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Title: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: jerye on April 20, 2013, 11:54:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6mmTRheUzg

Credits: http://codinginmysleep.com/bfl-jalapeno-unboxing-and-demo


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Zooey on April 21, 2013, 12:06:08 AM
WTF   :o


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Minor Miner on April 21, 2013, 12:07:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6mmTRheUzg

 Credits:http://codinginmysleep.com/bfl-jalapeno-unboxing-and-demo
wow is this real or is there some bet that coinjedi needs to make a decision.    this is the guy that wrote the nice article on sonny being a crook and sonny's dad being a crook but that it did not matter that much....
http://codinginmysleep.com/interview-with-sonny-vleisides/

So, Kano, is this why you did not get one of the first ones?   You do not give them good enough PR?


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: grue on April 21, 2013, 12:23:21 AM
Does anyone find this suspicious that the video is uploaded on saturday? If I were to do a "unboxing", I would be doing it on the day I got it. Also, I find it very strange that BFL is sending this without an announcement. It leads me to believe that BFL specifically selected him to the "unboxing".

edit: fedex does indeed ship on Saturday.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: erk on April 21, 2013, 12:48:00 AM
5.5GHs for 30watts is not to shabby.



Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: jspielberg on April 21, 2013, 12:48:31 AM
Looks like the Day of ASIC BFL has finally dawned.

I guess the next question is... will they be able to get their higher density models working... or will it all be denominated in units of these 5GH jala-singles ( which frankly I think people would be fine with... but are they able to produce sufficient number to meet their obligations with only that model).  I imagine in a way it would be easier if they wanted to go this route.  They only need 1 assembly line rather than 3...


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: rograz on April 21, 2013, 12:51:02 AM
but it's impossible, BFL was supposed to be a scam!


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Signus on April 21, 2013, 12:54:11 AM
but it's impossible, BFL was supposed to be a scam!

They weren't supposed to be a scam. Everybody assumed they were a scam.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: kano on April 21, 2013, 12:55:42 AM
Well I'll certainly say that looks real even to me.
Two Jalapeno's were sent out according to Jody, and I'm likely the other target according to Dave.
Being in Aus means it may be a while to get here ...


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: erk on April 21, 2013, 12:56:47 AM
Looks like the Day of ASIC BFL has finally dawned.

I guess the next question is... will they be able to get their higher density models working... or will it all be denominated in units of these 5GH jala-singles ( which frankly I think people would be fine with... but are they able to produce sufficient number to meet their obligations with only that model).  I imagine in a way it would be easier if they wanted to go this route.  They only need 1 assembly line rather than 3...


The reviewer said there is a case redesign in progress for the other models. The small cube probably would have issues getting rid of more than 50watts of heat.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: rograz on April 21, 2013, 01:03:06 AM
nah it's CGI, I bet they hired James Cameron to direct the demo


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Minor Miner on April 21, 2013, 01:03:54 AM
Well for the people that ordered singles and minirigs it is a bit of a shit sandwich to eat today.
but since josh is an honest guy and he says he can make 400 a day, I will expect to see around 2000 of these videos in the next two weeks.   Does anyone expect to see the HR of the network go up 10TH per week starting next week?  


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: creativex on April 21, 2013, 01:09:00 AM
Well for the people that ordered singles and minirigs it is a bit of a shit sandwich to eat today.
but since josh is an honest guy and he says he can make 400 a day, I will expect to see around 2000 of these videos in the next two weeks. Does anyone expect to see the HR of the network go up 10TH per week starting next week?

If it does it will be due to ASICMiner deploying real mining power, not BFL and their latest publicity stunt with their beta toys.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: PuertoLibre on April 21, 2013, 01:10:30 AM
Well, at least it didn't explode!

---------------------

Off-topic,
There is word that BFL is probably abusing Paypal refund policy. It seems to keep their account active they are "sending" people money rather than clicking on the refund button.

I do not know how extensively this is used, but it sounds like a call to Paypal may clear up whether this "workaround" is acceptable by their policies.

It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they (BFL) uses that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? rather than a refund for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and opens a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

I wonder how many other customers got their refund back as "a gift" rather than a standard (and proper) Paypal refund?

This came to my knowledge after reading this guys account:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1606-bfl-fraud-i-can-not-get-refund-5.html


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: rograz on April 21, 2013, 01:11:29 AM
but since josh is an honest guy and he says he can make 400 a day  

That is probably best case scenario if they have everything at hand and working at full speed. If they are redesigning the singles/little singles there will be more hiccups and supply constraints on the way.

They might get to 400 units a day eventually but you never get up to full speed on day 1 assembling shit unless your operation is already well oiled and you spent time streamlining.
Take anything Josh say and double/halve it and reduce/add 25% for good measure and you won't be so surprised at the end result anymore.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: repentance on April 21, 2013, 01:13:08 AM
Well I'll certainly say that looks real even to me.
Two Jalapeno's were sent out according to Jody, and I'm likely the other target according to Dave.
Being in Aus means it may be a while to get here ...

Not really.  I've ordered stuff from the US on a Saturday and had it delivered in Sydney by Thursday and that was just normal express, not priority - and that was on a public holiday weekend (mind you, the tracking info was telling me it was still in customs even after it had been delivered).


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Minor Miner on April 21, 2013, 01:14:30 AM
but since josh is an honest guy and he says he can make 400 a day  

That is probably best case scenario if they have everything at hand and working at full speed. If they are redesigning the singles/little singles there will be more hiccups and supply constraints on the way.

They might get to 400 units a day eventually but you never get up to full speed on day 1 assembling shit unless your operation is already well oiled and you spent time streamlining.
Take anything Josh say and double/halve it and reduce/add 25% for good measure and you won't be so surprised at the end result anymore.
I was being sarcastic.   I only thing an completely disorganized group of guys like josh can make 400 of in a day are posts to forums.    And he could not even do that correctly since he was busted here on this forum when he was logging in and out of two different accounts.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: rograz on April 21, 2013, 01:17:18 AM
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Inaba on April 21, 2013, 01:18:54 AM
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.

Haha, do you expect anything less from Puerto Libre?  He's lied repeatedly for months, why not throw some fraud into the mix?  He's right up his alley, given his lifestyle.

Can you feel the epic wave of back peddling by the likes of Yajaira D Guevara and the rest of the clown crew as they try to claim they never said BFL was a scam or that BFL would never ship or that BFL never had ASICs etc... but they ACTUALLY meant something entirely different.




Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Minor Miner on April 21, 2013, 01:22:23 AM
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.

Haha, do you expect anything less from Puerto Libre?  He's lied repeatedly for months, why not throw some fraud into the mix?  He's right up his alley, given his lifestyle.

Josh Zerlan of BFL Labs is Inaba.   Not sure why he does not point that out but for the people who do not know, this is a senior executive of BFL that is using all the profanity on these boards.
Josh;
Why don't you tone it down a bit.   Do your victory lap (although it is early for that) but a guy in your position probably should not piss people off to the point it becomes their mission to drop the dime on you.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: shmadz on April 21, 2013, 01:25:42 AM
It seems to keep their account active they are "sending" people money rather than clicking on the refund button.


