Buyer Beware - MSI RX 470 Quality

[dallase]

I have 14 MSI RX 470's from Nov/Dec 2016 which are running 27-28Mhs ethereum.

I bought 4 more cards from newegg last week, and I had to reduce mem clocks on all to get them stable around 25.8-26.2Mhs ethereum.

On my older cards I'm running undervolted memclocks anywhere from 1920 to 1980, along with underclocked and undervolted cores.

New cards are stable around memclock 1850 to 1880.  No correlations between ASIC qualities (as reported by GPU-z).  Some of these new cards report 79.9 ASIC, but they are shit.   Could I be that unlucky to get 4 for 4 crappy cards?

Not sure whats changed @ MSI, but I'll be returning all 4 of them....

[YIz]

I have 14 MSI RX 470's from Nov/Dec 2016 which are running 27-28Mhs ethereum.

I bought 4 more cards from newegg last week, and I had to reduce mem clocks on all to get them stable around 25.8-26.2Mhs ethereum.

On my older cards I'm running undervolted memclocks anywhere from 1920 to 1980, along with underclocked and undervolted cores.

New cards are stable around memclock 1850 to 1880.  No correlations between ASIC qualities (as reported by GPU-z).  Some of these new cards report 79.9 ASIC, but they are shit.   Could I be that unlucky to get 4 for 4 crappy cards?

Not sure whats changed @ MSI, but I'll be returning all 4 of them....

Not sure about your personal case, but I've never liked MSI's GPUs. My MSI 390 overheats easily compared to almost any other model.

[avirdoz]

My 380 Armor 2X are very good. 24Mh/s on eth and 650h/s on CryptoNote, have other 380 - no one of them can't beat this msi.

[Marvell1]

I have 14 MSI RX 470's from Nov/Dec 2016 which are running 27-28Mhs ethereum.

I bought 4 more cards from newegg last week, and I had to reduce mem clocks on all to get them stable around 25.8-26.2Mhs ethereum.

On my older cards I'm running undervolted memclocks anywhere from 1920 to 1980, along with underclocked and undervolted cores.

New cards are stable around memclock 1850 to 1880.  No correlations between ASIC qualities (as reported by GPU-z).  Some of these new cards report 79.9 ASIC, but they are shit.   Could I be that unlucky to get 4 for 4 crappy cards?

Not sure whats changed @ MSI, but I'll be returning all 4 of them....

I agree with you the MSI cards are junk same with the powercolor 8GB cards and most of the nitros, in general the RX series that are not
480 ref cards are pure junk.. Out of the 100 i have 20 are being RMAed this week.  Not one of my 30 480 REF cards has a problem.

[FFI2013]

I have 14 MSI RX 470's from Nov/Dec 2016 which are running 27-28Mhs ethereum.

I bought 4 more cards from newegg last week, and I had to reduce mem clocks on all to get them stable around 25.8-26.2Mhs ethereum.

On my older cards I'm running undervolted memclocks anywhere from 1920 to 1980, along with underclocked and undervolted cores.

New cards are stable around memclock 1850 to 1880.  No correlations between ASIC qualities (as reported by GPU-z).  Some of these new cards report 79.9 ASIC, but they are shit.   Could I be that unlucky to get 4 for 4 crappy cards?

Not sure whats changed @ MSI, but I'll be returning all 4 of them....

I agree with you the MSI cards are junk same with the powercolor 8GB cards and most of the nitros, in general the RX series that are not
480 ref cards are pure junk.. Out of the 100 i have 20 are being RMAed this week.  Not one of my 30 480 REF cards has a problem.

I was going to get a few 470 so your saying the reference cards are best

[m1n1ngP4d4w4n]

I have 14 MSI RX 470's from Nov/Dec 2016 which are running 27-28Mhs ethereum.

I bought 4 more cards from newegg last week, and I had to reduce mem clocks on all to get them stable around 25.8-26.2Mhs ethereum.

On my older cards I'm running undervolted memclocks anywhere from 1920 to 1980, along with underclocked and undervolted cores.

New cards are stable around memclock 1850 to 1880.  No correlations between ASIC qualities (as reported by GPU-z).  Some of these new cards report 79.9 ASIC, but they are shit.   Could I be that unlucky to get 4 for 4 crappy cards?

