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Title: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 17, 2017, 02:04:07 AM
https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/ (https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/)

Let your voice be heard!

President Trump has issued a poll (at the link above) to get the People's opinion on how the US mainstream media has been treating him.

If you care to participate the link is above!


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: KillyGon on February 18, 2017, 04:36:18 AM
why not open vote in this thread, but iam not US people, so i want not vote


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Jannn on February 18, 2017, 05:13:10 AM
https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/ (https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/)

Let your voice be heard!

President Trump has issued a poll (at the link above) to get the People's opinion on how the US mainstream media has been treating him.

If you care to participate the link is above!
Its happen that everytime when some media companies didn't like the one person like happening to Donald Trump now.
If you didn't fight you will lose.The main weapon of every media companies is the public opinion that they using to discredit someone.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 18, 2017, 05:37:24 AM
Its happen that everytime when some media companies didn't like the one person like happening to Donald Trump now.
If you didn't fight you will lose.The main weapon of every media companies is the public opinion that they using to discredit someone.

Interesting point.

Do you think it's a weapon they choose to use or a (mostly) unintended consequence of chasing the sensationalism that sells "newspapers"?

Trump's earned A LOT of scrutiny. The guy comes off half-cocked every time he speaks out loud. He shouldn't try so hard. His shallow ego trips him up every time, gets in his way. It makes him an easy and often times appropriate target for public scrutiny. The media is a voice of that public opinion.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: coolcoinz on February 18, 2017, 05:39:42 AM
why not open vote in this thread, but iam not US people, so i want not vote
I'm also not a US citizen, so I won't vote, but I think the media are doing a good job trying to show him in a bad light. He is just beginning his presidency and there's so much negativity already.
I haven't seen that with any other president in the past.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Xester on February 18, 2017, 06:45:43 AM
https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/ (https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/)

Let your voice be heard!

President Trump has issued a poll (at the link above) to get the People's opinion on how the US mainstream media has been treating him.

If you care to participate the link is above!

I dont want to participate in the poll since I dont live in the United States of America and my current location is in the Philippines. Instead of answering the poll I will only give my opinion on such matter. The losing party of Clinton together with Obama and the groups behind them are the mastermind in manipulating the media to destroy the reputation of Trump as well as the trust of the people towards him. They are masters of orchestrating black propaganda around the world to destroy any enemy who will not bow down before them. It also happened in the Philippines, the previous administration who are puppets of the group behind Obama was now orchestrating something and using the media to destroy the current President of the Philippines. It is the same strategy that they are using against Trump. For them its all business, since business and politics for them is equivalent to profit. The moment they will lost grip of a country they will lose their source of income and will do everything in their power to take it back.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Jannn on February 18, 2017, 08:29:23 AM
The media is a voice of that public opinion.
But sometimes they using that to discredit someone.Some media companies making some fake news without some basis into it.
And im think you know that what happens to the person that they read or watch it.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Fortify on February 18, 2017, 09:21:01 AM
It's rather weird how this person is possibly the least popular, least respected and most offensive president in decades. It's only a month in and he is turning American democracy on it's head: Discrediting judges, attacking the intelligence community and ranting about the media. It is very dangerous and the whole world will suffer because of his stupidity.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: gabmen on February 18, 2017, 01:41:04 PM
https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/ (https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/)

Let your voice be heard!

President Trump has issued a poll (at the link above) to get the People's opinion on how the US mainstream media has been treating him.

If you care to participate the link is above!

Well though some of trump's decisions are by some people's standards unacceptable, like the travel ban which i too consider as being a bit racist, i think that mainstream media is a bit unfair to trump. I mean not only trump. The people controlling mainstream media are very powerful, and for me even influential enough to topple governments. This is happening to leaders that have an unconventional style of governing like that of trump and that of the philippine president


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: InvoKing on February 18, 2017, 01:44:24 PM
https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/ (https://action.trump2016.com/trump-mms-survey/)

Let your voice be heard!

President Trump has issued a poll (at the link above) to get the People's opinion on how the US mainstream media has been treating him.

If you care to participate the link is above!

30 questions to answer in order to discredit some media channels and to make America great again...forever...
Narcissism


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Sithara007 on February 18, 2017, 01:58:27 PM
Well though some of trump's decisions are by some people's standards unacceptable, like the travel ban which i too consider as being a bit racist, i think that mainstream media is a bit unfair to trump. I mean not only trump. The people controlling mainstream media are very powerful, and for me even influential enough to topple governments. This is happening to leaders that have an unconventional style of governing like that of trump and that of the philippine president

Mainstream media in the United States is mostly controlled by the oligarchs such as Soros and wealthy foreigners such as Al-Waleed bin Talal and Hassanal Bolkiah. So it is not at all surprising to see the MSM behaving in a very biased way.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Daniel91 on February 18, 2017, 03:15:46 PM
It's joke really.
President Trump using so much, as he said ''alternative facts'' (basically lies) that he started to believe in his own lies.
When media showed and proved his lies, he didn't apologize but attacked media.
It seems that Trump lives in his ''own'' reality and don't want to accept truth, or facts, if such facts are different from his own opinion or words.
It's sad that so many people still trust Trump, even after so many false facts he shared until now.
It's really shows how easy is to manipulate people.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: criptix on February 18, 2017, 05:12:51 PM
Trump supporters crying about msm's alternative facts and fake news LoL

I am literally crying tears of laugh ^_+


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Spendulus on February 18, 2017, 05:19:55 PM
It's joke really.
President Trump using so much, as he said ''alternative facts'' (basically lies) that he started to believe in his own lies.
When media showed and proved his lies, he didn't apologize but attacked media.
It seems that Trump lives in his ''own'' reality and don't want to accept truth, or facts, if such facts are different from his own opinion or words.
It's sad that so many people still trust Trump, even after so many false facts he shared until now.
It's really shows how easy is to manipulate people.

