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Can't you beat the house edge? Today, with all these Bitcoin casinos and dices, I think it would be possible to beat small house edge with like 1%.
I always deposit small amount on site and when I make it to a good balance I withdraw, then I play with faucet and loose till the next deposit.
Can you share your experience with the gambling?

You already answered your question, casinos exist because they are making profit, and they are making profit because they have the house edge. If it was possible to beat the house edge, casinos would start suffering loses and eventually close. Thinking that you can turn gambling into a source of income and solve your financial needs is very dangerous and irresponsible.

How ? Why would you want to beat the house edge ?I know sites with house edges as low as 0.1%.You want to beat that too ?

The entire gambling discussion section is about this,maybe lock this thread and continue in those threads ?

It can be possible or not. The 1% house edge makes the casino have profit on long run. They have 1% advantage over you. Doesn't look much, but if you play many times it will make a difference.
There isn't a knew way to beat the house edge, your method to play probably gave you profit because you had luck, but you didn't beat the house edge.

Some players beat the house edge due to variance, meaning that they can win big in the short term and if they do not play again, they've beaten it.
But it is statistically impossible to beat the house edge in the long term.

Take a look at the stats of Crypto-games for example, if you check the daily stats, you'll sometimes see that the site made a loss in the last 24 hours.
But when you look at the monthly stats, it's always in favour of the casino and the profit range is pretty close to the house edge.

Probably one or two times you may get chances to beat the house edge (maybe on your lucky days). But you never will be able to find a consistency on beating them nor with big profits. I guess if you are able to make even some small profits, it would be a great achievement in my opinion as it is still not possible for almost 95% of gamblers. (They always aim for big profits and end up in nothing).

It is possible to beat the house edge if you make a profit and get out and never come back.The longer you play the chance for the casino increases and that is the reason they lure people with all the bonus and stuff. ;)

The 1% house edge means how much they are going to win on average and the longer you play the house edge increases and the best strategy is to exit while you are winning.In my experience i win some i lose some and my over all experience is profit but when ever i spend more time i lose,accept the loss and come back at a later time. :)

I think house never defeat since they have large amount of capital.. unlike gamblers unless if you are rich..
In my case never beat the house edge.. but making profit in sports betting and sometimes satisfied profit in dice game  but never defeat the house..
It is hard to defeat the house edge better to gamble with fun so that you can enjoy the game..

Beating the house edge is kind of nonsense. Some win and some lose. 1% HE just means the site expects 1% profit over the wagered amount in the long run.
People usually don't lose because of the HE but because of gambler's fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy).

The only way beat the house edge is to exploit a bug in the system.

The answer is no. Of course you will win sometimes but for the long term the house always wins. You have already lost before making that 1st bet. That is how a casino makes money and be in operation for all this time. If they have enough money to withstand the short term fluctuations against them then they are ok.

Beating the house edge means you will always win every roll and it is impossible, and how can you beat the house edge even if 1%? most of the house edge is 1% and you are going to beat it up?, I guess you are not taking any good sleep since you have got here in this forum. Gambling sites would not allow such thing that you are thinking, it is the only reason why gambling sites are having profits from every gamblers that play their games on their sites.

And letting the players beat their house edge is really ridiculous for that to happen. They are not that insane for this thing to happen, it is like they are giving money to people, something like that.

I think the odds will always be against you. But some people will beat the odds. The trick is to be able to get out while you are ahead.

Thinking that we can beat the house edge is always something that has no solution for it. Because it will always be in their favor, I've been thinking of this before but I gave up already because I know that I'm not capable on beating them no matter how hard and put effort on beating them and it is more impossible for having low bankroll.

Yes, but only in a short term. The fact that we lose in the long run will still take place in just a matter of time. Since we cannot beat the house edge, why not join them, we can do that if we will choose to invest rather than to play. It will be a wiser idea if you do that as investing in gambling sites is profitable.

If you think that you can beat the house edge that way. I guess it's no use at all, claiming with faucets are just a waste of time and if you will ever lose a lot of bitcoins as you gamble. Recovering your bitcoins that way is not going to work out. So I guess it is really going to be a hard thing to defeat the house edge in any way.

Definitely it will be always against to us. And if there are tricks that can allow us to beat the house edge, it can be detected immediately by them.

And or if there are people who knows how to beat the edge, it will be confidential and they won't share anything to us.

I don't any plans on beating the house either, it's the reality that can't possibly happen.

Obviously nooo :(

Yes beating house edge with faucets is just time waste, you never beat house edge with faucets. Getting Bitcoin from faucets is not an easy task. If you want to get back your loss try to play any skill games with the small investment, it will work, but what you choose this way is not good to earn bitcoins.

your strategy is not much of a strategy but more of a superstitious way of thinking how things work. or maybe you are explaining it wrong.

because there is no obvious connection between you winning then withdrawing then losing with faucet and winning again. this is just some coincidence that happened most probably because when you gamble with faucet you have low amount to cover the next losses so you lose in the end. but when you deposit you have more money so you can cover the losses and win in the end.

and also you got lucky too which is an important factor that anyone explaining a strategy forgets.

Maybe you did not get the point.As far as I know,he is not talking about any stratagies here,he wants to beat the house edge.

Apart from the faucet and everything,the most crucial thing that is being wasted is time.You cannot win it back,I bet you.

Playing with faucets has been proved to be profitable for me. Although it is boring if you play with it only all the time, rolling some faucets in at a 9900x multiplier occasionally has worked for me. Ok, maybe not 9900x but 4950x did.

