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Title: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: gpna5769 on December 22, 2016, 11:46:31 PM
Hi everyone, I'm new here in the forum but I already have a pertinent doubt, recently I was in a group of the telegram that the administrator called Dumper said that would make us available bots of the telegram, these bots as he captured paper wallets and bitcoin wallet accounts , I did not use this bot because I was banned, this Dumper banned the users of the group for fun, but I wonder if this is really possible, and what strengthens my doubts and that he really raffled paper wallets, this really is possible , Do you know any method for this?


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: pooya87 on December 23, 2016, 05:07:46 AM
- paper wallet is written/printed on a piece of paper, you can only "hack" it by stealing it physically! and that only works if what is written/printed on that paper is not encrypted already.
- i don't know what you mean by "bitcoin wallet accounts" but if you mean something like web wallets, the way to hack them is to hack the user's account password by different ways like a key logger, social engineering,...

in short you can not hack bitcoin and certainly not with a bot that a random dude on the internet is giving away. my guess is that he is giving you  a keylogger but is calling it "bot" and when you receive it you become the victim of a hack.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: Kakmakr on December 23, 2016, 08:14:18 AM
Hi everyone, I'm new here in the forum but I already have a pertinent doubt, recently I was in a group of the telegram that the administrator called Dumper said that would make us available bots of the telegram, these bots as he captured paper wallets and bitcoin wallet accounts , I did not use this bot because I was banned, this Dumper banned the users of the group for fun, but I wonder if this is really possible, and what strengthens my doubts and that he really raffled paper wallets, this really is possible , Do you know any method for this?

I call Bullshit.. I have never heard of anyone that could use bots to find paper wallets. Explain this to me, I create a paper wallet and print it on a printer that are not connected on the internet. Then I take that piece of paper and I store it in a safe deposit box in a bank. How will that bot get to that paper wallet? All my paper wallets are created and printed offline on a computer that will never be linked to the internet again. ^smile^

Here, give this address to them and ask them to use their bots to get to the private key. 1Box5QJMqvEdao3GQEdh2UYihiTNDiT12a


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: NeuroticFish on December 23, 2016, 08:32:01 AM
Today you cannot hack Bitcoin. You can, however hack Bitcoin users and steal files from their computers/laptops/smartphones.
If the data you steal contain wallet files or private keys of addresses that actually contain Bitcoin then jackpot!
Any pair of public+private key can be seen as paper wallet, whether it is on paper or not. Many could make the mistake to "safe keep" their paper wallet onto computer for various odd reasons, but I doubt that what that guy has are actual paper wallets. Actual wallets - more likely.

Raffling paper wallets is again, a strange term. Maybe he raffles private keys, else he would have to hand the winners the paper, you know...


So, while stealing wallets is a possibility, I don't think it happens that often so he could play like that.
Stealing paper wallets is a less likely and it can be seen as a contradiction of terms.
I find it as a nice story, but just a story. Maybe that's why he has banned the accounts that are not his. Now be careful and check twice what he could have stolen from you.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: marseille on December 23, 2016, 08:37:03 AM
lol paper wallet unless they throw it out, otherwise you won't see it. No way to use a bot to capture it.

The bitcoin I heard have some private keys, if leaked then it will be the end of bitcoin as hackers can really mess up the bitcoin network in this case.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: gpna5769 on December 23, 2016, 10:45:55 AM
So in the matter of capturing wallets, the bot of the telegram worked like this:
He called the vps and the bot telegram, after that the users of the group typed the start command, after that one minute in a minute a user was notified that he would have captured a wallet and that in 24 hours would receive the balance of the captured account


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: DannyHamilton on December 23, 2016, 10:49:29 AM
So in the matter of capturing wallets, the bot of the telegram worked like this:
He called the vps and the bot telegram, after that the users of the group typed the start command, after that one minute in a minute a user was notified that he would have captured a wallet and that in 24 hours would receive the balance of the captured account

Sounds like a scam to me.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: Lauda on December 23, 2016, 11:15:22 AM
Sounds like a scam to me.
It's unfortunate to see just how gullible people are in areas that they don't understand. It seems to be very easy to make them believe things in the information age, especially when using some 'buzzwords'.

