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Title: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: yuiyuga on January 07, 2017, 03:44:01 PM
The Federal office for the protection of the Constitution (counterintelligence) last year revealed the cyber attack on the computer of the Organization for security and cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and sees evidence that the attack was perpetrated by Russia


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: daiyuba1971 on January 07, 2017, 04:33:39 PM
The Federal office for the protection of the Constitution (counterintelligence) last year revealed the cyber attack on the computer of the Organization for security and cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and sees evidence that the attack was perpetrated by Russia
Russia is very poor country. I hope that all democratic countries will agree on and impose against Russia, the sanctions that this country will disintegrate into several smaller and cease to terrorize the world.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: darkseid1199 on January 07, 2017, 04:43:17 PM
Sanctions will have no effect on Russia. The other countries will need Russia's help when it comes to matters in the Security Council.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: markj113 on January 07, 2017, 08:46:23 PM
The Federal office for the protection of the Constitution (counterintelligence) last year revealed the cyber attack on the computer of the Organization for security and cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and sees evidence that the attack was perpetrated by Russia
Russia is very poor country. I hope that all democratic countries will agree on and impose against Russia, the sanctions that this country will disintegrate into several smaller and cease to terrorize the world.

I would say out of the big players that Russia has done less harm than most.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: Karloff on January 07, 2017, 09:59:51 PM
Sanctions will have no effect on Russia. The other countries will need Russia's help when it comes to matters in the Security Council.
Why help Russia? I think this country is the enemy. Russian started many wars, provoked the migrant crisis in Europe and continue to organize hacking attacks around the world. I believe that it should not exist.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: MairaObergh on January 07, 2017, 11:51:34 PM
No, because Trump is in power.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: TaunSew on January 08, 2017, 12:22:26 AM
Sanctions will have no effect on Russia. The other countries will need Russia's help when it comes to matters in the Security Council.

Ordinary Russians were already extremely poor.  Before the devaluation of currency, many were only making the equivalent of $400 a month and now that has declined.  It doesn't really matter if foreign goods become more expensive because the poor were already living off made in Russia products.

The rich in Russia, and those who make money off the internet, are not affected.  Actually it's normal thing for the rich of any country to want to devalue their own currency.  The British elite, especially the ones who had most of their investments in $USD and EUR, made a killing after Brexit.  Just like the Mexican and Canadian elites are making fortunes right now with their declining currencies.

The whole international system is setup where the working class and middle class person loses every time unless they stay ahead of real estate and currency manipulation.  Parking most of your assets in $USD equivalents can help a lot, unless the US dollar loses value but the Petrodollar has survived all attempts of assault so far.






Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: BADecker on January 08, 2017, 01:07:34 AM
Sanctions will have no effect on Russia. The other countries will need Russia's help when it comes to matters in the Security Council.

Ordinary Russians were already extremely poor.  Before the devaluation of currency, many were only making the equivalent of $400 a month and now that has declined.  It doesn't really matter if foreign goods become more expensive because the poor were already living off made in Russia products.

The rich in Russia, and those who make money off the internet, are not affected.  Actually it's normal thing for the rich of any country to want to devalue their own currency.  The British elite, especially the ones who had most of their investments in $USD and EUR, made a killing after Brexit.  Just like the Mexican and Canadian elites are making fortunes right now with their declining currencies.

The whole international system is setup where the working class and middle class person loses every time unless they stay ahead of real estate and currency manipulation.  Parking most of your assets in $USD equivalents can help a lot, unless the US dollar loses value but the Petrodollar has survived all attempts of assault so far.


Consider Russia for example. Russia, like all countries, is people helping people do things, live and grow. Governments help people to become specialized in their occupation, and then share their work. The sharing is made simple with the tool of money.

But what happens when the Government misuses the tool, money? What happens when they don't know how to make it work for them and their people? The people become idle. They stop working. The get drink in their despair. They die.

Now, imagine that there is a landowner who gets a bunch of Russian people together to ply their occupations on his land. All the people work, and share their labor and abilities with each other. They share their strengths with the landowner, because he is supplying them with a place to work, and some of the raw materials they need to support life. Barter and Bitcoin take the place of money.

When this happens, the Government gets scared. They get scared that a new Government is rising. They send in their armies and destroy those people, people who are simply trying to live. Rather than freedom, there is only death.

This is the Russian Government. If they can't make it happen for the people, they won't let anybody else make it happen for the people. Give the people life. Let them live. Down with the Russian Government.