This came to my knowledge after reading this guys account:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1606-bfl-fraud-i-can-not-get-refund-5.html

what came to my knowledge after reading that guy's account was the response from BFL_StevenM:

"The 45-day default limit on PayPal refunds does not mean that we can't just click "Send Money". "

Clearly stating that they are willing, and able, to refund money above and beyond the 45 day limit set by pay-pal.



Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: rograz on April 21, 2013, 01:26:30 AM
Josh is what I always imagined a Blizzard community manager to be if their bosses one day said "today you can post whatever the fuck you want on the forums"

The level of stupid on these forums follows about the same curve as your average gaming forum.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: PuertoLibre on April 21, 2013, 01:27:00 AM
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.
Rograz,

You seem to be ignorant.

Paypal does not allow anyone to offer a refund "outside" of Paypal services.

BFL cannot offer an alternative means of compensation. If paid by Paypal, they cannot offer BTC, Wire Transfers, etc.

There is a good reason why Paypal account have metrics. The Paypal system is supposed to catch abnormal surges of money or a spike of refunds and alert them. Working around the refund process to transfer huge quantities of refunded money under the nose of Paypal is against Paypal Policy. This is "fraud" and "abuse" of the Paypal system.





Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Inaba on April 21, 2013, 01:28:15 AM
Josh is what I always imagined a Blizzard community manager to be if their bosses one day said "today you can post whatever the fuck you want on the forums"

What you might find even more frightening is the the fact that I restrain myself a great deal when posting on Bitcointalk. :)



Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: shmadz on April 21, 2013, 01:30:16 AM
Josh is what I always imagined a Blizzard community manager to be if their bosses one day said "today you can post whatever the fuck you want on the forums"

What you might find even more frightening is the the fact that I try, and fail to, restrain myself a great deal when posting on Bitcointalk. :)



ftfy :)


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: PuertoLibre on April 21, 2013, 01:31:19 AM
It seems to keep their account active they are "sending" people money rather than clicking on the refund button.


This came to my knowledge after reading this guys account:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1606-bfl-fraud-i-can-not-get-refund-5.html

what came to my knowledge after reading that guy's account was the response from BFL_StevenM:

"The 45-day default limit on PayPal refunds does not mean that we can't just click "Send Money". "

Clearly stating that they are willing, and able, to refund money above and beyond the 45 day limit set by pay-pal.


I don't think you understand the situation:

Read carefully:

"The 45-day default limit on PayPal refunds does not mean that we can't just click "Send Money". This option costs us a tiny fee, but nothing we can't handle. Our PayPal refund period is longer though. Spec was told that PayPal will not allow anyone to send money to the country which is registered on Spec's PayPal account. A bankwire was attempted on 2013-04-05, has not been confirmed by Spec's bank. BFL_Jody will have to check the wire logs and email Spec again."

Last I checked the refund button disappears after 60 days. The 45 day limit is (last I checked) for escalating the issue to a claim. The two are different.

In either case, I'll call them up right now and ask.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Inaba on April 21, 2013, 01:31:38 AM
Josh is what I always imagined a Blizzard community manager to be if their bosses one day said "today you can post whatever the fuck you want on the forums"

What you might find even more frightening is the the fact that I try, and fail to, restrain myself a great deal when posting on Bitcointalk. :)



ftfy :)

Nope, you failed at fixing it, sorry.  I meant what I said.  Unlike many people here, I'm capable of communicating my thoughts and meanings fairly accurately.



Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: PuertoLibre on April 21, 2013, 01:32:25 AM
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.

Haha, do you expect anything less from Puerto Libre?  He's lied repeatedly for months, why not throw some fraud into the mix?  He's right up his alley, given his lifestyle.

Can you feel the epic wave of back peddling by the likes of Yajaira D Guevara and the rest of the clown crew as they try to claim they never said BFL was a scam or that BFL would never ship or that BFL never had ASICs etc... but they ACTUALLY meant something entirely different.



Want to play?

Josh[ua] Ryan Zerlan?


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: smoothie on April 21, 2013, 01:36:55 AM
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.

Haha, do you expect anything less from Puerto Libre?  He's lied repeatedly for months, why not throw some fraud into the mix?  He's right up his alley, given his lifestyle.

Can you feel the epic wave of back peddling by the likes of Yajaira D Guevara and the rest of the clown crew as they try to claim they never said BFL was a scam or that BFL would never ship or that BFL never had ASICs etc... but they ACTUALLY meant something entirely different.




So who lied in oct? Nov? Dec? Jan? Feb? Mar?

Months of lying from you mouth has been much more epic. You have more to account for than puerto. Stop deflecting lol


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: rograz on April 21, 2013, 01:37:35 AM
There is a good reason why Paypal account have metrics. The Paypal system is supposed to catch abnormal surges of money or a spike of refunds and alert them. Working around the refund process to transfer huge quantities of refunded money under the nose of Paypal is against Paypal Policy. This is "fraud" and "abuse" of the Paypal system.

There is a difference between them possibly breaking paypal's terms/rules and encouraging people to commit outright fraud. One gets you thrown out of paypal and one gets you thrown into jail, I'll leave it to you to sort out which one is which


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: shmadz on April 21, 2013, 01:38:28 AM
Josh is what I always imagined a Blizzard community manager to be if their bosses one day said "today you can post whatever the fuck you want on the forums"

What you might find even more frightening is the the fact that I try, and fail to, restrain myself a great deal when posting on Bitcointalk. :)



ftfy :)

Nope, you failed at fixing it, sorry.  I meant what I said.  Unlike many people here, I'm capable of communicating my thoughts and meanings fairly accurately.



I'm sorry as well, Josh. If your history of posts is evidence of restraint, I am truly fearful of what you might say were you "unrestrained"...

regardless, this is your day, that does indeed look like a working device, and I don't understand what you think to gain by trying to defend your supposed success?


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Joshster on April 21, 2013, 01:38:33 AM
Man, I want one of them pretty bad. Moving soon as well so will hopefully have more of my own space in my room to set up something nice. Yes I still live at home, I am 19 so space isn't what I have a lot of at the moment.  ;)


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: rograz on April 21, 2013, 01:44:50 AM
So who lied in oct? Nov? Dec? Jan? Feb? Mar?

Months of lying from you mouth has been much more epic. You have more to account for than puerto. Stop deflecting lol

If I had a penny for every delivery date and scheduled release in the tech world that has been moved/scrapped I would have, well I guess a lot of pennies. Doesn't make all those companies liars. BFL's biggest mistake was sharing their timelines and estimates before they had a solid information, their lack of experience in the field surely didn't help either.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: PuertoLibre on April 21, 2013, 01:46:32 AM
There is a good reason why Paypal account have metrics. The Paypal system is supposed to catch abnormal surges of money or a spike of refunds and alert them. Working around the refund process to transfer huge quantities of refunded money under the nose of Paypal is against Paypal Policy. This is "fraud" and "abuse" of the Paypal system.

There is a difference between them possibly breaking paypal's terms/rules and encouraging people to commit outright fraud. One get's you thrown out of paypal and one gets you thrown into jail, I'll leave it to you to sort out which one is which
Rograz, you can't possibly be serious...

If you potentially break/game the system then you are opening large loopholes. The refund process is simple and straightforward for a reason.