You can, however hack Bitcoin users and steal files from their computers/laptops/smartphones.
This is nothing special, and this is what the general population needs to understand. The users of pretty much any service, ranging from social media to internet banking can be hacked when their machines or networks are compromised. Bitcoin itself is not 'hackable' in the traditional sense. There are some known attack vectors (e.g. 51%), but that's about it right now.

The bitcoin I heard have some private keys, if leaked then it will be the end of bitcoin as hackers can really mess up the bitcoin network in this case.
Enrolled in a campaign and you don't know how Bitcoin works? "The Bitcoin I heard"? ::) Private keys can not leak in the traditional sense, thus making your FUD post useless.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: Looarn on December 23, 2016, 12:02:57 PM
Well if you create your paper wallet via some online services, the interception of the data gonna be in function of the service.

I guess there are several leaks possible :
- directly by the service (bad security)
- by the postman ^^
- by someone in your house
- by someone breaking your mailbox

But all those cases aren't directly link to BitCoin security.

Another approch gonna be generate private key and test it, maybe one can work and be uncrypted (no pass phrase).

Also this is not BitCoin this is user not securing his wallet.

My 2 Cts,


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: raja2sumi on December 23, 2016, 12:10:54 PM
yess bitcoin wallet accounts can be hacked in a different way.and it is called stealing ,if u want to store ur bitcoins in ur cold wallet store them in a pendrive alike structure ,then it is saved a lot from hacking.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: eternalgloom on December 23, 2016, 12:24:17 PM
Well if you create your paper wallet via some online services, the interception of the data gonna be in function of the service.

I guess there are several leaks possible :
- directly by the service (bad security)
- by the postman ^^
- by someone in your house
- by someone breaking your mailbox

But all those cases aren't directly link to BitCoin security.

Another approch gonna be generate private key and test it, maybe one can work and be uncrypted (no pass phrase).

Also this is not BitCoin this is user not securing his wallet.

My 2 Cts,
Is there already any evidence that certain paper wallet services have kept the private keys of those wallets?
I would personally not use an online service for that, but it seems like something that a lot of new users would do.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: Looarn on December 23, 2016, 12:33:31 PM
Well if you create your paper wallet via some online services, the interception of the data gonna be in function of the service.

I guess there are several leaks possible :
- directly by the service (bad security)
- by the postman ^^
- by someone in your house
- by someone breaking your mailbox

But all those cases aren't directly link to BitCoin security.

Another approch gonna be generate private key and test it, maybe one can work and be uncrypted (no pass phrase).

Also this is not BitCoin this is user not securing his wallet.

My 2 Cts,
Is there already any evidence that certain paper wallet services have kept the private keys of those wallets?
I would personally not use an online service for that, but it seems like something that a lot of new users would do.

Dunno just saying what could be the leaks. ;)


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: Dmitry.Vastov on December 23, 2016, 01:11:01 PM
Bitcoin cannot be hack. Maybe the hacker just phish the accounts of others. I think only online wallet can have account which is prone from phishing accounts because you must log in first to use the wallet. I never heard that bitcoin network can be hack. Its impossible. If its possible bitcoin must be dead by now.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: BitcoinHodler on December 23, 2016, 02:32:00 PM
Well if you create your paper wallet via some online services, the interception of the data gonna be in function of the service.

I guess there are several leaks possible :
- directly by the service (bad security)
- by the postman ^^
- by someone in your house
- by someone breaking your mailbox

But all those cases aren't directly link to BitCoin security.

Another approch gonna be generate private key and test it, maybe one can work and be uncrypted (no pass phrase).

Also this is not BitCoin this is user not securing his wallet.

