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Title: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: PeterTheGrape on March 05, 2017, 12:00:49 PM
"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump on Saturday accused former President Barack Obama of tapping his phones at Trump Tower the month before the election, leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0

Trump also posted, then quickly deleted, a tweet that said "CIA has been sending zombie monkeys to infect me with Ebola. Terrible."

He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Lieldoryn on March 05, 2017, 12:09:43 PM
"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump on Saturday accused former President Barack Obama of tapping his phones at Trump Tower the month before the election, leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0

Trump also posted, then quickly deleted, a tweet that said "CIA has been sending zombie monkeys to infect me with Ebola. Terrible."

He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request.
Interestingly he was examined by psychiatrists? It seems to me that he has problems with his head. To make such statements can only old senile senile. He probably still did not understand that politics is not show business and the scandal here is not necessary.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Jordan23 on March 05, 2017, 02:46:57 PM
Have you seen the FISA warrant? You haven't? Ok bye then.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Jordan23 on March 05, 2017, 02:47:27 PM
"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump on Saturday accused former President Barack Obama of tapping his phones at Trump Tower the month before the election, leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0

Trump also posted, then quickly deleted, a tweet that said "CIA has been sending zombie monkeys to infect me with Ebola. Terrible."

He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request.
Interestingly he was examined by psychiatrists? It seems to me that he has problems with his head. To make such statements can only old senile senile. He probably still did not understand that politics is not show business and the scandal here is not necessary.

The irony here.......thank you!


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Daniel91 on March 05, 2017, 02:55:25 PM
Honestly, I don't trust Trump.
He said, until now, so many lies, crazy and stupid things, that it's really hard to trust him on anything.
It's seems that if he don't see his name in the media for more than 24 hours, he becomes upset and trying to make another ''big'' news in order to remain the main news in the headlines.
It's funny and sad that an American president thinks only about himself and popularity rather than deal with serious policy.
It's to much already.
We need real president, not TV star.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Barrymore on March 05, 2017, 02:59:30 PM
Unfortunately, we all witnessed what happens when politicians make a show. The quality of this show is very low. I think that by the end of the term Trump the American public will get vaccinated against populism and such candidates as Trump will never come to power.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: 13abyknight on March 05, 2017, 03:03:55 PM
Being the President of the United States, Trump has made a bold allegation against Obama but why would Trump be afraid at all if he did nothing wrong? I think this is just your typical political drama and we have to sit back and watch as it unfolds before us.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Forester618 on March 05, 2017, 03:14:20 PM
Being the President of the United States, Trump has made a bold allegation against Obama but why would Trump be afraid at all if he did nothing wrong? I think this is just your typical political drama and we have to sit back and watch as it unfolds before us.
I think Trump is afraid not so much for what he said than what he said members of his team. Everyone knows about the tarnished reputation of the team Trump ties with Russia. I think it is only a matter of time when these relationships will be accused Trump himself.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Spendulus on March 05, 2017, 03:49:08 PM
Being the President of the United States, Trump has made a bold allegation against Obama but why would Trump be afraid at all if he did nothing wrong? I think this is just your typical political drama and we have to sit back and watch as it unfolds before us.

Who said he was afraid?


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Maximilian_333 on March 05, 2017, 03:53:00 PM
Being the President of the United States, Trump has made a bold allegation against Obama but why would Trump be afraid at all if he did nothing wrong? I think this is just your typical political drama and we have to sit back and watch as it unfolds before us.

Who said he was afraid?
It seems to me that Trump is afraid of. All his moves come across stiff opposition. He wanted to smash the existing order, but it's not coming out. At the slightest excuse, he falls under impeachment.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Spendulus on March 05, 2017, 03:56:07 PM
"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump on Saturday accused former President Barack Obama of tapping his phones at Trump Tower the month before the election, leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0
.....

Let's out the liar(s).

Got a mirror?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/03/the-shadow-government-timeline/

...the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.


1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.

3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.

4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.

    Admiral Michael Rogers had a visit with President Trump on Friday, November 11th.
    According to the Executive Order rule changes DNI James Clapper signed off on December 15th.
    General Michael Flynn spoke to the Russian Ambassador on December 29th
    Dec 29th 2016 – Obama announces sanctions on Russia

shadow-government

6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

The new rules, which were issued in an unclassified document, entitled Procedures for the Availability or Dissemination of Raw Signals Intelligence Information by the National Security Agency (NSA), significantly relaxed longstanding limits on what the NSA may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations.

These operations are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. Surveillances include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls, and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

The changes initiated by the Obama Administration in its waning days empowered far more agents and officials to search through raw intelligence data.

    Jan 3rd 2017 – Loretta Lynch signs off on rule changes for phone taps.
    Jan 12th 2017 –  WaPo reports On Phone Calls Anonymous Intel Sources
    Jan 15th 2017 – VP Pence appears on Face the nation.
    Jan 20th 2017 – Inauguration
    Jan 23rd 2017 –  FBI reports nothing unlawful in content of Flynn call
    Jan 26th 2017 – Sally Yates (acting DOJ) informs President Trump there might be a conflict between VP Pence’s stated TV version (was told by Flynn), and what Intel community communicate to Yates that Flynn actually expressed to Russia.
    Jan 27th 2017 – White House counsel begins investigation to discrepancy.

7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties.

Other news outlets also report the existence of a multi-agency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.

8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was  part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them.

Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.

9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.

10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Postreports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office.

The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts.

The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.

In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Ucy on March 05, 2017, 04:42:08 PM
''He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request."


Are the above⬆ even necessary?  I like reading articles or posts that just go straight to the point.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: GreenBits on March 05, 2017, 04:59:55 PM
''He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request."


Are the above⬆ even necessary?  I like reading articles or posts that just go straight to the point.

Uhh, fucking yes. This man determines policy for the entire fucking world. Do you want that man to be an idiot (and it sad because he has clearly demonstrated intelligence before this campaign,). All this is posturing designed to support his base, which, at this point in the shitshow of an administration, is just right wing racist. Point to me a single motherfucking policy that has helped poor whites, the guys that put him into office? Rolling back Dodd Frank, so the elite can fuck us legally? Rolling back EPA, which also is a strong arbiter of workers rights, so that factory workers can get hurt on the job and have no recourse? Or maybe draining the swamp by appointing a full cabinet of rich assholes which have made it to their life's mission to do EXACTLY the opposite of the office they were elected to? You might have fucking hated Obama, for whatever rrason., no fucks given. He can defend himself. But for all the push back that the first black president got (over two terms, must have not been that bad, will of the people and all), did the entire free fucking world ever react like this?

Wonder why?

Will you really stand with Trump, and fall with him? I will help you up, because you are my brother, but I'll be goddamned if I didn't say over and over again that I told you so. You are playing a dangerous game, friend.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: criptix on March 05, 2017, 06:50:51 PM
''He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request."


Are the above⬆ even necessary?  I like reading articles or posts that just go straight to the point.

Uhh, fucking yes. This man determines policy for the entire fucking world. Do you want that man to be an idiot (and it sad because he has clearly demonstrated intelligence before this campaign,). All this is posturinng designed to support his base, which, at this point in the shitshow of an administration, is just right wing racist. Point to me a single motherfucking policy that has helped poor whites, the guys that put him into office? Rolling back Dodd Frank, so the elite can fuck us legally? Rolling back EPA, which also is a strong arbiter of workers rights, so that factory workers can get hurt on the job and have no recourse? Or maybe draining the swamp by appointing a full cabinet of rich assholes which have made it to their life's mission to do EXACTLY the opposite of the office they were elected to? You might have fucking hated Obama, for whatever rrason., no fucks given. He can defend himself. But for all the push back that the first black president got (over two terms, must have not been that bad, will of the people and all), did the entire free fucking world ever react like this?

