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I have 14 MSI RX 470's from Nov/Dec 2016 which are running 27-28Mhs ethereum.

I bought 4 more cards from newegg last week, and I had to reduce mem clocks on all to get them stable around 25.8-26.2Mhs ethereum.

On my older cards I'm running undervolted memclocks anywhere from 1920 to 1980, along with underclocked and undervolted cores.

New cards are stable around memclock 1850 to 1880.  No correlations between ASIC qualities (as reported by GPU-z).  Some of these new cards report 79.9 ASIC, but they are shit.   Could I be that unlucky to get 4 for 4 crappy cards?

Not sure whats changed @ MSI, but I'll be returning all 4 of them....

Not sure about your personal case, but I've never liked MSI's GPUs. My MSI 390 overheats easily compared to almost any other model.

My 380 Armor 2X are very good. 24Mh/s on eth and 650h/s on CryptoNote, have other 380 - no one of them can't beat this msi.

I agree with you the MSI cards are junk same with the powercolor 8GB cards and most of the nitros, in general the RX series that are not
480 ref cards are pure junk.. Out of the 100 i have 20 are being RMAed this week.  Not one of my 30 480 REF cards has a problem.

I was going to get a few 470 so your saying the reference cards are best

Woah really ? i heard nothing but good stuff about the sapphire RX, care to elaborate ?

What is your BIOS name for your newer cards? Is it *****-212 ?

I got a few in Sept/Oct and they were the 210 revision and had them running all at 2000Mhz memclock.

Later bought some more with 212 revision and these also run at 2000Mhz memclock but the ASIC quality isn't as good (65%) and they need more voltage.

Now however almost half of these cards need to run at 1950mhz or they get crazy amount of incorrect shares. Both revisions. I think its because as the DAG gets larger the VRAM chips get more unstable.

What is your memory VDDCI for all of them? 1V?

As for quality it seems all these RX 470/480 are badly built and cheap. Nothing like how the older 7970 were build.

maybe i just had bad luck , but I know for sure the most solid cards are the ref 480 cards, they undervolt the most to -100mv even mining anything at max power
 all my ref 480s OC the same to 2125 mem with no issues unlike the MSI cards and Nitros which are hit or miss , I basically just OC any non ref card to 1935 mem so i dont have to waste time figuring out the sweet spot for each damn card.

I have heard good things about power color cards with samsung memory (470s) the power color red devil with 4GB ram, I ordered six and they came with junk hynix ram which wont OC past 1950

I do have one RX 480 the high end XFX card , that one has insane cooloing and OC's just as well as the ref 480s but it expensive at $279.

I also have a few of the Visiontek ref 470s with elphida ram and those OC nicely but i've only had them for a week.

rating my cards in order :

XFX high end card 8GB the large one  - this one can undervolt to to even -125 mv before freezing dual or single mining eth.  If i had unlimted funds its the one i would buy
Ref 480 4GB and 8GB
XFX low end cards - problem with these is you cannot undervolt so they waste a ton of power not buying these anymore but they are of good quality
Powercolor 8GB - flakey cards  *edit* meant to say they can undervolt but only say around -87 mv on the core -12 using wattman vs -16 or -100 mv with the XFX high end and the ref 480s ,decent quality none have died
Saphire Nitro non ref all models 480,470  - nice with dual bios but they are terrible on the ram side , all with Hynix if 4GB or less and hit or miss on the OC , 2 of 20 died completely need to RMA
Msi frozer 480s and 470s - horrible OC cards need high voltage on the 480s to get decent hash rate which means power is wasted, out of my 20 470s 5 are bad, one actually burned up in the slot runing a motherboard
Saphire Nitro 470 ref - pure junk 3 of six are bad and freeze in any board i put them, ran well for a month or so , poor OC'ers some have elphida ram suppsoedly better cards but they all sucked for me

I have some other brands i'm testing not enough data on those

best bang for buck is these ones
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131696
but only if they have the newer samsung ram , i ordered 12 or so six had samsung it wil OC to 2125 and hash eth at 29.6 easily but again these cards are high volotage you cant under volt them more than 50mv
but since they are 470s they use the same power as the ref 480s with that modest undervolt and hash the same speed nearly.

Problem is how do you know what ram you will get , which is why i stick to ref 480s of the visiontek 470s 28.9 mhs on those

Thx for infos & feedback, very useful read !

np hope it helps btw made a few edits

have a few rx 470 nitro, not too impressed with the quality. Big difference in temps between cards and 1 had dead fans on arrival.

i believe msi card rx version had slightly higher clock than saphire rx.  if you overclock your memory too high sure enough there will be problem. sammung memory good, but not high oc

Well Im really happy with my MSI 470

Reason is that the fans wont make much noise and also working pretty cool
it also under volts very well so the hashing/watt performance is good
only the card cant handle 2000mhz at memory

I have 10 rx 470 4Gb nitro+ sapphire. Some of them have bad basic quality (60%, better than 1.5% of similar GPU's) and they run at 29.5Mhash stable because they have samsung memory.
So i would say that the real problem in my GPU's is the memory, GPU's with Heriox memory are shitty and i cannot run the higher than 27.5Mhash even though they have high ASIC quality.

