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March 24, 2017, 11:49:01 AM
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Nunes said that while there was no direct “wiretap” by President Barack Obama of Trump Tower, there was indeed surveillance — perhaps collected incidentally — of people close to Trump

I can see why they'd be surveilling Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort.  Yet more suspicious ties to Russian interests:

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Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and former Soviet republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin's government

So yeah, you don't really get to bitch about the feds monitoring your close allies when they're up to their neck in shit:

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The disclosures come as Trump campaign advisers are the subject of an FBI probe and two congressional investigations, and they appear to guarantee that Manafort will be sought as a key witness in upcoming hearings. Investigators are reviewing whether the Trump campaign and its associates coordinated with Moscow to meddle in the 2016 campaign. Manafort has dismissed the investigations as politically motivated and misguided. The documents obtained by AP show Manafort's ties to Russia were closer than previously revealed.

"Boo hoo, law enforcement agencies are investigating my crooked buddies, better blame it all on Obama"   Roll Eyes

I'd like to agree with your take on the situation.  Makes no difference to me. Unfortunately, that is not the way this is shaping up.  Apparently the FBI has been unresponsive to the requests for information, so now NSA sources have been tapped.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html

 “The intelligence is said to leave no doubt the Obama administration, in its closing days, was using the cover of legitimate surveillance on foreign targets to spy on President-elect Trump, according to sources. The key to that conclusion is the unmasking of selected U.S. persons whose names appeared in the intelligence, the sources said, adding that the paper trail leaves no other plausible purpose for the unmasking other than to damage the incoming Trump administration.”
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March 24, 2017, 07:29:13 PM
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Practically as a person, Obama is nothing from himself. He is nobody. Why did he need this wiretapping and other actions against the candidate? What is the goal if he completely leaves the political arena. These are all fairy tales. And special services should work qualitatively.
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March 25, 2017, 03:50:49 AM
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Practically as a person, Obama is nothing from himself. He is nobody. Why did he need this wiretapping and other actions against the candidate? What is the goal if he completely leaves the political arena. ...

He hasn't and won't.  With the collapse of Bill Hillary, there is a power vacuum.

Who better to fill it?
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March 25, 2017, 04:27:16 AM
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Practically as a person, Obama is nothing from himself. He is nobody. Why did he need this wiretapping and other actions against the candidate? What is the goal if he completely leaves the political arena. These are all fairy tales. And special services should work qualitatively.

Obama was a nobody even when he was the president of the United States. He was merely a puppet, controlled by the powerful establishment politicians within the Democrat party and the billionaires.

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March 25, 2017, 04:38:32 AM
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I think that Obama's presidency was a purely political move by all American politicians. And this is primarily due to the fact that Obama is black. This made it possible to unite citizens and simultaneously do on foreign policy what other politicians wanted. Obama did not mean anything.
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March 25, 2017, 12:55:28 PM
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Nunes said that while there was no direct “wiretap” by President Barack Obama of Trump Tower, there was indeed surveillance — perhaps collected incidentally — of people close to Trump

I can see why they'd be surveilling Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort.  Yet more suspicious ties to Russian interests:

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Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and former Soviet republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin's government

So yeah, you don't really get to bitch about the feds monitoring your close allies when they're up to their neck in shit:

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The disclosures come as Trump campaign advisers are the subject of an FBI probe and two congressional investigations, and they appear to guarantee that Manafort will be sought as a key witness in upcoming hearings. Investigators are reviewing whether the Trump campaign and its associates coordinated with Moscow to meddle in the 2016 campaign. Manafort has dismissed the investigations as politically motivated and misguided. The documents obtained by AP show Manafort's ties to Russia were closer than previously revealed.

"Boo hoo, law enforcement agencies are investigating my crooked buddies, better blame it all on Obama"   Roll Eyes

I'd like to agree with your take on the situation.  Makes no difference to me. Unfortunately, that is not the way this is shaping up.  Apparently the FBI has been unresponsive to the requests for information, so now NSA sources have been tapped.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html

 “The intelligence is said to leave no doubt the Obama administration, in its closing days, was using the cover of legitimate surveillance on foreign targets to spy on President-elect Trump, according to sources. The key to that conclusion is the unmasking of selected U.S. persons whose names appeared in the intelligence, the sources said, adding that the paper trail leaves no other plausible purpose for the unmasking other than to damage the incoming Trump administration.”