Wonder why?

Will you really stand with Trump, and fall with him? I will help you up, because you are my brother, but I'll be goddamned if I didn't say over and over again that I told you so. You are playing a dangerous game, friend.

Dude you must be a libtard.
Mr. Donald "Jesus" Trump just dismantles regulations like dodd frank and departments like the EPA and DoED to make better ones!!!!



Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: GreenBits on March 05, 2017, 07:02:22 PM
''He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request."


Are the above⬆ even necessary?  I like reading articles or posts that just go straight to the point.

Uhh, fucking yes. This man determines policy for the entire fucking world. Do you want that man to be an idiot (and it sad because he has clearly demonstrated intelligence before this campaign,). All this is posturinng designed to support his base, which, at this point in the shitshow of an administration, is just right wing racist. Point to me a single motherfucking policy that has helped poor whites, the guys that put him into office? Rolling back Dodd Frank, so the elite can fuck us legally? Rolling back EPA, which also is a strong arbiter of workers rights, so that factory workers can get hurt on the job and have no recourse? Or maybe draining the swamp by appointing a full cabinet of rich assholes which have made it to their life's mission to do EXACTLY the opposite of the office they were elected to? You might have fucking hated Obama, for whatever rrason., no fucks given. He can defend himself. But for all the push back that the first black president got (over two terms, must have not been that bad, will of the people and all), did the entire free fucking world ever react like this?

Wonder why?

Will you really stand with Trump, and fall with him? I will help you up, because you are my brother, but I'll be goddamned if I didn't say over and over again that I told you so. You are playing a dangerous game, friend.

Dude you must be a libtard.
Mr. Donald "Jesus" Trump just dismantles regulations like dodd frank and departments like the EPA and DoED to make better ones!!!!



I taste your sarcasm  ;) I used to not affiliate with either party (nothing really sums up my beliefs enough for me to accept the label). But, if this is liberal retardation, then call me a moron I guess  ;D

Help me figure out how to get rural America on the short bus with me!


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Spendulus on March 05, 2017, 08:21:03 PM
....This man determines policy for the entire fucking world. Do you want that man to be an idiot (and it sad because he has clearly demonstrated intelligence before this campaign,). All this is posturing designed to support his base, which, at this point in the shitshow of an administration, is just right wing racist. Point to me a single motherfucking policy that has helped poor whites....

Okay. I'm not certain these qualify as motherfucking, though.

for coal miners.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy

for factory workers.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/bringing-back-jobs-and-growth

for inner city ghettos.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/law-enforcement-community

for blue collar workers threatened by foreign competition.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/trade-deals-working-all-americans


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: bohr on March 05, 2017, 08:25:11 PM
Unfortunately, we all witnessed what happens when politicians make a show. The quality of this show is very low. I think that by the end of the term Trump the American public will get vaccinated against populism and such candidates as Trump will never come to power.
Never say never, maybe I’m misremembering but did not the press say the same? That Trump will never be elected and here we are right?


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: GreenBits on March 05, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
....This man determines policy for the entire fucking world. Do you want that man to be an idiot (and it sad because he has clearly demonstrated intelligence before this campaign,). All this is posturing designed to support his base, which, at this point in the shitshow of an administration, is just right wing racist. Point to me a single motherfucking policy that has helped poor whites....

Okay. I'm not certain these qualify as motherfucking, though.

for coal miners.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy

for factory workers.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/bringing-back-jobs-and-growth

for inner city ghettos.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/law-enforcement-community

for blue collar workers threatened by foreign competition.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/trade-deals-working-all-americans


LOL, you have a sense of humor. Despite our differences, you can sit with us. I appreciate an appeal to reason rather than an attack. Only through synthesis can your ideas and my ideas make a better idea that is ours, together.

So, let me refute this. Bear with me, this will be long.

This is gonna help my post count like a motherfucker (I am quite enamored of that word).

1)For the coal miners.

Where should I start with this? Let me start by restating the intentions of the administration:

For too long, we’ve been held back by burdensome regulations on our energy industry. President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule. Lifting these restrictions will greatly help American workers, increasing wages by more than $30 billion over the next 7 years.

Sound energy policy begins with the recognition that we have vast untapped domestic energy reserves right here in America. The Trump Administration will embrace the shale oil and gas revolution to bring jobs and prosperity to millions of Americans. We must take advantage of the estimated $50 trillion in untapped shale, oil, and natural gas reserves, especially those on federal lands that the American people own. We will use the revenues from energy production to rebuild our roads, schools, bridges and public infrastructure. Less expensive energy will be a big boost to American agriculture, as well.

Alright. Let's talk about those 'burdensome' regulations. I'm assuming they mean the Climate and Clean Water Acts. These regulations were designed in the first place to prevent harm to workers and citizens at the hands of corporate interest. Most people care if their water is clean. Same with their air. So why would anyone object to these regulations? They wouldn't. But a corporation would. Because adhering to regulation (maybe we shouldn't dump petrochemical waste into streams?) cost money. And cost affects profit. Which is why corporations set up shop in these places (factories are usually built on the cheapest land possible, in the cheapest community you can find it). Cheap labor, and not a lot of money to litigate if say, 10 years later the town finds out you have been dumping bullshit into the water. They are taking advantage of our poor white brothers and sisters. I don't like to see people taken advantage of.

Which brings me to coal as an energy source. Really? With all the other clean sources of energy available, for cheaper? But, the environment may not be a big deal for you. So, rather than come off like a liberal Captain Planet, I'll explain it in terms every red blooded American can understand. Money.

This article sums up my feeling about the future of the coal industry in America:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/heres-how-you-know-the-coal-industry-is-all-but-dead-2016-11

Now, I encourage you to read it (it's non partisan) but if you don't, let me TLDR you. China has been suppressing its coal output to drive up the price. IE, the price of coal is artificially inflated atm. So, if these prices are inflated, China can produce more at will (much, much more), and the American coal industry is still struggling to get by, how is this going to work long-term?

And let's talk about those untapped oil reserves. There is a reason they have been largely untapped by multiple administrations, on both sides of the isle. It's because they are of strategic importance, IE if we have to, say because of a war where OPEC stops giving us fuel, we won't be fucked. Taking oil from land, tends to fuck it up pretty badly for anything else. We realized a while back it might be smart to let other countries fuck their shit up first, and deplete their supplies of a limited resource, rather than deplete our own. With the threat of war looming from multiple actors (Iran, North Korea, and Russia), is this a good time to start using that gas to take the kids to soccer practice?

Don't you think it's odd the laws affecting petrochemical companies have changed so much so recently, when the CEO of Exxon just joined the cabinet?


To me, these protections, while granting some jobs, seem to benefit the CEO s of the companies that mine the coal, not the workers.

Do you think the companies, the elite, will allow that saved money to trickle down to the salaries of the workers, or enrich the communities they operate in?

I don't.

I'll refute the next point later. My fingers hurt. Your move.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: manselr on March 06, 2017, 12:11:03 AM
Honestly, I don't trust Trump.
He said, until now, so many lies, crazy and stupid things, that it's really hard to trust him on anything.
It's seems that if he don't see his name in the media for more than 24 hours, he becomes upset and trying to make another ''big'' news in order to remain the main news in the headlines.
It's funny and sad that an American president thinks only about himself and popularity rather than deal with serious policy.
It's to much already.
We need real president, not TV star.


