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Here is a interesting, hypothetical situation. What will you do if there is a MLM scam going on and it is in early stage. It is assuring 10% monthly return in bitcoins (of course it has that referral bonus part as well but it is optional, you don't need referral as you are getting 10% on your investment.).  B'cause of it's early stage, people are investing happily and getting returns monthly. In short equation of incoming source money > outgoing money. By looking at situation, let's say this scam/scheme will go on two more year.   There are some people who rip benefits from these kind of scams/schemes as they invest very early and in large chunk.

Will you invest in such scheme well before it vanishes with bitcoins/money?

imo if you knowingly take part in a scam that dupes others from their money they have put in then you are no better than the person who started the scam. Its still scamming others and worse since you know your doing it.  Chances are even if you know its a scam you arent going to get out very easily with a profit anyways but i for one wouldn't entertain it at all.

Of course not. I am not a greedy money hunter that does invest into something when I know it's an obvious scam. First reason is because I don't want to support any scammers, and second, I don't want to contribute to people getting scammed as investing in their scam allows them to operate longer since money is coming in, and thus they will be able to victimize more people. That's why I find people investing in obvious scams are equally as bad as the operators themselves. If all people simply avoid putting their hard earned cash into these scams, they will eventually dry out and completely vanish.

One of my biggest mistake i made in bitcoin  is investing in an mlm program. At first it gives me excitement but when the days past it seems like its not good anymore. Asking myself how to get profit with this program.

In my beginning using Bitcoin I was encourage too to invest such like that site.In the first day of my investment I earn but in my second withdrawal they didn't send my profit.So now im not investing MLM site.

There are people who participate in these kind of scams or "programs" in very early stage. They invest to the full limits of scam/scheme in early stage as result their returns are high. Now use these returns as proof of validity of scam/scheme being genuine. These people create videos on youtube about their income and how system is clean. Lure naive people to join under them. Once desperate and naive people join under them these buggers Earn more n more.
Sooner or later these scheme concludes.

If you join the scam/scheme in early stage and invest your money, you are also on the verge of loosing money. It's a gamble.

your question doesn't make any sense, you are saying it yourself "it is a scam" then you say would you invest in a scam. if you didn't know it is a scam then it was a different story.

and this is what will happen no matter if you go in early or late.
you go in and invest some amount, they they start paying you some profit and before you reach ROI they run away and if you request withdrawal before they run away and you reach ROI they deny your request. simple as that you lose both ways.

if you go in early you lose small amount, if you in late you lose more. in both cases it ends with loss.

MLM or pyramid scheme has already hurting many people because they losing they money during invest at MLM and i think if there is MLM which is indicated would be scam we should warning people to not invest at there and should not exploit the situation and i personally would not do that even i would telling to many people that be careful with those sites

If I am a newbie in this kind of industry then I will be tempted to join even if not on the early stage of MLM. But given my experience with MLM I will no longer join any MLM even if it just started today and the main reason is that the system of MLM is recruitment. And in this kind of system what you will earn are coming from the pocket and sweat of your downlines. It is like using them  and stepping them so you can go up and get more profit while they are stressed selling products that sometimes give them low income or zero profit at all. MLM is usury.

If you still have concience i guess you will not be tempted joining this just for the sake of money since you are well informed about of possible collapse its not always because of money theres still a lots of things to do in order to earn not into something like this which you are risking not only your money but also your name.

I you knowingly invest your money in something that it is created to rob people, then why don't you simply steal money directly from random people on the streets?
If you can do it so you won't get caught there is no difference, right? It is moral choice, either you are honest man or you are no different that those scammer who started it.

Absolutely, pyramid schemes or MLM will continue to look for new members to join and usually targets are newbies who are new. They always say that they are "the next bitcoin" that can developed and advanced, it is just to reassure the newbies. Only MLM who claimed Cryptocurrency potentially scam, by using a ponzi scheme. Must be careful with this pattern.

Luckily, when I was starting to invest in Bitcoin no proposal to invest in such schemes was presented to me. I only became aware of this when there was an event, two years ago, in which many people lost money on it. From that moment on I became aware of the risks, and decided to focus on more legitimate ways to make money.

No, there is no guaranty that you will earn money (bitcoins) if you are one of the first investors. A MLM (or ponzi) scam could run out on the first month or on second day (when they have enough money they will take it off).

No i will neither join them nor promote them to anyone. All of the MLM are ponzi and will scam on end, the one who will be in lowest level can't get their money back. So i don't like to lure others in this shit scams.

I totally agree with your point the persons who are supporting in early days are the main culprits who are supporting the scam and earning it by giving the more users and supporting the scam MLM ponzi scheme and he is also liable for the loss of other lower end users who get caught when this scam runs away.

i will also dont support and wont let my friends and supportive s to support this type of ponzi and scam schemes.

No I wouldn't. Apart from the fact that investing in something which will scam a lot of people eventually is not a good thing to do, you might lose your money even investing when it is in early stage, like you said. Because no one knows how long will that early stage last. People are not so stupid nowadays, so they are not investing in such schemes generally. So you might end up being one of a few who invested and thus lose your money due to unexpected termination of the company.

Question for you guys: so you know exactly that you were investing in dubious MLM schemes and you still did it?
How exactly do you think investing in bitcoin works? Volatility aside, there is no way to generate high level of income very fast.
Unless of course someone else is destined lose their money in the process.

The problem for MLM schemes is hard start, they need power to move their machine i.e. initial wave of dedicated promoters.
If you're aware that your participation will help them scam others later on then you shouldn't be doing it.

Honestly speaking, I did join MLM last 7 years ago, since it is my first time at first I am so excited since the person who invited me really earns a lot of money, and wanted to be like him, so I also join in just 60$ and just to buy every month of their product so I can earn points as well as to invite friends and relatives too. But, I stop it after 6 months, maybe the luck for MLM is not for me.

The scheme you indicating is not consider MLM. It is a type of HYIP or Ponzi. MLM refers to Multi-level marketing and consider legit by some people. It has all to do with referrals. Now coming to HYIPs, yeah! there has been a significant rise in their number over last year. Main reason is people's greed to get more and more. Mahatma Gandhi had better said-
"There is enough to satisfy human needs but not greed."
These HYIPs' owners, I would better say Web Serial Scammers took advantage of this human aspect and make big money.
Another aspect is unawareness among people. They think such opportunities are legit to increase their Bitcoin!
However, if someone ask me, I completely reject investing them regardless of time.

This all is like axin' if' I'd like ta git cancer at'n early stage.  Yeh it might work out, but chainces is, you be fucked inna end. 

Still scary.

I am so out of this. I dont know why but it really got a bad reputation to me. Look, you need to be sure that they will be staying for a year for ROI and every month you will be thinking "What if this is the last?". That is just so stressful man. I dont want to stress myself thinking of it always if it will go left or still go on the right direction considering my money is in their pockets and anytime they could run away.  :(

In my opinion, I would not invest in any sort of scam. It propagates more of them as you are supporting them and encouraging them to make some more scams. Why not let's all just stop supporting them and so that they would just waste their money and time doing it. And if that happens, they will stop too and never try again.

That is why we should always be careful with what we are entering to. I am done with those networking or MLM, hyip or whatever scam is that, I don't want to be involve with them anymore, I am happy with what I am earning right now through the use of bitcoin. MLM is like hyip they are just profitable if you are pioneer or at early year after that nothing at all, they would just disappear and change their name.

if someday i decided to take ridiculous risks and in other words to gamble with my precious bitcoins then i would go to a proper casino and take some risks there.

i would never in a million years hand over my precious bitcoins to a scammer to take them and run away.

Investing in an MLM and then referring other people to it would be like scamming them as well. You are part of the scam since you're well aware that the whole thing is a scam. I can't believe how these people sleep at night knowing that the money they used to buy food, shelter and clothing came from scamming other people.

I really can't comment on the "by looking at the situation, it will go on for two more years." How did you come up with that? Scams like this can run away at any given time. They don't care about you and they made the whole thing look like it would go on for a long time so they can attract more people.

There are other ways to earn money and I'm not desperate enough to do such thing. I wouldn't risk my money to a well-known scam that's been going on for years already.

Not at all.I'm pretty lucky to much avoid those kind of business policy or fortunate got have quite knowledge in my early stage.Beware this MLM puzzle surely ponzi scheme.In a pyramid scheme, money from new participants is used to pay,just look like risky in beginning.You are investing in a pyramid scheme,so beware that kind of scheme.

100% NO even I know that it will become scam someday (that's obvious isn't it?)

Why? No such thing as early stage since scam may happen even at early stage. Imagine lots of money was injected to this MLM thing on just a first day, so on for 2nd and third etc. Those greedy owners will think of shutting down the site quick so that they can operate again another scheme and another fraud activity to scam users.

Yeah that is true. I will never ever deposit my money in the MLM even if I am the early stage member. The system is only created to steal other people money and it is not right to support it. I would rather spend my money to trade or to gamble. It will be much fun and if I am lucky enough, I can win some money from them

Mostly all mlm schemes are scam or ponzi schemes. They will get paid for first two days . Thats it. Then forget about getting paid by them . But recently I came across a MLM scheme called zarfund. I think its genuine. In this scheme there is no possibility of scam . Because its paid directly to upper level member . So i dont think its a scam . But I havent tried it . I have a plan to invest in this zarfund because it seems interesting and promising.

MLM is a puzzle scheme when you invest in it at the early stage depends on the publicity on the scheme if a lot of people embrace it you can gain some money in the early stage but if there is not  enlightenment it will be risky to invest in it

I will not join in because the ones I had tried I ended up bitten and lost my money whether joining early or joining late is not a determining factor that you won't lose as no one is in the position of knowing the time the site will pack up except the adminstrators of the site who might even close down in five days after they might have gathered everything they needed within the few days where one might still be thinking he is joining in early.

Yes, I will invest in a MLM scam in early stage. I'm not that "stupid person" who is investing on a scam scheme sit or investment, I'm just being practical. If I know a site like this, that is in early stage that promising 10% per month and also it will be last for 2 years then i will grab it and for sure, I will earn a lot of money from that kind of 'scam investment' because i'm an early bird who take the risk and i know that i already manage my risk by investing early on that kind of scheme so for sure i can get good profits from that.

Never,i will never invest even a penny in any mlm,matrix,hype,instead if money i have to invest my time
That kind of investments are best way of losing money.I also dont want to support scamers

This is definitely right, I have nothing to say about what he/she mentioned above. Once you join in mlm whether you out early or late it ends with loss. Meaning never try to engage yourself in any ico coins that are related into mlm  due to most of it are just hype, boasting, lots of promises, then in the end they will runaway with your investment.

It's risky and unethical especially provided that not all people getting in are knowledgeable enough to know and understand that there;s potential to earn at other people's expense.

Of course not, a scam is a scam no matter how you look at it, even if you end up benefiting of it, if you know it is a scam you are helping the scammers getting away with their crimes, while you probably cannot be accused of anything it is still an immoral activity.

No i won't for simple reasons, MLM is not allowed in my country and it can get you serious problems with the justice.
Secondly, you are just stealing money from the people who joined after you as you are paid with their money. You are using people to get you a profit on their back. And finally i don't like MLM, legit or scam

I am able to understand your question as I have seen some PTC users who will buy membership on every new PTC site for some $100 as they claim they will earn more than that quickly in first 4 days of those PTC sites before they will stop paying users.

Similarly some people prefer investing in obvious ponzi, but personally I hate them with a passion. I never will touch them for any reasons.

Scam is always scam to me and I will never invest my money for this kind of websites so long as I am not deceived. The stage, the timing, the profit is not important. Even I am 100% sure I will get my money back, I will not use a scam scheme. Because I get the money, which belong to someone else who has lost already his/her money.

MLM is not legal in your country ? It is a news for me. Even gambling is not allowed in my country, I have seen networking and mlm schemes are popular in my country but I heard they are highly regulated. Even it is legal in my country personally I do not prefer working on them as my down-lines will blame me for just introducing them when they are not getting ROI.

No, I wouldn't. Actually if you know your profits will come from the loss of others and knowingly participate you're helping someone commit a crime and the money you've gained from it may be given back to the victims. It usually doesn't happen, because it's very difficult to prove someone knew what he was investing into, but the fact that you can get away with it doesn't change that it's immoral and against the law.

The sad thing about these scams is that they never seem to run out of victims. People still fall for too-good-to-be-true types of investments and easily get blinded by the promised high returns. MLMs are very common in my place but not all of them are illegal. The ones that last are those who focus on product selling rather than recruiting more downlines. Scamming others is not good at all, and sooner or later, the karma’s gonna get these scammers, one way or another.

Although I have many friends or followers who want to join under my referral link but I would still choose to do not join such a program, because it is like me to hurting and stealing money from friends or my followers. I see many people doing a promo on Facebook to display a screenshot of their income, that makes a lot of people who are interested and involved, but they didn't tell about the high risk and a program like this is not the proper thing to say as an investment.

i don't want to join in any MLM programs because i have a bad experience in MLM section and i am lost much of money to join with them. i think there are many of my friend that still join in the MLM programs even if i am telling to them that is not a good option to investing our money to MLM, but they don't listen to me. MLM have a high risk too like other type of investment and for people which being join with MLM, will telling the truth about MLM and will avoid to join MLM programs.

when you know something is a "scam" and it is clear for you then you must stay away, and not try to find a way to go around them and make profit because that is never going to be possible. you will end up losing trying to scam the scammers but they are the one holding your money an who runs away with it, you can never do anything about it.

NO!

I'd rather keep my pride than to earn some money from a scam, although no one
is forcing to do it, but it is a matter of conscience and self-dignity.

But I can't feel sorry for those people who got scammed from MLM scams since they know that
there is a high chance that it is a scam and still invests, then it means they are ready to get scammed.

it just annoys me when they start crying about getting scammed and saying bitcoin
is a place for scammers. :-\

I would be able to get assured returns in such scam but I won't invest in any such thing which is going to ruin other's investments. I believe that this is a very cheap activity to earn from someone else's loss and I also have faith in karma so I would prefer to suffer loss (in terms of opportunity cost). On the other hand, I never invest in MLM schemes (no matter if it is scam or genuine).

In my opinion , if I will be at place or got any condition to invest my money in the MLM in the very begging stage then I will surely invest in it .
Here no doubt that MLM is fully a buisiness of scam only because in MLM everyone just making earning from the newbie who are joining the MLM chain but at the last more people will join MLM because of no interest then at this stage people got no profit and finally the MLM campay will ran with a lot is scam with new users .But here the person who is at top will get much profit than anyone , so it is best to join at the top but never join at the below because this is totally totally and anytime you can loss your investment .