If you don't understand that the press is in many cases, nothing but Democratic party operatives,then you don't understand the world.

If you do understand that the press is nothing but Democratic party operatives,then just be honest about it.  No reason to lie about it or try to hide it (and nobody will believe you if you do anyway.)


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: criptix on February 18, 2017, 05:28:36 PM
It's joke really.
President Trump using so much, as he said ''alternative facts'' (basically lies) that he started to believe in his own lies.
When media showed and proved his lies, he didn't apologize but attacked media.
It seems that Trump lives in his ''own'' reality and don't want to accept truth, or facts, if such facts are different from his own opinion or words.
It's sad that so many people still trust Trump, even after so many false facts he shared until now.
It's really shows how easy is to manipulate people.

If you don't understand that the press is in many cases, nothing but Democratic party operatives,then you don't understand the world.

If you do understand that the press is nothing but Democratic party operatives,then just be honest about it.  No reason to lie about it or try to hide it (and nobody will believe you if you do anyway.)

What about breitbart, RT and alex jones?
They are mainstream media - tens of millions of people are watching and reading them.
Big demorat conspiracy right? In truth bannon is a gay leftist sjw - i knew it since the start ::)


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: LTU_btc on February 18, 2017, 06:21:06 PM
I'm not living in USA and I don't follow their news media, so I can't answer this poll. But I think this poll is pointless. Why? Because this poll is created on Trump official website and it's obvious that it will be answered by Trump supporters. I think that Trump exaggerates negative media treatment to him and so called fake news.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 18, 2017, 07:09:35 PM
In the US there are 24 hour news channels. This ends up blurring the objective reporting of news facts with the opinion of political or news pundits on how those facts should be interpreted.

One example, Trump ended up doing some business at his country club dining room (Maralago) when N. Korea shot off that missile. CNN reported the N. Korea shooting of a missile into the Sea of Japan as an "International Crisis" when discussing it in the context of criticizing Trump for conducting business in an open restaurant. International Crisis?!?!? This was absolute sensationalizing of the facts so they could make the impact of Trump's actions seem more serious.

The media needs to be held accountable, but that's for the public not the President. Trump's pissed because his own actions have been subject to appropriate ridicule by at least half the country.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Spendulus on February 19, 2017, 03:28:28 AM
It's joke really.
President Trump using so much, as he said ''alternative facts'' (basically lies) that he started to believe in his own lies.
When media showed and proved his lies, he didn't apologize but attacked media.
It seems that Trump lives in his ''own'' reality and don't want to accept truth, or facts, if such facts are different from his own opinion or words.
It's sad that so many people still trust Trump, even after so many false facts he shared until now.
It's really shows how easy is to manipulate people.

If you don't understand that the press is in many cases, nothing but Democratic party operatives,then you don't understand the world.

If you do understand that the press is nothing but Democratic party operatives,then just be honest about it.  No reason to lie about it or try to hide it (and nobody will believe you if you do anyway.)

What about breitbart, RT and alex jones?
They are mainstream media - tens of millions of people are watching and reading them.
Big demorat conspiracy right? In truth bannon is a gay leftist sjw - i knew it since the start ::)

I don't really know how to answer your question.  Are they mainstream media?

Hard to believe that with alex.
Breitbart?  Maybe they have rose to something like that status.
RT?  Really?

What would you call them?  Surely each of these has <10% the viewing of something like CNN.

Maybe 2nd tier?



Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Sithara007 on February 19, 2017, 06:37:53 AM
I'm not living in USA and I don't follow their news media, so I can't answer this poll. But I think this poll is pointless. Why? Because this poll is created on Trump official website and it's obvious that it will be answered by Trump supporters. I think that Trump exaggerates negative media treatment to him and so called fake news.

Trump's victory in the 2016 presidential elections prove his point. A majority of the Americans believed that the mainstream media was biased against Donald Trump. Else he could have never won.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Spendulus on February 19, 2017, 09:00:43 AM
I'm not living in USA and I don't follow their news media, so I can't answer this poll. But I think this poll is pointless. Why? Because this poll is created on Trump official website and it's obvious that it will be answered by Trump supporters. I think that Trump exaggerates negative media treatment to him and so called fake news.

Trump's victory in the 2016 presidential elections prove his point. A majority of the Americans believed that the mainstream media was biased against Donald Trump. Else he could have never won.

Although they did believe this, there is more to the story.   Before, during, and after the election a great deal of factual evidence came out regarding the reality of "news reporting."

Remember how the reporters would never show the empty rooms where Hillary went to speak?  And how they would never show the filled stadiums where Trump went?

A lot of the facts are right out in the open on this matter.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Sithara007 on February 20, 2017, 04:49:21 AM
Although they did believe this, there is more to the story.   Before, during, and after the election a great deal of factual evidence came out regarding the reality of "news reporting."