He is a clown. He may have some positive things, but he is a shitshow, not serious enough.

Anyway, think about it from a perspective of a bitcoin investor. As a holder, you profit from a president of the most powerful country in the word acting like a fucking teenager tweeting away random crap. Uncertainty: bitcoin to the moon.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: s0nix on March 06, 2017, 01:36:07 PM
Honestly, I don't trust Trump.
He said, until now, so many lies, crazy and stupid things, that it's really hard to trust him on anything.
It's seems that if he don't see his name in the media for more than 24 hours, he becomes upset and trying to make another ''big'' news in order to remain the main news in the headlines.
It's funny and sad that an American president thinks only about himself and popularity rather than deal with serious policy.
It's to much already.
We need real president, not TV star.


I agree.
And I would like to know what the presidents of other countries really think about this Trump.
So far I can't imagine that these people hold him for a serious and reputable partner.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: s0nix on March 06, 2017, 01:38:56 PM
And to the topic:

Comey Asks Justice Dept. to Reject Trump’s Wiretapping Claim

The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, asked the Justice Department this weekend to publicly reject President Trump’s assertion that President Barack Obama ordered the tapping of Mr. Trump’s phones, senior American officials said on Sunday. Mr. Comey has argued that the highly charged claim is false and must be corrected, they said, but the department has not released any such statement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html?_r=0


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Lancusters on March 06, 2017, 01:41:14 PM
Honestly, I don't trust Trump.
He said, until now, so many lies, crazy and stupid things, that it's really hard to trust him on anything.
It's seems that if he don't see his name in the media for more than 24 hours, he becomes upset and trying to make another ''big'' news in order to remain the main news in the headlines.
It's funny and sad that an American president thinks only about himself and popularity rather than deal with serious policy.
It's to much already.
We need real president, not TV star.


I agree.
And I would like to know what the presidents of other countries really think about this Trump.
So far I can't imagine that these people hold him for a serious and reputable partner.
Unfortunately no one in the world refers to Trump seriously. It is for this reason not seeing him one of the world's greatest politicians. The only one who wants him to meet Putin, but Trump himself is afraid of this meeting. Trump stumped.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Spendulus on March 06, 2017, 02:56:56 PM
And to the topic:

Comey Asks Justice Dept. to Reject Trump’s Wiretapping Claim

The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, asked the Justice Department this weekend to publicly reject President Trump’s assertion that President Barack Obama ordered the tapping of Mr. Trump’s phones, senior American officials said on Sunday. Mr. Comey has argued that the highly charged claim is false and must be corrected, they said, but the department has not released any such statement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html?_r=0

I believe the way to parse this garbage is NOT...

"Did Obama order the tapping (EG can you prove he did)?"

But...

"Yeah, we tapped the phones.  The Justice Dept and FBI were in on it.  Maybe Obama had plausible deniability.  Who knows, nobody expected Trump to win.  Now we're in trouble."


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Ronxawala on March 06, 2017, 07:52:40 PM
And to the topic:

Comey Asks Justice Dept. to Reject Trump’s Wiretapping Claim

The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, asked the Justice Department this weekend to publicly reject President Trump’s assertion that President Barack Obama ordered the tapping of Mr. Trump’s phones, senior American officials said on Sunday. Mr. Comey has argued that the highly charged claim is false and must be corrected, they said, but the department has not released any such statement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html?_r=0

I believe the way to parse this garbage is NOT...

"Did Obama order the tapping (EG can you prove he did)?"

But...

"Yeah, we tapped the phones.  The Justice Dept and FBI were in on it.  Maybe Obama had plausible deniability.  Who knows, nobody expected Trump to win.  Now we're in trouble."
Obama is very different warehouse people. It had all happened the other way around, and accused Obama of Trump, it would look more plausible.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: gabmen on March 07, 2017, 11:49:17 AM
"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump on Saturday accused former President Barack Obama of tapping his phones at Trump Tower the month before the election, leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0

Trump also posted, then quickly deleted, a tweet that said "CIA has been sending zombie monkeys to infect me with Ebola. Terrible."

He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request.

LOL I think these statements by trump shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't see any reason why obama would wiretap his phones. If he had it should have been used against him during the campaign. Seriously about the monkeys and ebola? Hope trump gets his act together and i think his advisers should advise him to limit his use of twitter


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: 21kevin21 on March 08, 2017, 07:05:54 AM
"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump on Saturday accused former President Barack Obama of tapping his phones at Trump Tower the month before the election, leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0

Trump also posted, then quickly deleted, a tweet that said "CIA has been sending zombie monkeys to infect me with Ebola. Terrible."

He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request.

LOL I think these statements by trump shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't see any reason why obama would wiretap his phones. If he had it should have been used against him during the campaign. Seriously about the monkeys and ebola? Hope trump gets his act together and i think his advisers should advise him to limit his use of twitter
If Trump himself wants to be perceived in earnest, and not as a comedian, he himself will cease to carry nonsense. He already like a clown and delirium do not want to listen to him. Therefore, the problem with Obama is simply conceived.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Neelyjzo on March 08, 2017, 07:32:54 AM
I think he did tap trump's phone. It's simply his style, i mean he type lots of people's phone. including the Prime Minister  of  German.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Sithara007 on March 13, 2017, 08:46:56 AM
I think he did tap trump's phone. It's simply his style, i mean he type lots of people's phone. including the Prime Minister  of  German.

Right now, this is the biggest evidence we have to support Trump's claim. It is well known that Obama had ordered to tap the phone of Angela Merkel. If he could do this to one of his biggest allies, then what prevents him from doing the same to Trump?


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: gredisgold88 on March 13, 2017, 11:37:17 AM
politic AS very hard, like a clown trump politics, he only understands the business with a lot of money and beautiful women, only this time I see the president of the United States is very funny, or do small spark that lead to a world war - 3


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: audaciousbeing on March 13, 2017, 12:24:41 PM
"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump on Saturday accused former President Barack Obama of tapping his phones at Trump Tower the month before the election, leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0

Trump also posted, then quickly deleted, a tweet that said "CIA has been sending zombie monkeys to infect me with Ebola. Terrible."

He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request.

I guess its high time the president starts doing the work why he is being elected and needs to focus on that alone. Little did he forget that the more he mentions Obama, the more popularity he is giving to him among other factors. If he has evidence, I guess there are ways to go about taming someone who does that and not via making social media and most importantly not the way he is going about it.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: bra4our on March 13, 2017, 11:03:22 PM
If the NSA were able to tap the phone of a foreign leader like Angela Merkel, i have no reason to doubt that they did the same to Donald Trump. And what annoys me is that its Liberals that did that, Imagine the outburst if this was done by the Republicans to Democratic election candidate. Trump should try and get the evidence so that this may be proven.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: swogerino on March 13, 2017, 11:25:06 PM
We will all know by the end of today since they are were officially given a deadline for the end of day Monday their time to give the answer once and for all.
Their might just well be a press conference to announce this since it is a big event that can make or break Trump's credibility to be trusted as the new president of the most influential country in the whole world! ;D
And those denying that fact are just not able to comprehend how big today's judgement really is.  :-\


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: linenoise on March 14, 2017, 03:45:27 AM
The whitehouse now says that trump didn't mean actually wiretap. He meant Obama had gone overboard on his surveillance like the latest wikileaks shows.  This was supposedly obvious because 2 out of the 4 tweets about wiretapping said "wire tapped"  in quotes.