That's why they called it an edge because even though its 1% the possibility
of beating it is impossible. Maybe you can have "strategy" on how to profit
just like you mentioned. I also used faucet as well and other offers or
promotions, its a free shot at the jackpot.
Beating the house is impossible, but you can take advantage by withdrawing
and quitting while you are still ahead.

i think this is difficult to beat the house edge because they own the system and we are only the player, maybe it is better to deposit and invest with them so we can make profit with them too. as long as we can make nice profit with them, i think it is a good way for us to have a good balance and we can withdraw it after we reach some amount that we want. how much you make deposit and investing in the gambling sites? is there something like 0.1 btc or less than 0.1 btc? and in what sites?

People really should stop creating topics about dice strategies or gambling ideas. I am very surprised that many people aren't smart to see that there is no easy way to win and get rich out of gambling.

You either win or lose. I always say this to the gamblers:

If you want to become rich by gambling, gamble with every single penny you got on a simple heads/tails coin flipping game. If you win, do not look back and enjoy your money. And never gamble again. If you lose, do the same.

People get mad when I say this,  but they don't realize playing with small money in a long time frame will exactly result as i said above. So there is no difference.

Don't take my words if you are just playing a few couple $ games in a month just for fun. I am talking to the greedy basturds.

Tldr;  no, you can't beat the bouse edge. Because the house will limit your max. bet amount.

Lets say house has the capital of 10k btc and lets you to make bets of 10btc max. What are your chances to clear the casino? You can try x2 games forever and lose or you can try x100 games and the same thing will happen.

It is quite hard to beat the house edge maybe once in a while you will be able to win it, but in the end you will lose, that is why there are so many casino pop out and most of the people suggest to invest in casino because most if the time the casino got profit, so you may try different strategies but in the end the house edge is going to make you lost

Is this your strategy to win LOL, i don't think playing with faucet money till you make deposit will have any impact on winning.

I have never made big sum with gambling, but lost almost all i have on early days. Now i don't put much in gambling and just play for some fun in free time.

I can beat the house but yeah it is possible, once in a blue moon. And most of us are having hard time to beat the house. Those casinos that are coming out because they are taking advantage on it, they know that no one will be able to beat them

Well i think no can make it when you say 1% of house edge? i don't think that small amount from bigger amount some people can make it but not that big profit when you deposit small amount don't expect too much that you can really make it big

Yes, you can, if you win before you lose, withdraw money and never gamble again.
I just don't see other possibilities to win against house.

Lot of time the answer was given but still their are so many new threads opening but the answer will be same if you are going to play casino or dice game for short time you will be in profit but when you start to play for long time then you will start to lose the bets and at the end you will be zero loosing your deposit also. So it is clear that no one can beat the house in long term ya in short term you can beat the house edge that is the time you should withdraw and forget to play back.

Yes as long as we play with discipline, not greedy and self control is mainly played in the short term. We can certainly beat the house edge. But if playing in the long run, don't expect we can beat the house edge

It really depends what you are betting on. I've heard of people winning large amounts on dice/cards etc, but most of them are not smart enough to stop betting there and then. You will NEVER beat the house edge long-term unless you are cheating in some way. Even professional gamblers (for example at sports) have a surprisingly low percentage of bets won. I believe it is something like 55%?

If we are lucky then we could possibly beat the house edge specially to those sites who have the lowest house edge % but we should really not too confident because if we do play on longer runs the risk is always there to bust us out thats why we should really know how to discipline ourselves.

I think the thing there is the he knows when to quit LOL.  See his pattern, he play with his money if winning he will withdraw all.  Then play with the faucet.  He let it lose.  Then deposit and play again, withdraw when he is winning.  I may agree there is some fallacy in there but the stopping when he won is right on the spot.

yes the only chance to beat the house edge is our lucky . if we are lucky then we can beat the house edge. otherwise it is not so easy to beat the edge. i think the casinos have only one way of making money and running their casinos and that is the house edge. but i think they should reduce their house edge to the minimum if they want to attract more and more customer, they must give some advantages to the customers also so as to get their confidence.

Even with low house edge casino will win rather than player because of greed and luck. 1% house edge doesn't mean chance for casino to win is 1%, it is just the guaranteed profit site will make on total wagered amount.

House always wins even with very low 0.10% house edge if the player keep on playing being greedy.  ;D

i am talking about this part:
"I always deposit small amount on site and when I make it to a good balance I withdraw, then I play with faucet and loose till the next deposit."
this is the strategy i was referring to and it is not going to work for him forever!

again i am not suggesting usage of faucets. i am referring to the strategy that OP seems to be using. and i am trying to explain why he loses with faucet and not with the money he deposits.
because to me it seems like he is trying to win by first trying the faucet and hitting a losing streak then deposit and play to win. and that is why i called it superstition.

Having a small house edge will surely attract gamblers since they know that they could able to make money on low house edge gambling sites and I could say its really better than those having insane 5%+ house edge they can easily beat us up on playing to the site.Yes,Luck will surely kill those house edge temporarily.

Well my gambling experience is like this i played dice game with my all and got very good at it i mean very lucky, i always bet on smaller amount just to saved up money for the next game until i had enough gambling then i started to bet bigger amount because i won countless times but its just a small amount for that i lost 3 times in a row i don't know what is the flow of it but i quit gambling for 2 weeks now but smaller amount will help :D

My experience with gambling gave me a lesson that you can't beat the house edge. You can win against the house but only for a short time like what others said because if you keep trying and trying you'll lose in the end.