P.S. I don't encourage anyone to "double tap". It's just "the risk" you run if you refund someone through an outside system (or use an alternative within that said system). People are assholes when it comes to refunds. There is also no way for Paypal to verify that a refund has occurred if the customer lies about it. The people behind Paypal are pretty dumb about alot of things.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: John Self on April 21, 2013, 01:46:55 AM
Man, I want one of them pretty bad. Moving soon as well so will hopefully have more of my own space in my room to set up something nice. Yes I still live at home, I am 19 so space isn't what I have a lot of at the moment.  ;)

They look good!
(I wouldn't order one though because I think BFL have tens of thousands of orders to fill.)

Time for me to find a new hobby because there will be less trolling opportunities here.

Time for BFL to donate to charity, say sorry to customers for missing all targets, and donate 1000BTC to a good cause:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/123-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-they-miss-their-power-targets-comments4.html (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/123-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-they-miss-their-power-targets-comments4.html)


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: minternj on April 21, 2013, 01:48:31 AM

I wonder how many other customers got their refund back as "a gift" rather than a standard (and proper) Paypal refund?


Who cares. Money tied to a homing pigeon would do. You spent months "warning" people because you are some guy that can spot scams from a mile away. Its obvious what you agenda is, so please drop that pretense of being a noble guy defending newbies from scammers. We are mostly educated people here with secondary degrees and skilled jobs and can understand the risks we take. Don't do us any favors with your high post counts.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Inaba on April 21, 2013, 01:49:13 AM
So who lied in oct? Nov? Dec? Jan? Feb? Mar?

Months of lying from you mouth has been much more epic. You have more to account for than puerto. Stop deflecting lol

If I had a penny for every delivery date and scheduled release in the tech world that has been moved/scrapped I would have, well I guess a lot of pennies. Doesn't make all those companies liars. BFL's biggest mistake was sharing their timelines and estimates before they had a solid information, their lack of experience in the field surely didn't help either.

Indeed, you can be sure it won't be happening again if I have anything to say about it.  The ship dates were announced before I came on board with BFL and going forward, unless I am explicitly overridden, we will not be making any shipping date commitments.  It will be Valve time from here on out if I have my way.



Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Minor Miner on April 21, 2013, 01:55:25 AM
So who lied in oct? Nov? Dec? Jan? Feb? Mar?

Months of lying from you mouth has been much more epic. You have more to account for than puerto. Stop deflecting lol

If I had a penny for every delivery date and scheduled release in the tech world that has been moved/scrapped I would have, well I guess a lot of pennies. Doesn't make all those companies liars. BFL's biggest mistake was sharing their timelines and estimates before they had a solid information, their lack of experience in the field surely didn't help either.

Indeed, you can be sure it won't be happening again if I have anything to say about it.  The ship dates were announced before I came on board with BFL and going forward, unless I am explicitly overridden, we will not be making any shipping date commitments.  It will be Valve time from here on out if I have my way
rograz;
shouldn't you be back at BFL helping box the 400 jallies that should ship tomorrow?
Josh;
I know you have a lot of posts and probably cannot remember them all (especially the ones you have deleted) but it was YOU, Josh and Inaba that kept saying you were shipping next week.   It was also you who said that you had sent the device LAST in for FCC testing for approval and would be shipping first week of December.   It was not someone else.   It was Josh Zerlan.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 21, 2013, 01:58:34 AM
So who lied in oct? Nov? Dec? Jan? Feb? Mar?

Months of lying from you mouth has been much more epic. You have more to account for than puerto. Stop deflecting lol

If I had a penny for every delivery date and scheduled release in the tech world that has been moved/scrapped I would have, well I guess a lot of pennies. Doesn't make all those companies liars. BFL's biggest mistake was sharing their timelines and estimates before they had a solid information, their lack of experience in the field surely didn't help either.

Indeed, you can be sure it won't be happening again if I have anything to say about it.  The ship dates were announced before I came on board with BFL and going forward, unless I am explicitly overridden, we will not be making any shipping date commitments.  It will be Valve time from here on out if I have my way.



I was wondering where to put this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qJfNBTWd68Y/USIJzFPz9ZI/AAAAAAAAFYU/qJeYqHfIGp8/s1600/abraham-lincoln-on-marijuana.jpg


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: rograz on April 21, 2013, 02:00:16 AM
It will be Valve time from here on out if I have my way.

Id much more prefer the Blizzard approach of  "when it's done it's done".
Valve time is like a crackling madman who sometimes does something and then says he will do whatever he just did in a few weeks time. Other times it will be "tomorrow" and then he disappears for 8 months.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: creativex on April 21, 2013, 02:02:20 AM
So who lied in oct? Nov? Dec? Jan? Feb? Mar?

Months of lying from you mouth has been much more epic. You have more to account for than puerto. Stop deflecting lol

If I had a penny for every delivery date and scheduled release in the tech world that has been moved/scrapped I would have, well I guess a lot of pennies. Doesn't make all those companies liars. BFL's biggest mistake was sharing their timelines and estimates before they had a solid information, their lack of experience in the field surely didn't help either.

Indeed, you can be sure it won't be happening again if I have anything to say about it.  The ship dates were announced before I came on board with BFL and going forward, unless I am explicitly overridden, we will not be making any shipping date commitments.  It will be Valve time from here on out if I have my way.

Nice.

In your face FTC! JZ says NO to your silly rules about delivering stuff people paid for. ;)

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/alt051-selling-internet-prompt-delivery-rules

You da man JZ. Hey send those FCC trolls a get lost memo too while you're at it since you didn't comply there either. We know how Sonny feels about the man though, so nobody expects BFL officers to follow the same rules as everyone else. It's just the silly FCC though, Sonny is unlikely to go back to jail for it.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: nathanrees19 on April 21, 2013, 03:35:06 AM
Haha, do you expect anything less from Puerto Libre?  He's lied repeatedly for months, why not throw some fraud into the mix?  He's right up his alley, given his lifestyle.

Can you feel the epic wave of back peddling by the likes of Yajaira D Guevara and the rest of the clown crew as they try to claim they never said BFL was a scam or that BFL would never ship or that BFL never had ASICs etc... but they ACTUALLY meant something entirely different.

I expected that those who were emotionally invested in the whole "omg BFL is a scam" thing would have trouble accepting otherwise and would probably look for other reasons for BFL to be in the wrong, but honestly I'm slightly surprised that PL outright advocated fraud.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: nathanrees19 on April 21, 2013, 03:36:50 AM
So who lied in oct? Nov? Dec? Jan? Feb? Mar?

broken promise != lie


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Epicblood on April 21, 2013, 03:38:38 AM
So who lied in oct? Nov? Dec? Jan? Feb? Mar?

broken promise != lie
Sure it does, they said they would ship at a certain date, they did not.
that is a lie


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Bogart on April 21, 2013, 03:50:48 AM
That red triple-headed power cable looks familiar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uez9AVfDQIg=).


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: PuertoLibre on April 21, 2013, 04:00:06 AM
It is pretty sneaky. Though they would probably not want anyone to know that their customers might be able to "double tap" them for a refund.

