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Hey guys,

I see every day more and more of these threads asking where to invest BTC emerges. This means people have liquid assets, lots of BTC laying around and nothing legit and real to invest. I m not talking about HYIP and similar scam BS where they promise 3% per day. I m talking about real investments assets, comparable to fiat money options bringing something manageable like 3% a year. There re very few of those.

Is it because crypto owners have become so spoiled and anything below 10% per month is not acceptable to them due to past pumps and dumps of different crypto assets? Is it because of legal issues obtaining BTC? Is it because investment companies do not need money or do not want to tap into this market?

The truth is PEOPLE HAVE GOT MONEY and do not know what to do with it. With fiat, we d have tons of different funds, advisers, firms and so on, LEGIT companies helping you out to invest and differentiate your risk for a fee. True, earning re much more modest compared to yield we ve had in crypto so far. But I always choose sustainability over easy money.

So, what s up? Is crypto community so weak and uninterested to make money?

I think there are so many bitcoin investment threads but in reality there only legit investment site is because the people in this community are having a hard time whom to trust! I mean majority of use experienced being scammed so it's hard for us to invest again because we are afraid that we might get scam again!

Most of the bitcoin related businesses are "out of the law" and you have to trust  the business owner.
There`s no administration that regulates these businesses and there`s no guarantee tha they will keep their promises.This is the main reason,i guess.
Anyway,bitcoin is an anti-government currency and we can`t rely on legislation and governmnent clerks.

This problem about the investment business I ever think because bitcoin system works, the legitimate investment business in crypto is almost null, honestly legitimate investment business related to law, it's connected to government, then centralized. Can't be denied.

If you want a real business why not have some equity in an exchange like https://lykke.com/city/

Yes using btc

It's regulated and lead by a proven entrepreneur (founder of Oanda

Bitcoin is a store of value, and a payment method. Gold is a store of value, but nobody asks where you can invest gold. You can purchase an asset using Bitcoin, and you can expect the asset to increase so that you will make a profit when you sell the asset. It is likely that the asset will be valued in some fiat currency, and that you would probably have been better off by keeping the Bitcoin, and letting it appreciate.

If you are considering lending bitcoin to receive interest payments, then you have to stop and think of the ways the borrower could use the Bitcoin to generate income to pay the interest.

This is part of the answer. I agreee. I personally see BTC as store of value, not as a medium of exchange. However, at least 50% of holders see it as a currency, as something which might become form of money in the future. This means we have what, $8 billion waiting to be invested in some form. How is it possible nobody s seriously interested in tapping into that potential?

This is so fucking true xD

Well right now I just hold but... i agree. I got tons of money and I don't know what to do with it.
I'd love to have the option of a safe investment, with low rentability no problem.
But there is nearly nothing, 3% a year seems like impossible with btc xD

This is soooo true! Many people don't realize, that keeping bitcoin is already a some kind of investment.
The truth behing the fact why there is so many threads like this, is because people are greedy and they want to become millionaires within few months. Or at least they think there is some kind of magic which can multiply their money. That is also a main reason why so many people are victims of scams.

beside that, the investment business itself have got scammed in many times and they lie to people that they are really recommended program. if there is any investment business that really good and recommended program, i am sure that people will make investing in that programs. with  many people knows about bitcoin, i think they will use bitcoin as their real investment.

if I am not mistaken, the ones who made that threads were newbie or jr. member. I think they are new on bitcoin world, so it is okay to ask actually, but too many related threads aren't good. I think even people give some advice, they just cannot apply it, or even do not have knowledge how to apply.

It is not who to trust but many bitcoin ventures are ending as scam due to the anonymous feature that were taken advantage by this investment company.  If we want a legit one many investment requires us not to invest in Bitcoin but rather in fiat money or they need our identity for KYC purposes which many of bitcoin holder doesn't like. So at the end only a handful legit investment serve as an option for bitcoin holder.

find an investment that is worth risking an asset that experienced exponential growth over the last year is hard

of course there must be options, but I think people need to find their own answers, so topics about investments are kinda useless

nope. the crypto community is very super interested in stealing money from each other by pretending to offer investments. it's filled with gullible kids and long term internet scum. that's a potent combination.