Not sure whats changed @ MSI, but I'll be returning all 4 of them....

I agree with you the MSI cards are junk same with the powercolor 8GB cards and most of the nitros, in general the RX series that are not
480 ref cards are pure junk.. Out of the 100 i have 20 are being RMAed this week.  Not one of my 30 480 REF cards has a problem.

Woah really ? i heard nothing but good stuff about the sapphire RX, care to elaborate ?

[adaseb]

What is your BIOS name for your newer cards? Is it *****-212 ?

I got a few in Sept/Oct and they were the 210 revision and had them running all at 2000Mhz memclock.

Later bought some more with 212 revision and these also run at 2000Mhz memclock but the ASIC quality isn't as good (65%) and they need more voltage.

Now however almost half of these cards need to run at 1950mhz or they get crazy amount of incorrect shares. Both revisions. I think its because as the DAG gets larger the VRAM chips get more unstable.

What is your memory VDDCI for all of them? 1V?

As for quality it seems all these RX 470/480 are badly built and cheap. Nothing like how the older 7970 were build.

[Marvell1]

I have 14 MSI RX 470's from Nov/Dec 2016 which are running 27-28Mhs ethereum.

I bought 4 more cards from newegg last week, and I had to reduce mem clocks on all to get them stable around 25.8-26.2Mhs ethereum.

On my older cards I'm running undervolted memclocks anywhere from 1920 to 1980, along with underclocked and undervolted cores.

New cards are stable around memclock 1850 to 1880.  No correlations between ASIC qualities (as reported by GPU-z).  Some of these new cards report 79.9 ASIC, but they are shit.   Could I be that unlucky to get 4 for 4 crappy cards?

Not sure whats changed @ MSI, but I'll be returning all 4 of them....

I agree with you the MSI cards are junk same with the powercolor 8GB cards and most of the nitros, in general the RX series that are not
480 ref cards are pure junk.. Out of the 100 i have 20 are being RMAed this week.  Not one of my 30 480 REF cards has a problem.

Woah really ? i heard nothing but good stuff about the sapphire RX, care to elaborate ?

maybe i just had bad luck , but I know for sure the most solid cards are the ref 480 cards, they undervolt the most to -100mv even mining anything at max power
 all my ref 480s OC the same to 2125 mem with no issues unlike the MSI cards and Nitros which are hit or miss , I basically just OC any non ref card to 1935 mem so i dont have to waste time figuring out the sweet spot for each damn card.

I have heard good things about power color cards with samsung memory (470s) the power color red devil with 4GB ram, I ordered six and they came with junk hynix ram which wont OC past 1950

I do have one RX 480 the high end XFX card , that one has insane cooloing and OC's just as well as the ref 480s but it expensive at $279.

I also have a few of the Visiontek ref 470s with elphida ram and those OC nicely but i've only had them for a week.

[Marvell1]

I have 14 MSI RX 470's from Nov/Dec 2016 which are running 27-28Mhs ethereum.

I bought 4 more cards from newegg last week, and I had to reduce mem clocks on all to get them stable around 25.8-26.2Mhs ethereum.

On my older cards I'm running undervolted memclocks anywhere from 1920 to 1980, along with underclocked and undervolted cores.

New cards are stable around memclock 1850 to 1880.  No correlations between ASIC qualities (as reported by GPU-z).  Some of these new cards report 79.9 ASIC, but they are shit.   Could I be that unlucky to get 4 for 4 crappy cards?

Not sure whats changed @ MSI, but
I'll be returning all 4 of them....

I agree with you the MSI cards are junk same with the powercolor 8GB cards and most of the nitros, in general the RX series that are not
480 ref cards are pure junk.. Out of the 100 i have 20 are being RMAed this week.  Not one of my 30 480 REF cards has a problem.