Remember how the reporters would never show the empty rooms where Hillary went to speak?  And how they would never show the filled stadiums where Trump went?

A lot of the facts are right out in the open on this matter.

Actually this is one of the positive outcomes of the 2016 presidential elections. The American public no longer trusts the mainstream media channels. Their biased reporting alienated a lot of people.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 20, 2017, 05:10:22 AM
Trump's victory in the 2016 presidential elections prove his point. A majority of the Americans believed that the mainstream media was biased against Donald Trump. Else he could have never won.

Technically no. A majority of people voted for Clinton. But due to the US electoral college system Trump won. The electoral college system is set to adjust up or down the power of the states so that no one population center can swing the election. I think you drastically over simplify what happened.

Actually this is one of the positive outcomes of the 2016 presidential elections. The American public no longer trusts the mainstream media channels. Their biased reporting alienated a lot of people.

No, sir. The American public no longer trusts the White House. It's hard to believe Trump's claims that the media is lying when he lies himself during the same press conference he accuses the media.

Example: He said his victory of 304 electoral college votes was the greatest win since President Reagan. Not true...
  • President Obama won 332 electoral college votes in 2012
  • President Obama won 365 votes in 2008
  • President Clinton won 379 votes in 1996
  • President Clinton won 370 votes in 1992
  • President Bush Sr. won 426 votes in 1988
  • President Reagan won 525 votes in 1984
  • President Reagan won 489 votes in 1980

Trump just lies. He's allergic to facts. He does it to help his brand, but it's doing the exact opposite. The guy is literally the "fake news" he accosts the media of.

Don't be the sheep people, Trump is shitty shepherd.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: lerryne on February 20, 2017, 08:25:19 AM
Trump is right, the media is lying.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Spendulus on February 20, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
Trump's victory in the 2016 presidential elections prove his point. A majority of the Americans believed that the mainstream media was biased against Donald Trump. Else he could have never won.

Technically no. A majority of people voted for Clinton. But due to the US electoral college system Trump won. The electoral college system is set to adjust up or down the power of the states so that no one population center can swing the election. I think you drastically over simplify what happened.

Actually this is one of the positive outcomes of the 2016 presidential elections. The American public no longer trusts the mainstream media channels. Their biased reporting alienated a lot of people.

No, sir. The American public no longer trusts the White House. It's hard to believe Trump's claims that the media is lying when he lies himself during the same press conference he accuses the media.

Example: He said his victory of 304 electoral college votes was the greatest win since President Reagan. Not true...
  • President Obama won 332 electoral college votes in 2012
  • President Obama won 365 votes in 2008
  • President Clinton won 379 votes in 1996
  • President Clinton won 370 votes in 1992
  • President Bush Sr. won 426 votes in 1988
  • President Reagan won 525 votes in 1984
  • President Reagan won 489 votes in 1980

Trump just lies. He's allergic to facts. He does it to help his brand, but it's doing the exact opposite. The guy is literally the "fake news" he accosts the media of.

Don't be the sheep people, Trump is shitty shepherd.
you mis state that "victory of 304" matter, he admitted maybe he had the number wrong.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: craked5 on February 20, 2017, 06:23:14 PM
Yeah because Trump doesn't give fake news at all  ;D

Media at least are based on truth. Of course they present you THEIR version of the truth, but it's rarely a pure lie. More like lies by omission or over interpretation.
While Trump purely and simply lies. Without giving a fuck xD

Like the "incident in Sweden" which is just the most recent lie he gave.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: squatz1 on February 20, 2017, 07:05:38 PM
Its happen that everytime when some media companies didn't like the one person like happening to Donald Trump now.
If you didn't fight you will lose.The main weapon of every media companies is the public opinion that they using to discredit someone.

Interesting point.

Do you think it's a weapon they choose to use or a (mostly) unintended consequence of chasing the sensationalism that sells "newspapers"?

Trump's earned A LOT of scrutiny. The guy comes off half-cocked every time he speaks out loud. He shouldn't try so hard. His shallow ego trips him up every time, gets in his way. It makes him an easy and often times appropriate target for public scrutiny. The media is a voice of that public opinion.

I would have to disagree with you, the media is attempting to follow this new culture that is present in the US where everyone that doesn't agree with a Liberal is a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, and so on and so forth. They're banking on the current divide in America due to the recent election and so on before it.

They just haven't noticed that the silent majority doesn't care what they do, they voted for Donald Trump in order to have people know that the MSM (Main Stream Media) are a bunch of lying cowards who are just following orders from above to promote the Liberal agenda
 
I'm not living in USA and I don't follow their news media, so I can't answer this poll. But I think this poll is pointless. Why? Because this poll is created on Trump official website and it's obvious that it will be answered by Trump supporters. I think that Trump exaggerates negative media treatment to him and so called fake news.

Not true in the least buddy, I'll go on CNN one day and out of the 10 "top stories" or whatever they call them, at least 8 of them are attempting to exaggerate a story, pull some words out of context, deceive people, and so on in order to make Trump look like the bad guy.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: ValeryBark on February 20, 2017, 07:16:45 PM
Although they did believe this, there is more to the story.   Before, during, and after the election a great deal of factual evidence came out regarding the reality of "news reporting."