;D Yeah, because it's the easiest and the quickest way how to get some coins to your pocket. ;-))))
The bad thing is, that it results that almost verey bitcoin user has been scammed already.. it doesn't create a nice picture about bitcoin world. :P

I believe the word "spoiled" is really the best for it and you hit it right. Look how it gone up to a whooping almost a thousand. So why should I take that 3 percent a year if I can do more than that.
Let us face it. This investment industry should not be mimicking how the banks do it. Giving just a little percentage to people when all of them are going to places they want because of how large they can get by investing our own money that is kept there.
There should be something different to make it inviting to people and still I dont see it. It is better to just put it in a gambling site investment than those who offers sure but low.

On these threads I saw most of the people are suggesting for to start trade and some of them are suggesting to invest in ICOs and some else. These options are really lesser because most of the people here are doing that less investment and in these options the investors are earning a good amount of money just like me I am investing only in trade and ICOs and having some bitcoins holded and only with these options I am earning a good income which is enough for me.

Not all coin projects are fail, their are some coins which are  worthy to invest for long time and you can earn good returns, like ICN, GNT, DECENT this are some coins which are worthy in long time.

Well personally if i have like tons of money, i would rather be like you, picking up stability over easy money.

But due to the funds i have now is less < $100,000, i will prefer to go and invest in ico and trade altcoins, in that way i can only reach my $100,000 fast. As if i get $100,000, i would put in bank or something, even with 6% per anum, 0.5% per month, i am good with it because

$100,000 * 0.5% = $500 / month, in my country is like 2K, which is almost a salary of a normal employee.

I don't plan to work full time and under some people because it is really suffer as i doesn't have any free time.

That's why i m learning all the thing like how to trade altcoins, check the genuine and legal of a project, as i have only $1000 now, i will need to x 100 to reach my target, therefore, going pump and dump and yolo crypto assets is my way to reach the goal :)

Nobody can be trusted with money and if you are dreaming about making money passively handing over your money to third party, than that will not be sustainable. They will be either greedy or their strategy may fail at some point so they can't send out profit, ultimately they will have no choice rather than running away with what is left.

Best way is to learn crypto trading and start making some profit out of your bitcoin rather than trusting any third party/person.

People hold their BTC's and while waiting for BTC price to go up they want to get more, that's why there are so many where to invest threads. The problem is Bitcoin still not recognized by governments and if you lose it legal process would be tough. I don't think return rates are the biggest problem. For investors trust is the main problem. People had hard times with banks and governments before, they don't want to lose their precious coins to some fund which doesn't have any legal status. For funding companies Bitcoin is still too volatile, they can't offer big returns unless they are ponzi schemes. I think the market is still fairly new and open for expanding. We need to see more real/legit funding companies.

actually i believe there are lots of people with very small amount of bitcoin they got from faucets or signature campaigns,... and they all want to become millionaires so they look for that kind of investment.

and besides when you want to invest, you invest in a business. and as long as you can find a legit business you can make profit.
for instance bitmixer.io which is the oldest business that i know of apart from exchanges used to accept investments.

We would really hesitate to invest our bitcoin nowadays because we all know there are really lots of scam investments out there and if you are careless enough you will surely lose your bitcoin in an instant. Yeah,bitcoin is already considered as an investment and 3% is just too small when we are seeing on the price movement of bitcoin in a year.

have you ever thought about this possibility that maybe people are not so willing to share their secret investment ways to make money, in other words when something works for them they don't share it to keep it all to themselves.
or maybe they have nothing at all!

Most of what we have right now are scam sites.

In how I see it, legal investing firms are not going to touch bitcoin market yet. It is still too risky to open investment portfolio that involves bitcoin. Some factors that add to the risk are bitcoin volatility, legality , adoption and scalability. Unless these issues are properly addressed, we will not see any bloom in investment firms throwing their money in bitcoin.

Bitcoin does not have much credibility invested floor, most of the investment floor is HYIP and ponzi
it's not really safe
you can count on a certain number of investment floor
but that does not mean that it is always safe
someday, it will scam

I am agree. There are so many scammers, so many invitations to make some easy money without doing almost nothing on the Internet. People are just going crazy from all this suggestions and there is no trust at all here. I made my choice about investment - I make bitcoins and put some on side for the future.