8)


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: TicTacTic on January 08, 2017, 10:48:20 AM
Sanctions will have no effect on Russia. The other countries will need Russia's help when it comes to matters in the Security Council.

Ordinary Russians were already extremely poor.  Before the devaluation of currency, many were only making the equivalent of $400 a month and now that has declined.  It doesn't really matter if foreign goods become more expensive because the poor were already living off made in Russia products.

The rich in Russia, and those who make money off the internet, are not affected.  Actually it's normal thing for the rich of any country to want to devalue their own currency.  The British elite, especially the ones who had most of their investments in $USD and EUR, made a killing after Brexit.  Just like the Mexican and Canadian elites are making fortunes right now with their declining currencies.

The whole international system is setup where the working class and middle class person loses every time unless they stay ahead of real estate and currency manipulation.  Parking most of your assets in $USD equivalents can help a lot, unless the US dollar loses value but the Petrodollar has survived all attempts of assault so far.


Consider Russia for example. Russia, like all countries, is people helping people do things, live and grow. Governments help people to become specialized in their occupation, and then share their work. The sharing is made simple with the tool of money.

But what happens when the Government misuses the tool, money? What happens when they don't know how to make it work for them and their people? The people become idle. They stop working. The get drink in their despair. They die.

Now, imagine that there is a landowner who gets a bunch of Russian people together to ply their occupations on his land. All the people work, and share their labor and abilities with each other. They share their strengths with the landowner, because he is supplying them with a place to work, and some of the raw materials they need to support life. Barter and Bitcoin take the place of money.

When this happens, the Government gets scared. They get scared that a new Government is rising. They send in their armies and destroy those people, people who are simply trying to live. Rather than freedom, there is only death.

This is the Russian Government. If they can't make it happen for the people, they won't let anybody else make it happen for the people. Give the people life. Let them live. Down with the Russian Government.

8)
Unfortunately, the population of Russia is under the influence of Putin's propaganda. In Russia there is no opposition no opposition to the Kremlin media. They don't know the truth and believe in Putin. Not only in Russia, even in the West, Putin's propaganda cripples the minds of people.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: yugo23 on January 08, 2017, 11:37:16 AM
Sanctions will have no effect on Russia. The other countries will need Russia's help when it comes to matters in the Security Council.
Why help Russia? I think this country is the enemy. Russian started many wars, provoked the migrant crisis in Europe and continue to organize hacking attacks around the world. I believe that it should not exist.

Russia provoked the migrant crisis? Oo
Wut???
USA and Europe are fully responsible for that. Especially considering the numerous attacks and wars started by them in those regions of the world. Why accusing Russia of something they're barely responsible of?



Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: markj113 on January 08, 2017, 11:41:11 AM
Unfortunately, the population of Russia is under the influence of Putin's propaganda. In Russia there is no opposition no opposition to the Kremlin media. They don't know the truth and believe in Putin. Not only in Russia, even in the West, Putin's propaganda cripples the minds of people.

Every population is constantly bombarded with propaganda from their governments.  To think otherwise is naive.

Sounds like your government has done an excellent job on you  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: TicTacTic on January 08, 2017, 11:46:10 AM
Sanctions will have no effect on Russia. The other countries will need Russia's help when it comes to matters in the Security Council.
Why help Russia? I think this country is the enemy. Russian started many wars, provoked the migrant crisis in Europe and continue to organize hacking attacks around the world. I believe that it should not exist.

Russia provoked the migrant crisis? Oo
Wut???
USA and Europe are fully responsible for that. Especially considering the numerous attacks and wars started by them in those regions of the world. Why accusing Russia of something they're barely responsible of?


Who bombed Aleppo? And who is helping to keep Assad's power against which 80% of Syria's population? It is easy to talk sitting in a chair when your house is bombed. Russia is the aggressor who for the sake of achieving their goals completely destroyed Aleppo.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: markj113 on January 08, 2017, 11:53:52 AM
I suppose the US had no self serving agenda for the below list and it was all done for the good of the people and democracy right ::)

https://wikispooks.com/w/images/thumb/6/61/US_Bombings_since_1945.jpg/440px-US_Bombings_since_1945.jpg

Every major power will stomp on smaller countries for control of natural resources.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: tracktorr on January 08, 2017, 12:07:50 PM
I suppose the US had no self serving agenda for the below list and it was all done for the good of the people and democracy right ::)

https://wikispooks.com/w/images/thumb/6/61/US_Bombings_since_1945.jpg/440px-US_Bombings_since_1945.jpg