Remember how the reporters would never show the empty rooms where Hillary went to speak?  And how they would never show the filled stadiums where Trump went?

A lot of the facts are right out in the open on this matter.

Actually this is one of the positive outcomes of the 2016 presidential elections. The American public no longer trusts the mainstream media channels. Their biased reporting alienated a lot of people.
Unfortunately this problem does not affect only the United States of America. This problem almost in all countries. Nowadays very expensive to maintain media. They can't earn their keep and they are the oligarchs who pursue their own goals and influence the editorial policy of these media.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 20, 2017, 08:04:37 PM
you mis state that "victory of 304" matter, he admitted maybe he had the number wrong.

Can you be more specific?

Here's an Independent.com article supporting my comments: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-news-electoral-college-ronald-reagan-biggest-win-claim-a7584481.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-news-electoral-college-ronald-reagan-biggest-win-claim-a7584481.html)

I couldn't find any articles saying he took that comment back. And please don't tell me "of course, it's the media! They don't want you to know!" because there's a fair amount of pro Trump media outlets that would - Brietbart, Townhall, etc.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 20, 2017, 08:24:16 PM
the media is attempting to follow this new culture that is present in the US where everyone that doesn't agree with a Liberal is a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, and so on and so forth.

The only time this is true is when the alternative (to a Liberal ideology) is in fact "racist, misogynistic, xenophobic." Trump and his platform embrace these three things.

Racist: He's made racist comments about black people, muslim people, and mexican people. Although I will aboslutely concede that he didn't call Mexican's rapists, he said the Mexicans immigrating to the US were (in part) rapists. All media has taken this out of context since the beginning and it's usually in how they write the quote - they quote as saying "they're rapists" when what he said is "their rapists"...there's a distinct difference. Source of other racists comments: http://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/ (http://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/)

Misogynistic: Trump disrespects women constantly, starting with his own Daughter. Sources: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/)

Xenophobic: His ban on Muslim refugees from 7 different countries proves he's afraid of people from other countries. He's also labeled other countrymen as being threats to America. It's just not true. We gain by interacting with other cultures and races, it's what made America the strongest country on Earth.

One thing Trump is not, is anti-gay. Anyone telling you otherwise is ignoring the facts. The sources I provided aren't liberal bias, they aren't media out to get him, they aren't "fake news"...they're his actual words. He's said these things. If those statements aren't true it's because Trump himself is lying to us.

I would have to disagree with you

I fully respect that. And I'm glad we can talk about this like adults, having two opposing views. And if I were Trump I'd now be accusing you of attacking me, being out to get me, being jealous of something I've done or said. Trump despises any negative comment about him, regardless of how significant or where it comes from. That personality trait demonstrates his narcissist and defensive character. That's a weak personality trait to have in his current position and it motivates him to call the media the enemy when they're just reporting on what he does and says.

They're banking on the current divide in America due to the recent election and so on before it.

The only groups banking on the current divide in America are the Republican and Democrat parties. They thrive when America is divided. The're both, equally, driving the "If you're not with us, you're against us" attitude...and it's killing the Country. This sentiment is clearly embraced by Trump, but also by everyone in the two major parties - the people that go to his rallies and the people who protest.

If the divide continues we'll end up in civil war. There has to be a point when either both sides concede that the need to work together regardless of differences OR a third, mainstream party needs to arise. The Liberals don't have the right answers and the Conservatives don't either. The only answer is compromise and sometimes I see hints that Trump is able to do that, but the more he lashes out at the press the more I think not.

Great talking to you, let's keep it going!


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: s0nix on February 20, 2017, 08:38:14 PM
I really not fan of the mainstream media.
But hell, this trump is a total idiot, the man of the alternative facts (lies).
"What was in Sweden yesterday -" - I can not believe that the President of the United States publicly says such a nonsense.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 20, 2017, 08:54:27 PM

It was an odd comment by Trump, but was totally blown out of proportion by the media. The reason why he said it is understandable, although not at the time that he said it. Maybe the fact that everyone assumed he was talking about a terrorist attack speaks to what we expect to see in the media. And maybe Trump could elaborate on the obscure reference when we're saying it so the media and public aren't left to question his words (and then presume his BSC.)

The more material he gives them...

I really not fan of the mainstream media.
But hell, this trump is a total idiot, the man of the alternative facts (lies).
"What was in Sweden yesterday -" - I can not believe that the President of the United States publicly says such a nonsense.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: s0nix on February 20, 2017, 09:03:01 PM

It was an odd comment by Trump, but was totally blown out of proportion by the media. The reason why he said it is understandable, although not at the time that he said it. Maybe the fact that everyone assumed he was talking about a terrorist attack speaks to what we expect to see in the media. And maybe Trump could elaborate on the obscure reference when we're saying it so the media and public aren't left to question his words (and then presume his BSC.)

The more material he gives them...

I really not fan of the mainstream media.
But hell, this trump is a total idiot, the man of the alternative facts (lies).
"What was in Sweden yesterday -" - I can not believe that the President of the United States publicly says such a nonsense.

Honestly, is there no difference when a troll post some rubbish in a chat or whether the President of the United States speaking to his people (and to the world)?


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: signature200 on February 20, 2017, 09:36:18 PM
As it makes no difference. Can't imagine that the President of the most powerful country in the world could carry nonsense for which you have to justify all of the white house. What self-respecting President will sit down at the negotiating table with such an idiot like Trump?