You are sounding like "in long run, every gambler will be facing losses only". It must be true as one day other when our luck is not favoring, we will face loses. It does not mean we never beat the house edge, but in long run or in consolidated results house alone wins more than what we profit. There will be no meaning on winning one or two times out of hundred attempts.

You will surely lose in the end because house will really beat us up no matter how big our balance or bankroll specially when we use martingale and other methods.We should really not tend to chase up our losses on playing gambling because it would really lead us on getting broke.

You can beat the house edge and that is obvious. The question now is, how long can you beat it? Once you win in a certain bet then you beat the house edge literally but if you will compare the number of time you win to your loss it's usual that loss is much dominant.

House edge won't let you play for a long run so if ever some luck came to you make a wise decision to just play moderately.

Right that and quite common as well. But I have beaten the edge many times like I have friends where we play chess game and the winner gets double obviously. In this case though there is no house edge and actually this game is a totally based on skill. This way only based on gambling types, we will get chances to beat the house edge.

You can only beat it if you got lucky. Nothing else other than that. No matter whats the percent of house edge. Still it would be hard to win. Look at cryptogames, they are even offering 0%house edge sometimes but still its hard to win.

If anyone can beat the house edge you can't see most post abut losing here but mostly wins. But as far as my encountered issues is concerned about gambling, loss is still the one who being experienced by most of the users.

Ever wonder why playing even at 0% house edge, like the guy mentioned above this post, still suffering a terrible loss? That's how gambling works more especially playing with those gambling type that is under the house edge system.

Which is correct its still more chances to lose than to win gambling is always depend upon your luck without it you wont be able to survive the only thing is you can lessen the percentage of losing against house edge if you play in much shorter time frame.

In general, the house has the edge so basically you cannot beat the house edge. You might enjoy winning but it is not for the long run as what we are hoping because as we go gambling longer, we will definitely gonna lose. Let's consider that as the reality that we must accept, by doing it, we can have a peace of mind and we will not resort to making stupid decisions which would bring has to difficult situation in life.

I've never been able to beat the house edge and i think no one ever already did too. I already gamble many times and experimented many strategies but none of them made consistent profit. It only works for some minutes then when you had enough winnings the house edge will try to take it back. It is up to you to continue or stop and withdraw your balance. But one thing is sure when you continue to gamble, that is you will just lose all your winnings.

I do it with sports betting all the time but it's hard to do with dice or any other casino games. In most of the casino games, you need a lot of luck and some management skills so that your don't go all in every other bet. On the other hand, in sports betting you can figure out what team is likely to win and if the odds are good then you can bet on it and win.

In short term you may win but on long term you will eventually loss whatever you have won along with what you have deposited. Casino have different house edge but beating casino with even 0% house edge is hard.

No. you can't beat house edge, unless you have infinite bankroll/ you are extremely lucky!

Infinite bankroll is useless the best thing would be extreme luck which is the most important thing on playing gambling.Beating house edge is hard for longer runs.

Luck is needed always in the gamble games or casino.. but i think there is no extreme luck..
In any kind of game never heard someone that they defeat the house edge honestly those owner of the gambling casino are rich..
And even we are draining the funds in gambling casino they can be still deposit since it is hard to business of gambling site and they know already it will be profitable depends if they change the game or they release a new games.. which is not profitable..
The most game that i seen are i think profitable are dice game slots games  or any card games..  that almost we can seen mostly in any trusted gambling site. that is why we are seen even there are new gambling casino release they are still repeating the game only the design are had changes..

It's an easy task to claim Satoshi's with faucets but relating it upon beating the house edge by simply claiming there in your gambling activity. I don't think that it is going to be ever an effective way of beating the house. Gambling smartly and taking responsibility with your own bitcoins will help you to beat the edge. How? By knowing that in the end the house will always with favor.

I think ita hard to do that especially if you'te gambling online. Its almost impossible to beat the house edge and you just have to start playing that eventually the house will beat you. I just guess that best way is to be responsible gamblers and dont try to beat the house

house edge exist to make the casino owner always in favor to get profit over their players.
so for me you can always beat them , it is only the matter are you gonna make it long term or just for once?or twice?
if then you want make it for long time , i don't think you can hold it longer enough.

How about the gambler has claim if he can cut the house edge in roulette game I read he won around 15m$ from real casino maybe gambler never can beat house edge only in online casino.

Need not to be true.
It always too hard to beat the house edge in all type of casinos when are competing against house (unless it is a player vs player environment). If you are able to beat them consistently, in long run houses will go bankrupted.

I never heard there is any gambler can winning big in casino online even though there is who can win huge amout it's from lottery or slot machine. yeah maybe we have think hard to beat the house edge but I think in casino online we against system and i'm sure everything is already set by the system.

Their are some big whales who have beat the house edge and won big high but that was due to they just played some bets with all in and as soon as they won they withdrawn it and never turned back, other then that i dont think that anyone was able to win against the house edge on long term.

Sure you can beat the house edge for a short period of time most of the time. But in the long run you can't beat the house edge. Thats the key to gambling get out when your ahead. Or before you lose. However theres still gonna be times when you lose on the first roll thats the whole point of gambling. So yeah as long as your lucks good and you get out after playing for a short period of time you can beat the house esge least for awhile, most gamblers don't know when you quit.

Winning a few bets doesn't mean that you have beaten the house edge, beating the house edge means that you somehow can win over the long run, which is almost impossible, statistically speaking. But if we are talking about just profit, than whales indeed might have a better chances, because of two reasons. First, they can make big bets with low multiplier, for example one can bet $10.000 with x1.1 multiplier and have almost 90% chance to win $1000. The second reason is that some mega whales can have bigger bankrolls than some casinos, and if those casinos haven't set a mathematically required limit for the highest win, than whales could potentially bankrupt such casino, because number of bets won't be enough for the house edge to make an impact.