Or, you know, it could be that our new president and his associates were actively coluding with Russia, inadvertently exposing themselves to surveillance by associating with known spies?

Because maybe, just maybe, it it smells Russian and talks Russian it might not be American?

I don't get it. Obama has a funny name and he's black, so he's obviously a terrorist and a Muslim.

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March 25, 2017, 01:15:20 PM
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It's just another claim without any evidence.
Trump said so many things until now, so called ''alternative facts'' without real evidence, that is meaningless to comment anymore his funny statements.
It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!
It's time that he start to lead this country and to do real job, not to entertain the whole country and the world with his stupid and unfounded statements.
If Trump does not change soon, it could lead to serious problems in the leading of country.
The first cracks we already can see as plan to change Obamacare didn't pass and Trump losing the support of his party.

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March 25, 2017, 01:28:30 PM
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It's just another claim without any evidence.
Trump said so many things until now, so called ''alternative facts'' without real evidence, that is meaningless to comment anymore his funny statements.
It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!
It's time that he start to lead this country and to do real job, not to entertain the whole country and the world with his stupid and unfounded statements.
If Trump does not change soon, it could lead to serious problems in the leading of country.
The first cracks we already can see as plan to change Obamacare didn't pass and Trump losing the support of his party.

You would think this would be obvious, but understand what Trump means to the people that voted for him. He took people that felt marginalized, felt threatened (Muslim babies taking over! Took our jobs! Blacks killing everyone! Homosexuals in the Disney!), amplified those concerns, and fed them back. These people believe that their lot will improve if others suffer as they have.  Trump doesnt offer amelioration for his followets, he merely offers enterrainment, to enhance the suffering of the out groups for the vindication of the masses. Now, the elite voted for  The Fool with good reason, he's gonna enhance their fortunes.

So blind with hate and isms, they can't see that policies that would help the rich (why do you think Wall Street is celebrating with these highs? excitement for the working class LOL) rarely do the same for the poor. Mutually exclusive.
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March 25, 2017, 02:56:14 PM
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It's just another claim without any evidence.
Trump said so many things until now, so called ''alternative facts'' without real evidence, that is meaningless to comment anymore his funny statements.
It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!
It's time that he start to lead this country and to do real job, not to entertain the whole country and the world with his stupid and unfounded statements.
If Trump does not change soon, it could lead to serious problems in the leading of country.
The first cracks we already can see as plan to change Obamacare didn't pass and Trump losing the support of his party.

You would think this would be obvious, but understand what Trump means to the people that voted for him. ....

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14756/12-pieces-proof-msm-knew-obama-spied-trump-and-john-nolte#
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March 25, 2017, 06:16:07 PM
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It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!

Actually, Donald Trump IS a victim of negative media propaganda directed against him. And his victory in the 2016 United States presidential election is a valid proof to this claim, and it further shows that the majority of the American citizens side with him in his battle against the corrupt media. It is not Trump who is trying to manipulate people. It is the media which is doing that.
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March 25, 2017, 10:04:03 PM
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It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!

Actually, Donald Trump IS a victim of negative media propaganda directed against him. And his victory in the 2016 United States presidential election is a valid proof to this claim, and it further shows that the majority of the American citizens side with him in his battle against the corrupt media. It is not Trump who is trying to manipulate people. It is the media which is doing that.

3 million more votes for hitlery. Go learn some basic maths.

x+3 > x

Trump won the eloctorate - he didnt got the majority vote.

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March 26, 2017, 02:37:52 PM
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It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!

Actually, Donald Trump IS a victim of negative media propaganda directed against him. And his victory in the 2016 United States presidential election is a valid proof to this claim, and it further shows that the majority of the American citizens side with him in his battle against the corrupt media. It is not Trump who is trying to manipulate people. It is the media which is doing that.

3 million more votes for hitlery. Go learn some basic maths.

x+3 > x

Trump won the eloctorate - he didnt got the majority vote.

If the election was held based on the popular vote, instead of the electoral vote, then there is a strong chance that Trump would have got more votes than Hillary. What happens in the deep blue states (such as California, Illinois, and NY) is that many of the Republican voters refrain from voting, as they know that there is no chance for a GOP victory there.

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It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!

Actually, Donald Trump IS a victim of negative media propaganda directed against him. And his victory in the 2016 United States presidential election is a valid proof to this claim, and it further shows that the majority of the American citizens side with him in his battle against the corrupt media. It is not Trump who is trying to manipulate people. It is the media which is doing that.

