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Title: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 14, 2017, 07:43:52 AM
I will try to maintain this page, which belongs to newbie accounts who locks their threads and will only deal via autopay.

PLEASE, DON'T FALL FOR THESE SCAMS! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE! THEY WILL SCAM YOU FOR 5$, LOGOUT AND MAKE NEW ACCOUNT!


Remember. If something seems to be too good to be true, it ain't true.
If you doubt even little bit, use Escrow. Person who declines using Escrow, can't be trusted.


Known Autopay scammers;

UPDATED 17.1.  04:09 AM

Darwin988: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=941356)
LGG4: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=894499)
Indungi: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=941998)
Kuqpeli: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=939654)
ThermalSale: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=942632)
Olofmeister: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=942630)
RicanulStore: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=942675)
Zosuda: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663111)
whitedeath: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1754908.0)

Known items Autopay scammers use:

Game CD-keys / gifts
Amazon AWS
Amazon Gift Cards
PSN / Xbox Gift Cards



You can also use OSDB (https://osdb.pw/history.html) to find if someone has scam accusation against him. (This site doesn't yet have many entries, but they are updating it with pretty good rate)


If you find someone else, post here or PM me. Lets expose all these scumbags to world! Lets make bitcointalk's Digital Goods & Exchange area great again!


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: BestWebCreator on January 14, 2017, 07:49:06 AM
Good find, I also think that mostly newbies do this kind of stuff, they hope someone will fall for this stupid trick. I will post here when I find those scammers. By the way also watch out for ebook scammers, they get one for free from torrent and than sell it for bitcoin.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 14, 2017, 07:52:53 AM
Good find, I also think that mostly newbies do this kind of stuff, they hope someone will fall for this stupid trick. I will post here when I find those scammers. By the way also watch out for ebook scammers, they get one for free from torrent and than sell it for bitcoin.

Ill keep my eyes open. Sadly newcomers and unregistered members most likely won't see this topic before its too late..

And unregistered people can't even see trust, that is bad.. There is alot ppl who haven't registered, but still buy stuff via Autopay.


Its ALWAYS newbies who make those threads. Its simply because they got nothing to lose. They don't have trust, they don't have anything. They just spam the shit out of their threads, hopefully getting couple bucks and boom. They have already profited, they can abandon that account and move on to next one.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Moritz30 on January 14, 2017, 07:59:22 AM
I will try to maintain this page, which belongs to newbie accounts who locks their threads and will only deal via autopay.

PLEASE, DON'T FALL FOR THESE SCAMS! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE! THEY WILL SCAM YOU FOR 5$, LOGOUT AND MAKE NEW ACCOUNT!


Remember. If something seems to be too good to be true, it ain't true.



Known Autopay scammers:

Darwin988: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=941356)
LGG4: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=894499)
Indungi: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=941998)
Kuqpeli: Profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=939654)



If you find someone else, post here or PM me. Lets expose all these scumbags to world! Lets make bitcointalk's Digital Goods & Exchange area great again!

Darwin988 and LGG4 were already listed as scammers on OSDB. Kuqpeli and Indungi have been added: https://osdb.pw/history.html


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 14, 2017, 08:02:14 AM
Darwin988 and LGG4 were already listed as scammers on OSDB. Kuqpeli and Indungi have been added: https://osdb.pw/history.html

I have updated OSDB to original post.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: KenR on January 14, 2017, 01:30:26 PM
This thread should be a stickied in the Digital Goods section.Good add op,please keep the main post updated.More or less,all these people seem to be alternate accounts of each other.
Have tried reporting several of them in the past,nothing works out.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Edraket31 on January 14, 2017, 02:13:00 PM
Such a mess, just ignore them guys and give a shit red tag. Because of them this forum has mixed with nonsense people who are greedy.
Hope no one would be a victim of them, here in forum think well before you trust anyone here especially newbie who would just like to convince you to lend or invest with something.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 14, 2017, 03:27:55 PM
Such a mess, just ignore them guys and give a shit red tag. Because of them this forum has mixed with nonsense people who are greedy.
Hope no one would be a victim of them, here in forum think well before you trust anyone here especially newbie who would just like to convince you to lend or invest with something.