Consider that a customer using Paypal would want an actual refund of a transaction. So they use that workaround to "send" the customer money as a ?"gift"? for what they are owed. The original transaction still remains with that valid refund button. So if that customer still demands the transaction be refunded and open a dispute....they may very well get to "double tap" the refund.

So you you have spent months calling BFL a scam and now you are encouraging people to commit fraud? Really taking the moral high ground here I see!

A small tip, when you are trying throw shit at others make sure to not stand in your own shit pile, your shoes tend to get messy that way.

Haha, do you expect anything less from Puerto Libre?  He's lied repeatedly for months, why not throw some fraud into the mix?  He's right up his alley, given his lifestyle.

Can you feel the epic wave of back peddling by the likes of Yajaira D Guevara and the rest of the clown crew as they try to claim they never said BFL was a scam or that BFL would never ship or that BFL never had ASICs etc... but they ACTUALLY meant something entirely different.



Want to play?

Josh[ua] Ryan Zerlan?
I expected that those who were emotionally invested in the whole "omg BFL is a scam" thing would have trouble accepting otherwise and would probably look for other reasons for BFL to be in the wrong, but honestly I'm slightly surprised that PL outright advocated fraud.

I didn't advocate fraud. If people end up doing it, it is because BFL is misapplying refunds. (IMO) There is no loophole until it is then created.

There is an incentive now to close this loophole. I am surprised no one ever realized it.

----------------

I guess no one seems to wonder how a company can issue refunds of thousands of dollars of pre-order merchandise and Paypal never balks at it?

Circumvent the way refunds are done and you open up a backdoor to new problems. As long as no one is the wiser the abuse may continue. If you want to say sly crap, go right ahead. Pointing it out is not advocating.

Unless you are one of those types that thinks security through obscurity is...security?

Let Paypal deal with that issue when they come to it.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Inaba on April 21, 2013, 04:04:05 AM
Quote
I guess no one seems to wonder how a company can issue refunds of thousands of dollars of pre-order merchandise and Paypal never balks at it?

See, Yajaira D Guevara, this is why you're so pathetic.  You make statements like this.  Who says we issue refunds of thousands of dollars?  Your warped little mind?  We get very little refund requests in the grand scheme of things.  I know you desperately want it to be true that people are asking for refunds in droves, but it's simply not the case.  This is why I know a large majority of the whiny brats that cry about BFL still maintain their pre-orders.  Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you had a stealth order yourself, just like Frizz, but until there's evidence of that, I'll give you props for being one of the few trolls who actually doesn't have a pre-order.

You just go on advocating fraud there, Yajaira.  You are a real stand up guy!  Not only a liar, but a thief and fraudster as well, GG!





Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: nathanrees19 on April 21, 2013, 04:09:10 AM
So who lied in oct? Nov? Dec? Jan? Feb? Mar?

broken promise != lie
Sure it does, they said they would ship at a certain date, they did not.
that is a lie

Wrong.

Edit so that this doesn't go back and forth forever:

A lie would be saying "We shipped in October" in November when they haven't shipped in October. If they say "We intend to ship in October" but something happens and they can't, that statement doesn't retroactively become a lie. A statement is true or false at the time that it is made; to knowingly make a false statement is to lie, by definition. Anything else is not a lie.

You see this kind of thing in politics all the time. A politician says "I will not do X".  They are later forced to do X due to external factors, and their opponent then (incorrectly) calls them a liar, even if they honestly intended to not do X. Or worse, they are forced to do Y which is kinda like X yet not X, their opponent then misrepresents Y as X and then calls them a liar. The general public is often too stupid to see that Y is not X and that even doing X would not have made it a lie...


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: PuertoLibre on April 21, 2013, 04:09:22 AM
Quote
I guess no one seems to wonder how a company can issue refunds of thousands of dollars of pre-order merchandise and Paypal never balks at it?

See, Yajaira D Guevara, this is why you're so pathetic.  You make statements like this.  Who says we issue refunds of thousands of dollars?  Your warped little mind?  We get very little refund requests in the grand scheme of things.  I know you desperately want it to be true that people are asking for refunds in droves, but it's simply not the case.  This is why I know a large majority of the whiny brats that cry about BFL still maintain their pre-orders.  Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you had a stealth order yourself, just like Frizz, but until there's evidence of that, I'll give you props for being one of the few trolls who actually doesn't have a pre-order.

You just go on advocating fraud there, Yajaira.  You are a real stand up guy!  Not only a liar, but a thief and fraudster as well, GG!




Joshua Ryan Zerlan,

That is definitely trollbait. I don't really have much to say since I am sure everybody will pile on at some point.

"This is why I know a large majority of the whiny brats that cry about BFL still maintain their pre-orders." --Joshua Ryan Zerlan


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: PuertoLibre on April 21, 2013, 04:14:07 AM


You just go on advocating fraud there, Yajaira.  You are a real stand up guy!  Not only a liar, but a thief and fraudster as well, GG!




By the way, my dear genius, keep in mind...when you refund. You refund, that is pretty much it. There is "no more" to "fraud" the "process". It was designed a specific way for a specific means. If you alter that to avoid account closure that is your business. So far you don't even seem to be denying it.

Now if you abuse the system to keep from being "flagged", then yes, you open yourself to claims and "double taps". Try explaining to Paypal why the next customer is asking for a refund on their transaction after you claim you have already given them their money.

Do you actually think the 9 to 5 people at Paypal will actually give a damn that you used some exterior method to compensate your customer? I don't think they will. They will look at their screen like a robot plugged in and say something akin to "Sir, I see on my screen that this transaction has not yet been refunded. I am therefore going to close the claim and issue their refund. Thank you."

Don't expect Paypal to go the extra mile. It won't happen. Reasoning with them is futile. (I hope someone posts that Star Trek Borg cube after this)


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: PuertoLibre on April 21, 2013, 04:20:16 AM
Pro Tip:

Don't ever mention that you offer to give your customers refunds via BitCoin. Especially if they made a USD purchase through PayPal services. Instant closure of your account is an almost 99% certainty to occur.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: nathanrees19 on April 21, 2013, 04:21:18 AM
Do you actually think the 9 to 5 people at Paypal will actually give a damn that you used some exterior method to compensate your customer? I don't think they will.

I don't think you have any fucking idea what you're talking about.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Inaba on April 21, 2013, 04:21:46 AM
You do realize that real businesses that do a large amount of transactions with Paypal have account reps assigned to them specifically... sort of like a concierge service, right?  Oh, no, that's right.. you live in a shack in San Antonio and have a failed Computer Repair business and you buy women's handbags on the side... I guess you wouldn't know anything about doing business on a scale beyond a few dollars here and there, would you?  

Do you honestly think Paypal is unaware that our business involves hardware that is related to Bitcoin?  Seriously?






Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: PuertoLibre on April 21, 2013, 04:23:03 AM
You do realize that real businesses that do a large amount of transactions with Paypal have account reps assigned to them specifically... sort of like a concierge service, right?  
You mean the account manager or a senior manager? You seem to think you are strangely unique in that regard. Crazy...

If hundreds of members here have thousands of dollars to spend...I am pretty sure if they have ever been in business (like many have) they know that. I had dozens to handle different accounts in the past. So what of it?