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Spendulus on February 20, 2017, 09:41:11 PM
you mis state that "victory of 304" matter, he admitted maybe he had the number wrong.

Can you be more specific?

Here's an Independent.com article supporting my comments: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-news-electoral-college-ronald-reagan-biggest-win-claim-a7584481.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-news-electoral-college-ronald-reagan-biggest-win-claim-a7584481.html)

I couldn't find any articles saying he took that comment back. And please don't tell me "of course, it's the media! They don't want you to know!" because there's a fair amount of pro Trump media outlets that would - Brietbart, Townhall, etc.

ARTICLE?????

You just look at the video, it's right there during his press conference.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Spendulus on February 20, 2017, 09:58:15 PM
the media is attempting to follow this new culture that is present in the US where everyone that doesn't agree with a Liberal is a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, and so on and so forth.

The only time this is true is when the alternative (to a Liberal ideology) is in fact "racist, misogynistic, xenophobic." Trump and his platform embrace these three things.

Racist: He's made racist comments about black people, muslim people, and mexican people. ....

Misogynistic: Trump disrespects women constantly, starting with his own Daughter. Sources: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/)

Xenophobic: His ban on Muslim refugees from 7 different countries proves he's afraid of people from other countries. He's also labeled other countrymen as being threats to America. It's just not true. ....
Neither muslim or mexican is "a race."

Trump may ALSO respect women constantly.  Had you considered that?

Bolded - "proves he's afraid?"  No, the ban does not prove he's afraid.  You clearly don't have the facts regarding that temporary ban.



Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Barrymore on February 20, 2017, 10:19:17 PM
Although they did believe this, there is more to the story.   Before, during, and after the election a great deal of factual evidence came out regarding the reality of "news reporting."

Remember how the reporters would never show the empty rooms where Hillary went to speak?  And how they would never show the filled stadiums where Trump went?

A lot of the facts are right out in the open on this matter.

Actually this is one of the positive outcomes of the 2016 presidential elections. The American public no longer trusts the mainstream media channels. Their biased reporting alienated a lot of people.
I no longer trust the media. But it's not pleasant. Tell me where you hear the news if you don't trust the media. How do you know that's true? If everything is put in doubt, it is not interesting to live. Don't you think?


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Sithara007 on February 21, 2017, 02:25:50 AM
Racist: He's made racist comments about black people, muslim people, and mexican people. Although I will aboslutely concede that he didn't call Mexican's rapists, he said the Mexicans immigrating to the US were (in part) rapists. All media has taken this out of context since the beginning and it's usually in how they write the quote - they quote as saying "they're rapists" when what he said is "their rapists"...there's a distinct difference. Source of other racists comments: http://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/ (http://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/)

He didn't said anything offensive. He said that the African Americans are living in hell, due to the high crime rates. I don't think that it is a racist statement.

Xenophobic: His ban on Muslim refugees from 7 different countries proves he's afraid of people from other countries. He's also labeled other countrymen as being threats to America. It's just not true. We gain by interacting with other cultures and races, it's what made America the strongest country on Earth.

Don't lie. There was no ban and he didn't targeted the Muslims. He temporarily suspended the immigration from seven countries (for people from all the religions).


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: ethereumhunter on February 21, 2017, 02:35:47 AM
actually i am 100% trust with media, sometime they make incredible article to make panic, horrible situations and else but sometime they make real article and reporting. in this side, if the media is make real article from real situations, i think maybe people will be stick with them and they can push government to make change.

sometime trump make regulations that maybe make people protest about his regulations like what i've seen on television that trump made racism comment but maybe he forget that in US, the citizens are come from many ethnic which is moslem, african and else.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 21, 2017, 04:11:26 AM
Racist: He's made racist comments about black people, muslim people, and mexican people. Although I will aboslutely concede that he didn't call Mexican's rapists, he said the Mexicans immigrating to the US were (in part) rapists. All media has taken this out of context since the beginning and it's usually in how they write the quote - they quote as saying "they're rapists" when what he said is "their rapists"...there's a distinct difference. Source of other racists comments: http://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/ (http://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/)

He didn't said anything offensive. He said that the African Americans are living in hell, due to the high crime rates. I don't think that it is a racist statement.

Xenophobic: His ban on Muslim refugees from 7 different countries proves he's afraid of people from other countries. He's also labeled other countrymen as being threats to America. It's just not true. We gain by interacting with other cultures and races, it's what made America the strongest country on Earth.

Don't lie. There was no ban and he didn't targeted the Muslims. He temporarily suspended the immigration from seven countries (for people from all the religions).

Friend, regarding the ban. It's a ban because Trump called it a ban.

  • "In a written statement late Monday afternoon, the Trump campaign said the Republican frontrunner wanted a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.” -TheAtlantic.com, https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/donald-trumps-call-to-ban-muslim-immigrants/419298/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/donald-trumps-call-to-ban-muslim-immigrants/419298/)

Regarding race, I noticed you didn't refute my evidence that he's made racist comments about muslim people or mexican people...so he's still racist, yeah? Just not to black people?

  • “I have a great relationship with the blacks. I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks.” .-International Business Times, http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-racist-15-controversial-quotes-president-elect-said-about-blacks-2447531 (http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-racist-15-controversial-quotes-president-elect-said-about-blacks-2447531)
  • “If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me,” Trump said in response to Khizr Kahn, the father of fallen Muslim Army Captain Humayun Khan, after his Democratic National Convention speech in July.