It's taken them over a week to figure this was the best spin



Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on March 14, 2017, 05:33:26 AM
...

I believe the way to parse this garbage is NOT...

"Did Obama order the tapping (EG can you prove he did)?"

But...

"... nobody expected Trump to win.  Now we're in trouble."

op corrected


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Chin Cheng on March 14, 2017, 06:45:22 AM
politic AS very hard, like a clown trump politics, he only understands the business with a lot of money and beautiful women, only this time I see the president of the United States is very funny, or do small spark that lead to a world war - 3
It may be because you are delusional, how on earth he will be the reason for another world war,what has he done .He is speaking the truth as phone tapping is not a new thing and they have being doing so for a very long time and they are monitoring every major personalities and if that is said by the current president it does not mean that he is crazy,he is just speaking the truth and whether he will implement the same old methods is another thing.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Sithara007 on March 14, 2017, 09:41:39 AM
The whitehouse now says that trump didn't mean actually wiretap. He meant Obama had gone overboard on his surveillance like the latest wikileaks shows.  This was supposedly obvious because 2 out of the 4 tweets about wiretapping said "wire tapped"  in quotes.

It's taken them over a week to figure this was the best spin

Spin or not, Trump's image will not take a hit because if this. There exists enough evidence to prove that Obama spied on his enemies as well as his allies. Even if evidence specific to his spying on Trump is not uncovered, the general public is going to take a favorable stance towards Trump.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Kemarit on March 14, 2017, 10:06:31 AM
I don't think Obama can order the FBI to wiretap on Trump. There are no source that alleges Obama personally order it and it would be illegal it is?
So for me this is not true. I think what Trump is accusing is that maybe the US government tried to monitor communication before Inauguration Day, But I guess Obama has nothing to do about it may FBI do it for political reasons, because Trump and Russia, a hostile foreign country, had something to do to sway the result of the Presidential Election. But for me Obama is not involved in this wire tapping.






Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: swogerino on March 14, 2017, 11:41:34 PM
It will all be found out eventually. Even if it takes until the end of Trump's presidential term in office.
They will find out whether it was true or not.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: mamichula on March 15, 2017, 02:22:11 AM
This is kind of looking bad for Trump.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: GreenBits on March 15, 2017, 03:55:21 AM
I don't think Obama can order the FBI to wiretap on Trump. There are no source that alleges Obama personally order it and it would be illegal it is?
So for me this is not true. I think what Trump is accusing is that maybe the US government tried to monitor communication before Inauguration Day, But I guess Obama has nothing to do about it may FBI do it for political reasons, because Trump and Russia, a hostile foreign country, had something to do to sway the result of the Presidential Election. But for me Obama is not involved in this wire tapping.






Common sense. You get a cookie.

The Breitbart/Fox News/some blog with storm, eagle, or Patriot in the title crew doesn't get that this isn't a Presidential power. They also apparently don't get that the agency with this power, the FBI, was hostile to the Obama administration (this is Comey we are talking about). No way in a fresh hell that the same guy that basically fucked the election for Hillary, is gonna allow Obama to get dirt on Trump through illegal means. If there was any surveillance, which hell the fuck yes there was, it was with the wishes and blessings of a federal judge, the only body that can grant a warrant with this scope. That means there was smoke, if a warrant was granted against a possible presidential candidate. And we all know the saying about smoke.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 15, 2017, 04:00:42 AM
It will all be found out eventually. Even if it takes until the end of Trump's presidential term in office.
They will find out whether it was true or not.

Probably Edward Snowden or Julian Assange is having that information. Another set of Wikileaks dump, and you'll know how Obama spied on Trump and the other Republican politicians. But Snowden is going to bargain hard with Trump.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: GreenBits on March 17, 2017, 01:38:45 AM
Joint select committee also just came out and said that they have absolutely no evidence of any agency, repeat, any agency, performing surveillance on Trump Towers. So, given the jig is finally up (smokescreens dissipate eventually), we finally get a retraction from the White House. I mean, they have been walking the allegation back for the last two weeks (it's been a tough week for Spicer, but he kept it together for the most part). So, now that both the White House and a bipartisan investigative panel have said there was no wiretapping, what-the-fuck-so-ever, what are your thoughts?


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Spendulus on March 18, 2017, 01:32:20 AM
Joint select committee also just came out and said that they have absolutely no evidence of any agency, repeat, any agency, performing surveillance on Trump Towers. ....what-the-fuck-so-ever, what are your thoughts?


It's more likely the beginning of the story, than the end of the story.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 18, 2017, 04:43:47 AM
Joint select committee also just came out and said that they have absolutely no evidence of any agency, repeat, any agency, performing surveillance on Trump Towers. So, given the jig is finally up (smokescreens dissipate eventually), we finally get a retraction from the White House. I mean, they have been walking the allegation back for the last two weeks (it's been a tough week for Spicer, but he kept it together for the most part). So, now that both the White House and a bipartisan investigative panel have said there was no wiretapping, what-the-fuck-so-ever, what are your thoughts?

Sorry, I have no faith in the so called "Joint select committee". Will they release the list of all the individuals, whose phone calls were wiretapped by the Obama administration? If they do that, then I will agree with you.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Mirconome on March 18, 2017, 04:58:41 AM
Joint select committee also just came out and said that they have absolutely no evidence of any agency, repeat, any agency, performing surveillance on Trump Towers. ....what-the-fuck-so-ever, what are your thoughts?


It's more likely the beginning of the story, than the end of the story.
Trump is such a person that he can talk a lot, but will not always pay attention to this with time. He was already marked by unfounded accusations against his opponents, so do not take everything seriously.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: criptix on March 18, 2017, 08:34:48 PM
Joint select committee also just came out and said that they have absolutely no evidence of any agency, repeat, any agency, performing surveillance on Trump Towers. So, given the jig is finally up (smokescreens dissipate eventually), we finally get a retraction from the White House. I mean, they have been walking the allegation back for the last two weeks (it's been a tough week for Spicer, but he kept it together for the most part). So, now that both the White House and a bipartisan investigative panel have said there was no wiretapping, what-the-fuck-so-ever, what are your thoughts?

Sorry, I have no faith in the so called "Joint select committee". Will they release the list of all the individuals, whose phone calls were wiretapped by the Obama administration? If they do that, then I will agree with you.

So why is trump denying a public inquiry?

Jokes on you trump supporters :)


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: DeanShow on March 18, 2017, 08:39:03 PM
Joint select committee also just came out and said that they have absolutely no evidence of any agency, repeat, any agency, performing surveillance on Trump Towers. So, given the jig is finally up (smokescreens dissipate eventually), we finally get a retraction from the White House. I mean, they have been walking the allegation back for the last two weeks (it's been a tough week for Spicer, but he kept it together for the most part). So, now that both the White House and a bipartisan investigative panel have said there was no wiretapping, what-the-fuck-so-ever, what are your thoughts?

Sorry, I have no faith in the so called "Joint select committee". Will they release the list of all the individuals, whose phone calls were wiretapped by the Obama administration? If they do that, then I will agree with you.
Trump has once again lied to America. He has no concrete evidence of wiretapping. If he was watched, he would have won the election. I am sure that if not him, then all his surroundings blurred ties to Putin.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: DooMAD on March 20, 2017, 10:53:05 PM
I think he did tap trump's phone. It's simply his style, i mean he type lots of people's phone. including the Prime Minister  of  German.