My 2 Cts,
Is there already any evidence that certain paper wallet services have kept the private keys of those wallets?
I would personally not use an online service for that, but it seems like something that a lot of new users would do.

Dunno just saying what could be the leaks. ;)

if you ask me, it is not a paper wallet (which is supposed to be cold storage) by definition if you are using an "online" service to make it.
all the codes that i have seen so far for making a paper wallet are suggesting the following as first step:
- download code
- go on and offline (clean) computer which then they suggest using a live linux.

also people usually use the famous services/codes like bitaddress (not sure about spelling) which are peer reviewed and  are open source.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: Lauda on December 23, 2016, 02:37:22 PM
Dunno just saying what could be the leaks. ;)
That's not a Bitcoin private key leak, but a [insert service] leak. It is highly advised to avoid the use of web wallets, online address generation, et al. However, it seems that some users are too ignorant to realize why.

-snip-
Learn English and stop shit-posting.

all the codes that i have seen so far for making a paper wallet are suggesting the following as first step:
- download code
Code compromised -> Going offline is useless.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: Mometaskers on December 23, 2016, 04:38:18 PM
People posting these "hacks" online are likely to just infect you with keyloggers or other malware to steal your information and then use that to steal your bitcoins. Interact with these people at your own risk.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: Jet Cash on December 23, 2016, 04:46:15 PM
I don't understand why those stolen coins can't be traced, given that Bitcoin is a public ledger.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: Looarn on December 23, 2016, 05:56:12 PM
Well it can be. But there are also way to hide your track ni the BitCoin ecosystem (bitmixer is one way to do so).


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: MadHatZ on December 23, 2016, 06:12:10 PM
Fix your title. This wouldn't be hacking bitcoin but rather hacking a service.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: Yakamoto on December 23, 2016, 06:29:31 PM
I don't understand why those stolen coins can't be traced, given that Bitcoin is a public ledger.
They can be traced, but at the same time they can also be run through a Bitcoin mixer and at that point it becomes nearly impossible to identify who really owns the coins. Even if you are able to track the address it goes to you still have to actually find out who really has it, and that's probably more work than just tracing the transactions.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: cr7 on December 23, 2016, 06:31:55 PM
just a note:

you can't hack bitcoin because it is a protocol, at most you can find flaws in the protocol

you can hack software and services

please correct your topic


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: Kprawn on December 23, 2016, 07:07:31 PM
Your English is poor and not easy to understand... just for clarity... Did someone raffle out private keys that were created on some online

service? I cannot figure out what has happened. Private keys, which were generated with the correct method, cannot be hacked. A

air-gapped computer can be used to generate these paper wallets and then nobody will ever be able to "hack" it. I have placed honey

traps on my computer with small quantities of bitcoin, to see when people are trying to access my computer, and none of them have been

triggered in years. So I figure it is not worth it, or they have not solved the puzzle yet.  ;D


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: rapazev on December 23, 2016, 09:18:06 PM
of course it's possible, and it's up to you how to handle your keys. And if you dont take care of them, eventually, you will be hacked.
these "bots" are probably offering a "job" where you need to link your wallet or something like and doing that they will have access to your coins.


Title: Re: Hacking Bitcoin
Post by: calkob on December 23, 2016, 11:17:03 PM
Hi everyone, I'm new here in the forum but I already have a pertinent doubt, recently I was in a group of the telegram that the administrator called Dumper said that would make us available bots of the telegram, these bots as he captured paper wallets and bitcoin wallet accounts , I did not use this bot because I was banned, this Dumper banned the users of the group for fun, but I wonder if this is really possible, and what strengthens my doubts and that he really raffled paper wallets, this really is possible , Do you know any method for this?

Your English is so bad that i cant really understand what your question is, i think you are saying that someone hacked a paper wallet, but even that does not make sense.  bitcoin address are basically impossible to hack other than by brute force which would take longer to do than the years any hacker has on this planet, so no they cant be hacked.