Every major power will stomp on smaller countries for control of natural resources.
Americans are certainly not angels, but everywhere where America controls the situation, people live much better than where control of the situation Russia. Of course war is not without casualties, but compare the number of after America and Russia.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: craked5 on January 08, 2017, 12:31:57 PM
I suppose the US had no self serving agenda for the below list and it was all done for the good of the people and democracy right ::)

https://wikispooks.com/w/images/thumb/6/61/US_Bombings_since_1945.jpg/440px-US_Bombings_since_1945.jpg

Every major power will stomp on smaller countries for control of natural resources.
Americans are certainly not angels, but everywhere where America controls the situation, people live much better than where control of the situation Russia. Of course war is not without casualties, but compare the number of after America and Russia.

Sure...
Between Irak/Afghanistan and Syria it's clear what's better. And USA have nothing to do with Syria of course. Only Russia is responsible here.

I would gladly compare the consequences of the two if they were even comparable... Even just by the number of war started USA wins by a fair amount!


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: tracktorr on January 08, 2017, 12:42:53 PM
I suppose the US had no self serving agenda for the below list and it was all done for the good of the people and democracy right ::)

https://wikispooks.com/w/images/thumb/6/61/US_Bombings_since_1945.jpg/440px-US_Bombings_since_1945.jpg

Every major power will stomp on smaller countries for control of natural resources.
Americans are certainly not angels, but everywhere where America controls the situation, people live much better than where control of the situation Russia. Of course war is not without casualties, but compare the number of after America and Russia.

Sure...
Between Irak/Afghanistan and Syria it's clear what's better. And USA have nothing to do with Syria of course. Only Russia is responsible here.

I would gladly compare the consequences of the two if they were even comparable... Even just by the number of war started USA wins by a fair amount!
Those who say that Russia should be friends let think why Ronald Reagan called Russia the evil Empire. When the Americans defend their interests in other countries will see which side has always been Russian.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: Sithara007 on January 08, 2017, 12:49:00 PM
Many of the European Union nations (especially France, Germany and Italy) were involved in the NATO invasions of third world countries such as Serbia (1999), Libya (2011), Iraq and Afghanistan. So they don't have the right to blame Russia for getting involved in Ukraine.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: mainpmf on January 08, 2017, 12:52:38 PM
Those who say that Russia should be friends let think why Ronald Reagan called Russia the evil Empire. When the Americans defend their interests in other countries will see which side has always been Russian.

Thank you.
Here is the explanation of why the USA are the main threat to the world.
Because they do defend their interests in other countries. They have a huge will of political interference.
Usa takes side, they don't care about destroying entire countries or sacrifying populations to "defend their interests" as you said yourself.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: ovvidiy on January 08, 2017, 12:58:04 PM
Many of the European Union nations (especially France, Germany and Italy) were involved in the NATO invasions of third world countries such as Serbia (1999), Libya (2011), Iraq and Afghanistan. So they don't have the right to blame Russia for getting involved in Ukraine.
Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia? All who from Russia's neighbors want to on their territory spread Russian influence? Russia is not loved by all. America has shown its weakness of not supporting Ukraine with his troops.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: ovvidiy on January 08, 2017, 01:04:27 PM
Those who say that Russia should be friends let think why Ronald Reagan called Russia the evil Empire. When the Americans defend their interests in other countries will see which side has always been Russian.

Thank you.
Here is the explanation of why the USA are the main threat to the world.
Because they do defend their interests in other countries. They have a huge will of political interference.
Usa takes side, they don't care about destroying entire countries or sacrifying populations to "defend their interests" as you said yourself.
No one denied. Just the interests are different. The Americans improve the living conditions of the population in the country in exchange for loyalty to America and Russia destroying the country so that people were poor because beggars are easier to manage. See the difference?


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: craked5 on January 08, 2017, 01:40:47 PM
Many of the European Union nations (especially France, Germany and Italy) were involved in the NATO invasions of third world countries such as Serbia (1999), Libya (2011), Iraq and Afghanistan. So they don't have the right to blame Russia for getting involved in Ukraine.
Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia? All who from Russia's neighbors want to on their territory spread Russian influence? Russia is not loved by all. America has shown its weakness of not supporting Ukraine with his troops.

...
What is meant here is that they all have the will to use their influence and armies to take over neighbours or take out natural resources.
What's the difference between Russia taking over part of Ukraine and America trying to invade whole Midle East?