Oh, no, that's right.. you live in a shack in San Antonio and have a failed Computer Repair business and you buy women's handbags on the side... I guess you wouldn't know anything about doing business on a scale beyond a few dollars here and there, would you?  

Do you honestly think Paypal is unaware that our business involves hardware that is related to Bitcoin?  Seriously?





;D

It could be worse, I could be you.  :o

Edit: By the way, in all seriousness. You should be applauded for getting this far. Your dedication to the miner and ability to take multiple hits for Team BFL is really admirable. You definitely know how to walk through a marsh full of shit and still walk to the other end.

No one should ever say that you didn't have a sense of dedication to see things through to the end. I'll give you credit when it is due.

(I am also thankful that the new Jalapeno didn't burn the reviewers hands upon touching it. It seems like it lost it's coffee warming abilities.)


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: nathanrees19 on April 21, 2013, 04:32:16 AM
Serious question for BFL: are you getting some hardware to ck? The cgminer team needs some love.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Inaba on April 21, 2013, 04:34:19 AM
Yes, Conman and Kano should be getting their units next week as well as Bitminter, among a number of others.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Nancarrow on April 21, 2013, 04:35:24 AM
This video is great news. BFL finally got their shit together, even if power needs were wildly underestimated. This is infinitely better than that slimy shit Luke and Josh pulled three weeks ago.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: nathanrees19 on April 21, 2013, 04:37:04 AM
Yes, Conman and Kano should be getting their units next week as well as Bitminter, among a number of others.

Cheers.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Epicblood on April 21, 2013, 04:56:49 AM
So who lied in oct? Nov? Dec? Jan? Feb? Mar?

broken promise != lie
Sure it does, they said they would ship at a certain date, they did not.
that is a lie

Wrong.

Edit so that this doesn't go back and forth forever:

A lie would be saying "We shipped in October" in November when they haven't shipped in October. If they say "We intend to ship in October" but something happens and they can't, that statement doesn't retroactively become a lie. A statement is true or false at the time that it is made; to knowingly make a false statement is to lie, by definition. Anything else is not a lie.

You see this kind of thing in politics all the time. A politician says "I will not do X".  They are later forced to do X due to external factors, and their opponent then (incorrectly) calls them a liar, even if they honestly intended to not do X. Or worse, they are forced to do Y which is kinda like X yet not X, their opponent then misrepresents Y as X and then calls them a liar. The general public is often too stupid to see that Y is not X and that even doing X would not have made it a lie...
Alright, I see where you're coming from.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Syke on April 21, 2013, 05:38:20 AM

A lie would be saying "We shipped in October" in November when they haven't shipped in October. If they say "We intend to ship in October" but something happens and they can't, that statement doesn't retroactively become a lie. A statement is true or false at the time that it is made; to knowingly make a false statement is to lie, by definition. Anything else is not a lie.

There are lots of different kinds of lies. Putting forth ship dates that have no chance to be met, is a "misleading" lie. Being in "final stages of development" for 7 months is a "puffery" lie. Promising "1 watt consumed per gigahash" when they haven't even built a prototype is a "fabrication" lie.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: k9quaint on April 21, 2013, 05:45:19 AM

A lie would be saying "We shipped in October" in November when they haven't shipped in October. If they say "We intend to ship in October" but something happens and they can't, that statement doesn't retroactively become a lie. A statement is true or false at the time that it is made; to knowingly make a false statement is to lie, by definition. Anything else is not a lie.

There are lots of different kinds of lies. Putting forth ship dates that have no chance to be met, is a "misleading" lie. Being in "final stages of development" for 7 months is a "puffery" lie. Promising "1 watt consumed per gigahash" when they haven't even built a prototype is a "fabrication" lie.

There were also cut and dry claims such as the processing of certification with FCC or UL were nearly complete when the prototype did not yet exist and no record of certification application exists (public records are a bitch)



Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Xian01 on April 21, 2013, 05:57:45 AM
You are a real stand up guy!  Not only a liar, but a thief and fraudster as well, GG!

 Holy shit dude... Glass houses much ?!


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Frizz23 on April 21, 2013, 06:49:41 AM
Haha, do you expect anything less from Puerto Libre?  He's lied repeatedly for months, why not throw some fraud into the mix?

[some more ranting deleted]

Right, Josh. We are all liars. Only you speak the truth  ;)

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Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: -ck on April 21, 2013, 07:10:34 AM
Yes, Conman and Kano should be getting their units next week as well as Bitminter, among a number of others.
Well that's reassuring news, thanks. I haven't heard a thing in months directly so I've been in the dark as much as anyone else.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: erk on April 21, 2013, 07:24:21 AM
Yes, Conman and Kano should be getting their units next week as well as Bitminter, among a number of others.
Well that's reassuring news, thanks. I haven't heard a thing in months directly so I've been in the dark as much as anyone else.

Grats! Will cgminer support multiple "Jalapeno"  devices at the same time?



Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: -ck on April 21, 2013, 07:38:05 AM
Yes, Conman and Kano should be getting their units next week as well as Bitminter, among a number of others.
Well that's reassuring news, thanks. I haven't heard a thing in months directly so I've been in the dark as much as anyone else.
Grats! Will cgminer support multiple "Jalapeno"  devices at the same time?
Of course.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: rupy on April 21, 2013, 08:41:26 AM
Am I the only one who wants to see the new single case?


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: BTC-engineer on April 21, 2013, 08:43:50 AM
That red triple-headed power cable looks familiar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uez9AVfDQIg=).

It's a really good idea to add a power adapter cable. But it looks like this cable is made for a specific modular ATX power supply from OCZ (or compatible). The used connector on the cable is not the counterpart connector for normal PCIe cables from standard ATX power supplies.

I hoped they offered a more generic solution.
 


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: jayeeyee on April 21, 2013, 09:06:21 AM
"This is why I know a large majority of the whiny brats that cry about BFL still maintain their pre-orders."

Quote taken out of context but I felt the need to draw a line Josh.  Sure, you're talking on a BTC forum so you do not need to practice any professionalism as you would on BFL's forum.  However, you represent yourself and on behalf of BFL as most of us sees it.  To frankly put it and on how I see it, you sure do talk a lot of smack.  I haven't seen a single post from you on some of the topics regarding BFL that I regularly watch, maybe you thought it would be better to not add more fuel into the fire or maybe there wasn't anything you could reply back in a "smart-ass" tone.  And now, the way I see it, you're getting on your victory dance because BFL has proven something against all odds and accusations,  well.. congrats to you then, maybe you deserve it, maybe not... I don't know nor care.   But that's not the point, you are you and what you say will affect your image and the company you work/represent for.

I seriously don't understand why you have the need to flame back.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: deceiver on April 21, 2013, 09:11:56 AM
Good News!! I hope get my jalapeņo with chesse for the  next month. Order #100043XXX.. too much hope? ^^


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 21, 2013, 09:44:54 AM

A lie would be saying "We shipped in October" in November when they haven't shipped in October. If they say "We intend to ship in October" but something happens and they can't, that statement doesn't retroactively become a lie. A statement is true or false at the time that it is made; to knowingly make a false statement is to lie, by definition. Anything else is not a lie.