Listen man, it's clear this kind of talk doesn't bother you, but it is racist. It is sexist. It is xenophobic. Don't act like Trump and pretend shit isn't true or ignore the facts. These are his own words.

You'd have a better argument if you said "yeah, he's racist, but that doesn't matter because he'll fix these 5 things in the Country that will make the lives better of those that are hurting the most". I don't think he's capable of that success, but we all win if he does and only time will tell.

His success is our success, but he's still a racist, sexist, xenophobic person. He doesn't earn most people's respect because he doesn't give anyone respect.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Spendulus on February 21, 2017, 04:46:34 AM
Racist: He's made racist comments about black people, muslim people, and mexican people. Although I will aboslutely concede that he didn't call Mexican's rapists, he said the Mexicans immigrating to the US were (in part) rapists. All media has taken this out of context since the beginning and it's usually in how they write the quote - they quote as saying "they're rapists" when what he said is "their rapists"...there's a distinct difference. Source of other racists comments: http://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/ (http://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/)

He didn't said anything offensive. He said that the African Americans are living in hell, due to the high crime rates. I don't think that it is a racist statement.

Xenophobic: His ban on Muslim refugees from 7 different countries proves he's afraid of people from other countries. He's also labeled other countrymen as being threats to America. It's just not true. We gain by interacting with other cultures and races, it's what made America the strongest country on Earth.

Don't lie. There was no ban and he didn't targeted the Muslims. He temporarily suspended the immigration from seven countries (for people from all the religions).

Friend, regarding the ban. It's a ban because Trump called it a ban.

  • "In a written statement late Monday afternoon, the Trump campaign said the Republican frontrunner wanted a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.” -TheAtlantic.com, https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/donald-trumps-call-to-ban-muslim-immigrants/419298/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/donald-trumps-call-to-ban-muslim-immigrants/419298/)

Regarding race, I noticed you didn't refute my evidence that he's made racist comments about muslim people or mexican people...so he's still racist, yeah? Just not to black people?

  • “I have a great relationship with the blacks. I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks.” .-International Business Times, http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-racist-15-controversial-quotes-president-elect-said-about-blacks-2447531 (http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-racist-15-controversial-quotes-president-elect-said-about-blacks-2447531)
  • “If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me,” Trump said in response to Khizr Kahn, the father of fallen Muslim Army Captain Humayun Khan, after his Democratic National Convention speech in July.

Listen man, it's clear this kind of talk doesn't bother you, but it is racist. It is sexist. It is xenophobic. Don't act like Trump and pretend shit isn't true or ignore the facts. These are his own words.

You'd have a better argument if you said "yeah, he's racist, but that doesn't matter because he'll fix these 5 things in the Country that will make the lives better of those that are hurting the most". I don't think he's capable of that success, but we all win if he does and only time will tell.

His success is our success, but he's still a racist, sexist, xenophobic person. He doesn't earn most people's respect because he doesn't give anyone respect.
This is some really twisted thinking, dude.  I know you are just repeating it but let me explore where this goes.

"It's a ban if he says it's a ban."

Not if you use the word to mean something completely different than what he said.

"I have a great relationship with blacks."

Sounds very, very UNRACIST to me.

"Regarding race, I noticed you didn't refute my evidence that he's made racist comments about muslim people or mexican people...so he's still racist, yeah? Just not to black people?"

Neither muslim or mexican is a race.  Muslim is a religion and Mexican is a nation with citizens.  Hispanic is a group of about 800 surnames, in case it interests you.

So you want to assert he's made racist remarks about the two categories which are not a race and has not made racist remarks about the one which is a race?

I believe it's understandable if anyone doesn't like Trump.  Period.  But racist, nope.  

Sexist, he's not even trying to be politically correct.  Part of why he was voted in was a lot of people thinking PC had gone too far.  How about if I assert that your use of the concept is outmoded, antiquidated, and won't work? 

Xenophobic?  This is a guy who has world wide business relationships with all kinds of people.   Are you fucking kidding?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia


Can we clear some of this up please?


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 21, 2017, 06:30:24 AM
Can we clear some of this up please?

We could start by you representing what I presented correctly. You miss quote a few things I said and you're splitting hairs on other points.

So let's break down what you're calling me out about:
1. Trump's Exec Order to halt immigration of Muslim refugees isn't a ban because of why? (Your comment is unclear). But here's a quote of a tweet from Trump: Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump 'Immigration Ban Is One Of Trump's Most Popular Orders So Far'...he called it an "immigration ban"; Why should that be interpreted differently?

2. Muslim is a religion and Mexican is a nationality and I include them in the "racist" category? Ok. I agree with you.
 
3. Since Muslim is a religion and Mexican is a nationality, Trump's not racist? No, I'll provide more examples.

4. Trump's not sexist? I'll provide more examples

5. Trump's not xenophobic? Debatable. The definition: intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. Given Trump's comments about the Chinese, Japanese, Mexicans, Iraqis, Syrians, Iranians, Lybians, Somalians (sp?), Sudanese, and Yemen nationals he's subscribing to a lot of FUD.