3 million more votes for hitlery. Go learn some basic maths.

x+3 > x

Trump won the eloctorate - he didnt got the majority vote.

If the election was held based on the popular vote, instead of the electoral vote, then there is a strong chance that Trump would have got more votes than Hillary. What happens in the deep blue states (such as California, Illinois, and NY) is that many of the Republican voters refrain from voting, as they know that there is no chance for a GOP victory there.

Yes of course he would done that. Like he would repell obamacare and replace it with a better and cheaper trumpcare for everyone? Wink

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March 27, 2017, 01:19:46 PM
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It's obviously his strategy to manipulate people and to show himself like ''victim'' of negative media and bad people.
What a joke!

Actually, Donald Trump IS a victim of negative media propaganda directed against him. And his victory in the 2016 United States presidential election is a valid proof to this claim, and it further shows that the majority of the American citizens side with him in his battle against the corrupt media. It is not Trump who is trying to manipulate people. It is the media which is doing that.

I agree. The media is deeply up Trumps ass. I mean, on the one hand, you don't want to normalize this crazy shit, but on the other hand, this same media blitz is what propelled him into office (among other things). But yes, as we have never seen anything even remotely like this (this is seriously making Nixon look chill AF.),  the media is seemingly on a warpath with old Number 45.

Now, the better question is, why? Why is this the first time this level of media assault, both bipartisan and international in scope, is being waged? In the history of the office?

Maybe it's.. Trump?

And the literal majority of people voted for her. He won the EC, which has been gleefully pointed out many times by the Trump camp. Followed by, 'deal with it, snowflake'. So no, the majority of citizens would have preferred he sat his orange ass down and never been elected.



Yes of course he would done that. Like he would repell obamacare and replace it with a better and cheaper trumpcare for everyone? Wink

Just wait for the tax reform. It's all gonna go quite bigly, he told us so on Twitter.
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trump is talking nonsense, all his views and public announcment are nothing more then an attempt to create rage and disputes to further his causes in my opnion
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trump is talking nonsense, all his views and public announcment are nothing more then an attempt to create rage and disputes to further his causes in my opnion

He may be a bit over-reacting while interacting with the media. But so far, he has acted quickly on his promises. He has lowered the federal debt, deported illegal immigrants, and brought jobs back to the United States.

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And the literal majority of people voted for her. He won the EC, which has been gleefully pointed out many times by the Trump camp. Followed by, 'deal with it, snowflake'. So no, the majority of citizens would have preferred he sat his orange ass down and never been elected.

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Deal with it, snowflake.
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trump is talking nonsense, all his views and public announcment are nothing more then an attempt to create rage and disputes to further his causes in my opnion

He may be a bit over-reacting while interacting with the media. But so far, he has acted quickly on his promises. He has lowered the federal debt, deported illegal immigrants, and brought jobs back to the United States.
Lowering Trump the Federal debt is fake. Now he asks to increase financing of the army. Congress voted in favour of Montenegro in NATO. The abolition of compulsory health insurance also failed. All the evidence suggests that America's debt will continue to grow.
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trump is talking nonsense, all his views and public announcment are nothing more then an attempt to create rage and disputes to further his causes in my opnion

He may be a bit over-reacting while interacting with the media. But so far, he has acted quickly on his promises. He has lowered the federal debt, deported illegal immigrants, and brought jobs back to the United States.
Lowering Trump the Federal debt is fake. Now he asks to increase financing of the army. Congress voted in favour of Montenegro in NATO. The abolition of compulsory health insurance also failed. All the evidence suggests that America's debt will continue to grow.

In his one month in the seat of presidency in the United States America the debt has decreased by 12 billion dollars. If compared to Obama, the former president made a 200 billion in his first month of service. Now tell me if Trump is a failure or he is a good economist. He abolished abortion rights and showed to the world that he values the right to life of American people including those who are not yet born.
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And the literal majority of people voted for her. He won the EC, which has been gleefully pointed out many times by the Trump camp. Followed by, 'deal with it, snowflake'. So no, the majority of citizens would have preferred he sat his orange ass down and never been elected.

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Deal with it, snowflake.

I'm melting!!

Naw, I give few fucks. Russiagate will get him out of office, I don't even have to butch about it Wink
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