There are lots of different kinds of lies. Putting forth ship dates that have no chance to be met, is a "misleading" lie. Being in "final stages of development" for 7 months is a "puffery" lie. Promising "1 watt consumed per gigahash" when they haven't even built a prototype is a "fabrication" lie.

Delivery product way out of specs and sticking it to their investors while they're lying face down is a reach-around lie.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: sunblaster on April 21, 2013, 09:53:56 AM
"This is why I know a large majority of the whiny brats that cry about BFL still maintain their pre-orders."

Quote taken out of context but I felt the need to draw a line Josh.  Sure, you're talking on a BTC forum so you do not need to practice any professionalism as you would on BFL's forum.  However, you represent yourself and on behalf of BFL as most of us sees it.  To frankly put it and on how I see it, you sure do talk a lot of smack.  I haven't seen a single post from you on some of the topics regarding BFL that I regularly watch, maybe you thought it would be better to not add more fuel into the fire or maybe there wasn't anything you could reply back in a "smart-ass" tone.  And now, the way I see it, you're getting on your victory dance because BFL has proven something against all odds and accusations,  well.. congrats to you then, maybe you deserve it, maybe not... I don't know nor care.   But that's not the point, you are you and what you say will affect your image and the company you work/represent for.

I seriously don't understand why you have the need to flame back.

Ive seen few post and wondered how a comunity manager at self respected corporation would allow himself to post in such a non proffesional manner. Its one thing to troll anonimously, but writing prophanity while using real name and posting on behalf of an enterprise doesnt speak highly about the individual and business he represents.

Art


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: erk on April 21, 2013, 09:57:41 AM
"This is why I know a large majority of the whiny brats that cry about BFL still maintain their pre-orders."

Quote taken out of context but I felt the need to draw a line Josh.  Sure, you're talking on a BTC forum so you do not need to practice any professionalism as you would on BFL's forum.  However, you represent yourself and on behalf of BFL as most of us sees it.  To frankly put it and on how I see it, you sure do talk a lot of smack.  I haven't seen a single post from you on some of the topics regarding BFL that I regularly watch, maybe you thought it would be better to not add more fuel into the fire or maybe there wasn't anything you could reply back in a "smart-ass" tone.  And now, the way I see it, you're getting on your victory dance because BFL has proven something against all odds and accusations,  well.. congrats to you then, maybe you deserve it, maybe not... I don't know nor care.   But that's not the point, you are you and what you say will affect your image and the company you work/represent for.

I seriously don't understand why you have the need to flame back.

Ive seen few post and wondered how a comunity manager at self respected corporation would allow himself to post in such a non proffesional manner. Its one thing to troll anonimously, but writing prophanity while using real name and posting on behalf of an enterprise doesnt speak highly about the individual and business he represents.

Art
It's because these forums are not very heavily moderated, people tend to go a bit overboard than they probably normally would. I spend a lot of time on other computer forums, and the mods there would have deleted half the posts in this thread within 10min. and issued some bans. There are libel and defamation issues to consider, the board owners would want to be seen as actively doing the right things. Each to their own.




Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: sunblaster on April 21, 2013, 10:04:59 AM
If I were to use foul language on any online media while representing my place of work I would get fired in no time. I dont think it matters if you are working for #1 employer in the country or a small startup in Kansas you have to have integrity and proffesionalism, things that money cant buy.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: mezzomix on April 21, 2013, 10:12:51 AM
The only thing Josh demonstrates here is that BFL sees the customer as a piece of shit. A customer has to pay money and shut up. For me the Single SC was my first and my last deal with BFL. Well, at the moment there is no deal - I paid money to BFL to watch Avalon and ASICMINER shipping ASIC miners to their customers.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Turbor on April 21, 2013, 10:43:04 AM
The only thing Josh demonstrates here is that BFL sees the customer as a piece of shit. A customer has to pay money and shut up. For me the Single SC was my first and my last deal with BFL. Well, at the moment there is no deal - I paid money to BFL to watch Avalon and ASICMINER shipping ASIC miners to their customers.

Some asshats are bashing BFL for months. Josh gave them what they deserved. I never had problems with customer support at BFL. They came back to me within 10 minutes all the time.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Dougie on April 21, 2013, 10:55:22 AM
Wow. I'm still glad I didn't buy one. It seems quite noisy too.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: baad on April 21, 2013, 11:01:15 AM
That red triple-headed power cable looks familiar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uez9AVfDQIg=).

It's a really good idea to add a power adapter cable. But it looks like this cable is made for a specific modular ATX power supply from OCZ (or compatible). The used connector on the cable is not the counterpart connector for normal PCIe cables from standard ATX power supplies.

I hoped they offered a more generic solution.
 

Yes, a molex or some old fashioned pc connector should be great.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: erschiessen on April 21, 2013, 12:00:38 PM
Yes, Conman and Kano should be getting their units next week as well as Bitminter, among a number of others.
I gotta say, I like it.
So far 2 devices have shipped, and a few more to come.
Are those to ship next going to real customers, or are these jalepenos advertising gimmicks?
I'm not trying to bust anyones stones, but I find myself in a real tight spot.
10 weeks to wait for some Avalon chips... couple more (at least) to have them populate boards...

It would be most cost effective for me to purchase jalepenos... If, indeed, I could obtain them more quickly than the other route.
Shucks, a single and a jalepeno would be perfect, for now.



Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: YipYip on April 21, 2013, 02:03:36 PM
Josh is what I always imagined a Blizzard community manager to be if their bosses one day said "today you can post whatever the fuck you want on the forums"

What you might find even more frightening is the the fact that I restrain myself a great deal when posting on Bitcointalk. :)



Really.....The one about..... nothing that a a bottle of jack,a coat hanger and his pregnant mother wouldnt fix

Senior VP Fortune 500 material ....keep up the good work ..lol


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: dan99 on April 21, 2013, 02:38:09 PM
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Oh, this gets interesting. I didn't expect this amount of sales in such a short timewindow.

Now it would be a golden time for BFL to start shipping if they don't want cancelled orders flooding in like crazy.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: alexcamp on April 21, 2013, 02:47:02 PM
[....]

Seriously, Josh
If you would have taken all the time you wasted on these forums and put it to good use, (like I dunno... developing a working product), i'm sure a lot of your customers would already have their units and all those discussions would be pointless.

Please show a little respect like the mature guy you are (..or are you?), especially for the hundreds/thousands of people that trusted your endeavour and invested in your product.

Stop wasting time on the forums and get to work. There is still too much to be done on your part to be here publicly playing with customer emotions.


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Oh, this gets interesting. I didn't expect this amount of sales in such a short timewindow.

Now it would be a golden time for BFL to start shipping if they don't want cancelled orders flooding in like crazy.


To be more clear, by shipping I mean shipping actual finalized products to paying customers. So far we have seen one dev-unit possibly touched by luke-jr, and now this thread is about the very first sample unit in the hands of non-BFL-affiliated personnel, outside BFL headquarters.

There is still quite some way to go before they can actually start shipping in quantities that could catch up to the preorder queue some day.

EDIT:
I don't know if this "Codinginmysleep" guy did place one of the very first pre-orders nearly a year ago, but shipping usually starts with the orders being filled in the same order they were originally placed. Thus I'm not yet changing my signature about BFL's shipping problems.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: chipd on April 21, 2013, 03:01:46 PM
[....]