Woah really ? i heard nothing but good stuff about the sapphire RX, care to elaborate ?

rating my cards in order :

XFX high end card 8GB the large one  - this one can undervolt to to even -125 mv before freezing dual or single mining eth.  If i had unlimted funds its the one i would buy
Ref 480 4GB and 8GB
XFX low end cards - problem with these is you cannot undervolt so they waste a ton of power not buying these anymore but they are of good quality
Powercolor 8GB - flakey cards  *edit* meant to say they can undervolt but only say around -87 mv on the core -12 using wattman vs -16 or -100 mv with the XFX high end and the ref 480s ,decent quality none have died
Saphire Nitro non ref all models 480,470  - nice with dual bios but they are terrible on the ram side , all with Hynix if 4GB or less and hit or miss on the OC , 2 of 20 died completely need to RMA
Msi frozer 480s and 470s - horrible OC cards need high voltage on the 480s to get decent hash rate which means power is wasted, out of my 20 470s 5 are bad, one actually burned up in the slot runing a motherboard
Saphire Nitro 470 ref - pure junk 3 of six are bad and freeze in any board i put them, ran well for a month or so , poor OC'ers some have elphida ram suppsoedly better cards but they all sucked for me

I have some other brands i'm testing not enough data on those

best bang for buck is these ones
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131696
but only if they have the newer samsung ram , i ordered 12 or so six had samsung it wil OC to 2125 and hash eth at 29.6 easily but again these cards are high volotage you cant under volt them more than 50mv
but since they are 470s they use the same power as the ref 480s with that modest undervolt and hash the same speed nearly.

Problem is how do you know what ram you will get , which is why i stick to ref 480s of the visiontek 470s 28.9 mhs on those

[m1n1ngP4d4w4n]

I have 14 MSI RX 470's from Nov/Dec 2016 which are running 27-28Mhs ethereum.

I bought 4 more cards from newegg last week, and I had to reduce mem clocks on all to get them stable around 25.8-26.2Mhs ethereum.

On my older cards I'm running undervolted memclocks anywhere from 1920 to 1980, along with underclocked and undervolted cores.

New cards are stable around memclock 1850 to 1880.  No correlations between ASIC qualities (as reported by GPU-z).  Some of these new cards report 79.9 ASIC, but they are shit.   Could I be that unlucky to get 4 for 4 crappy cards?

Not sure whats changed @ MSI, but
I'll be returning all 4 of them....

I agree with you the MSI cards are junk same with the powercolor 8GB cards and most of the nitros, in general the RX series that are not
480 ref cards are pure junk.. Out of the 100 i have 20 are being RMAed this week.  Not one of my 30 480 REF cards has a problem.

Woah really ? i heard nothing but good stuff about the sapphire RX, care to elaborate ?

rating my cards in order :

XFX high end card 8GB the large one
Ref 480 4GB and 8GB
XFX low end cards - problem with these is you cannot undervolt so they waste a ton of power not buying these anymore but they are of good quality
Powercolor 8GB - flakey cards cannot underclock but none have died or fried on me
Saphire Nitro non ref all models 480,470  - nice with dual bios but they are terrible on the ram side , all with Hynix if 4GB or less and hit or miss on the OC , 2 of 20 died completely need to RMA
Msi frozer 480s and 470s - horrible OC cards need high voltage on the 480s to get decent hash rate which means power is wasted, out of my 20 470s 5 are bad, one actually burned up in the slot runing a motherboard
Saphire Nitro 470 ref - pure junk 3 of six are bad and freeze in any board i put them, ran well for a month or so , poor OC'ers some have elphida ram suppsoedly better cards but they all sucked for me

I have some other brands i'm testing not enough data on those

best bang for buck is these ones
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131696
but only if they have the newer samsung ram , i ordered 12 or so six had samsung it wil OC to 2125 and hash eth at 29.6 easily but again these cards are high volotage you cant under volt them more than 50mv
but since they are 470s they use the same power as the ref 480s with that modest undervolt and hash the same speed nearly.

Problem is how do you know what ram you will get , which is why i stick to ref 480s of the visiontek 470s 28.9 mhs on those

Thx for infos & feedback, very useful read !

[Marvell1]

I have 14 MSI RX 470's from Nov/Dec 2016 which are running 27-28Mhs ethereum.

I bought 4 more cards from newegg last week, and I had to reduce mem clocks on all to get them stable around 25.8-26.2Mhs ethereum.

On my older cards I'm running undervolted memclocks anywhere from 1920 to 1980, along with underclocked and undervolted cores.

New cards are stable around memclock 1850 to 1880.  No correlations between ASIC qualities (as reported by GPU-z).  Some of these new cards report 79.9 ASIC, but they are shit.   Could I be that unlucky to get 4 for 4 crappy cards?