How do you know what memory brand does a card have before buying it?, neither amazon or newegg advertise it i think, thanks

You don't.

With sapphire they currently use samsung.

The best way to know which memory a manufacturer is using is by reading here and seeing what people are getting, they can and will change the memory type at times such as sapphire has done.

All sapphire 470 8G use samsung memory.

The fans are of poor quality but all my card can do -96 mv at core 1151 and memory 2100 so 29,5 MH

Thanks, i do have gigabyte rx480 8 gb, msi rx 480 4gb, all of them with hynix memory i think, will go for saphire. How does perform the saphire rx470 4gb (the one has only one fan)?

 ;)
You can also look @ gpu reviews, often they take screenshots of GPU-Z especially in the overclocking part of the review, this way you can see the memory brand  ;)

Yes, these new ones were 212 revs.


All of my 210 rev cards with hynix memory can run at least 950mv and 1950mhz.  I have a couple that are stable at 900mv and 2000mhz, and a couple that are 920mv and 1980mhz.

Of these 4 new 212 rev cards, I finally ended up with...

mem 925mv/1880mhz
mem 950mv/1880mhz
mem 950mv/1870mhz
mem 950mv/1910mhz

First, I found what my maximum memory clock could be at 1.0v.    Then I started undervolting 25mv at a time until it was unstable.    So I cant run at 1.0v and get more mem clock out of them even if I wanted to, and I pay for electricity so overvolt is not an option.

210 cards? What a battle equip!
My greetings

The current production rx 470 4gb, I specifically was able to source the lots for samsung ram, unfortunately I still ended up with a mix of Elpida and Samsung ram on the 4gb version as the date code doesn't necessarily mean it will be one type or another.  I have much fewer elpida than i do have Samsung though.

Elide aren't bad either. I prefer those than the Heriox.
I've just ordered another 470, i hope to receive a samsung!

Elide=Elpida, Heriox=Hynix.

Dude, you need a translator.

msi is good gpu,
in my country they very expensive,
just bought xfx, quite cheap, but damn good, silent, cooler, running at the lowest 0.88v very stable mining eth,zec,xmr

I have 24 of the MSI 470s and they are my favorites, I actually prefer them over the Sapphire 480/8GB variants which I have as well.

My latest batch of MSI 470s (4GB) have Samsung memory.  You didn't take the 1500 strap and copy it up and expect it to clock at 2k on Samsung memory did you?

On my MSI 470s with Samsung VRAM I copied the 1750 strap to the 2000 range and I am running them at 1150/2100 and I am getting 29.3Mh/s out of them rock stable.

hmm i  messed up then. have a powercolor 470 4 gb  red devil dragon single fan 470 with samsung mem. copied the 1500 strap up (oops) and run it at 1300/1850 for 26.5 mhs. mining eth.

gonna redo it with the 1750 strap and run the mem up to 2000 or so and see what happens.

Samsung is a very good and optimised memory, indeed they have lower timings.
That's the reason why 1500 Straps are too tight and you need to use 1750. Someone uses 16** timings with good results either.

Dont waste your time.  You wont be happy with the performance if you copy 1750 straps on a 470 4gb.... I've tried it... gives like 24mhs.  Only 1750 straps if you have 480s and overclocking like 2250+.

Just received a replacement MSI 470g4.   It has a new 213 bios now.   And strangely, the Powertune settings have changed

210 BIOS Powertune
TDP  85w
TDA  125w
Max  150w

212 BIOS Powertune
TDP 85w
TDA 125w
Max 150w

213 BIOS Powertune
TDP 85w
TDA 107w     <==== HERE
max 110 w    <==== HERE


Not sure what impact the 107 and 110 have...  I was able to set this new card at 1130mhz/900mv core and 1950mhz/925mv mem as my first try and it is stable there, even with those lower Powertune figures.

I took some of the 212 BIOS that have 125/150 powertunes and moved them down to 107/110w to see if it lowered my TDP at the wall.... it did not (at least on ZEC mining).   I'll give ETH+DCR dual mining a shot and see if my TDP is lower at the wall.

Read the entire post, which you just quoted.....

You can't treat Hynix memory and Samsung memory the same.  RX 470s 4GB are available with both, I actually own MSI RX 470 4GBs with both.  You cannot use 1500 straps on Samsung memory and expect to run at 2000+ as the factory timings are much tighter on Samsung memory.  My MSI RX 470/4GB with Samsung memory easily achieve 29.3Mh/s at 1150/2100.