Seriously, Josh
If you would have taken all the time you wasted on these forums and put it to good use, (like I dunno... developing a working product), i'm sure a lot of your customers would already have their units and all those discussions would be pointless.

Please show a little respect like the mature guy you are (..or are you?), especially for the hundreds/thousands of people that trusted your endeavour and invested in your product.

Stop wasting time on the forums and get to work. There is still too much to be done on your part to be here publicly playing with customer emotions.

The way he behave publicly and with the background checks respectable companies do today, he will be won't get a job opportunity ever again.
That leaves him with hanging out with his alleged fraudster friends, Vleisides and Fletcher to name a few, being a low-life criminal for the reminder of his life.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Minor Miner on April 21, 2013, 04:15:29 PM
The only thing Josh demonstrates here is that BFL sees the customer as a piece of shit. A customer has to pay money and shut up. For me the Single SC was my first and my last deal with BFL. Well, at the moment there is no deal - I paid money to BFL to watch Avalon and ASICMINER shipping ASIC miners to their customers.

Some asshats are bashing BFL for months. Josh gave them what they deserved. I never had problems with customer support at BFL. They came back to me within 10 minutes all the time.
"asshats"?   Josh, you have another handle on here?    You certainly seem to get better customer service than anyone else since most people hear NOTHING when they ask questions.   Given the way you speak, I wager you work at BFL


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Turbor on April 21, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
Given the way you speak, I wager you work at BFL

I speak the way I want. And no I don't work at or for BFL. But I used their previous hardware long before you showed up here :-X


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: pizza on April 21, 2013, 05:01:29 PM
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I guess no one seems to wonder how a company can issue refunds of thousands of dollars of pre-order merchandise and Paypal never balks at it?

See, Yajaira D Guevara, this is why you're so pathetic.  You make statements like this.  Who says we issue refunds of thousands of dollars?  Your warped little mind?  We get very little refund requests in the ]grand scheme of things.  I know you desperately want it to be true that people are asking for refunds in droves, but it's simply not the case.  This is why I know a large majority of the whiny brats that cry about BFL still maintain their pre-orders.  Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you had a stealth order yourself, just like Frizz, but until there's evidence of that, I'll give you props for being one of the few trolls who actually doesn't have a pre-order.

You just go on advocating fraud there, Yajaira.  You are a real stand up guy!  Not only a liar, but a thief and fraudster as well, GG!





You see guys this is all a grand scheme lol


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: DPoS on April 21, 2013, 10:06:59 PM
The only thing Josh demonstrates here is that BFL sees the customer as a piece of shit. A customer has to pay money and shut up. For me the Single SC was my first and my last deal with BFL. Well, at the moment there is no deal - I paid money to BFL to watch Avalon and ASICMINER shipping ASIC miners to their customers.

Some asshats are bashing BFL for months. Josh gave them what they deserved. I never had problems with customer support at BFL. They came back to me within 10 minutes all the time.

What if you pre-ordered a MiniRig?   Don't you think they could of been a bit more truthful with their expectations and let someone who ponied up $30k in on the DOA status of it?

If they took a few humble pills there would be much less attacks on them



Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: k9quaint on April 22, 2013, 12:40:41 AM
The only thing Josh demonstrates here is that BFL sees the customer as a piece of shit. A customer has to pay money and shut up. For me the Single SC was my first and my last deal with BFL. Well, at the moment there is no deal - I paid money to BFL to watch Avalon and ASICMINER shipping ASIC miners to their customers.

Some asshats are bashing BFL for months. Josh gave them what they deserved. I never had problems with customer support at BFL. They came back to me within 10 minutes all the time.

What if you pre-ordered a MiniRig?   Don't you think they could of been a bit more truthful with their expectations and let someone who ponied up $30k in on the DOA status of it?

If they took a few humble pills there would be much less attacks on them

That and if there wasn't so much BFL PR spam, Avalon might have done larger batche sizes and then everyone could have ASICs by now. ;)


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: firefop on April 22, 2013, 01:17:08 AM
Am I the only one who wants to see the new single case?

Me too.

Personally, I'm just hoping that the single actually start shipping around the time the jallys do... because it's starting to feel like ordering larger units was a mistake.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: kano on April 22, 2013, 01:21:46 AM
The only thing Josh demonstrates here is that BFL sees the customer as a piece of shit. A customer has to pay money and shut up. For me the Single SC was my first and my last deal with BFL. Well, at the moment there is no deal - I paid money to BFL to watch Avalon and ASICMINER shipping ASIC miners to their customers.

Some asshats are bashing BFL for months. Josh gave them what they deserved. I never had problems with customer support at BFL. They came back to me within 10 minutes all the time.

What if you pre-ordered a MiniRig?   Don't you think they could of been a bit more truthful with their expectations and let someone who ponied up $30k in on the DOA status of it?

If they took a few humble pills there would be much less attacks on them

That and if there wasn't so much BFL PR spam, Avalon might have done larger batche sizes and then everyone could have ASICs by now. ;)
More than 3 months later, Avalon have shipped how many?
300?
(probably less - there were still people asking for their Batch #1 orders not long ago)
Reality please ...


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Joshster on April 22, 2013, 01:25:02 AM
Wish I could get my hands on one of these, I really don't know what to do with BTC mining. I don't want to go down the GPU route, and Avalon seem expensive.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: k9quaint on April 22, 2013, 01:27:30 AM
The only thing Josh demonstrates here is that BFL sees the customer as a piece of shit. A customer has to pay money and shut up. For me the Single SC was my first and my last deal with BFL. Well, at the moment there is no deal - I paid money to BFL to watch Avalon and ASICMINER shipping ASIC miners to their customers.

Some asshats are bashing BFL for months. Josh gave them what they deserved. I never had problems with customer support at BFL. They came back to me within 10 minutes all the time.

What if you pre-ordered a MiniRig?   Don't you think they could of been a bit more truthful with their expectations and let someone who ponied up $30k in on the DOA status of it?

If they took a few humble pills there would be much less attacks on them

That and if there wasn't so much BFL PR spam, Avalon might have done larger batche sizes and then everyone could have ASICs by now. ;)
More than 3 months later, Avalon have shipped how many?
300?
(probably less - there were still people asking for their Batch #1 orders not long ago)
Reality please ...

Avalon is shipping batch 2.
In real business. inventory is sized according to predicted interest in the market. I am sure Avalon presumed that BFL would also be shipping product by now, so they thought they would be sharing the ASIC market. Had they known the actual state of BFL's engineering, I am sure they could have reacted appropriately and captured that market share by increasing the size of their first batch.
Lying about their progress was certainly in BFL's interest, and they are not the only company to spread FUD in a market place to discourage entry by other parties.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: erk on April 22, 2013, 01:34:14 AM


Avalon is shipping batch 2.
In real business. inventory is sized according to predicted interest in the market. I am sure Avalon presumed that BFL would also be shipping product by now, so they thought they would be sharing the ASIC market. Had they known the actual state of BFL's engineering, I am sure they could have reacted appropriately and captured that market share by increasing the size of their first batch.
Lying about their progress was certainly in BFL's interest, and they are not the only company to spread FUD in a market place to discourage entry by other parties.