Thanks for bringing this important topic on the board. I personally think that it's the matter of evolution and bitcoin is still in user base phase where the intention or the focus in on obtaining more users (looking at macro level) so indirectly the price volatility is promoting some opportunities in trading and hence users are preferring trading these days as compared to other options and thus there is not actual crypto economy yet which can facilitate businesses wholly based on bitcoin but over the period of time, we will see different picture IMO.

That's it!
Most of the possibilities which were/are given to invest your precious bitcoins are with 99% certainty scams!
ICOs, cloud mining, loaning platforms and so on!
I can only repeat what I always say to my closest friends who bought some bitcoins after some while: "Bitcoin itself is your investment! Check it characteristics and it's infrastructure and then you know it!"
Why you wanna risk even more when BTC already is huge risk?!

OP, you make a bloody good point... I wanted to secure some of my bitcoins in some "low risk" investment, and the best I could find,

was "Asmoney" which gave me a little interest on idle bitcoins, like bank interest.  ::) {Disclaimer : I only dumped a small amount

there, as a test... and I got a little bit of interest} We want our bitcoins to work for us, without binding them to long-term investments.

If we reach Moon, it should be available at a drop of a Dime.  ;D

it's very simple. to 'invest' you have to hand over control of your coins. going on the previous track record of the bitcoin community, there's virtually no one who won't try to steal them from you.

if there was a legit way of doing it then we'd see the coinbases of this world offering it. there isn't. so they don't.

It is very obvious there are going to be lesser options to invest in bitcoin because it is such a new concept besides with the possibility of earning big by just holding bitcoin no one want to have their coins tied to investments that produce lets say 5% per year when you can generate more by just holding bitcoin.

That is because if there was a legit solution that popped, there would be so many people flooding it that it would be full in a matter of hours. There is solutions but we simply do not see them.

Problem with open source communities, you asked some questions and answered them yourself, you need to see the successful businesses to follow their example, see how banks are good with earning a high percentage on their money? it's because they lend money with a decent interest rate.
If people stop being greedy and enter lending area with low interest expectation they'd earn much more than just holding coins.

amen. the appetite for it is massive. anyone offering it would find themselves in change of a few hundred thousand btc in a few days. then they'd probably crack up with the responsibility.

I totally agree with you that the main problem is TRUST, most of the transactions in crypto space are faceless and when you have bad experience, you are likely to be critical of any other opportunity.

I don't believe people are greedy for me a good ROI in a trusted company is enough for me because I prefer a sustainable growth.

People coming out to source for investment need to do more to convince potential investors their business is real and can be trusted

So general conclusion is there re no investments cause there re too many scammers and people do not trust each other cause of that.

Well, then we need more policing and regulation which is something crypto s designed to avoid.

that still wouldn't stop losses. witness the quagmire that is mt gox's afterlife. if the coins are gone then all people are left with are liabilities.

what it needs for companies that have already earned trust to offer something. i'm sure they'd love to but there doesn't appear to be any way to do it right now.

I doubt you will find a serious investment opportunity here. It is just not done that way. If you want to actually invest (in the USA) you will want to look into investment portals like https://circleup.com/ . If you are "investing" in anything other than a licensed business then you are just kidding yourself.  

You will find many investment sites here who will promise you to give the best returns but the fact is we are not sure where they will follow their promises in long run or not as everyone has got scammed in the past by investing in those sites as majority of them ran away with the funds of people giving nothing in return so people have fear of loosing their investments if they choose a wrong place to invest.

i wonder if any of these places come up with any type of return.

the whole unicorn era seems to have bred the expectation of taking massive amounts of vc money and ending up with squat very rapidly. i hope that doesn't filter down to the little guys in the same way.

Good point. Just because it's a legal/legit business does not make it a good idea. The whole skill in investing is finding capable people with good ideas. There is no short cut for due diligence.

I think there are so many threads asking for btc investment advice because people are simply too greedy.
They already have a good investment, the bitcoin. But that does not seem to be enough, it has to be more. A free advice to generate more profit without having to lift a finger.
The world does not work this way.
And the answer to the question why there are few real investment options is the fact that bitcoin already is a good investment.
Every business you put your coins in would have to earn first the amount that comes from the bitcoin price increase during the time of the investment.
And then put some interets on the top of that.
A hard to reach goal for most companies.

