - These people have been using China as a test-bed for some of their ideas.  China's designated role in the recent economic order (something of slave labor camp) and their totalitarian form of government made it useful for this.

 - The accumulated wealth and military might of the U.S. has been used (by these people) as a source in the wealth in the West->East siphon and to achive setup goals using our military resources.

 - Russia was a basket-case and mostly not very useful to these people.  Especially as Putin (seemingly) didn't completely play ball in letting them keep the resources handed out like candy when the USSR fell apart.

One of my top burning questions is whether Russia and Putin are 'for real' and genuinely antagonistic to the (supposed) NWO, or whether they are playing a deeper game.  Russia mind-fucks their own people so well that it's really difficult for me, across the ocean, to get what I feel to be a reliable read on things.  The most reliable clue I can get is how genuine the hate for Russia is (and the mainstream media is 'controlled' and 'fake' enough that I can be pretty confident in reality just by reading out of their propaganda.) 

It 'feels' to me like we may be on the cusp of what Orwell predicted when suddenly, overnight, "We've always been at war with Eastasia"

Orwell, or at least someone who analyzed 1984, also allowed for the possibility that there actually was not a tri-polar world at all and it was an illusion.  But nobody could ever really be sure.

The real reason is White Man's Burden and the elites' fear of other white people.

Traditional White Elites cannot imagine a scenario where lighter-skinned Asians, let alone 'brown people', are the inheritors / controllers of Earth.  To the eyes of these white overlords, the only people who can compete against them are other white people - hence the hostility towards countries like Russia but also internal-hostility towards their own white people.  

This internal hostility towards white people manifests itself into class warfare and a term we call 'Cultural Marxism'.  The elites push the 'browning' of society through the refugees / mass immigration, and even promote racial mixing, but with few exceptions the traditional white elite marry within their ranks and have few non-whites non-elite acquaintances.



 There had been a few exceptions to it, if you go back a hundred years, like Kaiser Wilhelm and Randolph Hearst who saw Asians as a threat.  Donald Trump, although more concerned about Latinos, does seem to view China and Japanese as potential adversaries to the traditional white elite.

Otherwise the white elite today only fear other white people - for they, in the eyes of these elites, are the only ones who can replace / challenge their iron-fist rule of earth.

The elites are racist and anti-racist ~ after all, they invented both terms.  ;)

You have answered your own question. Once the trump has said it wants to tighten policy in relation to Japan and the first visit is planned to Putin today in Japan. Here's the whole essence of Russia. Is the enemy!!!!

This is getting ridiculous. You are saying that the Brexit occurred because of Putin. Trump won the POTUS elections because of Putin.... the list goes on... get a life dude..... the people in these countries are smart, and they chose the better option.

I'm going to drink four beers tonight because of Putin. 

as the Blame Russia card.. .damn, I've lost the game in League of Legends... Russians did it! My internet goes out, Damn you  Russia!

Russian hacking and changing the election?

To mr Obama if you and the C.I.A have any proof could you please show it to Trey Gowdy and Jason Chaffetz
please?..
Then if they say he as cheated then he shouldn't be president?..

Now the proof needs to be this..

Point 1.. Did the hackers hack the system that does the votes?.. To change the number in favour of another candidate?..Now if the Answer is no then trump wins ;)..If yes he looses..

Now lets get this straight Mr Obama if Russia hacked and found criminal behaviour and showed it to the world..Then trump wins..WHY you ask..Remember Russia needs to have hacked the voters system..
if they hacked hillary to show her criminal ways then who gives a shit she is a criminal..

If a felon is committed you can do a citizens arrest..Or from another country they are helping your people out by showing you a criminal..   

Well imagine i knew a crime was getting committed against your own people?..
Then if i was in another country and reported that crime I SHOULD GET A MEDAL ;)..

But we all know it was your own people who showed the world your greedy ways..

Now about interfering..I am from the UK and i will be interfering and saying things about your election..
NO i am not a hacker a golf course hacker but that's about it..

But i will say this now you know what it's like when you come over to the UK and stick your nose where it's not wanted..SO HOW DOES IT FEEL :D :D..Oh and no drone on me head thank you ::)..

And last point i don't stick up for PUTIN.. Because he as been in power far to long and plus he as robbed his own peoples money..BUT NOT AS BAD AS YOU AMERICAN POLITICIANS..

And i just hope putin leaves next election..WHY because we need knew minds not old ones ;)..

But show the PROOF SAY SO IS NO PROOF ..And no we don't believe you OBAMA..

And last point MR OBAMA..You sure do act like a Muslim telling us how it is..
FUCK ME YOU WORK FOR THE PEOPLE..NOT SAUDI OR YOURSELF ;) ;)..

MR MUSLIM MAN ;D..And if your not one stop acting like one ;)..Like the saudi kings refusing to leave power..A muslim man ;) ;)..

I don't give a shit..FREEDOM OF SPEECH..BUT YOU WORK FOR THE PEOPLE NOT YOURSELF ;D..

And to you muslims have you nothing better to do than talk bullshit and blow people up..

I Don't own a fighter jet..So remember when your blowing a shop up ;)..CUNTS

If there was no cheating during the POTUS election, then Trump would have won both the electoral vote, as well as the popular vote. Right now, he is some 2 million behind in the popular vote, and my guess is that he will be leading Clinton by some 2 million if you nullify all those illegals and felons who voted for Hillary Clinton.

You're lying, as always! Popular vote Trump lost by 2 million votes. But most importantly that he will make more power and it will not give him the opportunity to be a trump card in the hands of Putin.

According to the official count, Trump trails Hillary by some 2 million votes. But everyone knows that millions of illegals and felons voted for Hillary in states such as California and Michigan. I am saying that Trump would have won the popular vote, had these people barred from voting.