I'll absolutely concede that Muslim isn't a race, Mexican isn't a race. So it's not racist comments toward these groups of people, it's hateful comments toward these people. Don't act like that's any worse. Hitler hated the Jews. Btw, I don't think Trump is anywhere close to Hitler. My point is that your comments to don't change the disrespect and hate in Trump's words.

More appropriate examples of Trumps racist attitude toward as he calls them, "the blacks":
  • “Laziness is a trait in blacks.”
  • “Sadly, because president Obama has done such a poor job as president, you won’t see another black president for generations!”
  • “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”
  • SOURCE: http://gawker.com/the-collected-quotes-of-donald-trump-on-the-blacks-1719961925 (http://gawker.com/the-collected-quotes-of-donald-trump-on-the-blacks-1719961925)

The one thing Trump displays most regularly is his sexist and insulting/disrespectful attitude toward woman, a few of his brilliant comments for you to consider:
  • “I think that putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing”
  • "Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next President? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"
  • How much money is the extremely unattractive (both inside and out) Arianna Huffington paying her poor ex-hubby for the use of his name?
  • Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.
  • I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there.
  • And a classic incestuous comment from the Don: "I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”
  • SOURCE: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/)
  • SOURCE: http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/entertainment/people/donald-trump-quotes-57213 (http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/entertainment/people/donald-trump-quotes-57213)

You can't deny this talk. You can't deny the hate and disrespect of these words, these thoughts. The idea of respect toward another human being isn't outdated. (And it goes against the christian religious ideals that so many hardcore republicans and Trump supporters claim to live their life by.)

What you can do...for all of us...is just admit it doesn't bother you. Admit that you think this kind of talk - this hate, disrespect, and demeaning is OK. It doesn't bother a lot of Trump voters, that's how he got elected. Let's clear that bit up.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Spendulus on February 21, 2017, 01:41:37 PM
Can we clear some of this up please?
....

You can't deny this talk. You can't deny the hate and disrespect of these words, these thoughts. The idea of respect toward another human being isn't outdated. (And it goes against the christian religious ideals that so many hardcore republicans and Trump supporters claim to live their life by.)

What you can do...for all of us...is just admit it doesn't bother you. Admit that you think this kind of talk - this hate, disrespect, and demeaning is OK. It doesn't bother a lot of Trump voters, that's how he got elected. Let's clear that bit up.

What I certainly can deny is that these words imply hate and disrespect.

But more importantly I certainly will admit it does not bother me.  I've been around a great many types and varieties of people, and that includes crude, rash, arrogant, silly, on and on.

What you are advocating is "political correctness."  A fair part of the pro-Trump movement is exactly a pushback against PC having gone too far.  Therefore it's very consistent for a "Trump supporter" to say this does not bother him.

Most of the quotes you have cited do not imply hate or disrespect.  Let me give you one example.

And a classic incestuous comment from the Don: "I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

It's exactly, blatantly NOT AN INCESTUOUS COMMENT.

If you allow yourself to be misled by this sort of twisted left wing retarded logic, you are not doing yourself any favors.....


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Spendulus on February 21, 2017, 01:49:16 PM
Can we clear some of this up please?

We could start by you representing what I presented correctly. You miss quote a few things I said and you're splitting hairs on other points.

So let's break down what you're calling me out about:
1. Trump's Exec Order to halt immigration of Muslim refugees isn't a ban because of why? (Your comment is unclear). But here's a quote of a tweet from Trump: Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump 'Immigration Ban Is One Of Trump's Most Popular Orders So Far'...he called it an "immigration ban"; Why should that be interpreted differently?....

Because the generated propaganda implies a permanent ban, when it was explicitly defined as a temporary ban of a couple months while some of the chaos left by the Obama retards is cleared up.

This is simply lying.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: mindrust on February 21, 2017, 01:50:50 PM
It was all cool before he is elected but it doesn't look so cool right now. It looks more like he is running another campaign to get himself elected in 2020. I don't understand why he is complaining about the media every time he speaks. We got his point. The media is full with liars. We knew it long before he told us anyway.

I think it is better for Mr. Trump to stop complaining about stuff.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Challenger2015 on February 21, 2017, 02:46:20 PM
It was all cool before he is elected but it doesn't look so cool right now. It looks more like he is running another campaign to get himself elected in 2020. I don't understand why he is complaining about the media every time he speaks. We got his point. The media is full with liars. We knew it long before he told us anyway.

I think it is better for Mr. Trump to stop complaining about stuff.
I disagree with you. Trump is more showman than politician. All the time while he is President he will try to be the center of attention. Tell about what he did and why Americans are better off, he can not. There is only one remedy scandal.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Spendulus on February 21, 2017, 03:36:03 PM
It was all cool before he is elected but it doesn't look so cool right now. It looks more like he is running another campaign to get himself elected in 2020. I don't understand why he is complaining about the media every time he speaks. We got his point. The media is full with liars. We knew it long before he told us anyway.

I think it is better for Mr. Trump to stop complaining about stuff.
I disagree with you. Trump is more showman than politician. All the time while he is President he will try to be the center of attention. Tell about what he did and why Americans are better off, he can not. There is only one remedy scandal.

"Telling about what he did" has been exactly the point of his weekly 10 minute reports to the public, the recent press conference and the rally in Florida.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 22, 2017, 12:22:35 AM
Can we clear some of this up please?
....