The growth of bitcoin is so fast, and bitcoin user demands on higher profit because if the profit is too low, they prefer invest in fiat because it is more safe and secure, when you invest in bitcoin the risk of being scammed is high, so the user expecting a high return and from my experience the legitimate site for investing bitcoin is little because most of the investment are scammed

Y'all don't hafta invest yo bitcoins.  Why don't nobody git this simple fact??  If you want ta invest inna stock market, ya jist use up yo fiat money.  Bitcoin itself is an investment, an the OP here sayed it himsef.  All y'all got up in this piece is scambolas, the HYIPs and assorted nonsense.  Don't make no sense ta me.

Also, I do not buy that line "Bitcoin s investment by itself". If this is the case, there s no growth of crypto economy and consequently no change in price based on anything else but speculations. We do not need that.

well whether you an i like it or not, bitcoin is an investment and the investment side of it is the biggest. much bigger than bitcoin being a currency. and as much as i like it to change, that is how things work now.

and by the way i always see you create at least a couple of investment topics and participate in more, do you yourself have anything to share with us?

I'm totally with you. Utility is a strong foundation for the BTC economy. Speculation provides the weakest support.

I see no reason why the returns of an investment with Bitcoin or any other crypto would be higher then with fiat. The risk is potentially higher since one can expect less experience with Bitcoin investing. People will only invest money if the are promised a bigger return and there are people promising that. But since this is almost not manageable you can assume it is a scam or high risk. I fell like solid ideas with low risk just have not enough customers, since they prefer to dream big and fail, rather then invest wisely and make a profit, even if it is just a small one.

exactly. I think so. I also want to inbest, but I find it difficult to choose a trusted company. many people offer high profit, but high profit does not guarantee that it is trusted.

or probably these people and I just do not have knowledge to know the trusted investments and scam one.

Look up the term ICO. That's where the big time players invest with Bitcoin.

And how many of those ICO make a solid long term profit? I have heard of many scams. Sure you might get lucky and sell at the right time during an pump and dump, but i would consider this more gambling then investing.

95% of those re total and utter junk. An evolution of crowdfunding options with shiny website and offering nothing. I m more interested in why REAL established businesses do not go for BTC financing.
FFS, there s a guy here on the forum who sells shares of his pig farm and there was another one from Russia who offered a cut in some kind of fishing operation.

i would only invest in mining at present, it has the best compromise between risk and reward, you keep your money investment(80% of it atcually) and you earn daily

i'm not talking about cloud, you need to buy your own rig and mine altcoin, not bitcoin, you can also buy directly some new coin, but it's far more risk unless you are a part of a group of whale that pump those scamcoin...

going down the ICO path is a very bad decision if you ask me, it has high risk and even if you make it the reward is not worth it.

the only thing that I have seen to be a good investment all these years have been trading. whether it is trading bitcoin (short or long) or it is trading altcoins short term, it has been a good way to make some profit based on your experience in this market.

the altcoin mining that Amph suggests is also a good option and I have been thinking about it myself but I am always afraid of the electric bill that I am going to get based on the calculations that I have made.

Yes, this is solid. If you know what to do, alts can still generate a nice profits. If you do not know what to do, lots of guides about this around, especially on Youtube.

I am not a fan of ICOs  either, but I have to say that in case of the most popular and hyped ICOs there is high chance of gaining profits.
It is high risk high reward kind of thing. All you have to do is pick ICO very carefully, invest only big projects backed by well known developers.
ICONOMI was good project to invest and now I think Qtum has the chance to be the biggest project on 2017, at least so far.

What kind of business could be expected to yield reasonable ROI in bitcoin?
The main problem is the highly volatile exchange rate. Typical "real economy" businesses need your investment to buy manufacturing equipment and raw goods, which are both typically paid for and evaluated in fiat currencies. They produce goods or services which are also either sold for fiat money, or at least there is sufficient market pressure to adjust the bitcoin price so that its value in $ or € stays more or less constant.
For example, if you were looking for server hosting, the companies offering bitcoin as a payment option can't really make their prices much higher than comparable companies who take fiat money. So when the exchange rate goes up by 10 percent within a month, they would need to reduce their hosting fees by 10 percent to stay competitive.
Unless the business model has very moderate capital investment requirements and very limited costs for raw goods, it's hard to make it an attractive investment.
Businesses that could work are mostly using just digital infrastructure and consume and produce digital goods, for example exchanges, mining operations, gambling sites. Incidentally, those kinds of businesses have actually been relatively successful in the bitcoin economy. However, even those businesses have fixed costs (server rental and/or energy, employee wages) so they need real growth to generate stable profits.