Right now, this is the biggest evidence we have to support Trump's claim. It is well known that Obama had ordered to tap the phone of Angela Merkel. If he could do this to one of his biggest allies, then what prevents him from doing the same to Trump?

Or, far more likely, the NSA have always been intercepting communications from most, if not all, world leaders and any other prominent ministers that catch their eye.  This sort of thing has been going on for decades and they would have been doing it regardless of who was president.  If they're still spying on Merkel now, does that mean your manic messiah Trump personally ordered it?  Of course it doesn't.  It's the NSA, you buffoons, it's what they do.  Obama didn't "order" shit.  Your surveillance agencies are a law unto themselves and do whatever they damn well please.  Surely you can't be naive enough to think they actually wait for an order to start harvesting intel?  It's constant, unrelenting, 24/7.  They gather it before they even know what it is, let alone before they decide if they actually need it or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if one of your agencies monitored every candidate in every US election.  Not just delicate little snowflake Trump, but Obama as well.  All of them.  In what conceivable fantasy scenario would they not do some vetting before handing over the nuclear launch codes?  Maybe you clowns are foolish enough to blindly trust your new satsuma saviour, but I personally hope someone was doing their homework on him to make sure he isn't a complete psychopath.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Spendulus on March 21, 2017, 12:51:43 AM
I think he did tap trump's phone. It's simply his style, i mean he type lots of people's phone. including the Prime Minister  of  German.

Right now, this is the biggest evidence we have to support Trump's claim. It is well known that Obama had ordered to tap the phone of Angela Merkel. If he could do this to one of his biggest allies, then what prevents him from doing the same to Trump?

Or, far more likely, the NSA have always been intercepting communications from most, if not all, world leaders and any other prominent ministers that catch their eye.  This sort of thing has been going on for decades and they would have been doing it regardless of who was president.  If they're still spying on Merkel now, does that mean your manic messiah Trump personally ordered it?  Of course it doesn't.  It's the NSA, you buffoons, it's what they do.  Obama didn't "order" shit.  Your surveillance agencies are a law unto themselves and do whatever they damn well please.  Surely you can't be naive enough to think they actually wait for an order to start harvesting intel?  It's constant, unrelenting, 24/7.  They gather it before they even know what it is, let alone before they decide if they actually need it or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if one of your agencies monitored every candidate in every US election.  Not just delicate little snowflake Trump, but Obama as well.  All of them.  In what conceivable fantasy scenario would they not do some vetting before handing over the nuclear launch codes?  Maybe you clowns are foolish enough to blindly trust your new satsuma saviour, but I personally hope someone was doing their homework on him to make sure he isn't a complete psychopath.

No, the NSA operates in parallel, and unrelated to, CIA/FBI/Whitehouse judicial requests for wiretapping.

Really that may seem ridiculous.  But that's the way it happens here.


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: popcorn1 on March 21, 2017, 01:12:20 AM
I think he did tap trump's phone. It's simply his style, i mean he type lots of people's phone. including the Prime Minister  of  German.

Right now, this is the biggest evidence we have to support Trump's claim. It is well known that Obama had ordered to tap the phone of Angela Merkel. If he could do this to one of his biggest allies, then what prevents him from doing the same to Trump?

Or, far more likely, the NSA have always been intercepting communications from most, if not all, world leaders and any other prominent ministers that catch their eye.  This sort of thing has been going on for decades and they would have been doing it regardless of who was president.  If they're still spying on Merkel now, does that mean your manic messiah Trump personally ordered it?  Of course it doesn't.  It's the NSA, you buffoons, it's what they do.  Obama didn't "order" shit.  Your surveillance agencies are a law unto themselves and do whatever they damn well please.  Surely you can't be naive enough to think they actually wait for an order to start harvesting intel?  It's constant, unrelenting, 24/7.  They gather it before they even know what it is, let alone before they decide if they actually need it or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if one of your agencies monitored every candidate in every US election.  Not just delicate little snowflake Trump, but Obama as well.  All of them.  In what conceivable fantasy scenario would they not do some vetting before handing over the nuclear launch codes?  Maybe you clowns are foolish enough to blindly trust your new satsuma saviour, but I personally hope someone was doing their homework on him to make sure he isn't a complete psychopath.
Trump still better than CLINTON ;)..Even if trump gives the american people a carrot still be more than Clinton would of give..

Hillary Clinton Wall Street Speeches Leak - YouTube
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f4sQcWkTMw

Not saying it's happening but lets talk hypo

Imagine putin was funnelling his money through trump and buying businesses in america ?
well the money the american people will make in jobs and taxes from these companies set up by trump but payed by putin will be billions..America win win ..

BUT with hillary she is sending your own soldiers to war to get killed to line her own pockets..
Also all the fiddles she does for wall street ..all this cost the american public money not make it..

SHE IS TAKING MONEY AWAY..TRUMP IS BRINGING IN MONEY NOT TAKING IT AWAY..

Now you could say that's RUSSIAN MONEY?..

BUT WHAT ABOUT SAUDI ARABIAN MONEY  ..Is that not bad money too?..

And this is why trump is getting spied on because the powers that be   think he is in bed with PUTIN..
BUT you cannot blame people for thinking this because of below..

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President Donald Trump and his top 10 most expensive owned things. His trump empire includes planes ..


WHEN PEOPLE SEE HOW RICH SOMEONE IS   THEY WILL ASK HOW..

ALWAYS HOW DID YOU GET THAT MUCH :-\.

But we all know that's why trump got wired   IF HE DID :-\..

Cough     we are all getting wired   even Mary down the street..

They put a wire in her DILDO :D..FUCKING TRUE..

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5 days ago - A Canadian sex-toy maker has been accused of tracking data on customers' intimate habits. ... Is the CIA interested in your sex habits? Earlier this month, the ... Wired referred specifically to the idea of microwaves as cameras.





Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: Sithara007 on March 21, 2017, 01:18:15 AM
I think he did tap trump's phone. It's simply his style, i mean he type lots of people's phone. including the Prime Minister  of  German.

Right now, this is the biggest evidence we have to support Trump's claim. It is well known that Obama had ordered to tap the phone of Angela Merkel. If he could do this to one of his biggest allies, then what prevents him from doing the same to Trump?

Or, far more likely, the NSA have always been intercepting communications from most, if not all, world leaders and any other prominent ministers that catch their eye.  This sort of thing has been going on for decades and they would have been doing it regardless of who was president.  If they're still spying on Merkel now, does that mean your manic messiah Trump personally ordered it?  Of course it doesn't.  It's the NSA, you buffoons, it's what they do.  Obama didn't "order" shit.  Your surveillance agencies are a law unto themselves and do whatever they damn well please.  Surely you can't be naive enough to think they actually wait for an order to start harvesting intel?  It's constant, unrelenting, 24/7.  They gather it before they even know what it is, let alone before they decide if they actually need it or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if one of your agencies monitored every candidate in every US election.  Not just delicate little snowflake Trump, but Obama as well.  All of them.  In what conceivable fantasy scenario would they not do some vetting before handing over the nuclear launch codes?  Maybe you clowns are foolish enough to blindly trust your new satsuma saviour, but I personally hope someone was doing their homework on him to make sure he isn't a complete psychopath.

So you are agreeing that the NSA wiretapped Trump, and tens of thousands of other leaders. But then, who is behind the NSA? Can they do any such measure without Obama's approval?