Sadly giving red doesn't help if you're not in DT. Newbies usually don't check untrusted feedback, so they can't know if the person is really selling something or just has scam intentions.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Moritz30 on January 14, 2017, 03:29:41 PM
The problem is that people not only give negative trust for scams.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: KenR on January 14, 2017, 03:38:01 PM
The problem is that peoplepaypal not only give negative trust for scams.
True.Forum doesn't actually care if the particular service is scam or not,they leave it upo the users to decide.Social awareness about such scams is mandatory especially for newbies.
The best possible solution is,do not allow newbies to create threads in Digital Goods section.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 14, 2017, 04:18:39 PM
I have updated the list, newest one is ThermalSale.

99% sure he is alt of Darwin988.
Proof:

https://gyazo.com/36c673518e5ed799a641171b996b9dde <- ThermalSale's thread, look what payment methods he accepts.

https://gyazo.com/c6ab1939590354693bdf571c15a6fed8 <- Skype chat with Darwin988, look what payment methods he accepts.


This would be totally different if methods were like Bitcoin and Paypal, both very common. But steam cards? Nah.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: jacee on January 14, 2017, 04:36:45 PM
I've seen people who already fell for these scams attwmpts and started their scam accusation but a red paint in an account does nothin as they can create a new account and do the same thing all over again but people keep on falling for it. It's a good thing you have a lost of these people with similar pattwrns of selling and this only means that maybe they are all the same person. I wish these kinds of selling with a locked thread should be prohibitebor somewhat limited to a user.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 14, 2017, 04:40:22 PM
I've seen people who already fell for these scams attwmpts and started their scam accusation but a red paint in an account does nothin as they can create a new account and do the same thing all over again but people keep on falling for it. It's a good thing you have a lost of these people with similar pattwrns of selling and this only means that maybe they are all the same person. I wish these kinds of selling with a locked thread should be prohibitebor somewhat limited to a user.

I agree. I honestly don't understand why there is just option that you can lock your thread. If there is spam, you can always report it. Normally the "spam" is someone exposing scammers / bullshit e-books etc.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Moritz30 on January 14, 2017, 05:25:19 PM
I have some proofs of ThermalSale being a scammer. Will post soon (on mobile ATM)


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 15, 2017, 06:51:01 AM
I have some proofs of ThermalSale being a scammer. Will post soon (on mobile ATM)

Waiting your proof.

E: It looks like this thread might work. Yesterday there was only one newbie who made these kind of threads.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Moritz30 on January 15, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
ALL TIMES IN CET!

At 4 PM and 44 minutes I sent ThermalSale a PM saying I wanted to buy a gift card (obviously I didn't): https://gyazo.com/fea9eea1336b65cc0818ae119a23895e
At 4 PM and 59 minutes he sent a message quoting his vouch and escrow policy: https://gyazo.com/1bd6bd0969ab881bc307fb8e828201de
At 5 PM I wrote I wanted to pay via Steam gift card: https://gyazo.com/8817f5cbeae192170f0ef570d2352dce
At 5 PM and 6 minutes he wrote his Skype name: https://gyazo.com/18de23c763abf36bd434a55caddd82e8
I sent him a Skype request and wrote this message: https://gyazo.com/7d26d201693c4f533b09b19a5d181a2c
Now here is his Skype profile (no friends; probably new account): https://gyazo.com/15011a2c13055a4b62608cb5b68efd6e
He accepted the request.
Now here is the skype chat history: https://gyazo.com/99f1096f8d004247ecced3ce9050ff5c https://gyazo.com/409f5954f095acc78af4f3823698cd4f
After my last message he just removed me at Skype. That pretty much means he is a scammer.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 15, 2017, 07:31:04 PM
This thread has scared every newbie. Not a single locked thread today ,wohoo!

Only couple newbies with new hexpay links but without locking thread. They say they agree Escrow, we will see.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Moritz30 on January 15, 2017, 07:36:39 PM
This thread has scared every newbie. Not a single locked thread today ,wohoo!

Only couple newbies with new hexpay links but without locking thread. They say they agree Escrow, we will see.

I use selly, too but am not a scammer  ;)


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 16, 2017, 04:07:02 AM
I have added Olofmeister (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=942630) to the list. Apparently he turned out to be scammer, based on his trust and suddenly changed all his thread to be locked so nobody can warn about him.



Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 16, 2017, 04:11:46 AM
The problem is that peoplepaypal not only give negative trust for scams.
True.Forum doesn't actually care if the particular service is scam or not,they leave it upo the users to decide.Social awareness about such scams is mandatory especially for newbies.
The best possible solution is,do not allow newbies to create threads in Digital Goods section.
That is a very good idea, but change on this forum seems to be nonexistant. 