Not sure whats changed @ MSI, but
I'll be returning all 4 of them....

I agree with you the MSI cards are junk same with the powercolor 8GB cards and most of the nitros, in general the RX series that are not
480 ref cards are pure junk.. Out of the 100 i have 20 are being RMAed this week.  Not one of my 30 480 REF cards has a problem.

Woah really ? i heard nothing but good stuff about the sapphire RX, care to elaborate ?

rating my cards in order :

XFX high end card 8GB the large one
Ref 480 4GB and 8GB
XFX low end cards - problem with these is you cannot undervolt so they waste a ton of power not buying these anymore but they are of good quality
Powercolor 8GB - flakey cards cannot underclock but none have died or fried on me
Saphire Nitro non ref all models 480,470  - nice with dual bios but they are terrible on the ram side , all with Hynix if 4GB or less and hit or miss on the OC , 2 of 20 died completely need to RMA
Msi frozer 480s and 470s - horrible OC cards need high voltage on the 480s to get decent hash rate which means power is wasted, out of my 20 470s 5 are bad, one actually burned up in the slot runing a motherboard
Saphire Nitro 470 ref - pure junk 3 of six are bad and freeze in any board i put them, ran well for a month or so , poor OC'ers some have elphida ram suppsoedly better cards but they all sucked for me

I have some other brands i'm testing not enough data on those

best bang for buck is these ones
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131696
but only if they have the newer samsung ram , i ordered 12 or so six had samsung it wil OC to 2125 and hash eth at 29.6 easily but again these cards are high volotage you cant under volt them more than 50mv
but since they are 470s they use the same power as the ref 480s with that modest undervolt and hash the same speed nearly.

Problem is how do you know what ram you will get , which is why i stick to ref 480s of the visiontek 470s 28.9 mhs on those

Thx for infos & feedback, very useful read !

np hope it helps btw made a few edits

[V@n@dis]

have a few rx 470 nitro, not too impressed with the quality. Big difference in temps between cards and 1 had dead fans on arrival.

[Gogreen]

i believe msi card rx version had slightly higher clock than saphire rx.  if you overclock your memory too high sure enough there will be problem. sammung memory good, but not high oc

[Golku]

Well Im really happy with my MSI 470

Reason is that the fans wont make much noise and also working pretty cool
it also under volts very well so the hashing/watt performance is good
only the card cant handle 2000mhz at memory

[Ambros]

I have 10 rx 470 4Gb nitro+ sapphire. Some of them have bad basic quality (60%, better than 1.5% of similar GPU's) and they run at 29.5Mhash stable because they have samsung memory.
So i would say that the real problem in my GPU's is the memory, GPU's with Heriox memory are shitty and i cannot run the higher than 27.5Mhash even though they have high ASIC quality.

[jmven]

How do you know what memory brand does a card have before buying it?, neither amazon or newegg advertise it i think, thanks

[Tmdz]

How do you know what memory brand does a card have before buying it?, neither amazon or newegg advertise it i think, thanks

You don't.

With sapphire they currently use samsung.

The best way to know which memory a manufacturer is using is by reading here and seeing what people are getting, they can and will change the memory type at times such as sapphire has done.

[reachr]

All sapphire 470 8G use samsung memory.

The fans are of poor quality but all my card can do -96 mv at core 1151 and memory 2100 so 29,5 MH

[jmven]

How do you know what memory brand does a card have before buying it?, neither amazon or newegg advertise it i think, thanks

You don't.

With sapphire they currently use samsung.

The best way to know which memory a manufacturer is using is by reading here and seeing what people are getting, they can and will change the memory type at times such as sapphire has done.

Thanks, i do have gigabyte rx480 8 gb, msi rx 480 4gb, all of them with hynix memory i think, will go for saphire. How does perform the saphire rx470 4gb (the one has only one fan)?

[m1n1ngP4d4w4n]

 

How do you know what memory brand does a card have before buying it?, neither amazon or newegg advertise it i think, thanks

You don't.

With sapphire they currently use samsung.

The best way to know which memory a manufacturer is using is by reading here and seeing what people are getting, they can and will change the memory type at times such as sapphire has done.

You can also look @ gpu reviews, often they take screenshots of GPU-Z especially in the overclocking part of the review, this way you can see the memory brand