I think it could be the first threat to the users, I know it could have been profitable but the scam is a major risk. and you should know it
but it's up to you to play hyip, MLM, or the like. First you should know the risks.

Answers on these type of question would really be different because there are people who are greedy on money and dont mind that they do earn money from other peoples money which is mainly happening on a mlm scam.For me i wont do it no matter what because i do have a pride on not making advantage among other people.

If in day 1 you know that it's already a scam why invest? I wouldn't waste my time and effort in joining those scams (ponzi or pyramiding) because I don't want anyone to fall for it. The reason why this kind of scams survives is there are people willing to invest and willing to recruit people even when they know that eventually this business will collapse. My answer is NO.

Even if it's guaranteed that my investment will be doubled and be returned in one month? still no!
Participating in a scheme that you think has a high chance of being a scam makes you a scammer too, it doesn't matter if you
didn't scam the members literally you still made the scam possible by investing and by doing that the site will gain trusts
thus making the scam a lot easier.

For me not all MLM are are stealing money from the people who joined. MLM is good only for direct selling concept which you are selling goods that are consumables. But MLM in online system I'm against with it, Because most of it are true scummy, especially in crypto currency there is coins at touched by the MLM system. I'm not in favor with it. They're usually run away in the end.

I will not invest in an MLM even if I know that I will earn if I join in it in an early stage. If you ever refer someone down the line and later on the MLM company closes, they will put the blame on you for sure and would possible strain your relationship with someone specially if you refer your friends or families and they invest on it then loses the money in the long run.

Nope, it is not pure HYIP product. It is borderline  HYIP but certainly not ponzi. Because in ponzi there is no product involved, investor invest only money and get high returns. That is why many scammers turned to cloud mining. By the way any MLM scheme (pyramid) where you need to get two or more people to earn more is nothing but scam. It is consider as legit who are part of MLM only.

I'm really happy to see people are reacting positively with their conscience at right place.  The MLM scam/scheme i was talking about was bitcoin cloud mining where ~10% monthly return on investment was guaranteed.  It is open secret now that bitcoin mining is NOT profitable anymore to handover 10% profit per month. Thus for me it was obvious that  these profits or 10% return must be coming from somewhere else that is fresh investments from users who are reinvesting. It would run till fresh income is greater than outgoing expense. Those who are still investing in  cloud mining MLM scheme (for them it is a get rich fast scheme and not scam) its golden opportunity which will last for two/three years.

Incorrect, if you join MLM in early stage, you'll get your investment back with profit. Because these kind of schemes/scams last at least for 1year/2year and with 10% per month,  your investment is returned at 10th month and next two or more months is all profit. Thus time to join MLM is very very important. If you join MLM at later stage, loss is inevitable.
The reason I said it is a scam, because I've figured out that scheme as scam. People who are investing or have invested tried to convince me had false information about bitcoin mining. They are believing in any cock and bull story told by senior leaders/promoters.

You seems have a lot of experience on something like HYIP and MLM isn't it? :D
It was the dumbest idea to do invest on 100% guaranteed scam services , never try even for once.
It is dirty business and i guess people nowadays smart enough to avoid this kind services.

No, if it will go on more than two-year and I guess it's just a speculation and you do not know about it in the future.

I'll never try to take a high risk for my money. For entirely I will stay away. It's so terrible to put some of my money in there and looks like i just try to give a free loan for the scammer.

It's a scam and I don't normally mix scam with investment because they are not meant to be together but if you will push me to the wall I will just try to determine the stage of the NLM; is it at the beginning, middle or end stage? It's very difficult to find out the stage but if it's at the beginning then the risk will be less so I can invest else forget you won't get me to invest.

You don't mix scam with investment but naive n greedy people do. When person is desperate, naive and greedy  that person enters into the denial mode. If he/she enters in MLM scheme early stage they will vehemently defend the scam/scheme. As they are getting returns regularly. They will always advertise based on regular payments.  There is lot of illiteracy about bitcoin in many countries. many People from IT world are also ignorant about it. These mlm promoters take advantage of this situation to promote.

The MLM or multi-level marketing is not a simple job. It is an recruitment of people to join in this site and it is factorized. There is an upline and downline. If you have recruited a person he will becomes your downline, in that way you earn. So if your good in entertaining people, you are exact to invest in MLM in early stage and because I doesn't have that kind of skill, I will don't invest into it.

This is a nice point of consideration, even if you profited from it the stress you will have every month makes it not worthwhile in my particular opinion since you will always be worried of what it may happen with your money if the HYIP decides to finally run away with your money.

A scam is a scam.
No matter in what level you enter it, somebody always has to pay.
And even if I would be one of the lucky few who would make profit, many other people would have to pay for that.
That's why I would never join such a thing.

Of course everybody don't like that to be happen, and most mlm are true scummy, they have great speakers, which great in conversing to anyone and have high of convincing power to influence others. So if ever there is coins here that will be connect into mlm, I'd rather ignore them and refuse.

Determining what the early stage is will be dependent on knowing when the closing date will be because without knowing that, no one can really know when it will end except for the adminstrators. I have seen a site that started scamming after five days and I have seen one that started after one year so for me, I wont bother to invest because any where I keep my money, I should be able to sleep with two eyes closed.

Yep, I'd gladly do it, provided that I wouldn't let these other people know who I am but on the other hand, no one in that scheme really wins, just those ones who were right there since the beginning or infancy of the said scheme. If I see some opportunity/profit on that particular venture then yes I would take it.

I don't think it is ever possible to say when a scheme will fold; much less that it will last another year. Schemes which receive inflows today might not receive inflows tomorrow. I am by nature a risk-averse person, and I won't invest.

I never trust MLM system. it is scam. so I would never invest on that MLM in the first place even it sounds guaranteed or it gives us more than what we think or what you explain above, I think I'd never invest on MLM.

This is the main problem, people will invest into mlm, hyip and scam project in the begining because its when you might be able to make some money, and refer and promote it to others make you be scammer as the admin. There arent any trusted project that can run without damage someone, the bitcoin bank could be somehow a kind of solution as long the rates are above the real banks.

this is one of the wrong ways of thinking that i see most people have, and actually this way of thinking about MLM scams is the only reason for their survival, otherwise they would have died and disappeared long time ago.
people think they can beat the scam system and win, and surely enough they get super lucky once in a while and win something out of it. but in total they are losing without even noticing it.

If you have known of their scheme, no matter how good they are at explaining or talking, you will never fall for their trick. 

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I will not invest in a scam MLM company even if I will be the 01, or pioneer of the scam company.  Besides we cannot get profit if we do not involve and recruit our friends and relatives in that company since they will be paying us with the entrance our reffered member paid.

no I won't,despite the profit that they promise a good profit, if I joined the MLM its means I am participating to encourage the MLM to deceive people, and if I ask people to joined then I feel responsible for them when they lost money, so it is better to stay away from it, so if everybody not interested then the scam will failed and next time there will be less scammer try to find money using this way

Nowadays It is possible to get profit without recruiting other people. Instead of recruiting other people you could create dummy account and invest. In a way you are not involving other people in scam, you are putting all your money. Trick played from mlm promoter is they convince people in reinvesting all money received from MLM system. This way people keep on putting money back in system. One could earn money from MLM if you early and don't reinvest.

why invest in something you know is a scam in the first place?? Do not be a victim of free money schemes.
You are safer avoiding this MLM scam  at all cost and should not be falling for the same trick twice!

As my experience taught me, MLM only profitable if you are early investor so as long as you can prepare yourself to invest , you will got significant profit. It's easy profit compare if you try to gamble


Sometimes people's greed can't be control to invest  :D

Ethically wise even putting your money in MLM in such an early stage is wrong. Even if you are the first in line to be paid , the ones your are considered earning is from new members money. Which is bad and I consider it some form of stealing. It makes me feel that they are left out when they won't earn anything from the so called company.

With what I have experienced in the past in my early years of coming into this crypto world, I am not even going to try it again. There is one I even did recently with the news that its new and will continue to pay after I had put money 5 days is all that is needed for me to get my money and they scammed two days before the end of my 5 days period but they were new. So, I am not going to join under any circumstance.

It does not matter if the MLM is at the beginning stages, a scam is a scam and there is no way around it, even if for some miracle you were able to obtain all your money back and even some profit you can be sure that many people wont and you will be an accomplice of the scam.

Here's the thing.
If those other people are investing in the MLM scam, they are accomplices of the scam too, or at least they want to be. (unknowingly)
I guess you can say they get punished, and you don't.

This question is really interesting because it puts morals against personal interest.
You have a chance to gain profit at the expense of someone else, but regardless of what you do it won't stop the MLM scam from happening.

If it won't require me to invite friends into it and I know I'm early enough, I would if I have the money to spare.Drop in some cash, take it out along with interests, and the leave without looking back. The internet has made this a lot easier now, though I think it becomes harder to game them. A relative keep on insisting that I deposit some bits in btcriver.com, swearing he made money out of it. Just so he'd stop talking about it, I deposited a small amount and then just disregarded it. Now he's complaining that it won't let him withdraw again. I've been tracking the money I deposited there and I redeposit the profits. I'm waiting for all of the deposits to mature now. If their scammer system only tracks how many times money has been deposited to an address and it allows people to get bits at least once, I might still be able to get my money back. :D

Yes, there are some bitcoin mlm scheme/scams which do not require inviting other friends(person). You could create dummy accounts for you and invest via them as your referrals. This way you are putting all your money and not inviting other people.
It is possible to get money back from MLM scam if :
1. you enter in early stage
2. You don't reinvest your  returns from scam.

This way it is possible get money out of MLM scams.

When it comes to MLM, some people become very possessive about their legality and defend them as legit.

There is no way you could get money from this kind of MLM thing because from the start you join you already been scammed away. Just need some time to make you believe that you are going to get your money but in the end they can't pay you up. Most scheme that I saw before was they make you believe that you have huge amount on your account and when you want to withdraw it takes a long process and in the end they dont give any penny in your account. So it is better to stay away from this kind of MLM thing before you regret it

I'm strongly against MLM schemes and don't like the anatomy of it at all. Now accessing MLM schemes objectively, it is very much possible to benefit from MLM and it happens all the time with MLM scams. If you enter into the scheme very early and don't reinvest then and then you could earn benefit (or at least get your investment back) from it. Because of early participation the promoter of MLM scheme has to give returns to you otherwise you will not endorse them. Thus who gets paid regularly goes into endorsement mode and recruit others. Till incoming money is greater than outgoing money scheme goes on.
Problem is for rest of recruits who either join party late or early investors keeps on reinvesting money and never getting initial money out. Again greed plays important part here. That is why stay away from MLM scams.

What you explained is the main reason of MLM schemes are getting income even after all of them knew about it as a scam , but the users think of that he is in early stage and invest in it and spread the word but he dont know that he is also supporting the scam to get spread instead of stopping it from getting spread

I would never be a part in any of the MLM schemes anymore. In the past I experienced a big loss through one of the MLM. Initially it went successful and I was happy, introduced it to several friends. Everyone in a short made big investment in it. Everything went as a scam in just three months time. I was not able to face my friends anymore, somehow managed to give them a small amount back.

No, I think it is very risky, because we never know when will the MLM scam. It could be that after we invest and then scam. I particularly hate with MLM because ponzi business systems makes us like a fool.

There are other risky methods there to earn bitcoin that is worth the shot, why would I choose an obvious risk?

Yes at "early" phase of those ponzi business, investors really have a chance to make profits but the questioned here is, how long is that "early" phase? There are MLM/ponzis that only runs for few weeks or much worst, few days so even people able to invest early, they won't reached their respective ROI.

That's how risky is it. Really not a worth a shot. Id rather invest in an ICO rather than this.

I will admit it is an interesting question, but while the scam in question will keep happening you must understand that by not investing in it, you are shortening the life span of the scam, even if just by a little time, if enough people do that then the time of the scam is greatly diminished and less people get scammed.

Yes, this is indeed interesting hypothetical situation where if you make correct moves at right time then you could earn in $150k/month but at same time you are earning than money at expense of others loss.  Recently i came to know that some people are earning in range of  $ 149515.30 per month.  When stakes are this high do you really think it is easy to stay away ?

It would be much better if you invest your money in bitcoins. Just simply holding the coin gives you profit after a couple of months. Since the MLM scam that OP has is giving 10% return per month, bitcoin holding would be much better than that as you can multiply your money depending on your timing and how long are you going to hold it. It's much safer too.

You know that it's a scam, then why even bother ask people if it would be good to invest there? I suggest that you stop wasting your time risking money on sure scam like those.

Iam not interest MLM program, hyip ponzy site
if return only few profit, but if scam you can lost all money, only plan big comission referal and can find much referal can get much profit in MLM and ponzy site

Yes, when we are not bothering about our friends and colleagues and their possibilities for recovering investments then we can join any MLM programs and we can force our friends and colleagues to join under us as down-lines. Because a typical MLM works this way alone.

When we are earning some referral commission when that referred person get some benefits then there would be nothing wrong. But MLM is not in working that way.

Indeed it is very important for everyone (including me) to understand never ever invest in MLM scam.  There will be situations where your friends and colleagues will be happily investing in these scams and not necessarily under you but someone else. You'll not get any referral commissions out of their investment, however when you know a scam is in process then you can't explain it to people aka your friends who are happily investing because they are getting regular payments. You became a bad person if you explain them about scam. They will think that your jealous of their success. And you don't want them to succeed. This goes on till scam is getting fresh investments. Once scam is exposed and promoters runs away with money only then they will understand their mistake. There is quite good chance that you may still be hated because they'll  think that you jinxed it.

Thus my opinion is stay away from MLM no matter how big you could earn. Ultimately it is other peoples money is getting robbed. Whatever you may earn it is from that loot money.  Thus say no to MLM scams.

Big problem is explaining people MLM scam and warning people against scams especially when they are receiving regular payouts.     

MLM must be a scam attempt in my view. I never agree with MLM is kind of affiliate program. Ponzi schemes have definite differences from affiliate marketing. But unfortunately many people are working on MLM with same thoughts as affiliate and facing problems for their reputations. 

No, I will never do it as the odds for me to never see my money back are too high to take the risk. If however I am 100% to get it back, I will do it.

Edit : I saw about affiliates. So no, I will not do it, as I do not want to do some affiliating. If I need to do the work, better go somewhere else !

Same here, definitely no to promote scam company or scam schemes that will make lots of people lose their money.  If you think of the picture, you earn 10% out of your effort and 90% goes to the scam company.  It is not worth the effort let alone our trust ratings. 

possibilities for profit in hyip can be quite small. even if you invest in the beginning, but no one can guarantee that you will profit. but if you are forced to invest is up to you

No way, I wouldn't endorse such shady investing schemes in any way.