For Hynix based cards, use the 1500 strap, for Samsung based cards use the 1750 strap.

well, scrapped the 1500 straps at 1850 for 26 mhs and went to the 1750 straps @ 2100 and got me 28.8 - 29.1 mhs. 1150/2100 -75mv. so no complaints here. samsung memory, 4 gb 470. stock was 23 mhs. @rjg, @christian088, thanks for the info on that, netted me a few more mhs :)

@dallas, what memory did your 470 have?

Guess what , not only MSI rx series dies for no obvious reason, one of my MSI 1070 gaming X just blew on me , nothing extraordinary OC wise , +100 core , +250 mem , temps kept not higher than 70c at all times. Was running for around 3 months.

If you haven't done anything strange simply bring it back to the seller

I got two MSI RX 480 4GB cards and in less than a week now the garbage RAM they used is fried on both cards within hours of each other. The 8GB cards with Samsung RAM are all ok so far.

I hope the store takes them back.  >:(



edit:

and the store refused so RMA time...

https://i.imgur.com/S0ypFti.png

edit 2.1:

So I did the RMA and now I've got no money, no hardware and a promise to call me in "two weeks". At least Black Arrow promised me "next week" (Its been over three years now) when I made my ASIC pre-order.

You are the first one in this forum with all those problem.
Maybe someone put a curse on you, I do not have a better explanation  ;D

First one? LOL Black Arrow fucked all their customers and as you can see here MSI is shipping worthless paperweights to paying customers.

Whatever you guys do stay away from the R9 Furys. We had an actual failure rate of 14% on a deployment of almost 2000 of them.

I had my RX480 8GB cards experience some kind of failure today. I'm still able to run them with the amdgpu-pro drivers under linux but they're fucked under Windows,  crashing, freezing and flickering black triangles. I noticed the cards ran faster under Windows I guess whatever feature was being used is now fried.

Fuck you MSI.

Oh, and a special fuck you to the folks at NCIX who sold me all these fucking defective cards and refused to replace them. Fucking go crawl in an oven you fucking Jews!

Wait... so you've managed to kill numerous 4GB and 8GB cards in just a few weeks?
Sounds like the problem is with you, not the cards.

I have a mix of the MSI Armor cards and it's usually hit or miss if they will come with Hynix or Samsung memory (although my last few orders have been all Samsung). Anyway, what rjg says is correct about the Samsung doing better by using the 1750 straps, its the Hynix where you need to copy the 1500 strap.

As far as quality, I have several and have yet to encounter a bad card. I am fairly conservative with my overclocks however, and prefer to focus more on reducing power consumption so that my play into it.

Yeah, I am in a very similar boat having good experiences with MSI 470 4GB GPUs. I actually own 15 of them and they've been churning on ETH + DCR for almost 2 months straight with little to no issues, so was very surprised to hear of others having issues with them.

About 10 of mine have Hynix memory and the rest (newer ones) have Samsung.  Note that to strap the Samsungs, you actually need to copy the 1750 timings upwards, unlike the Hynix which need the 1500 timings copied.  Almost all of my 15 are capable of 2000 or close to it, with the exception of 1 that I usually don't try to push over 1850. So... 1 kinda bad one out of 15 I don't consider bad at all.  Hopefully there is not an issue with brand new ones as I have 7 that just arrived this week from Jet & MicroCenter.  Luckily I got these for about $160 avg cost/card because now there is a rather bad shortage of these GPUs... hard to find under $230 now... if you can find them at all.  Jet is out and MC only available for in-store pickup, but only $185 there so probably worth it if you are close to a store since that seems to be the cheapest available by far anywhere that I've seen.

Get the Gigabyte card folks and you wont become a hater like me.

No one likes getting jewed.

At least in the states we have newegg, amazon etc and they all take back defective hardware.  The manufacturers tell us in the first 30 days to return it back to the retailer instead of rma.

i have MSI XGAMEING 470 3 of them bad and 7 very good it like any other GPU 470 but more cooler.
i try msi asus nitro+ and ref but i find new company name it colorfire it chines company but it better than any other gpu i see  it moreeeeeeee cooler when my xfx 480 4gb at 71c colorfire at 60c and i buy it about 155$ :D

It's been over a month now since I sent my defective cards in for RMA and MSI still has my fucking cards, FUCK THIS COMPANY!

Edit;

After 5 weeks they replaced the cards.

I for the life of me cannot get any of my 470s flashed because Atiflash says it can't read my memory, after doing research on this, I found a way to troubleshoot it was to set the pcie speed to gen 1 or 2 in the bios but in the bios of my gigabyte x79 I see no such option. Anyone have any advice? I've got four 470s and they're all running at 14-20Mh/s  :-\

all of my xfx black 4gb w/elpida are awsome. i just choose to get a bunch if XFX black 4gb RX570's because i was happy with their 470s...complete horseshit,all of them

What a surprise, you sound just as bright as him. Fortunately your specie is dwindling but frankly if you could go and crawl back under that rock, we would be most grateful.