You can't deny this talk. You can't deny the hate and disrespect of these words, these thoughts. The idea of respect toward another human being isn't outdated. (And it goes against the christian religious ideals that so many hardcore republicans and Trump supporters claim to live their life by.)

What you can do...for all of us...is just admit it doesn't bother you. Admit that you think this kind of talk - this hate, disrespect, and demeaning is OK. It doesn't bother a lot of Trump voters, that's how he got elected. Let's clear that bit up.

What I certainly can deny is that these words imply hate and disrespect.

But more importantly I certainly will admit it does not bother me.  I've been around a great many types and varieties of people, and that includes crude, rash, arrogant, silly, on and on.

What you are advocating is "political correctness."  A fair part of the pro-Trump movement is exactly a pushback against PC having gone too far.  Therefore it's very consistent for a "Trump supporter" to say this does not bother him.

Most of the quotes you have cited do not imply hate or disrespect.  Let me give you one example.

If you allow yourself to be misled by this sort of twisted left wing retarded logic, you are not doing yourself any favors.....

Ok, your one example aside.

I promise you I'm not promoting political correctness. I'm promoting the idea that someone such as the President, who by job responsibility must represent and respect for all non-criminal, legal Americans, should demonstrate through his words, actions, and implications that he does in fact represent and respect everybody.

Trump's comment "laziness is a trait of black people" is textbook racism. It's stating that a race of people is inferior to another race of people. 

Trump's comment "Black guys counting my money! I hate it!" implies that he can't trust black people (a race) to handle, have possession of, or calculate his money. That's literally what his words imply...how can you deny that?

I'll summarize this for you - Trump is an asshole, and it's embarrassing to have an asshole for a President.

I have friends that talk like he does, I've talked like he does over the course of my life. My friends are the President, I'm not the President and if I were I wouldn't be talking such disrespect. It's not about politically correct talk. It's about having basic, bare minimum respect and decency for the people he's supposed to represent.

At least you don't deny that he's said these things!


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Sithara007 on February 22, 2017, 02:33:18 AM
It was all cool before he is elected but it doesn't look so cool right now. It looks more like he is running another campaign to get himself elected in 2020. I don't understand why he is complaining about the media every time he speaks. We got his point. The media is full with liars. We knew it long before he told us anyway.

I think it is better for Mr. Trump to stop complaining about stuff.
I disagree with you. Trump is more showman than politician. All the time while he is President he will try to be the center of attention. Tell about what he did and why Americans are better off, he can not. There is only one remedy scandal.

Showman is someone who doesn't fulfill his promises. Trump is different. Even before taking the presidential post, he began acting on his promises. He cut deals with some of the corporations, and managed to keep thousands of jobs in the US.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 22, 2017, 03:28:56 AM
Ok, back to media bias or not...

Trump's announced plans to deport illegal immigrants. How many news organizations are going to sensationalize this news?



It will come as news to most liberals that President Obama had record high deportations of illegal immigrants during his 8 years in office - 2.5 million deportations.

Do you think Trump will deport more people?

Source: http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/ (http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/)


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 22, 2017, 03:33:38 AM
I'm glad we can finally agree on the fact that it is a "ban"...Trump used the word "ban"....you used the word "ban".

I never questioned the length. It's always been clear that it's a 90 day or 180 day ban, depending on additional criteria.

The thing people are up in arms about is that there's no specific, actionable, targeted threat he's responding to. He's arbitrarily deciding to ban muslims from specific countries for the FUD he or his supporters are threatened by.

When you say "this is simply lying", you're referring to Trump? I'm only quoting the words of Trump and his administration...the FUD propaganda going on is Trump's.

Can we clear some of this up please?

We could start by you representing what I presented correctly. You miss quote a few things I said and you're splitting hairs on other points.

So let's break down what you're calling me out about:
1. Trump's Exec Order to halt immigration of Muslim refugees isn't a ban because of why? (Your comment is unclear). But here's a quote of a tweet from Trump: Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump 'Immigration Ban Is One Of Trump's Most Popular Orders So Far'...he called it an "immigration ban"; Why should that be interpreted differently?....

Because the generated propaganda implies a permanent ban, when it was explicitly defined as a temporary ban of a couple months while some of the chaos left by the Obama retards is cleared up.

This is simply lying.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: Sithara007 on February 22, 2017, 04:32:48 AM
It will come as news to most liberals that President Obama had record high deportations of illegal immigrants during his 8 years in office - 2.5 million deportations.

Do you think Trump will deport more people?

Source: http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/ (http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/)

Most of the time, Obama deported people who were already planning to go back to their homes (either temporarily or permanently). Obama was actually giving them free one-way tickets. Most of these people came back to the US after their short vacations in Mexico.


Title: Re: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion!
Post by: HabBear on February 22, 2017, 04:56:20 AM
Says who? Facts or it doesn't count. If you want anyone to believe provide a source. (And I don't doubt you have them.)

What do you think the accurate Obama deportation count is?

It will come as news to most liberals that President Obama had record high deportations of illegal immigrants during his 8 years in office - 2.5 million deportations.

Do you think Trump will deport more people?

Source: http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/ (http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/)

Most of the time, Obama deported people who were already planning to go back to their homes (either temporarily or permanently). Obama was actually giving them free one-way tickets. Most of these people came back to the US after their short vacations in Mexico.