Title: Re: Did Obama tap Trump's phone?
Post by: DooMAD on March 21, 2017, 06:31:22 AM
I think he did tap trump's phone. It's simply his style, i mean he type lots of people's phone. including the Prime Minister  of  German.

Right now, this is the biggest evidence we have to support Trump's claim. It is well known that Obama had ordered to tap the phone of Angela Merkel. If he could do this to one of his biggest allies, then what prevents him from doing the same to Trump?

Or, far more likely, the NSA have always been intercepting communications from most, if not all, world leaders and any other prominent ministers that catch their eye.  This sort of thing has been going on for decades and they would have been doing it regardless of who was president.  If they're still spying on Merkel now, does that mean your manic messiah Trump personally ordered it?  Of course it doesn't.  It's the NSA, you buffoons, it's what they do.  Obama didn't "order" shit.  Your surveillance agencies are a law unto themselves and do whatever they damn well please.  Surely you can't be naive enough to think they actually wait for an order to start harvesting intel?  It's constant, unrelenting, 24/7.  They gather it before they even know what it is, let alone before they decide if they actually need it or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if one of your agencies monitored every candidate in every US election.  Not just delicate little snowflake Trump, but Obama as well.  All of them.  In what conceivable fantasy scenario would they not do some vetting before handing over the nuclear launch codes?  Maybe you clowns are foolish enough to blindly trust your new satsuma saviour, but I personally hope someone was doing their homework on him to make sure he isn't a complete psychopath.

No, the NSA operates in parallel, and unrelated to, CIA/FBI/Whitehouse judicial requests for wiretapping.

Really that may seem ridiculous.  But that's the way it happens here.

It was the NSA spying on Merkel, but it could well be one of the others doing the domestic surveillance.  The latest stuff from Comey not only seems to rule out the FBI, but also raises further questions about Russian ties with someone in Trump's camp.


So you are agreeing that the NSA wiretapped Trump, and tens of thousands of other leaders. But then, who is behind the NSA? Can they do any such measure without Obama's approval?

I'm saying it wouldn't surprise me if one of the agencies did.  And with clearly Trump being a potential threat to security (I mean, come on, surely you see it, right?), it would make sense if someone was looking into him.  And yes, they can do anything without waiting for one individual's approval.  Bare in mind that there isn't enough time in the day for one person to give the okay on everything the NSA does, particularly if that person also has a country to run in the meantime.  The sheer scale of harvesting is most likely beyond the comprehension of a single person.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: DooMAD on March 22, 2017, 06:53:00 PM
Trump's allegations confirmed!  Evidence emerges that the FBI wiretapped Trump Tower for two years! (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fbi-wiretapped-russian-gambling-ring-headquarted-trump-tower-article-1.3004226)



Oh wait, but not only was it BEFORE Trump decided to run for president, but also this is about Russians and their increasingly numerous ties to Trump.  One could almost envision people seeing a pattern here.  One too many such coincidences could even be deemed suspicious.




Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: MattScott on March 22, 2017, 07:58:37 PM
It will all be found out eventually. Even if it takes until the end of Trump's presidential term in office.
They will find out whether it was true or not.

Probably Edward Snowden or Julian Assange is having that information. Another set of Wikileaks dump, and you'll know how Obama spied on Trump and the other Republican politicians. But Snowden is going to bargain hard with Trump.
Snowden Trump has nothing to offer for trade. All he knew was he sold to the Russians. Now his life is not worth a single penny. Trump understands this and will never make a deal with Snowden.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Adelajda on March 22, 2017, 08:45:48 PM
The country is already fucked up and when a country takes a position to destroy many countries and make a war zone around the world you are doomed to get that back at a later time and now it is time that you get back what you owe in the form of Trump and it is not a surprise that they are prying on privacy as they do not have any regard for privacy.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: GreenBits on March 22, 2017, 08:48:58 PM
Trump's allegations confirmed!  Evidence emerges that the FBI wiretapped Trump Tower for two years! (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fbi-wiretapped-russian-gambling-ring-headquarted-trump-tower-article-1.3004226)



Oh wait, but not only was it BEFORE Trump decided to run for president, but also this is about Russians and their increasingly numerous ties to Trump.  One could almost envision people seeing a pattern here.  One too many such coincidences could even be deemed suspicious.




I went to comment on this, was about to yell at you, and got my pleasant surprise. You sir, win for today, and get a cookie.


It will take the pee pee tapes, before they will accept reality.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 23, 2017, 02:20:36 AM
It will all be found out eventually. Even if it takes until the end of Trump's presidential term in office.
They will find out whether it was true or not.

Probably Edward Snowden or Julian Assange is having that information. Another set of Wikileaks dump, and you'll know how Obama spied on Trump and the other Republican politicians. But Snowden is going to bargain hard with Trump.
Snowden Trump has nothing to offer for trade. All he knew was he sold to the Russians. Now his life is not worth a single penny. Trump understands this and will never make a deal with Snowden.

Snowden is still in possession of a lot of classified information. He has given some leftover information to the Russians, but he hasn't passed the most important set of information to anyone.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone.
Post by: Spendulus on March 23, 2017, 11:54:56 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/22/nunes-unmasking-report-vindicates-trump-claims-surveillance/

House Intelligence Committee chair Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) announced on Wednesday that he had learned that members of President Donald Trump’s transition team had been under surveillance by the Obama administration, that individual names had been “unmasked” by the intelligence community, and that those names had been leaked to the media.

Nunes’s information — which he said he would deliver to the White House later — vindicates the bulk of Trump’s claims earlier this month.

Nunes said that while there was no direct “wiretap” by President Barack Obama of Trump Tower, there was indeed surveillance — perhaps collected incidentally — of people close to Trump, possibly including Trump himself.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone.
Post by: DooMAD on March 23, 2017, 10:27:26 PM
Nunes said that while there was no direct “wiretap” by President Barack Obama of Trump Tower, there was indeed surveillance — perhaps collected incidentally — of people close to Trump

I can see why they'd be surveilling Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort.  Yet more suspicious ties to Russian interests (https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a/Manafort's-plan-to-'greatly-benefit-the-Putin-Government):

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Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and former Soviet republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin's government

So yeah, you don't really get to bitch about the feds monitoring your close allies when they're up to their neck in shit:

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The disclosures come as Trump campaign advisers are the subject of an FBI probe and two congressional investigations, and they appear to guarantee that Manafort will be sought as a key witness in upcoming hearings. Investigators are reviewing whether the Trump campaign and its associates coordinated with Moscow to meddle in the 2016 campaign. Manafort has dismissed the investigations as politically motivated and misguided. The documents obtained by AP show Manafort's ties to Russia were closer than previously revealed.

"Boo hoo, law enforcement agencies are investigating my crooked buddies, better blame it all on Obama"   ::)


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 24, 2017, 08:59:38 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/22/nunes-unmasking-report-vindicates-trump-claims-surveillance/

House Intelligence Committee chair Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) announced on Wednesday that he had learned that members of President Donald Trump’s transition team had been under surveillance by the Obama administration, that individual names had been “unmasked” by the intelligence community, and that those names had been leaked to the media.

Nunes’s information — which he said he would deliver to the White House later — vindicates the bulk of Trump’s claims earlier this month.

Nunes said that while there was no direct “wiretap” by President Barack Obama of Trump Tower, there was indeed surveillance — perhaps collected incidentally — of people close to Trump, possibly including Trump himself.