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: DimidoffVany on January 08, 2017, 02:11:24 PM
Many of the European Union nations (especially France, Germany and Italy) were involved in the NATO invasions of third world countries such as Serbia (1999), Libya (2011), Iraq and Afghanistan. So they don't have the right to blame Russia for getting involved in Ukraine.
Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia? All who from Russia's neighbors want to on their territory spread Russian influence? Russia is not loved by all. America has shown its weakness of not supporting Ukraine with his troops.

...
What is meant here is that they all have the will to use their influence and armies to take over neighbours or take out natural resources.
What's the difference between Russia taking over part of Ukraine and America trying to invade whole Midle East?
Russia is an aggressor and America is at war with it since 1947. Now America had a real opportunity to gain a foothold in Ukraine and weaken Russia. Obama was a coward and wouldn't do it, but Trump is a idiot. I feel sorry for you America.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: Sithara007 on January 08, 2017, 02:15:44 PM
Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: DimidoffVany on January 08, 2017, 02:21:59 PM
Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.
Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: criptix on January 08, 2017, 02:28:00 PM
Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.
Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.

The russian troll probaly things that west and east germany (brd/ddr) were 2 ethnicities too.

There is a fucking reason why every east european state is in fear of a russian aggression and that is not because putin is the 2nd coming of jesus.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: Klima on January 08, 2017, 09:34:04 PM
Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.
Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.

The russian troll probaly things that west and east germany (brd/ddr) were 2 ethnicities too.

There is a fucking reason why every east european state is in fear of a russian aggression and that is not because putin is the 2nd coming of jesus.

This week Germany was transferred to Poland several hundred tanks. It makes me happy. This means that Russian propaganda has no effect on Germany. Although of course Russian trolls and purchased the policy excites the brain of Europeans.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: flekkelek on January 08, 2017, 10:46:27 PM
Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.
Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.

The russian troll probaly things that west and east germany (brd/ddr) were 2 ethnicities too.

There is a fucking reason why every east european state is in fear of a russian aggression and that is not because putin is the 2nd coming of jesus.

As an eastern-european I'd rather join a 2nd Soviet Union than Merkel's "Europe".


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: criptix on January 08, 2017, 11:10:15 PM
Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.
Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.

The russian troll probaly things that west and east germany (brd/ddr) were 2 ethnicities too.

There is a fucking reason why every east european state is in fear of a russian aggression and that is not because putin is the 2nd coming of jesus.

As an eastern-european I'd rather join a 2nd Soviet Union than Merkel's "Europe".

just move to crimea or syria then  :D


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: flekkelek on January 08, 2017, 11:15:28 PM
Have you tried to ask the Ukrainians if they want to, there was Russia?

First of all "Ukrainians" are not a homogeneous ethnic group. The Western Ukrainians and the Eastern Ukrainians are as different as the Chinese and the Japanese. Right now, the Western Ukrainians are trying to impose their culture and language on the Eastern Ukrainians, and this is the trigger behind the ongoing civil war. Even if Russia stays away, unless the Western Ukrainians stop their ethnic harassment, the conflict will never end.
Do not tell tales!!! Are you from Russia? You here on the forum always defend the position of Russia. What you say is part of Putin's propaganda. You even ever been to Ukraine? In 2012 the whole of Europe saw that you're lying. There is no difference between the West and East of Ukraine.

The russian troll probaly things that west and east germany (brd/ddr) were 2 ethnicities too.

There is a fucking reason why every east european state is in fear of a russian aggression and that is not because putin is the 2nd coming of jesus.

As an eastern-european I'd rather join a 2nd Soviet Union than Merkel's "Europe".

just move to crimea or syria then  :D
well, it looks like Syria moves here first :D


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: Sithara007 on January 09, 2017, 05:57:43 AM
As an eastern-european I'd rather join a 2nd Soviet Union than Merkel's "Europe".

Good choice. Russia (or the Eurasian Union) will remain as a Christian majority nation in the long-term future, while Merkel's European Union will become Muslim majority in a matter of few decades. So make up your mind.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: Magpieguy on May 10, 2017, 09:24:36 AM
The EU is scared of Russia, so no.


Title: Re: Can we expect new sanctions against Russia from the EU.
Post by: Alfa123 on May 10, 2017, 09:56:07 AM
As an eastern-european I'd rather join a 2nd Soviet Union than Merkel's "Europe".

Good choice. Russia (or the Eurasian Union) will remain as a Christian majority nation in the long-term future, while Merkel's European Union will become Muslim majority in a matter of few decades. So make up your mind.

Yes, at such a pace, the European Union may soon collapse and it will be better to join Russia if it is not seized by China.