Sometimes, yes, you can beat the shit out of the house edge. But as you go along and continue playing on that same casino with the same game and same methods of how you play, you'll notice that the house edge is recouping its losses and starts to eat up your own money as well. It's been proven a lot of times now, the house always wins in the end.

Not only do betting systems fail to beat casino games with a house advantage, they can’t even dent it. Roulette balls and dice simply have no memory. Every spin in roulette and every toss in craps is independent of all past events. In the short run you can fool yourself into thinking a betting system works, by risking a lot to win a little. However, in the long run no betting system can withstand the test of time. The longer you play, the ratio of money lost to money bet will get closer to the expectation for that game.

So are you telling that if you keep changing the strategy you wont end up losing and the house edge wont catch you. ??? may be that is true as there were times when i used to win a lot by using a specific method and made a significant amount of profit and the very next time when i deposited and tried the same method i end up losing everything.So may be it is true.

Yeah actually winning against the house is like considering can we win a race when our opponent is given an undue advantage ? No right ?

Same here because when the opponent is given undue advantage which I mean the house edge then its nearly impossible to win.
Though this can still happen in case you play skill based games and believe that you can win even when you know you are starting the race from behind.

oh we still discussing that these days , come on guys casinos aren't charities and they won't run if that is possible
but in some cases you can use the promotions to lower the HE , and rarely there are some events that you have +EV but it's rare
like the bingo competition that primedice used to run , but in normal days you can't beat the edge

How about making some lucky rolls and winning a big amount of money and stop rolling and exit the site forever.If i could do that then i am beating the house.What is the bingo competition you are talking about and i have not seen anything run by primedice for the past few months. Am i missing something here ?

Well it is a matter of timing.  If you timed your quitting during the winning streak, you definitely beat the house edge and exit with a win. But if you get greed and keep on playing, eventually  you will lose all the winnings including your bankroll or worst, you make several deposit more just to beat the house lol.

nope that doesn't mean that you beat the house edge , that just means you got lucky
when we are talking about beating the edge this means that whenever you wager you are expecting to win and that's not the case

about primedice bingo it's one of the promotions in primedice where you have to wager and hunt some numbers
here is the link  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1499249.0

the thing about house edge that we should all know, is that house edge is there to make sure the house wins.
we already all know that the house always wins no matter what. and when the house edge comes into play, that means the house has even more chance of winning against the players.
if it was anything other than this, the house would have been bankrupt.

With that, there is no way you can beat the house edge, the only thing you can do is to minimize your loses by limiting your bets. The house edge gives them a winning moment most of the time and if we go stick with it and spend more time, it means more loses on our part.
By understanding our chances, we will be able to minimize our loses and we will learn that enjoying is more important than seeking for a win.

exactly that should how we treat gambling with house edge limiting or lessen the amount of loses than aiming for winning against the house, if you can control those emotions and just limit the amount of time that you will going to spend practically chances of getting some earnings will be possible but in the long run we should just spare little money that we are ready to lose.

I can't beat the house edge since I don't have capital bigger than the house edge. I think only a gambler with a greater value than the house edge can beat it, could it be possible? There are many possibilities can happen, you may have a zero balance before you beat the house and it will really take a long run.

Having a big capital does not ensure we can beat the house edge, they are in the business and they operate for profit. They set the rules and they can limit the bet. Honestly, we cannot beat them, we should accept that, if we feel we are clever, think twice, they would not last in the business if they are not smarter than us.

Theoretically, we can't beat the house edge, because it is the profit source of casinos, sportsbook, you know they are making money, most casinos with house edges operate in very long term.

Actually beating the house edge is impossible . I tried gambling for about 1-2 year before I was experienced in bitcoin about legit vs scam ways .
I tried every possible stretagy and tricks to make profit but at the end of every long run gambling I made loss but still got only some small ideas of  making only a very little amount of profit .
I started to make stretagy of gambling and also find some on google but overall my experience told me never bet continuously more than 10 times . Otherwise chances of losing became increases repidaly .

And in terms of capital, they are also more aggressive than us because they know they have the edge to win over the gamblers. House edge is the big reason why they operate in profitably in the industry, they gave us the entertainment and in return they have to take our money. That's the reality.

i heard some but rare to see and if i'm not mistaken that there is person could won 250 btc and running giveaway 0.5 btc for each person and available for 15 people so i think this person has already beat the house and that means beat the house still possible but indeed it cannot do with very often because require a lot of luck

basically the problem is that even when you play 100 times and not you will win 2 times, instead you will win around 45-55 chances but the problem is that when you will total up your losses and wins then you will notice that loss is actual total outcome.

You cannot beat the edge, note it man !
But yeah if you have enough endurance to stay away from gambling once you win then you will surely win some.

That's the purpose casino created. If we looking for profit, that's just become a disaster, you will be addicted and just waste money with them.
House always win can not be disputed, that's the way gamble company make a profit.
Where they making money apart from our money?

Do we really need discussion so long to answer such simple question? It is the same as with martingale or other betting systems.
It always amuses me how people hope to beat negative expectation game in the long run with a betting system.
Learn once and for all, betting systems (or flat betting if that matters) + House Edge = mathematically unbeatable combination.

I can hear some gamblers saying now: "But I won big money in a casino already with my system" You did?

So please now continue doing so everyday for a year. Then we will talk.