Can someone school me on what "autopay" is?


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 16, 2017, 04:13:42 AM
The problem is that peoplepaypal not only give negative trust for scams.
True.Forum doesn't actually care if the particular service is scam or not,they leave it upo the users to decide.Social awareness about such scams is mandatory especially for newbies.
The best possible solution is,do not allow newbies to create threads in Digital Goods section.
That is a very good idea, but change on this forum seems to be nonexistant.  

Can someone school me on what "autopay" is?

Its those hexpay / rckteer etc. bullshit sites where you can put anything for sale and just link those to this forum so you don't have to be in contact with buyer.

That makes scamming easy. Just make thread with full of those links, lock it and spam bump.

E: Okay 3 new names made it to the list..


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 17, 2017, 04:07:28 AM
Lets bring it up, seems like someone got scammed by one of those guys..


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: R00TC0IN on January 17, 2017, 04:25:13 AM
Hi guys.

Don't want to be a part pooper but what about the "real" sellers?

I have only been here a short time but before I joined I had a clear plan on what I was going to sell.

I had written a custom Lending bot for the Poloniex plaform and a trading bot both written in Python.

So I made my post which can be seen here. (Note its not locked or self moderated)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1744380.0

And I have had some good feedback from buyers.  I do have a auto buy link there for when I am offline if a member wants to buy it.
But as you will see from my post its very very hard to get a good reputation.

Some members automatically hit that red trust button without ANY indication that a service is a scam or the people behind it are scammers, This is tarring everyone who signs up with the same brush and to be honest can be quite damaging to the community. I notice that unless you have a hero or high ranking account people just tar all the "noobs" with the same brush.

How can a community and new ideas prosper when they get shot down in flames or get tagged red trust right from the offset?

I do see there are many scams here on the forum and many ponzi fraudsters out there preying on the new members here or taking advantage of them by offering all kinds of crazy doublers ect ect

I hope in time the community can come up with a solution to this major issue that the forum is facing because if we don't find a solution it will tarnish the reputation of good things from the community.

Cheers guys

Rootcoin


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Satosher on January 17, 2017, 04:28:22 AM
*snip*

I don't see problem here cause your thread is not locked. Also there is proof of you giving vouch copy to trusted member, which always indicates that the sellers is pretty legit guy, cause he is willing to show that his product is real and not just some random nonsense.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Huge Black Woman on January 17, 2017, 04:32:22 AM
OP, you on point.  I don' ezactly know how these dirt encrusted, banana eatin' chimps find this forum.  They must be signs all over tha bodegas in S. America an' the dam fruit stands in Africa, jist invitin' scammers ta here.  How they fin' out thet scams is allowed up in here?  They must be signs all ova tha world.  Come to BCT an' scam.

I thank newbs ought not ta be allowed ta lock up the threads an' all that baloney shootin' behavio'.  But it seem like they ain't never gon' change.

You go to any otha site, any forum, and they ban yo ass quicker than a fornicatin' bunny rabbit in heat.  This tha only forum thet I seen thet allows scams.  Its a strange ass worl' we livin' in.


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: R00TC0IN on January 17, 2017, 04:33:13 AM
*snip*

I don't see problem here cause your thread is not locked. Also there is proof of you giving vouch copy to trusted member, which always indicates that the sellers is pretty legit guy, cause he is willing to show that his product is real and not just some random nonsense.


Thanks.

Believe me its been hard to come here with a new idea and product just because of all the issues raised in this topic regarding scams and autobuy nonsense  I was even threatened to hand over the bot or face a barage of red trusts by some members (Long standing with GOOD reputation) So you can see how it can be hard for some people starting out get caught up because of the hypes of scammers and that mind set of "everything new must be a scam"

Root Coin


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: R00TC0IN on January 17, 2017, 04:39:47 AM
You go to any otha site, any forum, and they ban yo ass quicker than a fornicatin' bunny rabbit in heat.  This tha only forum thet I seen thet allows scams.  Its a strange ass worl' we livin' in.

Unless its a massive honeypot. :)


Title: Re: Scam accusation against EVERYONE who locks their thread and uses only autopay
Post by: Moritz30 on January 17, 2017, 05:15:21 AM
I wouldn't just newbies disallow locking theeads. I would disallow anyone locking their threads and create a report in order to get it locked were the staff also deletes all buy links.