Those people who really desperates in needs money will do everything
Include this dirty business, avoid to become evil, you will not earn good money from there
People have to wake up from the daydreaming to get profit easily and big!
Money always can make everyone gone crazy.

No i dont want to do give my money to scammer, i had a bad experience with scam sites and i dont want to involve myself in that things again and also i dont want to drag somebody to join the scam site, no matter how big the profit promise the site offered

Not just you, many people are having some opinion about ponzi sites only after having their OWN experiences, yes they usually do not listen to other people nor what they are reading in forum or books. They learn about precautions only after experiencing some losses.

I also had bad experiences with ponzi schemes and now I am staying away from them. The fee I have paid for this lesson is big one, still it was completely avoidable if I have listened to my friend's opinions.

I have a friend who put his money in MLM and it didn't end well. So i won't invest in MLM even if it's still in early stage because i lack the skill to refer in the first place. Investing in this kind of things is the same as robbing people of their money. I'm surprised there's still many greedy people who invest in this kind of thing.

I believe it to be completely unethical, so no.

Yeah I have seen that too, you will see in their main page incredible stats about the earnings of the ones that deposited early but the truth is no one can withdraw their funds and the fantastic ‘earnings’ they got at all, so it is better to not deceive ourselves if you invest in a MLM you are probably never going to see that money back.

We all know there is no way investing in a MLM scam will ever bring positive results no matter which stage its at. So I wouldn't waste my time.
You know what the say If it Sounds Too Good to Be True, it Probably Is!

In MLM in start stage ofcourse it will not scam first they will attract people who will invest big to their website and if they maximize they want to scam they will started to run off you will get nothing if they scammed you people always attract to those investment program like this you people are moron and will get nothing. Why be greedy on wealth when you can do with your own hard work.

I would not invest in a MLM scam in early stage even if there is a chance of getting profit from it since some needs you to promote first and get some affiliate to get some profit from your investment and I wouldn't want to do that. The best thing I can do against these MLM scams are to not invest in them even if we know we can profit from them to stop them from scamming many people if there are there would be less people who lost money.

In a mlm scam theres still positive stage and thats the people who are place on the top they will surely get most of the money because we all know that mlm forms a triangle which means the top will really make most of money and the bottom will surely cry after if theres no people would tend to jump in on the pyramid.

lol who knows it will be gone wild scam early like where there is first investor and then disappeared scam? it is just stupid action for those people who do it , better to gamble in a reliable casino , it is pure gambling and not like that scheme which guaranteed scam.

don't fall with something that ' too good to be true ' you will broke with that way.

Well, I'd put it into my head into these terms.

I'd have to know that it is actually in the early stages and I'm just not being sold a boat-load-of fake news when people tell me it's in the early stages and people are going to be buying it up without an issue. The next thing you have to do is to never involved anyone from your own family as you'd really just be selling them down the river in order for them to lose a boat load of money.

If I followed the above I would invest, even though it's unethical and people are going to lose out in the end, that is how the world works and I'd love to make a couple bucks.


You say this but when you have the opportunity to make good money you'd never turn it down, we're humans and that's how we are.

This is beyond false buddy, if you're one of the first to a scam with hundreds of thousands you're probably going to make some good money.

Nope, even if the opportunity to make good money knocks if it came from milking other money of fraud and scams, i will never accept such offer.  Even if we are humans, we have conscience and dignity.  I agree it is tempting but I just cannot push other people to be scammed.

It is interesting that the more desperate you get in your need of money a person will try riskier and riskier options that basically guarantee they are not going to see a single cent back, that is why it is important to avoid that state of mind since it can cloud our judgment.

It's easy to say that people should avoid such state of mind at the time nothing is wrong. But at the time people land themselves into big prolems, the only thing they care about is money, and as fast as possible. Some will gamble as they see it as a fast way of "earning" money, and some of them don't have any problems with investing in obvious scams as long as they end up getting a positive result -- where in normal circumstances these would never be an option.

Almost all of the MLM are scams and they will return the dust amounts without any delays to make an impression on you and when you make up your plan to invest big then they wont bother returning back your coins and this is the basic routine they follow.No matter what i would not deposit again since got fooled once a couple of years back.

MLM is not a scam,it's just a distribution network

you do know herbal life and avon is listed on stock exchange right?

the final results of the MLM scam will surely end. but users who sign up at the beginning is very likely benefit. but it still does not guarantee you will profit. because many MLM also the scam in a short time

That is definitely true, there are MLM scams that will not give your outright profit in one go but it will release by percentage depending on schedule. The fear is that even if you belong in the first group as long as you dont have enough recruits since there are no autospill your network is dead and in the end its the company that profits and not you. MLM is just an instrument of the company so they can dispose their products without paying for employees, they will just use the peoples desire so they can dispose their products faster.

Yes there were history that the MLM projects got shut down in the day one itself. So, the question of participating into it in early stages is indirectly supporting it like urging us to invest them if you find an MLM in early days. In other words what is the definition for early days ? and what would be the guarantee they will not wrap up just one day before to that definition.

If MLM works in similar way of "affiliate marketing" then there would be no harm. Unfortunately MLMs are just circulating our money and the real problem starts there.

Yes there are a lot of differences between MLM and affiliate marketing. If we do enter into a scheme only for benefits for the money we are paying and no actual business is involved, that must be a ponzi we should avoid it unlike how affiliate marketing is working in completely different way as a extra benefits for referring.

The problem is that most MLM are in fact scams so anyone using that name has become someone suspicious as it is cloud mining in this forum, I prefer to think of those business as an affiliate network rather than MLM.

Early days definition is simple as early since launch of scheme or topmost in MLM tree.  MLM's shutting down in very early stage are mostly hyper HYIP type scheme. Normally MLM's without any specific product or mainly circulating money  are offering bit less profit than HYIP then it could go on for while. Remember Hashocean ran for two years. Those who invest in first year would have got benefit.
If MLM is working like Affiliate marketing  where actual product or service is involved and customers are benefiting from it then it is okay. However MLM scammers take advantage of this point and twist it to their benefit. Like scam would involve a product/serive whose actual cost would be less or compatible with those existing in market. These scams will increase the product/service value manifolds and then they will sell them. This way inflated price minus actual cost works more like ponzi scheme. People are asked to sell product/service, add more people in tree to get initial investment back and earn more profit. 

No

Quite simply these are scams and the promoters and the people who set them up should be locked in jail. They will be illegal in nearly all countries where people participate (this might not matter to you, but if you are knowing promoting one of these schemes, not only are you preying on the vulnerable, lying and a general bastard you also guilty of a crime that could get you decades in a prison. They will always jupe more people out of money than people who gain. They also destroy confidence in the Bitcoin community.

Some do say when they have invest early enough they've made a profit as little as they maybe before the ponzi closes it's doors and shuts down for the cycle.

I would not dare to jump in front of a train knowing that it would kill me,so no i wont invest in any scum ponzi scheme what ever lucrative it may be i do not want to risk my coins and would not do that even at an early stage.

There is always a high risk in this, regardless of whether you invest at the beginning, middle or end of scheme lifetime. The reason for this is that scammers are not interested in when people put money into it, for them the only thing that matters is that they make a profit and are able to get away at the right time.

whatever kind of great offer or great in return of the investment of their investors still I won't participate on such kind of scheme programs. It is because that kind of systems is not long last in this industry.

I am one of the victim off this scam before when I using the Bitcoin for my very first time because I am amazed that I can use it to do investment. I earned enough BTC that time and because of my ignorance that time and eagerness to earn more for my future savings I decided to continue and invest more including my income from my original capital and suddenly the system stop and can't contact the support team. In short I loss everything maybe a total of 2btc (1btc : 533USD) way back 2015. I loss my money but I gained knowledge. Now Im happy because Im a part of our organization now and it help me a lot.

I will surely not invest any amount even its at early stage and I will get profit into it. In the first place we all know it scam and it will run your money one of the day, so why do I need to invite people if I know they get lost into it. I will share other online income but not this one.

Its not just the potential of being scam by the MLM but also the ethical issue involve, they try to fool us with promise richness and after we join we will do the same to other users just to have a downline, and if everything did not go in the right place we will see our invited members suffer from what we did. Fooling people just to get rich is not a good way to earn money.

Many people are actually deceived by scamming, especially those who wants to grow their money right away or those people really greedy. But we can not blame people like them. There are people who promised a fair and bearing good words. Personally, I do not want to invest especially when I know that from the beginning it is a kind of scam. I don't  want to take a risk though in invesment there's  always a risk but not this one.

In terms of being practical, Yes I will invest in MLM scam in early stage because i know that i can make profit from it and i can take advantage it by recruiting a lot of people and then i will do the hit and run scheme where i will harvest my ROI and then my commissions and i will ran away before it turns to scam  8).

but there are also many hyip or MLM scam in a short time so that even if you joined in the beginning even though you will still lose because not get the ROI. all of it depends on luck

MLM is actually a very full proof business. The reason most MLM goes down is due to the poor execution and nothing else. Otherwise, MLM should not have to go down in any way.

I will be ready to put my fiat money in the early stage of any MLM if the amount is low but not my bitcoin for sure. Every sinlge bitcoin I earn, I keep it in a safe place for the future because I know this coin will fetch me a much higher return in future. Probably not now, but anytime 5-7 years down the line. Hence I can't afford to loose my bitcoin.

Well sometimes I am open to take a risk but not on this of investments, I know already that is only going to be a going so it will be a stupid decision I am still going to invest my money on it . It is very similar to gambling but in MLM you have a chance to get something in return at first and also there's a possibility that you will lose so much amount if you are going to put a large amount as well if ever the persons who running that scheme gets satisfied to the amount that they have gathered from people .

Nope, even there are some MLM site was closing the site for directly after some of the people are already tried to send their money to the site. and I think to get on the MLM site is very risky. because anytime the site can be shutdown.

It's a no and never. I was once a victim of those scammers and I don't have any trust with them anymore.

They did promised that when you're on the highest position or up line position you can have incentives and commission from your lower referrals.

But I don't believe with those words anymore.

No, this type of investment should be blacklisted in your investment list because this is clearly scam and you can't predict when MLM would be scam cuz I've seen lot of proof about Scam attempt against MLM and It helps me to avoid any kind of MLM activities.

Well, if you can stomach taking money from those who will join later, then it is up to you. These scams are just going to keep victimizing people, even if they are warned of these too-good-to-be-true offers. Partly to blame also are those who join because they are easily blinded by the promised high returns in a short period of time. Only later on that we would hear and read about people filing complaints because they invested all of their savings into it.

many of them invest in the early stages and I think it's natural for those who want to profits the easy way but the most annoying if they invite people who don't know MLM or newbie and beginners it ended scam

Many people assume HYIP When MLM scam is being discussed.  There is a subtle difference in HYIP and MLM. HYIP do not run for long time. However MLM could run for more than year or two. Thus there is chance of getting money out of mlm scam with early investment without reinvestment.
Recently came across one of bitcoin oriented mlm scam who were claiming that they have completed first batch of contracts. This company is in business for nearly 2 years.  Thus sometimes MLM scam  could go on for while (till incoming flow is greater than outgoin flow.)

Honestly, NO, why would I take profit from other people's money? It's not legally and morally right.

I'd rather invest in a gambling house than to invest in an MLM even if it promises sure profit. I've been a victim of this before, and I know how it feels to be robbed by this robbers without any knowledge on how to fight them.  :)

Frankly, speaking definitely no. People who are doing this knowing that is a scam they are scammers too, like as the site owner or the creator of the MLM scheme. Moreover, if scammers know that they will easily find willing partners in their crime they will continue to do the same in bigger extent and those 'partners' are accomplice. Therefore, my point of view is that anyone must behave to other people like as he wants others behave to him.

Well at least Mutli Leve Marketing business has a product that when you register they will give you a product equivalent to the amount you pay them. It just become like a scam later on since it feeds on the money of the members. Without new members there will no movement or income production. MLM industry are not all scams but it becomes a scam when the focus is more on recruitment and not on sales production.

I won't and i will never invest to a mlm even if it is still at its early stage. You are not 100% sure if you would get profit from it or even your roi. Most scammers these days just run away when they are already contented on what they have get. Even if their investors is not even on their roi yet. I've never trusted those mlm type of investment. I don't like inviting people to be my affiliate and in the end we just both get scammed.

I agree with you. How can I invest my money in a scam. Even I know I will earn money, I also know that this money belong to someone else who has lost his/her money.

No, even knowing that I will get profit, I won't invest into MLM scheme. I already lost some money on such shady sites. I knew about risk when I invested, so it's only my fault. I don't want to support scammers anymore.
People have to forget about easy way to get big % profit. Money doesn't grows on a trees. We have to support legit business instead of scammers.
But often greediness is stronger than brains.

I agree with you although sometimes it is sometimes advantageous investment opportunity but it will have a bad effect and loss for others it was a sure thing so I think it's better not to approach this investment

I will never invest in MLM, almost everyone who invests money in MLM ended with a loss of money although MLM offers the advantage that it makes no sense and ended scam it's not investment but a money game

No, I dont join in any such MLM companies in my entire life because ther are more on hype and scamming people only, they give lot of promises to the people for them to invest to their business. They are HYIP kind :-\

Better not to invest into any MLM or into other scams as scammers are becoming more cunning than ever. What if they run away even if they had enough money to run the entire thing for 2 to 3 years??! They just want the money and once they get their targets covered, they will just run away with your funds and you will end up losing.

If you have some money to spare, I would suggest you to go gamble and enjoy the moment than investing into some shitty MLM .

iam never investment in ponzi site, hyip, MLM in money game
iam not interest join in there, so iam never lost bitcoin or my money about MLM scam in early stage

Well if you invest in Ponzi scams like this, all of your ROI will come from future investors who got scammed, so even if you don't refer anyone you're supporting the scheme and potentially hurting other people who got in too late.

I admit that I've put a little bit of money in the higher ROI ones and got returns from 3/5 of them.  The problem is that many of these just start off taking your money, or they turn into that too quickly.

So what is the point of answering question here at the first place if you have no interest on it. But i agree with you. I'm not a fan of hyip since i start using bitcoin. Because there are so many bad feedback from my friends that hyip are always scam that's why i never tried them, I'd rather lose money on gambling than hyip. In that case i have some fun

Usually, Ponzi or MLM schemes pay to the top or early investors to gain the trust so that they can loot comparatively bigger amount. It's not even worth investment because if you are investing in it then you are promoting such activities indirectly as the money you invested will be utilised to set up more such schemes and to find more victims. One should stay away from such activity even at the early stage.

Definitely not, I will not ever invest in an MLM. It will scam your money, all your efforts, your hard earned money will lose. Ponzi scheme like MLM really attracts investors, even me I had liked their plans return of money but I will not invest. I will rather save my hard earned money in something sure that I can earn profit but not like MLM.