But there are some gamblers with positive balance in casinos for a long time. Looks they really made profit on long term, or didn't the long term reach to them yet? Maybe it can vary from one to another gambler...

I agree lol if you play in the long run you will really lost mathematically :)


Probably you have seen a freshly deposit bankroll :D,  or maybe they know how to quit when they have some good amount of winning.  Other player tends to play across all the casino platform withdrawing their bankroll plus winnings before the losing streak strike them and deposit the bankroll to other Casino to start all over again.

There some people have made million dollar play against the house edge
Please keep in mind that not everyone will lost, there is lucky guy who managed to keep the profit for years
Now what would you talking about when  he successfully did it?
You can beat the house edge, it's just the matter whether luck choose you or not.

Maybe with pure Luck but how would we know? It's a system in place for the casinos to earn as well as a way to entice new investors.

Definitely, Luck  is the only key to beat house edge, If you feel very lucky, then bet huge amount on gambling at one shot then pray to win, in that situation if your bet won, you actually beat the house edge, House edge is actually effective on long that's why you need to bet fast

I doubt one would put a bigger amount even if he feels he is so lucky, that is based on a person's attitude. There are people who are willing to take bigger risk and with that, they have a good chance to take big profits but also they are at risk of losing big amount of money. It's a fair chances, you win and you lose but never bet what you can afford to lose.

Why you guys just consider gambling as casinos and dice sites ?

Gambling is a wide term and even the bets made at home, in races and even guessing things like how much time after the pizza will arrive is a gamble. Basically me and my friends do betting where the one ones who make wrong guesses pays for the pizza. I can proudly say I eaten more than I paid for :P and hence I am in win even after long term.

because first of all most people around here are playing dice and many of them have only played dice as the only gambling game they ever play.

also house edge is similar in all cases. what you are describing (you betting with your friends by guessing something) does not have any house edge because there is no house and you all have equal chance (unless someone is cheating).

What if you are lucky in the long term,it all depends upon your luck and gambling strategy .If you are a rage gambler you will never win and never plan on becoming rich in a single day. If you could follow all those then you could beat the house ,but the margin of error is really slim.

One way is that but the temptation will get you gambling again I can guarantee friend. I think rather than that just do freestyle betting on dice and do not apply any strategies because all what these strategies do is to just make you optimistic and a looser.

While freestyle gambling will not guarantee any profits I agree but surely is much better than a chasing a goal. Just gamble any amount normal odds and stop once you feel is enough.

Doing a freestyle betting gives no pressure at all, we can bet only base on our instinct by luck we can win. Using that method will certainly not gonna give us headache as we will not be more curious and go deeper in seeking for a winning strategy that has not existed at all.

That way, you can enjoy and will not gonna make you addicted like other irresponsible gamblers have experience.

then it has different story, luck always be the number one factor that could makes anyone break something impossible in gambling. and it's rare happened so you can't expect on it at all. i guess the house edge could lost over the player if there is an exploit attempt in the system , otherwise hard to make it happen.

Many gamblers start their gambling experience exactly like you described. They think they've found a way to beat the house edge and thus to make money with gambling. But the truth is, it's an illusion. And actually it's not about the house edge which can be 0.5% or even less than that on some sites. It's about the fact that you just can't always win and that no one knows how many times you can lose in a row.

It is so impossible to beat the house edge even you won some amount it doesn't mean you beat the house edge .That's why gambling or casino's have a house edge obviously they are created to earn profits and for fun time not to giveaway bonus and jackpots .
i think you must be contented if you earn don't question about gambling because the only answer there is you will their house edge even you are the best gambler .

yes you are right it is impossible to beat the housee edge because it is the owner of the game. You cannot beat the owner because its his/her system actually. It is his/her program as well. So you must think out of the box.

Then if no one can't beat the house edge, what is the purpose of the sign they have been posting in in their site like Provably fair.
Theyre system is made randomly and so people or gamblers have fun and try out their luck. We must not think negatively of the sites.
If none is winning in a gambling site, then I think they're luck has just run out.

Provably fair means all results are random and theres no any manipulation on each roll that have been made and I agree on what you have said gamblers should not always think about this stuff but we do really experience it mostly on longer runs on which we do lose our money.House edge would really beat us down no matter what that's why we should know how to get away before we got bust.

it is impossible. and the reason for it is very simple if you think about it.
house edge helps the house to win and house winning means they stay alive and make money. and as a business you need to make money consistently or in total at least.
in other words if we could beat the house edge, that would have meant house going bankrupt and that can not happen.

That depends on how we think on it .,Yes it probably fair random but it is in their system even they say propably fair it doesn't mean its fair its just like sweet words to attract to catch up our mind .Then if its probably fair 50-50% chance on my own understanding . If i am a  the owner o a gambling house even i say that its probably fair it doesnt mean how it is as i said. I don't need to elaborate but the point there is you must be a responsible gambler.

Christ.... please don't use such terminology, i.e "provably fair" actually, if you don't know the meaning behind it or how it actually works.

No, it is not about the random. Even if it is provably fair, we can never beat the house. This system is created to take away people's money and generate fund for the campaign manager. If you think you can beat it, you are totally wrong. The more you play, the more your realize how hard can it be. I have tried my luck for several time but the result still remains zero. I only lose my money.

I seriously doubt we can beat the house edge, if most of us can beat the house edge then there wont be any casino left, the casino had set a great calculation so the advantage is on their site, yes we can beat the house but most of the time we will lose against it

Beating the house is really impossible. If people can beat them then it will be the end of the casinos or gambling sites. And no casinos will ever be built again. People think they can beat it because they win at first. But that is how the house edge works, you start winning first and if you don't play it smart you will just eventually lose it in the end.

