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Title: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: evolve on April 15, 2013, 03:38:12 PM
I have all my current bids set at $40 and below, with my lowest bid set at $5.  Wouldn't be surprised to see all of them filled by the end of the month...

Do you have bids set in place for a crash? If so, where at, and when do you believe they will get filled?


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: zoolander on April 15, 2013, 03:46:33 PM
I have all my current bids set at $40 and below, with my lowest bid set at $5.  Wouldn't be surprised to see all of them filled by the end of the month...

Do you have bids set in place for a crash? If so, where at, and when do you believe they will get filled?

Similar, starting at $50 - though I might do a bit of tweaking.

I think I might start seeing them filled from the end of this week onwards, but very hard to estimate time frames at the moment.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: webchris on April 15, 2013, 03:48:53 PM
I too am putting in low bids, but I'm not expecting the price to drop that drastically. I really hope to see the price stabilize a bit in this range and then start to slowly pick back up at a more moderate rate with all the new money constantly coming in and burned speculators getting out at break even.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: randrace on April 15, 2013, 03:55:14 PM
Same. But my bids are 60 and up.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: aurora on April 15, 2013, 03:56:29 PM
Personally , i never set bids for future crash. You never know how low it'll go. You gambling, folks


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: BitcoinAshley on April 15, 2013, 03:58:57 PM
I always have low bid orders. Right now they're spread from $0.50 to $50 ;-) There have been enough flash crashes recently that it's worth having some fiat ready to catch the falling knife.

That being said, ain't no crash coming. We already crashed, and are due for a correction  8)


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: evolve on April 15, 2013, 05:11:34 PM
Personally , i never set bids for future crash. You never know how low it'll go.

That's why you set staggered buy orders all the way down...you don't know how low it will go or where it will settle, but you can lower your cost basis quite a bit and possibly profit on the bounce (or by holding mid to long term depending on your own investment strategy).


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: ElectricMucus on April 15, 2013, 05:23:05 PM
I don't leave my orders in there for too long unless I know for certain it will be filled.
Right now I have no orders pending, although I own a few altcoins.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: XXthetimeisnowXX on April 15, 2013, 06:02:44 PM
Personally , i never set bids for future crash. You never know how low it'll go.

That's why you set staggered buy orders all the way down...you don't know how low it will go or where it will settle, but you can lower your cost basis quite a bit and possibly profit on the bounce (or by holding mid to long term depending on your own investment strategy).

so your not a bear your a bounce. all you want is to make money off the bounce. a bear want it to go down and down and down. well you would spend alot of money on eventualy.000000000000000001 penny per bit. no bear is a true bear they are a bounce. they want to buy cheep coins and when they go UP they will profit. well. so. a bounce hugh. not a bear a bounce.  8)


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: evolve on April 15, 2013, 06:06:52 PM
No, I am a bear because I believe the market is going downwards.

The term bear has nothing to do with "want". (don't feel bad, most of the true believers here don't know/understand that either, and frequently misuse the term.)

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Definition of 'Bear'
An investor who believes that a particular security or market is headed downward. Bears attempt to profit from a decline in prices. Bears are generally pessimistic about the state of a given market.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bear.asp


So many investment terms are misused on this forum.  :-\


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: chiropteran on April 15, 2013, 06:12:09 PM
I think the existence of these sorts of threads proves that there won't be a crash.  Everyone is loving the idea of buying cheap bitcoins, which means they won't actually fall that cheap.  There is always someone else with "low" bid orders $20 above yours.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: Brushan on April 15, 2013, 06:16:22 PM
For every day that goes after the correction it is looking more and more like it will behave like in 2011. Most probably bottom will be alot higher than 2011 but i think we'll see lower prices.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: evolve on April 15, 2013, 06:17:32 PM
Everyone is loving the idea of buying cheap bitcoins, which means they won't actually fall that cheap.  There is always someone else with "low" bid orders $20 above yours.

Until investor confidence gets shaken.

If people no longer think they can sell for a higher price, they wont buy in. We are in a declining market now, and less people are going to be willing to buy in the further down this thing goes.

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=10&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&

The coins that were "cheap" a week ago are now looking pretty expensive...


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: mgio on April 15, 2013, 06:18:21 PM
I think the existence of these sorts of threads proves that there won't be a crash.  Everyone is loving the idea of buying cheap bitcoins, which means they won't actually fall that cheap.  There is always someone else with "low" bid orders $20 above yours.