I don't agree with your assessment, simply because Avalon would not be getting orders for 490,000 ASIC's if people didn't have demand for their products. If they announced batch#4 I bet it would sell out fast.



Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: kano on April 22, 2013, 01:36:48 AM
The only thing Josh demonstrates here is that BFL sees the customer as a piece of shit. A customer has to pay money and shut up. For me the Single SC was my first and my last deal with BFL. Well, at the moment there is no deal - I paid money to BFL to watch Avalon and ASICMINER shipping ASIC miners to their customers.

Some asshats are bashing BFL for months. Josh gave them what they deserved. I never had problems with customer support at BFL. They came back to me within 10 minutes all the time.

What if you pre-ordered a MiniRig?   Don't you think they could of been a bit more truthful with their expectations and let someone who ponied up $30k in on the DOA status of it?

If they took a few humble pills there would be much less attacks on them

That and if there wasn't so much BFL PR spam, Avalon might have done larger batche sizes and then everyone could have ASICs by now. ;)
More than 3 months later, Avalon have shipped how many?
300?
(probably less - there were still people asking for their Batch #1 orders not long ago)
Reality please ...

Avalon is shipping batch 2.
...
Who has one?


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: k9quaint on April 22, 2013, 01:46:38 AM


Avalon is shipping batch 2.
In real business. inventory is sized according to predicted interest in the market. I am sure Avalon presumed that BFL would also be shipping product by now, so they thought they would be sharing the ASIC market. Had they known the actual state of BFL's engineering, I am sure they could have reacted appropriately and captured that market share by increasing the size of their first batch.
Lying about their progress was certainly in BFL's interest, and they are not the only company to spread FUD in a market place to discourage entry by other parties.

I don't agree with your assessment, simply because Avalon would not be getting orders for 490,000 ASIC's if people didn't have demand for their products. If they announced batch#4 I bet it would sell out fast.



Perhaps I communicated it badly. I was trying to express the point that Avalon could have anticipated this demand earlier if they had a better understanding of the true state of things in the ASIC market. Thus that 490,000 chip order might possibly have taken place in February or March instead of late April.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Malawi on April 22, 2013, 02:30:27 AM
Does anyone find this suspicious that the video is uploaded on saturday? If I were to do a "unboxing", I would be doing it on the day I got it. Also, I find it very strange that BFL is sending this without an announcement. It leads me to believe that BFL specifically selected him to the "unboxing".

edit: fedex does indeed ship on Saturday.

He clearly states in the video that he was specifically selected for early/special shipment.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Andrey on April 22, 2013, 08:34:24 AM
Maybe its irrelevant, but I wonder what holds the unit from falling off its "origami" socket if box is turned upside down? There is about inch of space above the unit seen during unpackaging.
Looks quite different from the packaging I've seen before. Looks like a part of packaging is missing.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Malawi on April 22, 2013, 08:57:41 AM
Maybe its irrelevant, but I wonder what holds the unit from falling off its "origami" socket if box is turned upside down? There is about inch of space above the unit seen during unpackaging.
Looks quite different from the packaging I've seen before. Looks like a part of packaging is missing.

Now that you mention it - I also thought it was funny that there was no more protection on top. I don't think the unit will come loose, but it could be crushed by other parcels/handling etc.

I think the unit would be a lot safer if it was inside a cardboard "frame" that were in turn placed in a slightly larger hole in that origami-part.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: marra on April 22, 2013, 01:08:56 PM
We still didn't see inside of the product case and a thermal imaging, it should be fair to display.  ???


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Malawi on April 22, 2013, 01:12:09 PM
We still didn't see inside of the product case and a thermal imaging, it should be fair to display.  ???

Yeah, my problem would have been that I have so many thermal cameras that I can hardly find any of my regular ones.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: chiropteran on April 22, 2013, 06:38:43 PM

You see guys this is all a grand scheme lol

It's a common saying.  What are you, 5?


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: chipd on April 22, 2013, 08:44:45 PM

You see guys this is all a grand scheme lol

It's a common saying.  What are you, 5?

BFL took that saying and made it to a literary one.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: nathanrees19 on April 23, 2013, 01:57:18 AM
EDIT:
I don't know if this "Codinginmysleep" guy did place one of the very first pre-orders nearly a year ago, but shipping usually starts with the orders being filled in the same order they were originally placed. Thus I'm not yet changing my signature about BFL's shipping problems.

Your sig is not "about BFL's shipping problems". It says outright that it's a scam and that no ASICs have been shipped, and yet at least one ASIC has been shipped.

As expected, you and the other anti-BFL are shifting the goalposts to make sure BFL is still in the wrong.


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: k9quaint on April 23, 2013, 03:19:21 AM
EDIT:
I don't know if this "Codinginmysleep" guy did place one of the very first pre-orders nearly a year ago, but shipping usually starts with the orders being filled in the same order they were originally placed. Thus I'm not yet changing my signature about BFL's shipping problems.

Your sig is not "about BFL's shipping problems". It says outright that it's a scam and that no ASICs have been shipped, and yet at least one ASIC has been shipped.

As expected, you and the other anti-BFL are shifting the goalposts to make sure BFL is still in the wrong.

Nodoby in this thread has to move the goalposts. BFL already missed 12 field goals.
There are 490,000 Avalon fans rushing the field.
http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/57093/57093,1144210646,1/stock-photo-students-at-a-college-game-tearing-down-the-goalposts-1165380.jpg
I am sure they have things in hand.  :o


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on April 23, 2013, 04:08:19 AM
Looks like they moved the goalpost to their trophy room.

https://i.imgur.com/R1GvV38.jpg

Meanwhile, BFL is accepting applications:

http://www.funny-games.biz/images/pictures/608-butterfly-couple.jpg


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Bitsaurus on April 23, 2013, 06:23:44 AM
Looks like they moved the goalpost to their trophy room.

https://i.imgur.com/R1GvV38.jpg

Meanwhile, BFL is accepting applications:

http://www.funny-games.biz/images/pictures/608-butterfly-couple.jpg


Thanks for that 2nd pic.  Now I can't eat or sleep.  :-\


Title: Re: Butterfly Labs Jalapeno Unboxing
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on August 03, 2013, 04:20:57 AM
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I guess no one seems to wonder how a company can issue refunds of thousands of dollars of pre-order merchandise and Paypal never balks at it?

See, Yajaira D Guevara, this is why you're so pathetic.  You make statements like this.  Who says we issue refunds of thousands of dollars?  Your warped little mind?  We get very little refund requests in the grand scheme of things.  I know you desperately want it to be true that people are asking for refunds in droves, but it's simply not the case.  This is why I know a large majority of the whiny brats that cry about BFL still maintain their pre-orders.  Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you had a stealth order yourself, just like Frizz, but until there's evidence of that, I'll give you props for being one of the few trolls who actually doesn't have a pre-order.

You just go on advocating fraud there, Yajaira.  You are a real stand up guy!  Not only a liar, but a thief and fraudster as well, GG!


I've just realized that I'm not the only person Josh Zerlan has called a liar and thief and fraudster. If I recall, he's even stated such about a handful other bitcoiners.

This boy ain't right!