Exactly. House edge is just a fixed loss for every players bet so it is impossible to beat if a player is betting continously with fixed bet. The only chances to beat it is to bet in burst amount and hope to win. Because house is neglected if a user won on a single bet and never bet again. In that way you actually defeat it.

This method could really be considered that you already heated the house since you already make profit against the house with that single big bet but in my own opinion its really very risky to do and not anyone does have the balls to do that thing.

The house edge always exist, even in the lowest percentage it still exist. You can't beat it by a strategy or the like IMO since it's just simple math and it will exist regardless of your strategy, it's just about luck being in the positive side of the odds.

That is called hacking and if you are good at it you don't waste time trying to hack a game site rather you will be doing something useful.Winning big exploiting a bug is still illegal and if you are caught you might land in jail.

Hacking is a hard thing to do, don't think you can easily hack the system of a gambling sites, they have the best IT on board. Before they operate the business, they have already determined the risk in this kind of business and as they have determined, they need to hire people who can help them run the business successfully. If you heard some sites are getting hacked, probably that was just an inside job.

Well that's true ,If you think you can hack their system go ,but bare in mind that the sites are 24/7 monitorize .Maybe they dont have the best IT but many of them is a team you can't easily do that job .Insidejob is also a hard thing because there no way for you to not be caught unless you are the best hacker world wide. Its better if you accept that you can't beat the house edge .

It is quite difficult to calculate or beat house edge manually because it is very complicated algorithm involved and for a normal person not possible to guess or calculate. That's the reason we always say gambling results mostly depends on only luck. Once we can't predict the result, then gamblers can't beat house edge either in the short term or longer term.

It is very hard to do so in a long run. House edge does catch up even if you make a lot early on and get lucky. It has happened with me as well. Initially double or triple my bankroll and instead of cashing out, I continue to gamble with it and eventually lose it all.

That is the beauty of gambling. Because after you get some then we want some more and continue until we lose everything. Later we start thinking that we shouldn't have continued. Most of the gamblers will go through this experience, and some people will learn a lesson, and next time they will start controlling themselves and most of the people will never learn lesson and continue until they lose all their money.

There are two types of gamblers on which those wise and dumb ones or shall we say those addicted ones on playing gambling. Experience does realyl matter since we do learn from it anytime we do commit mistakes wise people would eventually avoid that thing again for not to be happen.

You are right no matter how hard we try we do really lose by the house itself specially when we do play on longer runs we would definitely bust out no matter what.Trying hard to take advantage to the house is really a bad idea because on this way we do really lose even more.

Yes, we gamblers do not have control on ourselves and simply blaming on house edge for not able to beat it.

Long back, I had an experience like I gambled very disciplined and have stopped right after some profits and hence I believed  that I was able to beat the house edge. We need to be perfect to beat the house otherwise we are going to just experience the beauty of gambling, nothing else.

Beating the house would actually be considered like that specially when we do stop and taking profits on their site.This is actually a clever way and should be maintained but we do know that not all day we do have our luck in able to sustain profits.

I don't think so, well I know so that no one can beat the house edge. Generally even without house edge both the house and the gamblers have the same cahnges of winning and losing. But the problem is that statistics has it that you will lose a losing streak worse so long that you will lose your whole bank roll.

It's called an edge because you can't predictably beat it. In fact it is logically predictable that the house is the likely winner of any bet. If you want to get rich in gambling you buy a casino, not put your money up for a likely loss.

Well, if you let your greed take over you'll lose for sure. once you have enough profit stop! i know it's hard to stop when you're on a winning streak, but you must learn to control yourself if you want to profit. i've lost so much money because of greed.

Yeah right, Hacking the system of a gambling site is the only way you could beat the house edge, but it would be not that easy if you don't anything about hacking, it requires more on coding so it is going to take a lot of time because first, you need to study how the system is functioning and how are you going to break to its system.

And beating the house edge even just for 1%? maybe you could do this is the gambling sites which do have 2% of house edge, but how about those gambling sites that have only 1%, I guess it is not fair anymore if that is going to happen, because it is like they are giving you the money every time that you will gamble.

And beating the house edge is not important, what is important is that you need to realize that gambling will just make your bitcoin disappear and will never come back again, just think, it is hard to earn bitcoin and you are just going to spend it on gambling? think again.

Do you think everybody is rich enough to buy a casino ? lol Moreover,there wouldn't be any profits if everyone went around buying casinos.No,you cannot predict if the house is likely the winner of any bet.Provable betting system exists for a reason.

90% of the time it's impossible.The bet are verified and carried out on the server side so your cross scripting stuff barely makes any difference if you don't have an access to the actual server.Most of the hacks are due to internal leakage of the information rather than a third part attacker.

no you can't even if you figure it out all system will change then they are there to earn too.

Maybe he's just illustrating that if someone wants to earn from gambling, instead of gambling against the casino, just make one. Because statistically, the casinos will win against every gambler gambling on the casinos.

Hacking is not an option. The casinos were built to prevent any such thing to happen. Another issue is that most of the money they have are in cold storage. They only have a small fund in their hot wallets to prevent getting hacked along with all theri money.

In my opinion it maybe or maybe not, But majority of it I think it will gonna be hard for you do it to defeat the house edge. How can you defeat the one who control the rules inside the games, the only things I know is you can only win for a low average percentage in the gambling sites but don't expect that you can win for big profit unto it.