If you look at a traditional share model where shares are freely traded, you need to consider that shares are typically evaluated based on two factors: Value of the actual assets belonging to the business, and expected future dividends. If the value of the assets is very low, the value of your share will almost exclusively depend on the expected future dividends, and this can fluctuate significantly, which hinders easy trading.

Onkel Paul

You mean where they gamble with their bitcoins!!
There's nothing wrnong with that by the way. But how many of those ICOs are just spure scams, p&d which favour the inner circle of issuers, devs and their early backers who often are already rich!
The majority of these ICO participants is losing it's money regularly!!
Just have a look at the charts of these altcoins. Pump and dump, mostly triggered by spreaded rumors or some FUD news without considering the technology it's features, and then they disappear or become irrelevant extremely fast.
Only a handful of coins may have some potential for future existence right now.A handful of more than a thousand!
So good luck with your "investing" as you call it here! I would call it short term high risk speculating, riding the wave before it's going down.

Almost all of them are scambags they promise you everything but end up offering you nothing so I understand his precautionary measure to put it up for deliberations before taking a step. Investing in those websites have left many ripped off in the past and I've read countless threads about them in this forum so I will advice that you get into the nitty gritty about the potential of investment options first before you make a step.

Crypto community is not weak. But the real thing is that big investors an those who are earning huge in the bitcoin industry doesnt give away their secrets like posting it in this forum, they are just quiet and busy earning more money via bitcoins. For me cryptocurrency is the best deal, with only a few cents worth of bitcoin and with long term trading for about 1 to 2 months it become a hundred box without even constantly checking the trading site. Profit is here in cryptocurrency but real investment is not posted in this thread.

People must be preparing for the their future or just want to earn more money so they are trying to know where to invest besides bitcoin. We all know holding bitcoin itself can be an investment. 

The rest of us suggested gambling sites and of course it can be a perfect one but not safe still like the rest of investment there are risk. The only real investment i can suggest though is that invest to real altcoin that grow.

We have to be selective in choosing investments, because an awful lot of investment ponzi scheme that uses the system. I recommend to investment to where we really know and has a good reputation. in this forum as well as many investment options available.

I think there should be more than one investments because even genuine investments might not prove successful for any reason so to bypass such risk I think it's important to diversify the risk among various small investments instead of single huge investment. A deep research is must especially when there are financial matters.

It is true that the most of the bitcoin community think that there is no investmments because the internet is filled with scams and people trying to make free money, so I do defintly agree with you on making some poices and rules so that we can have more trust in the more true invesments company because right now they are having some trust problems.

I think the problem is there is not a legit solution, because I cannot think of an instance in which a business did not benefit from having an abundance of new capital that comes from their investors and using that capital to grow their business.

there are many forms of investment
however, there is a form you need to stay away, that is HYIP or Ponzi, this is a form of fraud
I think trade is a safe form of investment, you should invest in the trade

Because there are people like yourself trying to feed false information to the new comers, or only option left to take is to stay on top of the pyramid and let others do the works and you just be the only or one among a few with the real benefits.

It was just hard for people to trust bitcoin investment because they don't know if it will stay or not ! like for example let say I have 5 bitcoins and I want to liquidate it and invest it to an investment program ! The Investment program looks and feels legit they also have legal papers but given the fact that bitcoin is anonymous  I don't know if 5 bitcoins is worth risking at all  ! not that I am not interested to make money but I just want to make my money safe and If I want to invest it to a "legal investments" I am gonna preferred to convert it to cash and invest it to a legit company that established already for over 50 years or more so I am not gonna afraid to lose my money and earn money at the same time and besides owning a bitcoin is investment of itself  :) .

Real investment options are ICO investment, mining investement, trading investement, also sportsbook arbitrage and poker can be seemed as investement. Most of investment programs are scams, they want to steal our bitcoins, we need to be more careful and cautious to invest them, most of them are MLM scams, MMM ponzi scam, and HYIP scams. Never invest money there.