In MLM industry this is more on hype, referral programs and sometimes they have no goods physically only you will invest amount of money. Most of the member's profit came from the investment of the new member, in short no recruit no bonus income.

I will invest if im one of first 20 to invest on that mlm. If youre an early bird you will definitely profit but if youre one of the late comers better not join,cause your investments will not give you anything in return.

You cant still be assured even you joined in on a mlm site on early stage since people nowadays are already wise unlike on previous years which there are many people got victimized on this scheme thats why i dont put any interest on putting up money even on its earliest days.

No ,i will not invest even in its early stage because i already learned my lesson when im so addicted in investing, all i want before is to invest in almost all site to have easy money but i was wrong . It only gives headache and took away all my bitcoin.

All doubtful projects do not need to take into account and do not fall into the trap cheaters. But otherwise, everyone makes choices out there. Any pyramid is bad, because in the end it is still cheating.

Yes, this can be good to earn. This is a very risky investment and you need to invest only at the beginning and bring a profit as soon as possible.

I had one experience with whatever scenario you have put forth here. I invested in bitcoin mining website though but it turned out to be scam site later on. I invested in it at early stage (I also had pre-registered account) so I invested little bits at first and they paid me on daily basis. I gained a lot more trust on them due to this and I invested big chunks on them. I got bigger returns but soon if (literally within one month) that site got shut. However, i enjoyed initial outcome and I had no loss later on as I was reinvesting my money (FYI: did compounding). So yes people might be looking for such opportunities and may earn big profits in short term. But as we can see it is very risky stuff. It is possible to trust them for short period if they are paying you on daily basis. :-)

if real MLM without pasive income without profit join early or last is not affect
join first can't get referal can't earning, last join can scam

if ponzi hyip youre join first in today tommorow can scam without receive payment
ponzi scheme only liar, owner only want run capital money member and investor

No I won't, I already know how MLM works and as you can see in the title, it says "scam" so definitely whether I will be one of the first people that are going to join and invest into it and chances of earning is there. Still I don't want to put my reputation to be destroyed by it, because I know in the end that it will still fall into scam and I'll be blamed by my down lines. So it's a no, no, no.

MLM / pyramid structures aren't fair.

Those at the top don't have to do much. Its success is based upon how hard those at the bottom work.

Its not a good design for long term growth or sustainability.

Would prefer to have an arrangement similar to what the Pequod had in the book Moby Dick.

That seems like a good business structure for long term growth & keeping everyone active and motivated.

Before investing you should consider 2 things:
1. This is not an investment. You are giving money to scammers who will steal from someone. Maybe from you, maybe from someone else.
2. If you gain something it will be at the expense of other people. These losers will finance you, not the owners (scammers).
If you're ok with that go on and "invest"

It is better to state it as gambling, if you are willing to gamble with your money, then indulge with MLM.
Now about the topic, sometimes it will give good profits and sometime nothing, so I think I won't indulge myself with MLM.

I will never do such things. Unethical is unethical, no matters if it is on day 1 or day 30. For some profits, I dont wanna ruin my sleeps in worry of losing amount. :D
Better earn safe and live happy.

I definitely wouldn't put MLM in the same category as gambling, gambling is legal in some form in most countries whereas MLM's or pyramid schemes are not.
I know not all MLM's are pyramid schemes by definition, but most of them are just that.

It also just seems unethical to lure people into something like that.

People who want to earn money via passive income source like MLM, are blinded by greed. No scammer ever forces anyone to pay them money. Instead they take advantage of weakness of greedy people. Anyone who blindly invest money in MLM scheme is at risk of loss of money. Yet lot of people still take the bet. So it is the naivety which lands them in trouble. With this greed they will loose their money one way or another.  Could we agree on a point?

Is it bad to make money? If it is possible to receive income without exerting much work, then that's great, the main thing that it was not to the detriment of others. But what is the secret of such a possibility in MLM, why they are considered scams?

No, i wouldnt be part of scam project being early stage or not, thats the main reason scammers open one business wait 2-4 days and open another similiar project, soo if you support this behaviour you are a supporter of scams, the best way to handle this is dont deposit a single coin this way this projects will die.

Definitely no. These kind of mlm will turn to scams after some time. But i see some people who still invest in these sites  even knowing that its a scam because they know how to take advantage of it. They will pay first to get your trust and then if many people join and invested to their site, they will vanished.

If the pyramid isn't fair, how else should it work? Those at the bottom (newcomers) will earn right away?

Looking past, those that are at the top used to be at the bottom of the pyramid. They also did hard work and then those that they've recruited have done a good job. So they end up getting more referral rewards without doing that much. This is something that you'll here from an MLM promoter. "Those that are at the top were once at the bottom. Start your own pyramid now and be the upline of the new ones." or something like "It's not too late to start your own pyramid."

There are even MLM promoters that say that you don't have to do anything at all. You can just sit down and then you'll earn money. That's pretty unrealistic unless you've established your network already. But you can't earn money by just sitting down if you just joined their network.

All these MLM crap are causing me head aches.

And...

Good subject to be a downline for those early investors is newbie on Bitcoin and HYIP hunter. There are no people who doesn't want to earn money without do anything, and newbie is a good subject to hire them to HYIP's site and earn from their investment.
Even in early stage, we should not invest to HYIP. If everyone do that, HYIP could be collapsed and hard to exist again because lack of investor.

No, I don't have the guts and trust to them anymore. Though I know how their system works still I will not invest any of my money from them anymore. They destroyed the trust of my friends because of making me believe that they are real. It's a lesson learned to me already and even I will be on the top spot of this pyramid scam, it's a no.

even if you're sitting on top in the pyramid system, but if you're on other users and friends same as you do scaming on others. MLM will hurt anyone below including your downline

This is encouraging if someone offer me this type of deal probably I'll fall for it only if I don't read reviews about this investment.

And another thing is that if I don't experience on how their companies are supported with it's revenue from it's member.

I will not definitely be fooled on the same investment again with these MLM's scam.

Many MLM offer that promise us rich, I think this is reasonable because we must to hard work, I think there is nothing wrong with MLM, wrong is the person who like to abuse the system of MLM.

My personal preference is everyone having a percentage of overall profits. Basically the payment system Captain Ahab's ship, The Pequod, used in the book Moby Dick.

With set wages, there isn't much incentive for people to work harder or smarter.

If someone is paid $7 an hour, they're paid the same whether they work hard or slack off.

There isn't much incentive for them to work in the best interests of their employer.

Being paid a percentage of overall profits could give people incentive to do their job better as their wage is tied to the overall well being of the parent organization.

MLM's tend to mirror the executive format of fortune 500 companies in some ways, which could be said to reinforce wealth and wage inequality as CEO's are often paid exponentially more than they should for the amount of work they do.

MLM's might also be said to reward seniority more than hard work, which could in turn reinforce the type of glass ceiling which prevents deserving people from being promoted past a certain point.

The way MLM's are structured isn't as fair or balanced as they could be imo.

But like I said from the beginning, this is my personal preference. I'm sure there are those who disagree & have their own views.

actualy they already know about the system of MLM if they come on board I think they have to accept all the risks that exist when MLM reset. but it would be profitable if you are on the top

Accepting the risk and then you people are going to invite and take the risk too trying to recruit that for the sake of profit ? Even you know both of you are going to be scammed at the end if you really want to earn profit then you need to learn more about investment in trading where you can earn there more than. What you deserve there.

No, even if I knew beforehand that I will profit from it I think it is immoral to profit form the disgrace of others, so I will avoid dealing in any kind of dirty business like that since I like the idea of sleeping without any worries in my mind.

You will obtain a profit in MLM if you are on and have a lot of referrals but you should be able to fool a lot of people so that they would bargabung but I am sure this way would sin

:D

I'd like to say, never recommend to Invest in HYIP and you shouldn't think member in here are stupid you can fool to join under you. Indirectly, you have recommended bad way to get profit in MLM with doing some trick  ::) (Just leave away from HYIP/MLM)

Yes and those people that are your down lines will blame you when the company started to collapse. And the money that they invested will be given to them again and you are going to use your own pocket on it if that happens. You ruined their trust and you will also need to pay their investment for getting their money again.

youre write is real MLM, is real MLM only can product selling can get reward and retrun, and product price is standard not very expensive
so you can get reward if you can selling and youre downline can selling product
you can get earn only selling product, not downline pay for you

if MLM ponzy site is bad, you can get earn only can find referal , and you can get earn from fee register youre downline

I was never interested in invest MLM, it is because it's been a lot of negative news about MLM. Even in my place in the jail because MLM founder proved to deceive many people. MLM is a scam, do not ever believe.

First of all, I would like to mention that a CEO is different from someone that is at the top of an MLM pyramid. Those that are at the top of MLM pyramid are those that joined first and recruited enough people to have enough people working under them. In a way, both the CEO and the guy at the top of MLM pyramid worked hard. The main difference is that MLM's guy at the top is determined by seniority like what you said and a CEO is voted by the board and he can be just a new guy that have made a really large impact to the company.

You said that in your idea, people will earn the same thing regardless if they work hard or if they slack off. A company that's built like that will eventually fall off. People are going to depend on those people that works hard. Once those people that work hard gets over or gets done with those that just slack off and get paid the same amount, they will start slacking off as well. Because you know, why work hard when you can just slack off. It's the other way around of what you're saying. People will not work hard because what they earn is depending on them as a whole and not as individual. People are lazy and they will depend to the hard workers and nothing else.

But of course we can just stick with the usual, you get paid what you deserve. ;D

MLM will run away with all of the money. but they're need to attract more people to invest on his site and will be fool a lot of the people and run away with his money and it's really bad to get on the MLM scheme.

it's not just a news , but it's a fact!
some people with low knowledge about investment world will fall into this ,
as long as you stay careful and smart enough you will not get in ,
the service like this is confirmed have no benefit.

No I don't invest in any MLM company that has a registration fee for you to become a member, especially in online mlm most of them are more in hyped and they are good in mind setting of individuals, they have the power of convincing others to join in their business. And these are more in referral program and this is their scheme system always. they earn only if someone get involve to their company. Therefore, no recruit, no profit.

Correctly. I also lost some money in the pyramids several times and do not want to take any more risks. Only the creators of this project can profit there.

Anyone who puts money in is supporting the scheme and all of the returns that they get will be dirty money from naive later investors, often people who were referred into the scam.

Since we are basically talking about scammers what makes you think, that even if you were to drive lots of people there, they will honor the promises and the terms established to those that bring people to them? They are probably going to scam you as well.

I've seen a few different stripes of MLM scheme. Some actually generate value, like the ones that sell the offbrand products, or privately made products. If you can generate customers, you can actually make value in the system (not just extract it from others in the system). But for the ones that are  thinly veiled Ponzi schemes; yes, this is blood money.

Eventually, some of the people are trying to plunge his close person to get in that terrible place, We should be aware it. Some of the people are pushing another person to get in that place just try to make his amount will be cash out for fast. This way to push his investment in the HYIP scheme. That's just for fool another people.

If an MLM business works similar to affiliate programs then there would be no possibility of getting scammed with them.

Unfortunately most of the MLM schemes are coming with no actual business, yes they are coming with no product but circulating the money is their main business. This kind of MLMs should be avoided because those ponzi may get is landed in scamming.

But still both version is not healthy business in my opinion.
The fair business should have a win win solution, i mean both sides should have get profit that makes sense.
In MLM the system looks really shady not transparent , the point is that really about collecting money other people and run when they think it is enough.

Most of the MLM schemes are going Ponzi just because there focus is to make money, not to serve the entire user community who believe in it and try to earn. These days the attraction that's been created by the MLM were the payment in the form of bitcoin. I never trust in these MLM's because only very few of about one in fifty seems trustworthy.

Your question itself is not very well composed

More specifically, you consider a situation from a purely hypothetical point of view (which you admit yourself), and at the same time ask us for a non-hypothetical reply. Therefore, I don't think that it is a correct question. It is like asking how long ago you stopped beating your wife if didn't have a wife in the first place. Purely hypothetical and on purely economic grounds, yes, it might make sense to invest in such a scheme, but in reality you can't know how long this scheme is going to be paying out (unless you are the guy behind its creation, of course)

In the beginning the MLM system is very good in paying the pioneers but let us examine where are they taking the money for payout, of course it comes from the new members. MLM system is a kind of pyramid scheme that attracts the attention of the public to join as it promises big returns. They have good presentations that will make ther prospects excited and join the system and later found out that it is hard to sell their product. MLM is a tool for the company to sell their products fast while taking advantage of the weaknesses and the desire for profit of the members. If I dont have a conscience I will join an MLM and will enjoy the money coming from the pocket and hardship of the members below me. STOP MLM it is a scam.

I never invested in MLM schemes, many of friends are doing MLM business they are making enough money from it. But we have to spend many hours in the conference to spread a word about the product and income we are getting through schemes, only a few people will show interest towards MLM.

Even MLM is very difficult to get referrals under us because the value of products will be high and those products will not attract people.

No i don't think all the MLMs are like that. Some of the MLM companies does have very affordable price and their products are very attractive. To be honest, I already tried doing multi level marketing or MLM and for me it is a good experience because i was able to earn good amount of money that is enough to buy at least 5 bitcoins.

I did this before. I was earning a lot from it at first and was able to withdraw it at the perfect time every time. However, I got unlucky in the end and I invested it in MLMs that easily shutdown and ran. Some even ran on the first day. So in the end I didn't really earn a lot. Though, if I just key my earnings from the first few investments then I could have walked away in profits.

Majority of people really fall to that scheme and I admit Im one of them too. That was the day that Im finding a less work with easy money as a reward, a totally newbie to anything and just want to earn without putting much work and effort.

But good thing I fall for that system because that is my turning point and I learned from that experience. Sometimes we really need to have a bad experience before finding the right way to deal with online income opportunities.

Mlm for me is very untrusted one business because there are lot of companies which is MLM, that are more on ponzi scheme, and scam. Particularly, when bitcoin became trend in the Internet other MLM create something that they can have a victim again that will related into bitcoin.

Yes true, when we exposed a scam of course we became evil and will eventually be looking for victims, it is best if we ever become a victim's heart should be so sincere heart.

There is no difference between the person that knowingly participated in an MLM scam and the owners of the scam. Participating gives the owners more leverage to scam more people. Its best to avoid such

I wouldn't. It's gambling.