Will the WaPo and the other ultra-liberal toilet dailies cover this news now? They were very quick to rubbish the allegations. With the proof being published now, will they retract their earlier claims? 


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone.
Post by: Spendulus on March 24, 2017, 11:49:01 AM
Nunes said that while there was no direct “wiretap” by President Barack Obama of Trump Tower, there was indeed surveillance — perhaps collected incidentally — of people close to Trump

I can see why they'd be surveilling Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort.  Yet more suspicious ties to Russian interests (https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a/Manafort's-plan-to-'greatly-benefit-the-Putin-Government):

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Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and former Soviet republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin's government

So yeah, you don't really get to bitch about the feds monitoring your close allies when they're up to their neck in shit:

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The disclosures come as Trump campaign advisers are the subject of an FBI probe and two congressional investigations, and they appear to guarantee that Manafort will be sought as a key witness in upcoming hearings. Investigators are reviewing whether the Trump campaign and its associates coordinated with Moscow to meddle in the 2016 campaign. Manafort has dismissed the investigations as politically motivated and misguided. The documents obtained by AP show Manafort's ties to Russia were closer than previously revealed.

"Boo hoo, law enforcement agencies are investigating my crooked buddies, better blame it all on Obama"   ::)

I'd like to agree with your take on the situation.  Makes no difference to me. Unfortunately, that is not the way this is shaping up.  Apparently the FBI has been unresponsive to the requests for information, so now NSA sources have been tapped.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html

 “The intelligence is said to leave no doubt the Obama administration, in its closing days, was using the cover of legitimate surveillance on foreign targets to spy on President-elect Trump, according to sources. The key to that conclusion is the unmasking of selected U.S. persons whose names appeared in the intelligence, the sources said, adding that the paper trail leaves no other plausible purpose for the unmasking other than to damage the incoming Trump administration.”


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: 21kevin21 on March 24, 2017, 07:29:13 PM
Practically as a person, Obama is nothing from himself. He is nobody. Why did he need this wiretapping and other actions against the candidate? What is the goal if he completely leaves the political arena. These are all fairy tales. And special services should work qualitatively.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Spendulus on March 25, 2017, 03:50:49 AM
Practically as a person, Obama is nothing from himself. He is nobody. Why did he need this wiretapping and other actions against the candidate? What is the goal if he completely leaves the political arena. ...

He hasn't and won't.  With the collapse of Bill Hillary, there is a power vacuum.

Who better to fill it?


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 25, 2017, 04:27:16 AM
Practically as a person, Obama is nothing from himself. He is nobody. Why did he need this wiretapping and other actions against the candidate? What is the goal if he completely leaves the political arena. These are all fairy tales. And special services should work qualitatively.

Obama was a nobody even when he was the president of the United States. He was merely a puppet, controlled by the powerful establishment politicians within the Democrat party and the billionaires.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: sourris01 on March 25, 2017, 04:38:32 AM
I think that Obama's presidency was a purely political move by all American politicians. And this is primarily due to the fact that Obama is black. This made it possible to unite citizens and simultaneously do on foreign policy what other politicians wanted. Obama did not mean anything.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone.
Post by: GreenBits on March 25, 2017, 12:55:28 PM
Nunes said that while there was no direct “wiretap” by President Barack Obama of Trump Tower, there was indeed surveillance — perhaps collected incidentally — of people close to Trump

I can see why they'd be surveilling Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort.  Yet more suspicious ties to Russian interests (https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a/Manafort's-plan-to-'greatly-benefit-the-Putin-Government):

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Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and former Soviet republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin's government

So yeah, you don't really get to bitch about the feds monitoring your close allies when they're up to their neck in shit:

Quote
The disclosures come as Trump campaign advisers are the subject of an FBI probe and two congressional investigations, and they appear to guarantee that Manafort will be sought as a key witness in upcoming hearings. Investigators are reviewing whether the Trump campaign and its associates coordinated with Moscow to meddle in the 2016 campaign. Manafort has dismissed the investigations as politically motivated and misguided. The documents obtained by AP show Manafort's ties to Russia were closer than previously revealed.

"Boo hoo, law enforcement agencies are investigating my crooked buddies, better blame it all on Obama"   ::)

I'd like to agree with your take on the situation.  Makes no difference to me. Unfortunately, that is not the way this is shaping up.  Apparently the FBI has been unresponsive to the requests for information, so now NSA sources have been tapped.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html

 “The intelligence is said to leave no doubt the Obama administration, in its closing days, was using the cover of legitimate surveillance on foreign targets to spy on President-elect Trump, according to sources. The key to that conclusion is the unmasking of selected U.S. persons whose names appeared in the intelligence, the sources said, adding that the paper trail leaves no other plausible purpose for the unmasking other than to damage the incoming Trump administration.”

Or, you know, it could be that our new president and his associates were actively coluding with Russia, inadvertently exposing themselves to surveillance by associating with known spies?

Because maybe, just maybe, it it smells Russian and talks Russian it might not be American?

I don't get it. Obama has a funny name and he's black, so he's obviously a terrorist and a Muslim.

The Fool is tied to corruption, tied to the enemy, with a history of failures and shade.
But gets pass from Middle America...

....
...

Manafort
Stone
Flynn
His grandmother for all we know..
Sessions
And the beat goes on and on


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Daniel91 on March 25, 2017, 01:15:20 PM
It's just another claim without any evidence.
Trump said so many things until now, so called ''alternative facts'' without real evidence, that is meaningless to comment anymore his funny statements.
It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!
It's time that he start to lead this country and to do real job, not to entertain the whole country and the world with his stupid and unfounded statements.
If Trump does not change soon, it could lead to serious problems in the leading of country.
The first cracks we already can see as plan to change Obamacare didn't pass and Trump losing the support of his party.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: GreenBits on March 25, 2017, 01:28:30 PM
It's just another claim without any evidence.
Trump said so many things until now, so called ''alternative facts'' without real evidence, that is meaningless to comment anymore his funny statements.
It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!
It's time that he start to lead this country and to do real job, not to entertain the whole country and the world with his stupid and unfounded statements.
If Trump does not change soon, it could lead to serious problems in the leading of country.
The first cracks we already can see as plan to change Obamacare didn't pass and Trump losing the support of his party.

You would think this would be obvious, but understand what Trump means to the people that voted for him. He took people that felt marginalized, felt threatened (Muslim babies taking over! Took our jobs! Blacks killing everyone! Homosexuals in the Disney!), amplified those concerns, and fed them back. These people believe that their lot will improve if others suffer as they have.  Trump doesnt offer amelioration for his followets, he merely offers enterrainment, to enhance the suffering of the out groups for the vindication of the masses. Now, the elite voted for  The Fool with good reason, he's gonna enhance their fortunes.

So blind with hate and isms, they can't see that policies that would help the rich (why do you think Wall Street is celebrating with these highs? excitement for the working class LOL) rarely do the same for the poor. Mutually exclusive.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Spendulus on March 25, 2017, 02:56:14 PM
It's just another claim without any evidence.
Trump said so many things until now, so called ''alternative facts'' without real evidence, that is meaningless to comment anymore his funny statements.
It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!
It's time that he start to lead this country and to do real job, not to entertain the whole country and the world with his stupid and unfounded statements.
If Trump does not change soon, it could lead to serious problems in the leading of country.
The first cracks we already can see as plan to change Obamacare didn't pass and Trump losing the support of his party.

You would think this would be obvious, but understand what Trump means to the people that voted for him. ....