In so far of playing online dice game, I have never beat the house. It says its only 1% but is very hard. No strategy that I know of could have beaten the house. Yes, at the beginning you may have won, but in the long run you will lose everything. So its much better to just won a little or just 20% of your bankroll then withdraw you money.

That's why the best strategy is in fact mathematically to bet everything you have only once :D

The less you bet the more you have a chance to beat the HE by chance.

How ? By having multiple attempts to keep on trying ?
Then it again goes in probability. Only by theoretical we are having 50% chances to beat. But in practical it seems we are not having the fair distribution of chances.

in fact it is very difficult to beat the house edge but i think only luck can enable you to beat the house edge. i think all the casino have setup a house edge and they give very little advantage to the customers.  so those casinos who will give advantages to the customers will be more popular. for example in duck dice people have many chance to get money because they receive a very little house edge and mostly give advantage to the customers.

There is, and it is not martingale, it is only a method, the strategy would be quit when you are winning and never play again.  You beat the house edge?  Yes!  Simple as that.  But never dream of beating the same house again and again, Law of average is against you next time.

yes i am agree with you and i think we don't have to beat the house but we can follow with the house so we can make money too like what the house did. i think its fair enough for us to stay with the house unless the house is getting broke for the gambling business and if that is happen, then we should leave and find the other house so we can follow it. but maybe in the other games, we can not follow the house because of something and i think we don't have to select this site, there is many good site that we can choose.

Unless you play for free, or you are really lucky to win something good and never play again it's impossible to beat house edge in long run.
Can you explain how is duck dice giving advantage to players?

I agree that  beating the house edge in the long run is impossible.  It is mathematically favored House edge if you keep on playing in the same house for a long time.  Though I can see some people to be able to book a big win against the house.   I just don't know if they can do it again for couple more times.

You may defeat the house edge few times only, but in the end the house edge will always bringing us to loss. Which means it is only in our dreams if beat house edge for several times. But your tactics was not so bad at all. :D

I agree that we can defeat the house edge but to stay with that statistic we need some strategy.  Honestly, if we rely mathematically, we cannot beat the house edge  in the long run.  It is due to the certain percentage of odd that favors the house.  the strategy I am telling is martingale with forced stop when you win after streak of loses.

Have you checked House Edge in standard brick and mortar casino? There are games with lower House Edge than 1%.
Black Jack (and its variations like Spanish 21) is known for having extremely low HE - 0.28%
For Video Poker House Edge is usually less than 1% too, I rarely see anyone exploiting that fact.
If Black Jack was that unprofitable for the casino to keep around why they still have this game around?

You are correct, as long as there is a housed edge regardless how small it is, the advantage are still in the house and that be seen with the way they are operating and we know there are plenty of gambling sites who had some success than those who fail. I like to see the time that we all be educated in the reality that we cannot be the house edge, stop fantasizing but making a working method as it's name will not justify though.

That is what I mean. At a casino the house has to be the most likely winner. They are not playing a game like the casino patrons, they are working a mathematical system to win more often than anyone else. They may lose individual plays, they may pay out more to a specific gambler than they made, but over time and on average they will have a more or less predictable advantage on all bets. "Provable betting" shows all the math, but is in no way a level playing field. Gambling websites are making money not providing a free public gambling service.

Well I think that the house edge is on of the things in gambling that we really can't do anything about. It's a fact and we can't control it. The only thing we can do is to try to play around that house edge, we can't win against it so learn to play with it. Play while you're expecting that the house will beat you and try to figure out things that you have a little control about to avoid losing a lot of money

I think no strategy will help you to beat house edge. That too, in the long run, you can not beat this house edge. You can only control your play when you are in the long term win. If you not controlled your play you will definitely end with the big loss.. and some people try to beat house edge by using martingale method I don't know how many are succeed but for me, i am not succeeded in this method.

yes house edge can be beat but in very few games, like in sports games we can beat the house edge as in sports games we mostly depend on our experience therefore there we have the opportunity to beat house edge.

Of course they are beatable that's why it's called a gamble, they are risking just like you but maybe they are risking less as the house always have the edge but with careful strategy and statistics mixed with a little luck you can sure turn your little advantage into huge profits. Don't let anyone discourage you, you can beat them.

Only in some games where skill is involved heavily like Texas Holdem Poker, you may have a chance to go to a casino and beat them in this but usually in slots ,dice and roulette (cannot martingale infinitely, casinos have become smarter and placed a betting limit) will end up losing in the long run.

Thats right, poker and blackjack can beat the house, this gambles just really includes a skill which not everyone have. I am watching movies about that and there are also written in books which is a good proof of it.

I agreed only in 1% you can possibly beat the house edge. But most often we always encounter loss in the games. Because house edge is the main reason why gambling get in profit.

It's better to play Texas Holdem Poker rather than those live poker games, I find it hard to beat because their staff is cheating with players. They are using some kind of flipping strategy with their cards. Sports bet is another game that we can play for beating the house because the results are hard to manipulate unless that sports book is connected to the game management of that particular sport.

no you can't beat the house edge AFAIK, if you win you are only lucky, with the math you will know why, example in 2x multipliers, if you play 1000 bets you are expected to win only 495 and you will lose 505, that alone will give you negative profit.

Yes you can, just change the win chance.

Lol, you are so funny, changing the win chance will also change your payout and that will not eliminate the house edge. Just accept the reality that it is their for a reason and if we do not want to play with the house edge, we are free to choose other games with no house edge. Now, maybe you need to analyze more why there are still people who playing games which they do not have the advantage, the answer is very simple, it's very entertaining that's why they choose to stay and does not mind the house edge.