To whom should we be angry?
After all, we initially understood that this was a grail. The time will come and the pyramid will fall apart. But before its collapse you can earn. All who take risks must remember that there is a high probability of losing

I think they are not going to think about it. the most important thing for them will get the profit. That's why I call investors and upline as people who do not have a heart taking advantage by trouble of people

All these businesses do not have any working model instead they just want to take money from one person and pass it to others until they get sufficient profit. And once when they are unable to bring new people to the system they will close the site and come up with another one. It is a complete scamming system, so I will not put any money in this scheme whether it is the beginning or later stage.

Yeah it is ,people who have no heart about on peoples hard earning just for them to earn profit is a very bad thing .
I as an investor i don't invest in mlm if i know it is scam because you first is i will lost my money ,second i need to invite other people and what more if those people knows you ,the time when you will help them or say anything they will not believe at all . So for me if you are desperate need of money help yourself as you help others but not in a scam ways.

No and never , MLM are only scam . Here the MLM is only the thing where you can see the upper level people are making lots of money but lower are getting into hardwork only .
It is just a matter of thing that how did the people will generate money in the MLM business .
It is just like the Ponzi scheme of the site that gives the return of 109-200% a month ;) that is totally scam and the site run continuously until the investment became slow.

To be fair with MLM people. I can say that not all MLM business is clearly a scam because most of them are good investment because they have a good product and they offer good opportunity for us to earn a lot of money by just doing networking or recruiting other people to be included in your team and that is why MLM is like a short cut for other people to be rich or get a lot of money so for me it is not clearly a scam for all MLM business because there is still MLM business that are good and worth to try.

Well honestly MLM companies real way of earning money is not really about their products but on how many people join and sign up to them as recruits to other people, which is called their upline. There are no real losers here except when the company goes bust or you as a person won't be active recruiting other people. The only bad thing I see about MLM or Networking is that some people try to blind people with promises of being rich so that they can join to be part of their downline and then later on leave them without any help or whatsoever.

Yes, there you can actually earn money unlike pyramids. But there you need to work hard and invite new people. Many promise a very huge income, but they themselves have not even reached this level. I do not like this pattern of earnings.

I don't know about how real is earning money in MLM schemes (I don't participate in any)

But you either don't know what such a scheme essentially amounts to or deliberately try to make it look as if MLM had nothing to do with them, while in fact it is the embodiment or epitome of a pyramid scheme. It may be hidden deep inside and not seen to the naked eye, but its main characteristic, i.e. receiving (some part of) the money from the people you recruit is nevertheless still present. I'm utterly curious how many people cannot see that

MLM program is a bad experince for me. Well, it is tantamount to a scam site that makes us work hard. Well, at first they said that we were going to get rich quick, but, the reality is not like that. for now, I would not invest BTC I have again into the MLM program

Yes only if I have some extra bitcoins to spare.  Ponzi are only good on early and middle stages and then the company will suddenly close or just don't pay at all.  Such as bitminer.io it was paying a while back but now it doesn't.

Of course yes! That is great opportunity and I have tried one of them in mining stuff. Because these people try gain trust of people initially and try to get more customer base so that they will get big money it runs and poses for first few days to months. When they get enough money or at least money above their break even point they shut their websites/services and of course that turns into scam one. However, if you look at brighter side of this you will find it is great opportunity to get more out of it (of course with great risk) but good profits. I invested in MLN of mining site who paid me daily bitcoins for my investment and I enjoyed earning it. When I saw some posts where people said it is scam and not paying anymore I cashed out every dime of mine and I enjoyed the royalty. BTC :) So yes if you think you can take out your hand as soon as you think it is right time then go for it.

What you are describing is not an MLM scam

It is another more primitive, less lasting, and thus more scammy enterprise than an MLM scheme. The scheme you are talking about doesn't involve recruiting new participants (hence the name, i.e. multilevel marketing) where you get paid by the folks you manage to lure into this "business", Usually, MLM shebangs like Herbalife involve selling some crappy stuff at high prices and thus they can, at least theoretically, run indefinitely long (if done right)

they are clearly a scam. they will be reset at some time, if you were in the bottom of course you will only get the loss.

Better not to waste your precious time,effort and bitcoins with them. Whether you are in their first phase or early part still they can still run from their investors. There is no guarantee if you will join them at early stage and they will keep on remaining as a scam, so for me it's better to avoid this type of investments.

Many people are into MLM, always promoting their investment site that offers a return of investment. But, for me I rejected not to join in this ponzi scheme. Because it will turn out a scam, a wasted of effort, time and money. So i rather save my money in the future.

Correct, even bringing people to those scams is morally wrong since you know very well that those people are scammers so any single person someone brings there is going to lose any money they invest at that site, that is why it is better to stay away from it.

No still not because a mlm will always be a scam for me. Not that i've become one of their victim, it's just i don't believe on long term passive income.

In vain you do not believe in it. I participate in such projects. But I can not say that this is a passive income. At the first stage, you need to make efforts to build your team. But in the future this really turns into a passive income

Yes, pyramids can be masked under MLM. Now, almost every day new companies open and allegedly provide guarantees of huge earnings, but in fact they are the usual fraudulent schemes.

This is a Scam. You are actually deceiving people. The efforts you are making are intended to lure money from people. I myself do not participate in such scams and do not advise others to contact the scammers.

Yes, it can also be considered a scam, because you need to lure people and have to lie to them. I hate to cheat making money, it's better to do honest business or investments.

It depends, he doesn't necessarily has to be deceiving. I've seen people that know exactly what they're getting into and still do it. They are willing to take the risk of being scammed, because in the past some of these deals brought them profits. If you're referring someone and telling them straight away how it works, there's no deception and no luring.

I was contacted recently about one in an early stage and I declined it because even with MLM schemes there are so many that fail completely and never catch on. If you were lucky and got in early at onecoin you made a shit ton ( if they even let you get it out), but there are so many where you would have just lost everything even if you got in at the bottom.

Because the MLM is offering a referral reward for those who'd like to invite another people to the MLM or Ponzi scheme. That really sucks because the referral hunters are trying to fool another people and especially for the new crypto adopters to play on that shit. For the people are knowing what is the mlm scheme and they will be stay away from it.

Yes, I was engaged before in MLM scheme, by that time I really hate MLM, but because they are good in hyped many are get interest to invested to their company. And they are good in deliberation of making promises to anyone. But once you get in, there marketing system is more on referral program, and registration fee before you become a member, then you can never earn until you get one new recruit, which is insane, no recruit then no profit you will get. And in the end I realize the scheme like that was a ponsi scheme too late for me to discover it. :-[

If it's still in early stage, yes i would like to invest my bitcoins/money into MLM. I know MLM is really sucks, because you need to find member to join under your line, but since it's still early stage, i can easily find many members that like MLM things to join under my name. The thing is never invest in MLM for long run, it's really dangerous.

Most of the new crypto people they would like to earn something instant without doing anything like MLM does and they were not suffering about losses or something before following MLM. We shouldn't brainwashed newbie with MLM because it clearly scam in the first place.

No, I will not make investments in a MLM scam website although I know it early stage
because making investments on there will makes bad habit even if i get profit will become addiction
for more investing because of in first stage i am safe. It is dangerous habit in investments.

Well that's so normal this days they want instant money even you try to explain them that most of that MLM was scam . I never knew when i started that kind of sites are scam because it last longer for a years ,but then it scams . Many mlm not only sites but some of altcoins are making to gather people who will believe and invest on them as a HYIP sites. One thing is clear money is earned by hard work and by learning some skills in the right sites .

Moreover the addiction of investing in this scams, it will also provide motivation to the scammers who owns/initiate such scams. Because probability is that they will earn money scamming the end users, and they will be trying again to do the same.

If you tell people how exactly it works, it will be something like this: "I was deceived and/or manipulated by someone and that's how I ended up here. Now, it's time for me to deceive other people so I can get back the money I've invested and hopefully even get some profit."

Seriously, if in the start MLM scams say that they are just using the money of those people that are below them to issue a payout, there will be no member at all in their network except those people that are really greedy.

When you ask people to join an MLM scam without deception or manipulation, no one is going to join you. Just think about it. MLMs say that you can earn millions from their "business" yet they are still earning dust. They use the people that have made success from scamming people and say that you can be like that person one day.

A scam is a scam, no matter in what stage!
I do not want to make money from the misfortune of other people, even when I know the only reason they participate is because they are greedy.
That would make me no better than them!

Yes and MLM scam is not good investments but it is more bad than gambling in my opinions
and I don't want take feels gambling when make investments
but it is more bad than gambling, it is good be called criminal than investments,
 the other impact will go to bitcoin will be called place for criminal.

Long term passive income does exist but it is very difficult to get, for example if you write a book and it is successful then you will get some earnings every month for the rest of your life, since you only need to write the book once then this is long term passive income, but as you see writing a book people want to read is very difficult.

MLM companies are not a scam in the first place. They always make their things legal by always featuring their products which they will declare that it is their main priority than the recruiting fee it rewards to their up line. They can get away with it as they have a product that they are saying it is what they are selling. The only way the company fails is when there are no more recruits but the up lines are still earning money through their bonuses. Also MLM companies that disappear quickly are the ones who have failed to market their company therefore not having enough income to share to the investors. 

People often confuse MLM with a Ponzi scheme though as the two have similar traits, so we might as well treat this thread as referring to a Ponzi scheme.

For me it's all about the ethics of investing in it.  Sure, it's a risky investment, but those who put money in early can actually earn quite a lot sometimes, so all that really matters is whether you think it's moral.

On the one hand, there's the fact that all of your earnings will be from people who joined too late and most of them will have lost their money, which some people might be uncomfortable with.  However, if you don't refer anyone and support the scheme in that way, it might still be morally acceptable to invest in the scheme because you aren't making more people invest in it yourself.  I might consider it, but I much prefer legitimate investments just because of the fear of putting my money with someone who most likely intends to scam me.

You should ask this instead: would you steal money from others or not with the risk of losing money yourself? and you need to realize one thing, do you want to earn money without working and without knowing where that money came from? I don't care if it's a MLM business or pyramid scheme/scam you must make sure what are you going to feed your family with, whether some people losing in order for you to earn or not.

Hahaha will I invest in a scam!? No! Never! That's riskier than investing in a legitimate business because you know it's a scam rather than you hope they do well. They will probably just scam everyone and not wait if they're brand new. Obviously. Omg what a dumb idea.


There is a huge risk you'll be scammed because you know they're scammers!! It's 100% the exact ippo of no risk, but if you don't get scammed miraculously somehow then you just stole from someone else.

I will invest but with a small amount. If i get my interest, I will withdraw everything. Just repeat that and remember that all of these bitcoin investment sites especially hyips will turn into scam before a month so might as well outsmart them.

I also do that with the past investments sites that i get in and most of the them are hyips. I have a site which gives me different informations about the newly launched investment sites and i just go to that site and create an account and invest an average amount of money then i just recruit other people to make my earnings faster then i withdraw my capital and my earnings then ran off.

That's just their way out of prison. You can't sew them because they are going to say that they are just simply selling their products and you get discounts when you join. When you join, you get a product and you get to earn bonus for every people that you recruit. I wonder if these companies even pay taxes, tbh. And even if they pay tax, they would probably just pay taxes for the product that they were selling. Let's face it, the products are nothing but a distraction and the heart of every MLM are the referrals and nothing else.

I actually think that MLMs that disappeared simply went to a different place. Some place where there's no MLM companies before, probably somewhere rural; probably at some province where they can persuade people easier since earning on those places is harder. Everyone wants quick money so they join MLMs thinking that they can earn anything at all.

True though you are on the future and make you secure. but using this method is not recommended because it will hurt people below you. many people say that MLM is a business by making others lose to your advantage

Whatever the schemes of mlm business that promise you high profits, as long as the ask you to find and collect referral, don't ever invest your money on it. If it's legit, they will find another good way to attract more people. But if you insist to invest in some mlm because you fall in love with their promise, make sure you join when they were just starting to safe your money back. Everyone knows, this kind of business will die sooner or later. And before their going to be scam, you've got your money back with the profit.

i think we don't have this chance as that MLM is scamming us in the early stage and we can not withdraw anything we invest. i think, for hyip programs, if the programs is start in less than 10 days, then there will be a chance for us to get our money back plus with the profit. but if we are join after 10 days or more, then be ready to get scamming because this is what i am learn in my past.

Yes, I was invested before in MLM company were ther marketing plan was design in referral program scheme, and recruitment base profit according to their marketing. And most of the time their system like that is never stand long last.

Referring people is bad.  Investing in Ponzi schemes could be okay though, provided that you're comfortable with the fact that you'll be getting dirty money from bad people.

It is not bad.  It depends on the motives why you refer people.  There are instances you refer people to those who can help them specially when they are looking for jobs.  It is only a bad thing if the motive is to exploit them and get commission out of their investment.


How can you say referring people is a bad thing and investing in Ponzi is ok.  That seems contrasting.  Ponzi scheme are proven to be bad if moral is to consider.  This means we are to take profit at a cost of others lost.

Hell No, I believe in karma and certainly dont want it coming back and hurting me in the near future. When you refer someone money that they will lose will eventually be on your head, some will even invest their life savings and be in debt when it becomes apparent its scam and it will all because you knew it and yet because of a little profit referred them.

I don't think there's an assurance that you'll get your money back just because the MLM is new. There's even no assurance if you're going to ROI no matter how long or how short an MLM company has been running. The only way you'll get your money back is to refer people which basically means scamming them since the business itself is a scam.

If the MLM company is just new, it's quite harder to refer people since they don't know what company is it. It's easier to recruit if the company has been running for quite a decent amount of time and has a good reputation. On the other hand, if the guy you're talking to knows how this scheme works, then you can never recruit him.

The duration of period depends on the output of the investors stats of the said MLM companies. So no specific time as even more than 10 days, a HYIP or any ponzi scheme can continously pay to make sure more investors will come and will eat the bait. Also it really depends on the owner when they will show their true color.

In most of the cases, if they see good output within a few days, they will continue to operate to gain more deposits. That's why they makeup some long term plan which as far as my knowledge concerned averaging from 30 days above before investors gained profits. But if ever while on operation and they reached a good amount that can consider as making them rich, obviously they will go out anytime.

It was also present in real world especially here in our country. Tired of explaining to them what is the output if they joined so I think the best thing to do is to make them feel what investing in MLM really does.

If I was to invest in something like an MLM scam then you can be sure has hell it would have to be at most days after ti started and I would maybe, at best, be involved for a week until I saw enough value in leaving and leave with what I can.

There's no way that I would ever come close to sticking something like that out to the end. I would have absolutely no shame in taking my money and running if the time was right and I would come out with at least a net zero change to what I went in with.

Apparently referring it is mostly optional in this kinds of scheme. So whenever if you join into something like this with the knowledge on the risk you are taking then better not invite someone. Even though I know that MLM is a risky investment but most of them aren't at the first then later became a scam. So i rather join in into it at the start then quit after the first withdrawal.