Everybody loves cheap bitcoins here because everyone here loves bitcoins! This is the bitcoin forum. You are going to get a disproportionately high amount of bitcoins lovers here.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: RodeoX on April 15, 2013, 06:20:58 PM
I would add that some of us do not care about "investing" in bitcoin. For me it is a way to safely, quickly and cheaply send money. I will continue to use it whatever the price. 


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: Qoheleth on April 15, 2013, 06:23:33 PM
I don't place standing limit orders, because the code I've written to support them isn't ready for prime time yet.

But if you include "bids that a bot will place as soon as the price falls sufficiently", I'm also bidding all the way down to $5 (after that, depending on how the price got there it's possible I run out of dry powder and have to stop temporarily).

I have no idea when they'll be filled, if ever. I'm no good at predicting the moves of this market.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: evolve on April 15, 2013, 06:23:57 PM
I would add that some of us do not care about "investing" in bitcoin.

Then the speculation subforum is a strange place for you/those people to be posting...this subforum is specifically for price talk as it relates to trading/investing.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: aurora on April 15, 2013, 06:33:50 PM
Personally , i never set bids for future crash. You never know how low it'll go.

That's why you set staggered buy orders all the way down...you don't know how low it will go or where it will settle, but you can lower your cost basis quite a bit and possibly profit on the bounce (or by holding mid to long term depending on your own investment strategy).
your system wont work if it crashes big time


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: RodeoX on April 15, 2013, 06:38:04 PM
I would add that some of us do not care about "investing" in bitcoin.

Then the speculation subforum is a strange place for you/those people to be posting...this subforum is specifically for price talk as it relates to trading/investing.
Fair enough. And I'm not against speculation. I like how you can do anything with BTC that can be done with fiat, and more. I was just adding that the bitcoin economy has become complex and so reading sentiment is also complex.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: BubbleBoy on April 15, 2013, 06:42:26 PM
I would add that some of us do not care about "investing" in bitcoin. For me it is a way to safely, quickly and cheaply send money. I will continue to use it whatever the price. 

Yeah, but why not play the market like a boss and earn 20-30x your money in a few months span ? Before you burn me at the stake as an evil speculator, realize that such actions help stabilize the price, buy when it's cheap and sell on the tip of bubble. People playing the bubble are preventing it from happening.

So it's not the cold blooded speculators that ruin the bitcoin market, looking for a short time profit. It's the greed of long term bulls: "there's a limited amount of bitcoins so if I get in early I will be RICHER THAN GEORGE FUCKING SOROS !". Such stupidity attracts sharks like a bloody fresh kill, and they stabilize the market back by feasting on the dumb money. Without the long bulls and the "store of wealth" promise (an economic impossibility), there would be no speculation and BTC price will stay rock solid.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: Malawi on April 15, 2013, 07:04:40 PM
+1 last poster.

It's sound advice to put in at least one high sell order and one low buy order if you have sufficient founds. The prices fluctuate quite a bit every day, Why not be open for selling a few at 150 and buying at 50 (Or whatever number you see fit)?

Myself - I dont have enough founds for that sort of stuff, but find it entertaining to follow the upps and downs.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: dontek on April 15, 2013, 07:11:01 PM
Well shit. I guess the other day I placed an order if it went to $85 and apparently it did and I forgot I had the bid standing. Welp, I now own some more bitcoin. Hopefully it wasn't a stupid purchase and the price goes up a little bit more. I don't think we're done with teh high volitality quite yet so if they hit $100 again, I'm dumping and holding until the price dips down again. Stupid move on my behalf not paying attention to open orders.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: Malawi on April 15, 2013, 07:57:20 PM
Well shit. I guess the other day I placed an order if it went to $85 and apparently it did and I forgot I had the bid standing. Welp, I now own some more bitcoin. Hopefully it wasn't a stupid purchase and the price goes up a little bit more. I don't think we're done with teh high volitality quite yet so if they hit $100 again, I'm dumping and holding until the price dips down again. Stupid move on my behalf not paying attention to open orders.

Even though the market is heading downwards, there are huge swings. I'm sure you'we got your money back as the market is hovering just below 99 ATM.


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: evolve on April 15, 2013, 08:54:43 PM
your system wont work if it crashes big time

The orders are much heavier at the bottom in singles than they are at the top, if it crashes hard my cost basis will be low enough to profit on the bounce (or at the worse case, I have to carry a few BTC for the mid term).


Title: Re: Low bid orders and preparing for a crash (again).
Post by: flaab on April 15, 2013, 09:24:53 PM
I have all my current bids set at $40 and below, with my lowest bid set at $5.  Wouldn't be surprised to see all of them filled by the end of the month...

Do you have bids set in place for a crash? If so, where at, and when do you believe they will get filled?
I have at 5.01