Whatever winning chance still there will be some house edge because these casinos need to make some profits so they will keep house edge always on. But if you're saying that even though there is a house edge you can still make a profit from the gambling then that's also wrong because in the longer run house is always going to win. So gambling should be played only for fun not for making profit.

you do realize that when you change the chance of winning, your multiplier is also changing right?
and the multiplier changing means you are winning less amounts and if you just use a simplest calculator you can see that you have a harder time to beat the house edge on anything other than 2x since you win small and lose a huge amount.

No matter how you would change the multiplier or the odds if you are not lucky enough that would be still useless no matter what. Actually players can somehow beat the house specially when they won big amounts but this is just on rare cases because most of the time we are beaten up by the house and lose our money on longer runs.

Never heard of this variation of black jack before.
Care to explain the difference between spanish 21 and the black jack we American's are familiarized with playing?
Is it like Texas hold'em for poker?

Changing odds gives the house even more edge over your chances of winning, only way is to play 50-50 then there is no house edge.
And if you trying to just play for fun knowing that you'll lose at the end of the run then you're an idiot, gambling is only fun when you let your chance to decide(50-50).

No, regardless of the odds you will choose, the house edge will always stays the same. You can choose the lower higher edge but that would only give you are lower payout, that's how it works and if we will fool ourselves that we have a good chance doing it, then we will surely lose more than we expected to lose. You can win in a short terms choosing a lower odds which favors you but as you go longer, you will still lose, in the end it's still the house who is at profit.

The house and the odds at which you are playing are entirely different. It has nothing to do with the rolls but house edge will make a difference at any given point of time. But do not assume that you are playing without a house edge if you are rolling with 50 /50 ,that is not the case .The only site that provides a house edge of 0% during happy hours is crypto games .

for myself, i think i don't have that 1% when i am playing gambling and i don't think that i can beat the house, the possibility is small and i only wants to enjoy the games than to beat the house. but if we can win for more than 5 times, is it called that we have beat the house or not? because i am have this experience although its not work in every time i am playing gambling.

As i saw on the past regarding on cryptogames 0% house edge which is really great but doesnt matter at all in longer runs even on 50-50% chance. Winning isnt a guarantee and speaking of house edge we can beat them if we are lucky.

No matter how the house edge is, I never feel that I could beat it. 0% huh? I still lose. Maybe i am not lucky enough to beat the house and gambling does not like me at all. Maybe in the future, when I have some skills and tricks, I can beat the house in the trickiest way. Well, right not, I still have to accept to become the loser

i do not think that there will be every 0% house edge. i think the only way to make money and run a casino is to get some house edge, i think in some cases we can beat house edge like in sports games we can beat a hose edge.

Is there really a house edge in sports betting?  As far as i know you are competing with other players here. 

I also think the a player can beat the house edge if he stopped playing before it kicks in.  What I am trying to say, if you are winning, do not wait before you lose all those winning before stopping.  You must stop while winning to book profit and beat house edge.

Sports betting, as far as my idea is concerned, doesn't have a house edge literally since the output depends on the performance of the players in their respective sports. Even a fixed match is far away and doesn't have a linked from the idea of house edge in sports betting.

We can profit from sports betting by doing good analyzation which is not applicable when doing gambling at those gambling type that have a house edge. That is the difference when playing at strategy based gambling games to house edge gambling games.

I can say, we sports bettors knows more than those who just read about sports betting. Maybe also, the juice can be misunderstood as the house edge.
The thing is, when we are betting in sports, we can always select the best odd which we think there is a value and it could be over or below the 2.00, in my case I always select odds with 2.00 above so in the long run I can still be in profit if my winning percentage is great.

You don't know how these games work and still calling people Idiot. That shows that what you're. Do you think that you can earn money from gambling in that longer run? and all these gambling houses put so much investment and waiting for you to win. They are doing business to make profit for them so think logically before your lose all your money in these gambling addiction.

if you calculate by yourself ( actually there a lot of calculation have been made out there ) about how much sportsbetting having house edge , it's has much bigger than casino house edge which average 1% or so. where sportsbetting have house edge more than that. even with analysisi or something it's really hard to beat them in the long run.

It's too difficult to beat the house honestly speaking, if anyone can beat the house, perhaps that gambler is an expert in gambling site anyway. Because like I'm not giving a big amount every time I deposited in my bankroll.

Yup, in the long run. If you are a gambling addiction you'll have a hell of a problem losing to house edge. If you occasionally gamble for a little fun then the house edge is less apparent. If you win you walk away and keep smiling while the addicted gambler keeps going and going until it's all gone.

Players do really have different aims on playing gambling and they do have really disadvantages on longer runs.Beating house edge would be really hard specially on longer runs that's why we should know how to go out when we are on profits.

You should really accept that you are a loser on playing gambling since its the reality no matter how you play even on 0% house edge you will really lose no matter what.Its gambling and we all know its a game of chance.

Yes ,you're right whatever you do in gambling you will be a loser there is no way to beat the house edge unless you can control their gambling house with your hands . In the future you will only giving your money into gambling like bank but you can't withdraw .Why dont just play normally don't aim for any have fun or being serious its all gambling.

No you can't beat it because it always has a higher percentage hence the advantage

Even if they have the advantage, you can beat them but only in a short term period, no one beat the house in the long run as gambling sites are destine to be profitable and we are not. With that, we must be doing what is right to minimize the risk, there is no easy money in gambling and we should understand that but our gambling activity could benefit us if we are only doing it as a source of entertainment in life.