Considering referral schema, I'd rather go to the casino and bet everything on red than spend my life and sacrifice most of my relations to achieve some silly plans. What mostly repels me from MLM is the necessity of focusing not on the attractiveness of the stuff you are going to sell, like in normal business, but on convincing people that it's actually worth to overpay and/or join your network. I'm afraid, that from some point it is necessary to lie to people to reach your target.

That "some" point that you're talking about is right from the start. You're lying to them that you can earn that much from the company when in reality, only the guys that started the company can achieve such success. Some even create a video to show an example of an MLM member that have made fortune from it. But in reality, they had to lie and they had to destroy various relationships just to get at that point. If that's something that you're willing to sacrifice, then MLM might be for you.

Anyone who has common sense will ask "Then where's all these wealth that you're talking about?" to the person that are trying to scam them into joining an MLM network. I'm pretty sure 99% of the MLM member don't have the things that they are showing off.

In the first place knowing that a mlm is a scam why would you invest on it ? Unless your aim is only to earn or to make people believe at you to join you for you to earn so it will be a double scam and its not a good thing for you to earn . I don't invest on that ponzi sites now i learned on it it will just run for a matter of days or weeks then run the money we invest and i don't want people told me that i am one of the scammer because of promoting and inviting them into a scam.

I think OP is making a mistake by tagging all MLM or  as a Ponzi scheme. The real Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) or affiliate marketing outfits do actually have tangible products they sell in addition to the referral bonuses they offer. This is quite different from schemes that encourage participants to pull money/resources or bitcoin together to grow some other participants' contribution without marketing any tangible products. That is a clear Ponzi scheme and a scam.

 That said, I won't invest in such a scheme knowing full well that it is a scam. A good name is better than dubiuos riches.

A scam is a scam.Early investors may get profit from them but as a responsible community member, I would never promote anything knowingly which is a scam.

I'd rather consider this as a disguise

In other words, if you remove this tangible asset from the whole scheme you will get the same Ponzi where the first comers receive money by selling some shit at absurd prices to the next comers. The difference is purely quantitative, one of degree. In outright scams, the tokens used for transferring value (say, MMM vouchers) are purely virtual while things used in MLM schemes are tangible and allegedly have some utility, after all. But inside, it is still the same good old pyramid scheme. It doesn't crash all at once simply because the tangible assets used there have some value on their own, i.e. their value can't fall below their true market value

You should never be interested at any stage. I think it's fair to stay away from MLM's and HYIP's as they might ripoff a friend or family if not you this time around.

Are you sure about what you are saying? Investing in ponzi schemes should not be tolerated and it's bad to encourage people to invest there because they are going to get scammed in the end. Whether you'll be in first stage or not it's better not to try it out because many people did experience on how they scammed their investors.

No, because you are willingly creating your wealth at the expense of others.

How could I live with that knowing that every cent I spend is directly due to the suffering of others.

very well said mate, if you believe with karma it will go back to you whatever you did if you earn from that ponzi which you already knew was bad then expect the consequence of suffering too, its the money came from those people who invested with it and hoping that they will earn in returned.

For me I will actually invest in early stage but after reading this I think no now. Because your right sir you will just spend the money of others that suffering because they're money has been scam, This is a good answer that I read. I will not invest in MLM that is a scam because if I invest in them I can call myself a scammer too.

That is right when we join any MLM companies in the beginning then we become corrupt as the company since we will be fishing the hard earned money of the new members. Its like we are stepping on them in able for us to gain a huge profit. We can become rich but at the sake of their losses. If we dont have a conscience then we will not mind the suffering of people in order for us to earn.

I've invested inside a MLM scheme a long time ago and made a few bucks from it. The whole thing just isn't worth it in the end because it ruins reputation and the money isn't that much to begin with. The person at the top of the Company of MLM's make so much money because of the people promoting the products and it doesn't matter if the person is a good promoter or not since there's usually 4 or more other top promoters within the company working for the CEO.

Im also onto that kind of Scam Schemes way back last year and i hate people who do that businesses to lie and fooled the people who wil join in them .definitely the owner and the top members will earn so much and the ones who were the last suffers all to make money for other people on top of that pyramid scam scheme . I have recently experience it on bitcoins HYiPS or Ponzi.

Well, I don't know if I should doubt you. But all I know is that I am a participant of an MLM. And so far, so good. The company has returned almost have of what I invested within six months in products and in cash.

MLMs are different from HYIP sites, MLM companies really have a product that they sell to people but what people really want in this company is how to earn money by recruitment. Recruiting other people is a good thing to earn money but the bad side of this is some up lines don't care to the down lines after they recruited it making some enemies along the way. That is one of the problems with MLM companies they allow recruitment but they don't actually help the new members to earn the money back they pay for the membership, they will always say that they need to be independent in order to be successful in this line of work.

I partially agree about karma, but I look at it from a real point of view. Encouraging MLM scam in early stage even if high chance of profit means you make MLM scam more and more successful, bring losses to more people and profit only to few. For long-term success especially for bitcoin it needs more people profit and few people lose.

It's possible that the products they are giving you really don't worth as much as they tell you. So they can create the illusion that you're getting as much as you paid for initially. The products can also just be food supplements with very little or no effect to our body at all. In other words, the products that they are giving you can be just a repackaged product and are really cheap.

You got cash because you were able to recruit somebody. It's like a congratulatory message telling you that you did a great job manipulating some people and ultimately scamming them. Six months and you still haven't got your ROI? That doesn't sound good to me. You're still in negative profit if you think about it.

What is karma and how would a scammer get to that stage. I would not really risk my money to enter in any scams or MLM schemes as i do not want to test my money ,there are several other ways to make money and only greedy people who wants to make more money at a very short time would want to try their luck in those sort of situations.

Agreed that most scammers doesn't really believe on karma but I know someday karma will hit them. On the other hand, I'd like to join a MLM schemes especially if they are on their early stage depending on how serious they want to do those things. Most serious MLM schemes doesn't scam for atleast 2-3 stages because they need to gain some trust unto people. You might wanna say I'm greedy but in fact that's how gambling works too.

Welcome to Herbalife, bro

When I had been learning at the university some time ago, my roommate got recruited into this scheme. He bought some crappy supplements from them but since he wasn't that kind of a public person that could easily persuade anyone to follow him, he ended up consuming all that expensive crap himself. He was also initially quite enthusiastic about his future prospects in this "company" (they had some gatherings) but somehow his enthusiasm came to nought eventually

I do not if there are fraudulent because just like I am more stupid than people I cheated.

if you guys do?

Gatherings AKA the events where they brain wash the hell out of you. They are going to train you like a lab rat. When you recruit someone, you get a reward, you get validation from the "company". They are all congratulating for your hard work. Most people really think that these "companies" is a start of something. They use the words "business", "freelance", "check (cheque)" which all make them sound as if they are a successful international company (e.g. "I just got my weekly cheque from my freelancing business", although low-key that cheque is just worth a couple of bucks). Then the most raped example there is in every MLM is the guy that dropped out of college, focused on his "career" (MLM scam career), and made millions. I still wonder if this guy actually exists.

The only part that matters to MLM recruiters is the initial part of your journey. You get excited, motivated, and inspired, so you join the scam. After that, they don't care about you anymore. They are going to find the next batch of dumb people to scam.

That's literally what the Chinese are doing.

There are people making a shit ton of money from MLMs like Mr. Mavrodi's MMM scheme, as well as other "revenue sharing" schemes that seemed to good to be true to an average Joe like me.

But all of these people who are making money are taking money out of innocent, unknowing people.

Worst of all, they are actually promoting that scam to more people so that they get referral commissions.

I wouldn't do it, it's too risky and it's morally wrong.

Yeah in the first week or month i will directly join into them.I have been investing to this investment type and also in HYIP's online and im doing this kind of strategy.Im joining in the early stage of the site because i already observed that this sites mostly pay from the start and gently scam people.If you join in the early stage you can benefit and earn money from it.

agree with you, maybe you'll get lucky when joining MLM in the beginning of time, but you get the profit from the losses of others, I think karma will probably happen lol

This kind of money isn't welcome, as you said, karma will probably happen...

In never saw anyone having success from these investments where people are lured to lose money. It's different from gambling where you know about the risks and you know the consequences. This MLM Ponzi scheme promises 100% sure returns and scams everyone after. It's not good even for the scam owner as he can be arrested, banned from countries or worse, be murdered by criminals or by unhappy investors...

Karma, in literal meaning, is just a spiritual belief that in a summary goes like "what you give you get back".

I use karma in practical sense of this discussion, because in financial world and in crypto, what you give, you somehow will get back. It's logical that is all.

Definitely not.

Because when you are investing in a ponzi scheme like that, you know that you are making money out of the expense of others, whether they are like you knowing the site is a scam or the don't.

Especially with referral competitions and commissions in these sites, it can be tempting for you to tell all your friends to invest in the site even though you know that it is likely to only benefit you and they will lose their money.

And for that, i definitely won't invest in any of these ponzi schemes, even if it just launched and i have the opportunity to make some money out of it.

Never try to join on the MLM ponzi on the early stage if you are not want to lose your amount. Investing on the early stage is very risky. It looks just try stole another people's money. To make your queue to be fast and you must make another person try to join on the ponzi site, i can say being a liar for another people.

Ofcourse if I got the opportunity at the top of the start of MLM then surely I will join and Invest , Because this is the pure way of making money without scam , the reality behind the MLM is that it is scam only because a group of network of the MLM can't produce money .
The earnings for the uper rank person came from the lower level Investment , that is really is like a scam to loot the person who joined in the last .
But everyone knows that people can't stop himself from.the Ponzi Investment , so here it is more better to invest at first .

First of all there is always a risk that the promised return will never be given to you. It is not something that is odd at all when an "investment" company offers you 10% monthly and you think that they're running a ponzi scheme ,and you're investing into the scheme because you feel like they will pay at least the first few investors, right? No, if every ponzi scheme was that way then every ponzi investor would be rich, LOL.

Secondly, you have to deal with the guiltiness of knowing that you have done something wrong , and in my opinion , it is not worth it. You're only getting, like something like $10 a month, and you're getting that $10 out of someone else's investment.

It really sucks when you know even if you win in a game , you are doing it because someone else is LOSING.

That is why I always avoid ponzis , even when it is new and looks promising.

I think not all MLM ponzi
several MLM is real company, real selling, real product, without selling you can't reveive payment
without fee register only real selling product

I suggest that to stay away in MLM early or not because you'll not get your 100% ROI back even you join in early stage. Tried it before and it did not end well once someone invested a large amount of Bitcoin they just run.

They are just the same as pyramid ponzi scheme like MMM global.. that i think better to go in trading instead if you really want to make profit the risk is low not the same as investment site like MLM and MMM.

IN my opinion, I think we should never involve in this kind of activity even if you can get your ROI %100. Investing in those stupid scheme means supporting it and makes it stronger over time. We should encourage people not believing in these such thing and ddos them all so that they will disappear on this planet on and for all

It is a gamble still but with higher percantage of getting paid if you invest at the first hours or days of the MLM site.Just like what i have seen with other ponzi mlm they pay their members in the start of their site and then scam people in maybe a 1 or 2 or some last for a month of paying and then turning to scam real fast

Correct. There is risk of losing money in MLM scams however with calculated risk one could earn decent amount of money. 

Even it is only at its early stage i will never invest in any kind of mlm. Cause ive been in some mlm before and i know what they do to our money. I invested 0.05 and got nothing in return.

no i wouldn't invest in that MLM or some kind like HYIP which have chance to be scam  :'(, because it's high risk and it's morally wrong  . and I think it's worse than gambling   CMIIW  ;D

It most likely was a HYIP. There is generally almost impossible to get something. And in MLM you basically need to cheat other people by promising them a huge income, but it's better not to waste time on it.

Yeah investing in these kinds of things is like investing on Ponzi doubler or tripler sites that leads to scamming people but most of it usually pays for the first week investors and later end scamming people. So I rather invest in MLM in early stage and trust my luck.

Yes, I am also experienced to invest in MLM before but that was 8 years ago. Investing in MLM is too risky and dangerous, most of them are  are ponzi scheme designin terms of markeing. And aside from Onecoin there is previous a ponzi scheme which same thing aspect of onecoin which TBC the Billion coin/

I will never invest in an MLM scam even at early stage.  Moral said it is better to work hard and earn than lure people into scam and earn.  Most MLM people bragged about their system as working smart but  luring people into a ponzi scheme just to earn money is not smart working that is wicked work.

Karma is terrible, if you do such a thing you can be sure that at some point things are going to turn bad, scammers scam that is what they do, if you know that you are investing in something that is a scam at some point you are going to miss and you are going to get scammed too.

Yes. Money must be earned honestly, otherwise you can lose everything and even something more valuable than money.

For real! That is definitely just as bad. Anyway if its a scam then that means if they see you put in a huge amount of money even if they don’t know you are trying to take advantage of them they could still not give you any returns and make an exception for your case because they will earn so much.

Everybody else will continue to get returns so they don’t believe only one person that wines about it being a scam. So that is a bad idea on multiple fronts.

MLM are not always "scams".

One of the best examples is this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avon_Products
It is by definition a a multi-level marketing company.

There are a lot of accusations about it but there is nobody who will claim it is a ponzi scheme.

And about "early stage". How we decide what is early if we talk about a business established in 1886?

No i will not invest in MLM even in the early stage because it just risky and it may turned to scam even in the early stage so it will be a high risk for me to loss money so i will just avoid those sites and keep focusing on the non MLM sites and to those legit sites that are good in paying for me consistently rather than risking in just a poor MLM scam.

Yes, there are real companies that pay. But earnings there are very small. Perhaps those who came in the beginning of earnings more.

Investing in some MLM scam might be a good idea, if you enter in it quickly, freshly after creation of website.
If you can do that, now you have to find a way to collect as many referrals as possible, through every possible path no matter what: social media, bitcoins forums, gambling sites, literally anything.
You also need to have really good marketing skills- for example, persuading people to go into the programme with a big pile of money isn't easy, you have to do it correctly.

But the most important thing is do you really want to involve all this people into losing their money on some stupid project, that really doesnt offer anything except MLM scheme ( ponzi )?
The answer to this question is only up to you, if you want to live with knowledge that some of the people you suggested it, have lost their life savings for that.

Be honest people, dont earn money on someone's wounds, make them by yourself with a hard work.

The MLM that we are discussing here are the ones that's increasing in population these days just like MMM company. Multi-level marketing like Avon have legit products and people can only earn from selling those. They don't have to recruit anyone and I doubt that the members will earn from recruiting somebody else since that will just increase the competition in their area. Sellers don't want that, they want to be the only seller in their place so people will only buy from them. This is the MLM that you know is legit. The one that really requires you to sell product and nothing else. MLM's that's discussed here only allows you to earn through recruitment of new members.