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14756/12-pieces-proof-msm-knew-obama-spied-trump-and-john-nolte#


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 25, 2017, 06:16:07 PM
It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!

Actually, Donald Trump IS a victim of negative media propaganda directed against him. And his victory in the 2016 United States presidential election is a valid proof to this claim, and it further shows that the majority of the American citizens side with him in his battle against the corrupt media. It is not Trump who is trying to manipulate people. It is the media which is doing that.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: criptix on March 25, 2017, 10:04:03 PM
It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!

Actually, Donald Trump IS a victim of negative media propaganda directed against him. And his victory in the 2016 United States presidential election is a valid proof to this claim, and it further shows that the majority of the American citizens side with him in his battle against the corrupt media. It is not Trump who is trying to manipulate people. It is the media which is doing that.

3 million more votes for hitlery. Go learn some basic maths.

x+3 > x

Trump won the eloctorate - he didnt got the majority vote.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 26, 2017, 02:37:52 PM
It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!

Actually, Donald Trump IS a victim of negative media propaganda directed against him. And his victory in the 2016 United States presidential election is a valid proof to this claim, and it further shows that the majority of the American citizens side with him in his battle against the corrupt media. It is not Trump who is trying to manipulate people. It is the media which is doing that.

3 million more votes for hitlery. Go learn some basic maths.

x+3 > x

Trump won the eloctorate - he didnt got the majority vote.

If the election was held based on the popular vote, instead of the electoral vote, then there is a strong chance that Trump would have got more votes than Hillary. What happens in the deep blue states (such as California, Illinois, and NY) is that many of the Republican voters refrain from voting, as they know that there is no chance for a GOP victory there.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: criptix on March 26, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!

Actually, Donald Trump IS a victim of negative media propaganda directed against him. And his victory in the 2016 United States presidential election is a valid proof to this claim, and it further shows that the majority of the American citizens side with him in his battle against the corrupt media. It is not Trump who is trying to manipulate people. It is the media which is doing that.

3 million more votes for hitlery. Go learn some basic maths.

x+3 > x

Trump won the eloctorate - he didnt got the majority vote.

If the election was held based on the popular vote, instead of the electoral vote, then there is a strong chance that Trump would have got more votes than Hillary. What happens in the deep blue states (such as California, Illinois, and NY) is that many of the Republican voters refrain from voting, as they know that there is no chance for a GOP victory there.

Yes of course he would done that. Like he would repell obamacare and replace it with a better and cheaper trumpcare for everyone? ;)


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: GreenBits on March 27, 2017, 01:19:46 PM
It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!

Actually, Donald Trump IS a victim of negative media propaganda directed against him. And his victory in the 2016 United States presidential election is a valid proof to this claim, and it further shows that the majority of the American citizens side with him in his battle against the corrupt media. It is not Trump who is trying to manipulate people. It is the media which is doing that.

I agree. The media is deeply up Trumps ass. I mean, on the one hand, you don't want to normalize this crazy shit, but on the other hand, this same media blitz is what propelled him into office (among other things). But yes, as we have never seen anything even remotely like this (this is seriously making Nixon look chill AF.),  the media is seemingly on a warpath with old Number 45.

Now, the better question is, why? Why is this the first time this level of media assault, both bipartisan and international in scope, is being waged? In the history of the office?

Maybe it's.. Trump?

And the literal majority of people voted for her. He won the EC, which has been gleefully pointed out many times by the Trump camp. Followed by, 'deal with it, snowflake'. So no, the majority of citizens would have preferred he sat his orange ass down and never been elected.



Yes of course he would done that. Like he would repell obamacare and replace it with a better and cheaper trumpcare for everyone? ;)

Just wait for the tax reform. It's all gonna go quite bigly, he told us so on Twitter.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: BitGikI on March 27, 2017, 10:46:11 PM
trump is talking nonsense, all his views and public announcment are nothing more then an attempt to create rage and disputes to further his causes in my opnion


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 28, 2017, 02:10:35 AM
trump is talking nonsense, all his views and public announcment are nothing more then an attempt to create rage and disputes to further his causes in my opnion

He may be a bit over-reacting while interacting with the media. But so far, he has acted quickly on his promises. He has lowered the federal debt, deported illegal immigrants, and brought jobs back to the United States.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Spendulus on March 28, 2017, 11:50:35 AM
....
And the literal majority of people voted for her. He won the EC, which has been gleefully pointed out many times by the Trump camp. Followed by, 'deal with it, snowflake'. So no, the majority of citizens would have preferred he sat his orange ass down and never been elected.

....

Deal with it, snowflake.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: DeanShow on March 28, 2017, 11:59:34 AM
trump is talking nonsense, all his views and public announcment are nothing more then an attempt to create rage and disputes to further his causes in my opnion

He may be a bit over-reacting while interacting with the media. But so far, he has acted quickly on his promises. He has lowered the federal debt, deported illegal immigrants, and brought jobs back to the United States.
Lowering Trump the Federal debt is fake. Now he asks to increase financing of the army. Congress voted in favour of Montenegro in NATO. The abolition of compulsory health insurance also failed. All the evidence suggests that America's debt will continue to grow.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Xester on March 28, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
trump is talking nonsense, all his views and public announcment are nothing more then an attempt to create rage and disputes to further his causes in my opnion

He may be a bit over-reacting while interacting with the media. But so far, he has acted quickly on his promises. He has lowered the federal debt, deported illegal immigrants, and brought jobs back to the United States.
Lowering Trump the Federal debt is fake. Now he asks to increase financing of the army. Congress voted in favour of Montenegro in NATO. The abolition of compulsory health insurance also failed. All the evidence suggests that America's debt will continue to grow.

In his one month in the seat of presidency in the United States America the debt has decreased by 12 billion dollars. If compared to Obama, the former president made a 200 billion in his first month of service. Now tell me if Trump is a failure or he is a good economist. He abolished abortion rights and showed to the world that he values the right to life of American people including those who are not yet born.


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: GreenBits on March 28, 2017, 12:49:22 PM
....
And the literal majority of people voted for her. He won the EC, which has been gleefully pointed out many times by the Trump camp. Followed by, 'deal with it, snowflake'. So no, the majority of citizens would have preferred he sat his orange ass down and never been elected.

....

Deal with it, snowflake.

I'm melting!!

Naw, I give few fucks. Russiagate will get him out of office, I don't even have to butch about it ;)


Title: Re: Yeah, Obama tapped his phone. Nobody thought he'd win. Now the country is fukt.
Post by: Kasper123 on March 28, 2017, 03:27:23 PM
trump is talking nonsense, all his views and public announcment are nothing more then an attempt to create rage and disputes to further his causes in my opnion

He may be a bit over-reacting while interacting with the media. But so far, he has acted quickly on his promises. He has lowered the federal debt, deported illegal immigrants, and brought jobs back to the United States.
Lowering Trump the Federal debt is fake. Now he asks to increase financing of the army. Congress voted in favour of Montenegro in NATO. The abolition of compulsory health insurance also failed. All the evidence suggests that America's debt will continue to grow.

In his one month in the seat of presidency in the United States America the debt has decreased by 12 billion dollars. If compared to Obama, the former president made a 200 billion in his first month of service. Now tell me if Trump is a failure or he is a good economist. He abolished abortion rights and showed to the world that he values the right to life of American people including those who are not yet born.
Firstly it has not reduced any of the debt is 12 billion. It is a fake. Second, he is not banned abortion. This is also a fake. All that does Trump it did not work. In addition to public relations and provocation of scandals Trump can not do anything.