Well, I m sure there re people here able to invest 100 or 200 BTC to something interesting, profitable and safe. These people re not big investors but they re not small either. If I were in any other FIAT supported industry  in and of developed countries, I d be able to find a consultant presenting me with at least dozen interesting projects, from solar energy, waste management, real estate development, agriculture, etc. Nobody goes around in those industries saying, "I ve got money, what to do?". Only here people have nobody to turn to. Do you know any crypto investment consulting firm? No, there re not any, at least legit ones. Why? Cause there re few legit investment options. Why? Cause everything is a scam in crypto. Why? Cause there s no regulation and regulation we dont want. A vicious circle, if u ask me.

100btc investor is a big one, I think. As for investments, I think the reason there are not many options so far is time. Cryptocurrencies are comparably new and mostly companies don't accept them yes as an investment. However, investing in casinos is very popular if we take btc. And it is not a scam, it is just about luck in many ways.

Diversifying is good, but where? There are not enough investment options to begin with to try to diversify your portfolio, that is the biggest problem for those that want decent returns on their investments.

Cryptocurrencies are something new to the world and companies do not want to risk putting their money into something that people do not need right now, I mean most people don’t know what bitcoin is and they are used to using fiat and it is going to be hard to change that idea.

So, finding some legit and a profitable investment site is hard they exist I am not saying that there is none but the best way to make profit out of the bitcoin is to invest in casinos but like you said it involves luck so it is risky and if you want to make easy fast money there has to be risk involved.

Could be because it's very easy for these so called companies to disappear into thin air? I live in a country where a big scam bursts every few years or so. Heck, even legit insurance companies registered with the government. Just like the educational plan my mom bought for me, never got to using it. It's not that I'm not looking for somewhere to invest in but I'm quite skeptical of most I come across. For example my cousin was asking me to try out btcriver.com. I said I would but have't registered yet. Has anyone here tried it? You think it can be trusted?

I'm earning little but I currently prefer just working for btc and holding on to it.

It depends from forum to forum, most money making forums where I have lurked have separate podforums, like VIP/EXEC parts which newbies can't see, there you're hanging out with people who are 5+ years on the forum and everything works like a huge family, so it's much easier to invest/offer a project then here, on this forum - at least thats my experience from the past few weeks since I'm here.

I wouldn't trust any doubling site, sooner or later you will see it is a scam. The site is still quite new ("ONLINE SINCE JANUARY 10TH, 2017"), so you can try your luck and try to gain some extra coins, but you can't really know if (when) they close door and fly away with all your money.
I completely agree what you said in the end - the safest way to earn some coins is to work and get them as a payment. 8)

My cousin never stop asking me about it. Maybe I'll try with whatever I'll earn this week. The thing with Ponzis is that if you were early enough you can actually get a profit. If you joined just before the cards fall though...

Ive heard some people do make money on this on which they usually join on the first launch and just making earn and run style i dont know if this really works because i believe those hyips doesnt last long enough to get you out with your money thats why i dont believe on this things after ive been scammed on this many times.

We cant just give our money to them. We make sure we wont lose our investment thats why few people who invest. Everyday i saw many complains that they were scammed by hyip ponzi sites. You cant blame us why we're so selective on where investments we put our money at.

I dont blame anyone. What I ask is why there s not more legit supply of good investment opportunities, to put it that way.

That is true, right in the beginning, you can make a very nice profit, but the thing is, you never know when they close the business, so you can always loose much more. And the other thing is, that when you use these sites, you support the scammers as well, so personally I try to avoid services like these.

It seems the situation has not improved yet. I still can find much more topics where people offer money compared to topics where you can invest your BTC, at least if you exclude shady doublers, gambling and similar threads. Are we that lethargic people?

There are some good investment opportunities to be found on this forum, but usually not in one of these general threads like you mention in the OP.

Take Crypto-Games for example, an investor is posting his progress on a thread in the Securities section of the forum and has been doing so since February 2017.
Since then he has earned a total profit of +27.96% in BTC on his investment, turned 1 BTC into 1.279598 BTC.

Check out the thread here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1796062.0

I'm sure that there are even more threads scattered around the forum listing some profitable and relatively safe investments, you just have to know where to look for them.

Thx, but I simply do not feel sending money where I do not control my private keys.

What do you guys think about casino bankroll investments? Am I too paranoid?