Multi-level marketing aka: a pyramid scheme is never a legitimate business. Avon, Tupperware, those stupid smelly things, candles and shit are all scams to try and lure housewives into buying more useless crap for their home so they can be that stereotypical 50's house wife.

Obviously I'm not investing in that crap. It's worthless. Just because something had a real physical product doesn't mean it's not a shady awful crap-on-your-shoe business.

Mostly no because there are 2 cases either the mlm wants to run for long run or scam in short run. As for now most of them are for short term so investing your money will simply go in vein. I hope you remember forexparadise they ran for some 2 years and then finally disappeared.

Such companies promise very good earnings and impose unnecessary products. This is only for those who want easy money.

Indirectly, you're helping those sites to scam and stole their money also it might affect to Bitcoin's starter. We should not invest in those sites in the first place because you will earn nothing yet just losses.

Yes. You do not need to support fraudulent schemes of earning, you need to earn honest way. If there is no demand, then all these scammers will simply cease to exist.

Lol you do not have to think about a reply or karma. You've been trying to get the advantage that with as upline, and profits will worhted with what you're doing

In the early stage? you mean the person who will not know that what is MLM then my answer is that they will invest if they have some money to invest and their friends convince them to invest in it.

While if you are talking about the site early stage for experts and you mean that in the start they will like to pay then I think it is also not good because it is just relying on admin choice and will be a path to the owner to run away as if they will get money they will run and if no one will invest they will not have anything to run.

I do not prefer nor like any of the MLM scheme beacuse is designed in such a manner that I know insult not be able to achieve the targets . And wasting money unnecessary is something which needs to be avoided .

They're really dumb to believe of that promises by the scammer will become true in the future. all of the thing is need our effot to gain it. all of the ponzi is about a dream for every lazy person.

In my opinion, there are legal MLMs which usually give back value for the money invested by members via usable and effective products. However, of course, there are those that are just scam types that though have products the value maybe not much compared to the entry money required.

Now, there are really programs that are ponzi in nature meaning they won't last even for months. And we can see them all over online...some can die in a matter of weeks and then another new program will come in with some degree of variations and sometimes new features.

Knowing that something may not really last and can leave people holding empty bags, then I guess it would not be right o be a part of the program at all. It would be unethical, at the very least.

How does an MLM scam with usable products different from an MLM scam with a garbage product? I don't see any difference since the whole structure of the two still remains the same. Almost everything can be seen as a ponzi scam. Literally every zero-sum market can be seen as a ponzi scam. But looking at MLM's structure, there's a pyramiding scheme happening and you only get money whenever you recruit somebody which means it's upright a ponzi scam.

They are using the newcomers' money to pay their people therefore it's a ponzi scam regardless of the quality of the product they are giving out.

I participate in the international company MLM. The basis of this business is the crypto currency. You can buy a certificate for 0.01 bitcoin and sell it at the same price to new people. This is a very good way to earn. And there are many people who are interested in this business.

Even with Any MLM company with usable or non-zero-value product doing business without super marked up prices is running a scam.

But those are the exception rather than the rule since that is an international company it has been able to maintain that way to market its products but unless you have that big of a market MLM is probably not going to work and that is why MLM also has a bad image in the forum and other places.

that's the problem its been tag as a bad business and peoples thinking can't be change after a lots of incidents already happen around,
MLM should not be tolerated even you will able to earn a lot think of someone who will be left behind after the downfall happen, can
you imagine yourself enjoying while others are crying because they lose their hard earned money?

MLM is the cancer in the world of affiliate marketing, started with a view of something innovative and interesting MLM ended being nothing other than a huge ponzi. Referer has just one aim to make the money from their referrals and the whole system is nothing but a huge scam of money where the lowest ones in the ladder lose.

I would never be attracted to invest in MLM. even though it was profitable in the early stages, but the risk is very high as gamble, and I prefer to lose because of gambling than lose in MLM site, because it's more painful.

If you take a look at it, at all market that are zero-sum game, the weak and unfortunate ones loses money and those that are clever enough to take advantage of the situation are the only ones that really make money. For example, in an MLM that's built by referrals, you can simply go to a place where people don't know about MLM yet or a place where there's not that much MLM companies yet.

I really believe that people that are an upline of a certain city did this. They came from the city and then moved out to the province just to earn money from their MLM scam.

Multi-Level Marketing is kind of a genius plan to make a company work since there will be many sellers in a company. Unfortunately, people turned it into a ponzi scam which is kind of what we should expect.

Dude, they are smart. They have calculated all. They can run away anytime. Even after the opening of the MLM.

For me i would say yes i will invest at early stage of an MLM scam.Still its arisk but it has higher chance of getting paid as what i observed in mlm scams,they pay people for the first month of two then runs away after.

It sure is tempting to invest into a high paying MLM, especially at an early stage. But I would recommend you not to invest or if you can't resist the temptation. Then invest a small amount which you don't mind losing. Perhaps if things go as per plan, you might be able to make some money. But it better to avoid them so these scams will not come in future if everybody avoids them.

Hell no i will never put my money to scam investment yes mlm is good for now if you are in the top of referal program but when you already get your monthly income they will luck you up or will pending your cashout till the website turn into scam. SOO MAYBE its better to put money into gambling sites than wasting time on this.

its conscience that will ask you to use those money who belongs from other peoples hard work, but i guess you are just also taking your risk
like many people who already experience being scammed, better to stop supporting buds as they will continue doing this and scam more
people.

Because i don't want my friend to lose,
 so i will not invest as become affliate also got revenue on it.

But says exactly, if want fast money , early stage of MLM is good choice.

It depends on u, it is profitable but might lose your friend.

I agree with you, MLM is a good choice at an early stage. There are many good projects now that give knowledge about how to properly invite partners. In fact, it is not very hard. I do this business and it brings me a profit

Seniority is a good thing in MLMs because when you're at the top of the pyramid, the people below you would work for you. It would be something like a passive income. But seniority alone is not enough. Those people at the top of the pyramid also worked hard to scam people and then got lucky with their couple of recruits. They only need a bunch of good recruits to earn passive income and let the money role in.

You can also create your own pyramid just like them even when you're at the bottom part of the pyramid. You just have to do the same thing that they did. Scam tons of people and hope that some are motivated enough to scam even more people.

That is good for you that you invest in legil MLM because i tried investing in MLM but it already turn to scam all my investment and profit will take away that is why i choose to stay away or not to invest in that kind of investment.

Are you kidding me? Do you know when the site will be turned to the scam site, exactly?
It depends on the admin of the site If you're trying ti put your money on the early stage and they are trying to close his site at the early stage and you will not able to get your money back to your wallet.
I hope that's a joke.

Of course not. I am not a greedy money hunter that does invest into something when I know it's an obvious scam. One of my biggest mistake i made in bitcoin  is investing in an mlm program. i think if there is MLM which is indicated would be scam we should warning people to not invest at there and should not exploit the situation

The main difference and the why it is more painful to lose investment over gambling money, is that if you gamble and you are reasonable about it, you know from the beginning you are going to lose but when it comes to investing even if you know there is the possibility of losing, no one invest in a company in order to lose, everyone wants to profit from it.

MLM has indeed many who cheat, so from that I was never attracted by MLM.
Most people that join MLM they feel like to get results that are highly profitable, but after they joined in their MLM stuck with procedures that do not comply are in want.
feel stuck because they don't want to feel loss i.e. by referring other people to join in MLM it. Just to wish the money already entered can be returned.

If you learn to work in this industry, you will be rich. This has great potential. You can work in many projects. The most important thing is to enter at the very beginning of the project

If you were lucky and got in early at onecoin you made a shit ton ( if they even let you get it out), but there are so many where you would have just lost everything even if you got in at the bottom. Many people are into MLM, always promoting their investment site that offers a return of investment. But, for me I rejected not to join in this ponzi scheme.

This is possible if one learns the trick of business and make great connections. Many key people have formed the group of potential followers/recruiters. Sometime they offer some percentage of referral bonus purchase back to the follower as well.  This plan may backfire if admin of mlm runs away.
So be vigilant and never trust anyone with money.

Some one invited me to join in a MLM company (forgot the name), before you can join you need to pay $200 for the spot. But I refused to join because I knew the things you will do in the company, is to sell their products and invite referrals for them. You're just helping the company to scam people who don't know what is the meaning of MLM once you joined. They said early birds catches the early worms, I doubt it.

I will not invest because the money that I will earn is the money of the investors that being scam, by just joining in that scheme you can consider your self as a scammer too, Because you are spending the money of others that being scam by that scheme. So for me I will and I am not joining any scheme of investing like that.

That is the point, they can run whenever they want but the point there why the first batch are always having a payout because they want a large money to scam so they will scam many people by promoting they're website, As long as they are paying many people are going to invest and if they get they're target then they are going to run now. 

I will never invest mlm as 99% of them are scams. In 2013 I loss heavily both my involvement and those that invest through me in The programme called oilofashia since then I leaned my lesson and make-up my mind never to invest in mlm.

No I won't invest in a ponzi scam even in early stage, if you invest in them it mean you support the scammer and this scammer surely will comeback with their new scam attempt after they successful with previous scam project

not 99% MLM are 100% scam, I would not invest in this scam
don't support them guys

absolutely not. we know every investment company no matter its a MLM scam or not they are trading our investments to grow it. even banks do the same thing the difference is they pay very low intrest so they are more likely to guaranteed about these. no matter what they do we can trade directly so why do we pay these scams or even trusted investment companies to grow our money when we can do it ourself. there is no point of risking our investment to any third-party. trading can make us around 20%-30% monthly or even more and in addition our experience will grow with our profits

Those MLM scheme who connecte into bitcoin will never long last actually. Because it is a onzi scheme most of the time, where the profit of each member always came from the registration fee of the newly member. Very simple to understand isn't?

Well MLM aren't scam for the first few rounds but after that would be a 70/30 that they are run away. Since they need to attract people on joining on their activity. So yeah, all of them are scam in a long run but not at first.

Lol MLM is just a system, Multi level Marketing, it is just a scheme to maximize someone's profit.  Depends on where it is being used is the problem.  Some company offers leveraging in order to make their client earn profit from buying their products and earn from those they had referred to the company.  If there is products which has equivalent value to the price they had paid is given and the bonuses depends on the tangible stuff that is bought by their referred buyer, then the system cannot be called a scam.  It is HYIP's and ponzi scheme that is scam.

Thats right dont support MLM because all of this turning to scam after thier reach their goal. MLM is like hyip after launch they will close and the founder run. Dont tolerate scammer to scam your bitcoin. Dont invest in MLM if you want to save your money. If the people invest in MLM they have possibilty their money loss. I joined before the popular MLM global but after weeks the founder run I think the money scam in me is $10 onlg but for me before that is very big amount.

Whats the point of investing in mlm scam in the early stage .The only thing i see is to earn on it because some people wants easy money even they know it is a scam site and to gain some referrals on it. If they want to earn dont bring others to invest on it kust make it yourself.

sometime mlm in early stage really give profit but temporary, it's like you're grabbing the available money until other people get trapped and their money is to pay the promised profit into your wallet

yes, but they only pay a few percent in the early stage, and ROI it takes about 1 week usually. so lost is obviously greater than the benefit.
I better gamble, because the risks are the same.

Much better to invest in MLM if you are the first investor and surely you will get paid but ROI is not sure to get back in early stage and i recommend that if you invest if you already get the ROI much better to withdraw your capital and find another new one because if 1 MLM is having more investor the tendency they will scam all the investors because that is their mission.

I don't trust any of these programs even though I got a chance to enter in the beginning. Because these guys take money from others to pay you the commission. So if they scam people even though you didn't lose money, but you will be the part of cheating others. If you know that going to scam then why would you like to take that risk instead just hold the coins for price appreciation?

You have a point, even you are the pioneer of the site and you earn enough profits, you can't still deny that you didn't victimize other people just to get profits because sometimes to this kind of hyips or mlm sites, it is very normal to invite or refer other people to the site and after that you will earn money but you are part of their scam because you say that they will continue paying even though you know already that they are scam.

Whatever the schemes of mlm business that promise you high profits, as long as the ask you to find and collect referral, don't ever invest your money on it. If it's legit, they will find another good way to attract more people. Everyone knows, this kind of business will die sooner or later. And before their going to be scam, you've got your money back with the profit.

Eh... I wouldn't say that, but what I say doesn't mean all that much. Even during the first few rounds it's pretty scammy and there are a ton of things that can go wrong very quickly at any point.
If you can run with your money after getting any sort of return, you're already ahead of the curve. Not everyone is that lucky.
No point investing in a scam at any point. Typically it ends pretty poorly for everyone involved.

I think so , gambling is better way than risking your money in that sites. From the start you already know that it is a scam site and the people who are under the pyramid scheme is the one who are unable to earn .so it is possible that they will blame the ones who recruited them.

The worst idea i have ever seen. You can't predict it will be running for well on every early stage. Too many the ponzi sites have turned to the scam site if there are some btc has filled on their site. and run away with investor's bitcoin. You can't withdraw your amount from the ponzi site anytime. Although you put another people or investor to be a sacrifice to withdraw your money.

MLM is good as long as the product being sold is going to be used daily or product is a necessity, product should be reasonable priced and lastly, members will earn not only from sponsorship's or recruits. If those 3 are not present in the MLM that is being offered then stay away. It will just make the owners and the pioneer members rich.

While gambling you are earning money directly from casino or other person. They know the consequences of gambling as well. If you loose money while gambling it is your own money. However in the MLM whether you earn or lose money it is always at somebody else's expense.

Seems you are one of the few who really knows what  an MLM is.  Most of the replies here mistakenly took MLM as HYIP and ponzi schemes.  Most of them sounds like a teenager or young kids that keep on saying things they read and believed it is the truth without thinking or researching what MLM is , probably if someone has not spelled out the meaning of MLM, they won't even know what MLM stands for.

What is the advantages of MLM scam if I invest ??

Don't think of yourselves as some kind of special snowflakes just because you guys know about the true nature of MLM. MLMs are supposed to be established in a way where people will start selling the products of a company. There are different levels because you can get people under you when you refer them. Unfortunately, MLMs were turned into a huge ponzi scheme. Instead of focusing on selling the products, MLM members have focused on the referral part because it will be more beneficial to them.

MLMs are using the newcomer's money to pay the old ones, thus, a ponzi scheme.

Of course they offer you an advantage. But the risk will always be there to see them anytime will be able to scam or reset. Make sure you understand the rules before investing

You are taking the other side of MLM (those that are disguised as MLM but rather a pyramid scheme )  if you analyzed what I quoted you can see another side of it (assuming that they are both under MLM industry), it is quite annoying people keep on jumping into conclusion without even thinking the all around of it.  If MLM is a ponzi scheme because the earnings came from the new comers then, Bitcoin itself is a big ponzi scheme but we all know it is not.  

I wonder if you are really involved in different kinds of MLM business. Maybe all you know are the investment scheme sides where payouts came from recruites and referral.  MLM does not only works that way.

from the definition,


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme


They may use the Multi Level scheme but definitely ponzi scheme are not the same as those legal company that uses Multi Level Marketing.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing#Direct_selling_and_network_marketing

That you will lose your initial investment amount.

Of course there isn't any advantage you penny pincher. Can't you just use common sense to figure that out yourself? It's beyond insane that you even ask this.

Everyone putting money into scams are contributing and willingly allowing innocent people to get scammed. If no one dumps their hard earned cash in scams, they will slowly dry out and vanish.

It is better if you distance yourself from any scam, early stage or not. We are in a community, so we must help each other protect ourselves. If we only think of ourselves, what will happen to human race? Even if there is an opportunity to earn money on scam on early stage, you will be supporting this scam sites to scam more people. And they will build more scam sites that will victimize more people. If we do not support it, eventually these scam sites will stop because there will be no more money in it.

it is clearly SCAM , even if you earned the profit in early stage you have been gives people who place their investment in the last stage a scam gift which i will say you are one of the actor causing those people get scammed , just think about it, you make people suffering lost .

really better to gamble directly , you get entertained and a fair chance to get profit.

Until whenever I will not join or promote MLM to anyone. All MLM will eventually scam, and I hate that.
Those who are at the lowest level can not get their money back, so I do not like to lure others in this hoax.

I also do not want to lure people with deception just to make money, then they will hate me and I will not be happy with it.

This is direct consequence of pulling people in a mlm and only a person with Conscience will feel that guilt.

There's no advantage if you are going to invest there. And haven't you noticed the word next to MLM you had typed? It's scam, so there's no advantage if you are going to invest there, instead you are just going to experience a lot of inconvenience and disadvantage. Don't believe people that are giving you false information about it.

You just need to stop developing these sites and not involve other people there by deception. Then these scams and lose the meaning of existence. Only here are many greedy who are willing to make money on deception.

There is advantages if your one of the top investor and not having care on anyone under you ,Thats the only advantage you make more money by other people .but still it is a bad way of earning money that many people do to earn so dont try at all to invest there if it is a scam.

I agree, it's only a waste of time or money. I have not seen a single person who really earned a lot of money there. Everyone is just deceiving and trying to drag more people into his cell.

If you find anyone saying that he got earned in initial time then 99% he should be the owner of that MLM scheme because in the initial stage they itself invest and earn and show other how much they are winning and after some one start to invest in initial they will give you return but after then everything will go off. This is the way of scamming the users through this MLM scheme

If you invest in the early stage, perhaps you can easily tripple your capital. However, I will never join it even in the early stage. They are totally scammed and if we invest the money in it, that means we are helping them to become stronger and stronger and can take more money from the people

I've tried the method and signed up early. And the result is certainly very satisfying, I can get 30% profit from the total that I invest. But when I glance back, then I think that it can be very harmful to many people. I am sad to see that I am one of the disadvantaged. MLM system is the most evil system ever in the world of investment today. never joined the inhumane system like this !!!

Ahahha, for anyone who says MLM is profitable before the ponzi system then it's just a hoax. Because there is not an mlm business that provides long-term benefits, there is indeed a mlm system that provides long term benefits. But it's all also require sacrifice long enough to see and get the advantage. So, when you want to get an advantage so the main task is to try and work hard
 

They offer a huge advantage if you can invite a lot of people and become your downline. And you're in the early stage. But of course it will harm others people

For me it doesn't matter anymore, even you will at the top peek but in the end the company will just turn out as a scam. There's no advantage on it and to your referrals you will lose your dignity as they are under you and don't have the chance to get profit because the company will just run away immediate, you may benefit but others won't and I don't really like that to happen.

I think what they offer is profit and wealth. But the way they give is to deceive someone to join and you can be an upline of them. I think this is a fraudulent way

Multi level marketing is just good if you are a pioneer because you can take advantage of that and you can make a lot of money because the people there is just still few and it means that you could potentially invite or refer a lot of people there that they can be your downlines and you will generate a lot of profit from that but i think it is not fair business for those late people so it is more scam rather than being legit.

No, i will never invest on those mlm companies or business. Only the people they call upline benefits from it and once that mlm run away those people that are downline will be late to get their roi. Investing into mlm is just a waste of money.

Perhaps this is good, but only for those who started to do this first. All the rest there is only fraud about the big earnings.

At least I've have done felt how hated by people are due to draw people into MLM.
I have learned that, it is my worst experience with MLM

Nope. It is my duty to expose every scam site. I am working on a blog that mentions these malicious sites.

Already promised to myself that i will never invest in any kind of ponzis,mlm,hyip after mmm global scam me.  My investment didnt give me anything in return, and the most stupid thing they did to me is they banned my account without any reason.

I think you're going to have to do a daily full-on research about the new scam sites. Every day, a new scam site is created and you have to quick on finding them. My suggestion is that you educate people to recognize a scam site instead of pointing them out one by one. Since you know how to recognize a scam site, then you wouldn't have much trouble teaching other people about it.

It's not that hard to recognize one. Every website that runs because of the new investors are ponzi scams and this is the very basic of them all. Others are making their mechanics complicated but ultimately, they still need new investors to issue a payout to the previous investors. Remember, as well, if something online is too good to be true, then it is.

I've been a victim of them and I did promised to myself too. I lose the trust of my close friends because I invited them to join with this scams but right now I don't talk to them anymore and if ever I can be again in the early stage of it. I won't waste my time to get in there because it will just wrecked my life again and will lose my money and people that are close to me.

MLM is actually profitable for inluenced people and this is something not good since it's not great to make profit from your friends, relatives or other person. This program is actually the reason why does people leave groups. It's better to stay away from this program and if someone offers you to join them, just ignore it for better.

Scam , I will not join even in early stage in case I was trapped. I had experieince in HYIP scam and not do anymore.

Yeah it is just profitable for those people that are influential. But the bad side of it is every people that are you going to see, you will treat them as instant profit even though they are your friends. As long as you are greedy, friendship will doesn't matter to you anymore and that's what I'm avoiding right now because you will still the loser in the end, you lose people, you lose trust and you lose money.

Whether the initial stages get bigger and the risk is small?

None of the two. Just the participants in their effort to make easily money they become scammers like those people who created the ponzi scheme. Even worse is when there are partakers who they ask for referrals to earn some percent from their victims.

MLM schemes were completely a scam. In the beginning of such schemes into effect people profited and soon things started to happen in the opposite manner. With these schemes through referrals one need to make few other a fool to get his profit. Now a new trend has emerged paying in terms of bitcoin for Participation.

Sorry guys I'm a newbie here and i didn't understand some of the topics. Can i know what is MLM scam? Can you give me some idea? :) it would be a big help for me if you guys don't mind. Thanks! :)

Well i experience this once multi level marketing is really a scam you need to invite people to make in touch on you to have a commision that is why many multi level marketer do many false statement to convince everyone to have money through commision.This is not really a good thing to do maybe you will not suffer it right away but tbere is god who really see everything behind you ao thwn i believe that we need to think straight and have fears on those crazy thing such as scamming.

I'm sure that the idea of MLM was good initially, but now there are so many scammers that people now can't trust even good organizations with a good product (personally I have a bad sediment and I try to avoid them...and of course I don't invest...I don't like money obtained dishonestly

Yeah i will but only in the early stage because Ponzi was made to give the earlier profits not people come late. MLM is nearly like ponzi but it's the best way to marketing your products.

Theres always been a Karma when you do bad things into others for the sake for your own benefit but not all people do really see this things because of their greed which they wont really care at all to put people on harm as long they are benefited or do make money.Ponzi sites are just good if you are on the top and when you see the structure its just a pyramid where you would really need to invite to sustain the system but if no one already is joining then it would surely fall off.

My friend invests in 30 startups at the same time for $ 100. He writes that as a result, while he made $ 3 800 from the $ 3000 investment at the moment.

I never invest in projects without studying them just because they offer a high profit. But as far as I know MLM is not fraud, they have a real product through the sale of which they make a profit.

There is nothing good in being a pioneer of a scam, yes you have a lot of potential of having the most recruits and therefore having the most earning but  you are also the one who is scamming them. When you know that your MLM business is a fraud and you invite people into the business it will be considered as a crime as you are inviting them in bad faith. You will be held as an accessory to the crime.

No, I am not planning to invest money in the MLM or Ponzi projects generally, because almost all of this programs turn into scams sooner or later. So it is very risky to deposit your money or BTC in such programs. The owner usually take the money and turn his site off.

This MLM type of investment always being rampant in social media, before when Im not into cryptocurrencies I have invested in this type of ponzi scheme. Someone has believe on me to invest and can earn big, so I late realized its just a scheme to scam people.

No I wouldn't invest in any sort of MLM in the early stages, unless I have total control over the situation. It is merely too risky to do so.

I think I would invest in an MLM scam or I would like to think that I would but the rational part of my brain will never let me but I think that the early investors in MLM scam actually make something from it if they are not greedy and actually get out in time.

Dude if you knew at  first that it was a scam then you join and refer others then you are definitely worse than the one who started it. Man are you really thinking?

Almost, yes I almost got into it. when there is a very lucrative MLM program (I think), and I told my long-time friend Bitcoin, and I reminded about it. so as not to join the MLM program. almost I transfer my money, thank goodness not so. because after that I heard the news, that the MLM program that I want to follow was Scam, And the money under the Manager blurred. maybe if not reminded friends, my money is gone.

No, I do not like situations where you make money from other people. Such MLM should be banned and not allow people to invest their money there

I've seen there are my neighbors who were fooled by MLM. initially he really get profit in 1-2 months. but in the next month when he got interested and increased his investment amount to $ 1000, in fact all the money lost never returned anymore, even for $ 100. Lol  :P

No way, I would never support any scam projects! A lot of people have lost their last money by investing in such ponzi schemes as Bitconnect, Hextracoin and etc.

MLM businesses actually only benefit the people who are above, they benefit from those people downline them and the downline will also look for downline again to the point of saturation where there is no prey again, many programs on behalf of bitcoin, then they go to bring funds from the they produce bad news and negatively affect the bitcoin price movement

Some people have a penchant for investing in ponzis and other so called money doubling schemes. Sometimes the best time to invest in any of them is to go in at the early stage. Going into the scheme when a lot of people have really benefited from it already, those that subscribed at the latter stage are the ones that get fried. Classic examples are Bitconnet and MMM

Well,  this is how really very important to us here to not take the risk in joining this kind of investment which is the ponzis scheme like MLM. A lot of people being victimized by this kind of strategic investment. Because the only who can benifits this kind of investment is the leader of the members. So we should be aware in this kind of investment.

they are many cases Mlm investments are risky when u invest in early stages rather than after one year so knowing mlm programs may fail but early bird may get advantage

I had experienced something like that when I was just beginning to learn about crypto and bitcoin, I was tempted because the beginning of the investment it gives a normal payment but after 3 months I even get a loss :-\

No I won't invest in a ponzi and mlm scam even in early stage, if you invest in them it means you support the scammer and this scammer surely will comeback with their new scam attempt after they successful with previous scam project

I would not invest in a MLM scam in early stage even if there is a chance of getting profit from it since some needs you to promote first and get some affiliate to get some profit from your investment and I wouldn't want to do that. That is definitely true, there are MLM scams that will not give your outright profit in one go but it will release by percentage depending on schedule. The fear is that even if you belong in the first group

You said that in your idea, people will earn the same thing regardless if they work hard or if they slack off. A company that's built like that will eventually fall off. People are going to depend on those people that works hard. . And these are more in referral program and this is their scheme system always. they earn only if someone get involve to their companyWell honestly MLM companies

That is one of the problems with MLM companies they allow recruitment but they don't actually help the new members to earn the money back they pay for the membership, they will always say that they need to be independent in order to be successful in this line of work. Never try to join on the MLM ponzi on the early stage if you are not want to lose your amount. Investing on the early stage is very risky. It looks just try stole another people's money

Only fools would invest in an obvious scam and you would only lose your capital because it is clearly a scam that will only take your money without profit in return. So in short I won't invest PERIOD.

defintly no.

Hard to say for sure, because of two sides moral and profitability/greed. Certainly by investing in a scam and waiting on others to put money in it to make a profit for yourself (and understanding, that your profit will be made from people's money, who will probably never get them back)  not makes you look better than the guy who created this scam, but from other side greed, because people who invested after you, don't really have difference with you, since they also waiting on others to put money to make profit from it, so it's something like scam the scammer imo.

Many people are thinking of investing in MLM early and earning money to withdraw funds!
However, no one can guarantee that it will be the last one to take over, and many people cannot stand the temptation in the face of huge benefits!
The few people who entered the top of the pyramid were making money, and most of the people who entered later lost money.

participating in mlm at early stages is far better than investing in mlm at later stages even though risky early investments ar better

I think If everyone avoids putting their hard-earned money into this scam, they will eventually dry up and completely disappear.
I am not a greedy money hunter who invests in something when I know it is a clear deception. The first reason is because I do not want to support scammers, and secondly, I do not want to contribute to people getting a scam because investing in their scams allows them to operate longer because the money comes, and thus they will be able to sacrifice more people. That's why I find people who invest in fraud obviously as bad as the operator itself.

Of course I will not invest in MLM scam. Why you will join if you know it is scam. I hate scammers! I don't like to cheat people just because of money. Money is easy to earn but trust of the people is hard.

There's one more thing, by getting involved into this scam, whether promoting the website or investing hard earned money into this thing, we are indirectly making this MLM grows because the scammer will think that all these people are dumbos who can be easily scammed.
Just I have no excuse of joining this satanic cycle, when I'm the one who lost money into this shit, maybe it will be fine, but luring people to a scam, is really a bad idea I must say. Better off this stupid thing.

of course not, although I was fooled by MLM but I do not want other people to feel as I feel, I will actually commemorate the people who will follow the MLM deception.

will not . because not all will also provide benefits even if you are the first person to join him.
 so if we already know it is a fraud project. scam or MLM better avoid it. and even if you still choose to join.
in a few days you must have a bad feeling and think with the payment that will be done. it will be stressfull .

As it is a scam I will surely not join it even if I am benefited by it. It is still best to earn in a good way without hurting or fooling others. It is burden to my conscience if I am going to do it.